Do you support their Always-Online DRM
Learn with ambidot, fams.
Guess its better now, m8.
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Fuckin' Squeenix. I guess they won't be getting my business on steam, either.
I don't understand why some people are just... OKAY with always-online drm. If a game does not NEED to connect to the internet to play, like TF2 or something, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO PLAY IT WITHOUT THE INTERNET.
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I've heard the sheeple who just support it, and foolishly think it helps stop piracy, this is just not true, but I understand those who just love the games so much they are willing to put up with it.
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+9001 >_<
When you have to torrent working copies of games you've bought, it's depressing, and you'd think grounds for sales fraud or something, right? :P
Or at the very least, grounds for players to stop supporting Ubisoft :P trashy companies..
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I think TF2 is playable offline as is all other Valve games, not sure about DOTA2 though. You just don't get your items all the time... So Valve doesn't care even for their multiplayer games ;D
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Not if you play it on LAN. Which if self can technically be offline.
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you can play dota2 bots offline, did it out of boredom when I had no internet, dont judge me :D
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at least the bot community is like 10000% better than humans. :3
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Bots are so nice, they never complain after dying countless times. :3
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I've got the feeling now that any statement you make that doesn't include a gif is invalid.
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EMBARGO THAT SHIT, refund, report violation, or dont even buy it until its changed
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As soon as I need this I'll have to find other ways of acquiring said games
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Always on DRM supports piracy... you get a better game experience once the hackers figure out how to turn it off and make the game work how it's supposed to. Just the dumbest business practice that's come to the gaming industry, just slightly dumber than those fucking codes they used to put in console games.
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That's true. I don't want to play FF XIII LR since it always has always online DRM attached. Though if it and FF VI does have it then someone's already cracked it which is more then can be said about Diablo 3 (A game I really hope they one day decide to remove the always online DRM aspect of it.)
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The Squenix/Ubisoft always-online could be cracked because the games didn't actually rely on the servers for fundamental game logic. Diablo 3 does. That game requires full server emulation to be 'cracked'. That won't happen any time soon, unless they do technomagic with the PS4 version.
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Honestly, it's not that big of a deal for me. And, I play their games regularly.
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Think in a wider view. Imagine all the people around the world can;t play the game because of it. Imagine Companies will start always online DRM again. Imagine unable to play all your games wherever there is no internet. Imagine the money waste they spent buying the games unable to play it.
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That's why there's a refund process. If they can't play it this way through Steam, then find some other place to buy/play it legally. Or don't play it at all.
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the only problem that there is no way to play the game legally. and its better to voice it out before its too late because people who enjoy the game and want to play it but unable to do so.
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You've supported the topic by saying that XD If someone can't play your game because you have a bad policy like always on DRM, you're company is failing.
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i also think its amazing and its made because publishers want to make their customers happy. Nothing screams "happy customer" more than being unable to play a game you bought, while the guy who pirated it has no problems whatsoever.
always online drm for single player games is pure gold, and its about the time players finally realize it was made because of us. Because publishers love us <3
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Like Simcity, it was a blast waiting hours to play the game. XD
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hell yes, we need more Simcitys :P Or something better, even. Something along the lines... you have to be online, and relog every 30 mins so server can check your serial number, and your connection too. That would apply to offline games too, obviously.
If publishers would come up with something similar, im sure pirates wouldnt stand a chance and everyone would be buying legit copies instead !!!
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Hell yeah
Honestly really sad about simcity, loved the old ones, and they fucked it up so bad... they gave me Dead Space 3 for the trouble though lol
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Thank you for posting this, I will avoid their games this winter sale. I was originally thinking about picking up some Final Fantasy titles, but not if they incorporate always-on DRM.
Edit: is this verified though, or is it more speculative at this point?
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why do they need to be online all the time, if they don't use servers to store info like diablo or any other mmo...
they are so afraid people would pirate their games?
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but im more likely to pirate it because of $#/# like that :o so it doesnt really work all that well :P
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same here, I won't support this kind of practices, that's why I didn't buy Final Fight HD on PS3, and stopped buying Capcom games for many years.
