Ok here is the thing , what if valve/steam kept a giveaway contest in one of the big sales they do ? i am sure they would prohibit vac banned accounts from entering such a giveaway right ?
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You're making a mistake by assuming that everyone who got a VAC ban are cheaters by default. There are bunch of people who got VAC'd for graphically enhancing their HL1 just because Valve's anti-cheating software still can't tell a difference between DLL modifying what the game renders to make it prettier and a DLL modifying what the game renders to see through walls.
Hell, just few years ago you could get an easy VAC ban by downloading Cry of Fear mod (before it was on Steam) and they joining any HL1 Source Deathmatch server while you still had those files on your PC
The problem i see is people having way too much trust in VAC without knowing anything about it. Did everyone already forgot those faulthy VAC bans from MW2 few years ago? Or CS GO bans from just three months ago?
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Cry of Fear: http://www.cry-of-fear.com/forum/index.php?topic=2105.0
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=30052594&postcount=21
This: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=29410878&postcount=8
And his profile http://steamcommunity.com/id/live2bcool/
NOT FUCKING VAC BANNED!
Stop your god fuckin' damned lies.
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Using profanity does not make your response any more valid than it already is, it just makes you look immature and childish. Those links you provided are actually solid proof that i was wrong and missinformed about Cry of Fear but it does not solve the whole case of VAC being unreliable and faulthy in the past. So feel free to correct me about the other stuff i mentioned as well (if you can, that is)
But aside from that, would you say that everyone with VAC bans are definitely cheaters?
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"would you say that everyone with VAC bans are definitely cheaters?"
No.
There are probably bunch of people that let others to use their personal computers, the guests cheat on that PC, and get the account being borrowed VAC banned. In this case, the host is not a cheater, the guests are. HOWEVER, it doesn't mean the host is free of guilt. His account is his responsibility, so eventhough he's not a cheater, he deserves that VAC ban.
Or people who use public netcafe, play VAC secured games on it and don't realize the machines have been compromised with cheats. These people aren't guilty (directly) as well, but they deserve the VAC ban for their ignorance.
These are examples.
" it does not solve the whole case of VAC being unreliable and faulthy in the past. So feel free to correct me about the other stuff i mentioned as well"
No program is 100% bug free. Our Windows, our Microsoft office, Linux etc. Even your android. Or for recent examples... Heartbleed issue.
Every single thing is unreliable. Us humans are also unreliable.
That, however, doesn't mean we need to stop using unreliable stuffs. That's why people in charge work to patch and rectify the issues.
VAC being a human-made software also has its own flaws. Those two mistakes you quoted for example. But what did Valve do? They reversed the bans and issued an apology, as far as awarding free Left4Dead for the mistakes. Source: http://kotaku.com/5597038/valve-bans-modern-warfare-players-by-mistake-apologizes-with-free-left-4-dead-2
A system in place is better than no system at all, especially when dealing with huge player base like this. I'd take VAC system anyday anytime than other parties claiming VAC being unreliable (but they themselves have no solutions to replace VAC).
Now as for my tone in previous post... I am irritated by people spouting false information (in this case, it was you), whether deliberately or because they don't know, that's all.
Then again, other than addressing your post, I didn't really offend you as personal. But yes, could've been phrased better (or didn't use profanity at all). Sorry for that.
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I doubt he will cheat (or ever play) Zero Gear. Doing public giveaways always gives you a good chance that someone you don't like wins, no matter which reason. If you don't want cheaters to win go for private and get yourself a special rule.
In general I don't see the point why cheating in a MP game should damn you on a site that is about game gifting.
Also..... THE FUTURE
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Nothing you can do, sadly. One of the people that won one of my giveaways had 400+ games in their account and 0 hours played in the last 2 weeks. I tried to re-roll and the mods didn't let me.
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I sometimes have 0 hours...its called life getting in the way of play sadly...I would not worry about it, he probably appreciates it and thats what matters most, thats what this sites about, at least I think so.
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Could you explain in more detail why you asked for a re-roll? Why do you believe that someone who hasn't played games on Steam in a fortnight doesn't deserve the prize when they win a giveaway?
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What about people who got VAC bans because they were hijacked and the hijacker used cheats on their account? Valve never removes a VAC ban under any circumstances, right?
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Eh, if people cannot keep their accounts secure, they should not be entering giveaways anyway. It's really their own fault for getting hijacked.
In most cases, the reason people get hijacked is because they went to some stupid website/game server for cheats/hacks/"free" steam wallet credits/etc. Honestly, those types of people shouldn't be allowed to use a computer at all, let alone Steam. Especially not the types that get hijacked multiple times.
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Most cases maybe.
But it would still be unfair to those who got hacked without these methods.
VAC operates under the "Security Through Obscurity" model.
Nobody knows how it works other than Valve.
Allowing VAC bans to be reverted undermines the system and opens it to abuse.
In the early days of VAC it was pure garbage, The hackers coding the hacks were way smarter than the Valve guys working on VAC.
As a result of this there were numerous occasions where the VAC guys weren't smart enough to detect the hooking methods of a hack and as a result targeted other avenues of evidence to detect if particular hacks were running.
Ridiculous methods such as detecting files with certain names or checking if certain processes were running while the game was.
(People were at one point, in the early days of VAC, Banned for running Winamp while playing on a server as the latest "OGC" hack featured a WinAmp Remote, Valve couldn't detect the new Kernel hooking method the hack was using so they went after users running WinAmp while playing on "Secure" servers. Completely overlooking the fact that WinAmp was the most popular music player at the time and the majority of users would own a multimedia keyboard for controlling it.)
This led to a lot of people being incorrectly VAC banned but Valve would never discuss or ever revert a ban.
In general these false positives were a very small percentage of the Steam user-base and considered acceptable losses for Valve.
People here need to stop bitching.
Its a public community and people decide to giveaway games to strangers.
That is completely up to them.
Imposing all these limits is just silly.
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What's silly is imposing limits on what reasonable filters a person can OPTIONALLY enable.
But you're right, "people here need to stop bitching". Stop bitching about people making requests for valid filters, that is. Just because the option would exist, it wouldn't mean everyone would be forced to use it.
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I find it odd that people who are so against the reroll-on-VACban option all seem to have used the "minimum CV value" option on their own giveaways.
If they're really so against exclusion that you're arguing against an OPTIONAL reroll on VACban, why are they excluding people based on this other, far less harmful criteria? Especially when the added reroll option would be OPTIONAL, still allowing banned people to apply for giveaways that are willing to accomodate them.
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In theory, the CV system is rewarding those who have earned it by giving to the community. In practice, CV is a screwed up system and that's part of why I don't make official giveaways anymore, and my last two were 0.01 giveaways anyway, which merely marks the difference between people who gave anything away and people who didn't.
Discriminating on CV is easier to justify, however, as anyone who wants to achieve more CV can do so by donating more games. Someone who is VAC banned has no way to remove that ban, regardless of the contributions they may have made to the community which would offset any negative impact (if any) caused by the actions that led to the ban.
If there ever was a 'reroll if winner is vac banned' option, though, I would probably excuse it as long as there was also a 'reroll if winner is non-vac banned' option. :)
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Hello,
on my first giveaway it happened, what I feared... I had to give a game to a known cheater with multiple VAC Bans.
I am known for being a cheater hater, I don't care about people that insult me because of it. Well, so I would love have an OFFICIAL option to disallow entrences for any VAC Banned users.
I do NOT want to support cheaters with free games especially not multiplayer games.
That I exactly hit such a player on my very first giveaway really struck me.
Would like to hear other opinions about that.
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