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But but when it comes to PC port, Capcom games are always smooth run that a baked potato rig can run it :O
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Rule with your wallet, just don't buy it.
I spent my child and teenage years downloading games instead of buying them because I was broke and took a while transitioning my stuff to 100% legit like I am now (Even my windows is legit which is an achievement).
But if they fail to provide a quality product on the terms I am willing to purchase under, I can always go back or just not get it.
When the pirate bay provides better access to a superior version of the software than it's own publisher, I think it is time for them to rethink their approach.
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Can someone explain why these DRMs in steam are bad? I've seen complaints about this stuff but don't really understand why
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my ip resets every 12hours, because that's how things work with my isp. it's sometimes also unstable so i get disconnected randomly.
i mostly avoid multiplayer because of that, and now with these always-online drm i also have issues with singleplayer.
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Speaking of LR:FF13 specifically: If your internet goes down you can't play. If it drops out while you're playing you won't be able to save the game until it comes back up. Sounds like FF6 is the same way based on the OP.
As someone who lives just barely outside of a small town and has two choices for an ISP (both of them bad as they both go down/drop out frequently) this is a terrible practice for Square to adopt.
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Oh man, I was expecting to buy Rise of the Tomb Raider when its released (if rumours are true) in January. Now I won't if they don't discard this cr@p, always online DRM? it sucks mayor ass, Steam DRM is fine and no one complains about it, just leave it like that.
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Rise of the tomb raider will have microtransactions and be a full priced game... not really sure if I can personally support a full priced game having microtransactions...
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i play these kind of solo games specially when i have internet issue or have to use my internet to download (not having a great connection) it fucked up some success, but i don't care much as long as i can play the game... those kind of drm though, will reduce my "offline" play time by some great game that will fall a bit on the backlog T.T
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You'd think they'd have learned from the unmitigated disaster that was SimCity.
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Just commenting to say those who assume people that don't care are all sheep/fanboys, there are some of us that just always have an internet connection and thus no reason to care.
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Same here, never cared about DRM because I'm always online anyway. Plus why not play a game I've loved for 2 years already?
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You would care when the drm makes the game run worse, which is basically the case for every single drm ever made - the games run slower, be it barely noticeable or make the game unplayable - denuvo is really bad one at that, game will load slower and have worse perfomance.
In case of steam being the drm, you get benefits of achievements, cloud system, in-game chat, cards, etc so it has some point, while additional layers like denuvo make the legal copy inferior to the pirated one, thats the whole problem. Also not being able to keep your saves locally sucks big time, if their servers happen to have a hiccup or they decide to move them/close them you are pretty much screwed. GFWL games that didnt get it patched out you basically have to crack to play them, which has very high chance to happen to those games in couple of years as well.
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I did it. I got someone to register just to reply to my comment. I'm a hero.
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Same here. I have no feeling either way about always-online DRM and don't care for the rants about it. If you want to play the game, deal with the DRM. I guess I'd be upset if I had dial-up or something (do people still have dial-up??) -- but in that case I suppose I wouldn't be able to download the game in the first place.
This is the age of "always connected" - phones, tablets, Bluray players, laptops, etc. Hell, even my television remote connects to the internet to update. ;)
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You may live in an area of the world that is "always connected" but there are many other places in the world that are not "always connected" or are very slow in their connection.
I don't think those people should just have to "deal with the DRM." It doesn't quite make sense when they don't even need the DRM in the first place.
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In that case, I'd recommend speaking with your wallet rather than posting it on a forums that is going to have little or no effect on anything.
As I've said, I don't care either way. It's a video game (one of thousands) -- an extraneous form of entertainment -- I can live with or without it. If a company does something of which I don't approve, I don't purchase from them and take my business elsewhere. It's that simple. I have zero vested interest and find it utterly pointless to rant on about it here when there are far better ways to "speak out", if I so desire. If it were actually something important to me (i.e. child abuse, world hunger, the wars overseas, etc), I would have a much stronger opinion about it.
On another note -- Kudos for not resorting to insults, condescension, and transparent passive aggressiveness (like someone else posting here) to get your point across. It's always much easier to have a discussion with someone who responds maturely. :)
EDIT: I haven't purchased the game and probably will not. That's how I show disapproval of something (though in my case, it's disapproval of something other than the DRM).
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I feel like the reason its on the forums isn't in protest, but to warn people because the store page does not adequately inform people.
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I agree with that statement. It most definitely is a warning. I was never disputing the validity in that.
However, have you read some of the comments by some people? Some are downright caustic, immature and insulting simply because someone else doesn't agree with them or place as much weight on their concerns as they do. Those comments are most certainly protests, and not in any way that could be conceived as "productive." ;)
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rojimboo was a well known Troll and Thread Derail and he just got his 3rd Forum Ban.
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Yeah it took me a LOT of editing to make the Thread as a warning and not a Protest. Its also created to gain the attention of SE:PR to see what they are doing and they need to fix it. He is a Pro-DRM and take a look. https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/7/537402115077753480
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The thread is very informative and useful--I certainly won't be picking up Just Cause 3 now I know it has denuvo--but don't let these guys make you think there's anything wrong with also having a protest element to this just because they don't care. This is a shitty practice and needs to be called out constantly and we need to boycott games that do it, of course.
Boycotts are useless without the accompanying protest.
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I find your mindset similar to those people who find world famine unimportant because they don't suffer it.
At least you are honest about your feelings and I appreciate that.
Maybe people with similar mindset as yours simply lack a complete development of the anterior insular cortex of their brain or can also be due to low activity in that area, thus showing reduced empathic capabilities. The reasons for this are unknown.
Sociocultural factors are not discarded as well.
I don't blame you, since I don't know you. I just get a bit sad and discouraged in situations like these. But this isn't an ideal world and we have to deal with it.
Ergo Proxy rocks btw.
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Trust me, no one knows the pain of 'always online' more than myself. Up until last year, I was living off a 3mb connection, inconsistent latency, unpredictable daily disconnects. At the same time I was also one of the highest ranked Diablo 3 Hardcore players (i.e. dying = you lose everything). This was beyond a nightmare with my atrocious internet and Diablo being always online, but I knew what I was getting in to, so to say I didn't suffer from it couldn't be further from the truth.
The fact is, when it comes to a corporation like Blizzard, there's no winning. Every day there are rants about opening D3 or SC2 to LAN. SC2 being such a massively competitive game suffered enormously even during world final tournaments where players were disconnecting and Blizzard still wouldn't do anything, yet every single day there were pointless rant threads about how they aren't achieving anything because people can just pirate the game anyway.
So, pirate the game? Prove to them that they're wrong. Put a dent in their sales figures, money gets their attention, not forum posts. If you don't agree with their methods, just don't support their ways and grab a torrent. I really do appreciate that 'always online' is a joke, but as Tzaar above has said, there's no escaping it. That's just slowly becoming the norm and needs to be adapted to.
Of course I would love Squenix to prove me wrong, but like my original post suggests, I wouldn't notice if they did. The problem still exists on the larger scale, and it's only going to get worse no matter how vocal people are. Adopt, adapt, improve.
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Why does the general population has to adopt, adapt and improve while the companies dictate how, when, where and what to adopt and adapt? Why can't we, as their source of income, can't do the same with them?
One of my best friends, is studying history at the college. I remember some months ago he told me that, every almost big change in our civilization, started with an opinion, an idea. And those were voiced by people. And we can't stop doing that. Imagine if we stop voicing our complaints and needs. Maybe we would still live in monarchies, with feudalism, vassalage and slavery. I love Medieval age, but I am not so sure if I would enjoy living like that.
I understand what you say though, one thing is voicing your opinion at some internet forum, and the other thing is voicing your opinion in front of Square Enix HQ.
I can only imagine the local news saying: A group of young people a making a walkout in order to complain about Square Enix recent policies!
Even I would laugh a bit if I ever see that.
The always online DRM implemented in a videogame discussion belongs to the digital world, primarily, in my opinion, so it kinda makes sense to be vocal here, not at Steamgifts specifically of course, but the internet as a whole.
You are right, nothing moves mountains inside companies like money. Money is the first thing they think about, and maybe, sometimes, they think about what their customers want.
Tzaar said there is no escape. The nonexistence of something doesn't proofs that, that something won't exists in the future.
I am not rejecting change, but I want that change to be inclusive rather than exclusive and imposed only by the companies.
A lot of blablabla, I know. We have different ideologies and I respect you.
Cheers!
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The companies dictate it because we allow them to. If you remember when SimCity came out with its always-online with the server down for like an entire week, EA was subsequently voted as the worst company in the entire world. This satirical statement was written by someone to basically summarize the actual statement EA released which sums up the point I'm making.
What EA did was ridiculous and completely ruined the game for a lot of people, but at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. The option to pirate the game was still there and there has never been a greater opportunity to avail of it to boycott them for their screw up.
SimCity was literally the best example of a complete fuck up with a company dictating how we play the game, and yet we, as their source of income, still stuffed their back pockets with money, and that's why the population has to adapt. They think they're speaking for themselves, but their money is still doing all the talking, and that's all the corporations are listening to.
Anyway, I'm going to leave it at that because it's getting late. Not sure how I ended up getting in to a debate about it, but as long as it's clear that I don't in any way support the direction we're going in, I'm just pointing out that whether we like it or not, it's a one-way street.
Nice chatting.
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Does it actually have DRM or is it the optional cloud saving thing from other FF Steam games like FFVII?
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As far as I understand Lightning Returns (and apparently FFVI) have mandatory cloud saving; they won't launch without an internet connection, even if Steam is in offline mode. If your internet goes down while the game is running the game will continue running but you won't be able to save until the connection comes back up.
The previous FF games still work the same way they did before.
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The video that Davo and I recorded shows that the game can't run when Steam Cloud is Off and If your Steam client is Offline.
Steam Online - Cloud Online - Runs
Steam Online - Cloud Offline - Warning and Can't Run
Steam Offline - Cloud Online/Offline - Game Doesn't Run, Task Manager Shows Nothing, Nothing at All.
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Don't blame the companies... blame the hordes of completely unneccesary and otherwise useless lawyers who need some reason to keep being paid.
"Oh, piracy? - thats easy, we implement our own form of drm and ensure those who haven't legally bought our game can't play it!"
*Que piracy on release day
"SEE WHAT WE MEAN?! - GUESS THOSE NERDS DOWN IN THE BASEMENT DIDN'T ADD ENOUGH DRM! SACK THEM, PAY US MORE! WE'LL GET RID OF THOSE PIRATES FOR SURE!"
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I do not like FF series and this is just another reason not even try it,i will never buy anything that has always online or cloud save only that is not a massive online game of the sorts.
Though i am sure a lot will not care because they have really good internet while i do not have so great so i guess if this is true i will not be buying any Square games until i verify how they save.
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This crap just will force pirates and / or modders to make some offline support patches. Nothing else, not a single effectivness as protection, but pain in ass for regular players.
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It's as they say DRM does nothing but harm the people who buy it legally.
I've rarely encountered a game where a pirated copy or a ROM was worse than the actual legal release, but no matter what there becomes a work around for it like Devil Survivor 2, Fossil Fighter's Champion, Game Dev Tycoon, Skullgirls, Serious Sam 2, Etc. . .
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he very directly did NOT disregard the fact that one can simply not buy the game, the publisher will think it has low sales due to being a bad game, not due to DRM, how is a publisher supposed to know WHY sales are low?
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Uhm… feedback? In the age of social media where now apparently the vast majority of the internet is people constantly bitching about something? (And porn. But porn always was there and always will be there.)
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look closer, i am also implying feedback, it was rhetoric
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I think it is a big deal. A huge deal. Because the server that you need to access in order to play the game that you bought isn't going to be around forever. And when it is taken down, your game is gone. I don't like games with unnecessary expiration dates.
I still play and enjoy games that I bought in the 1980s. I expect to be able to play the games I buy today for the rest of my life. I want them to always be available. I want the game industry to care about the future and to think about the cultural and artistic heritage that is being created without a care for the wonderful games we have vanishing forever. So much of early film and television is gone forever because the companies who created them didn't care about preserving them, and now the game industry is making the same mistake.
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Let me correct you there. You never bought any game in your life. You always bought a license to use a copy of the game. It has always been this way, it will always be this way. Only some software in the public domain is free of any copyright.
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I've never been an FF guy myself, but Square Enix has earned my respect from games like Nosgoth, which is perhaps one of the only games I know out there that is Free to play, not pay to win, and doesn't require a grind to have fun. Of course it is the type of game that NEEDS internet, so it is excusable, while a game like FF should not require it. But I still have trouble condemning them as a whole because while that single decision is a terrible one, but they still have produced some quality work in their time. But they probably have a few different sections of their company responsible for certain games and decisions, so I think that being wary of them could be wise, but boycotting is extreme.
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Whoever voted yes supporting always online DRM, they are a cancer for the game industry.
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Bob Ross would say: You are a happy little tumor.
I wasn't serious btw. The problem is that not every country has the infrastructure to support 24/7 internet connection. I am not saying you are going to play 24/7 but its not funny to wait to have an internet connection only to play your damn singleplayer game.Fortunately, I don't live in one of those countries, internet is not a problem here, but, this is unfair for so many people that I cannot support it.
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they just don't care. this "my game, my rules" is everywhere...
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One day a famous crack team will be back, like Razor 1911, and all those shitty dev will notice the value of non - DRM games. Instead of spent the time for such feature as "always online 24/24", "DLC everywhere everytine", they will focus to the quality of their games. Look at The Witcher 3 and see how successful that game be.
Sorry for my bad English !!!
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Sure some DRM is stupid ... but I don't really see it as a valid reason to ignore a great game.
stares at everyone that passed up Valiant Hearts because of uPlay
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Uplay is a huge hassle with terrible service, so I feel its a perfect reason to avoid it if it prevents enjoying your purchase anyway.
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Once you get it working though it usually doesn't put up much of a fuss (at least for me, though I did have to contact support once as they removed my access to some of my games for whatever reason).
Also there's much bigger hassles to put up with when trying to play a game than DRM.
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Valiant Hearts is a beautiful game, I haven't finished it yet because it kinda depresses me knowing that all the awful stuff depicted in it happened in reality, I wish it was just fiction.
The whole uplay deal is not that bad, the only annoying thing is when you get an achievement and you see like three messages on screen saying the exact same thing.
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omg omg omg omg omg omg...... -_- they don't even know i live in the dang city with soo expensive and slow internet
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As of 24th December, Square Enix officially patch Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII for the Offline Environment Mode!!
http://steamcommunity.com/games/345350/announcements/detail/72420586378760402
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December 18th for Final Fantasy VI
http://steamcommunity.com/gid/103582791440617364/announcements/detail/69042341792055139
We have won!! Square Enix has heard the outcry of the Community and has patch both games for Offline Environment!! I would like to say thank you everyone, Have a Merry Wonderful Christmas and a Happy New Year!!!
Old Title: Beware of Square Enix Games on Steam
It has seem Square Enix has decided to follow the Always-Online DRM that they have implanted that will not allow you to play Offline as the game is strongly using the Steam Cloud Save feature or some other mechanism feature. There is also no Local Save as it will hide and auto-upload itself into Cloud.
Created a Very strong topic in Lightning Return Final Fantasy XIII to see if they will reply or make any news to defend their practice but it seems they are ignoring it by insulting their Customers with false information, misleading and lying.
Both Final Fantasy VI and Lighting Returns will not allow Offline play and Off Cloud Save.
Just Cause 3 has the Denuvo DRM but the bad kind of the DRM.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/345350/discussions/0/487876568228905295/
Also share your thoughts about this.
And if you would like to help, please share this news around as this should not be allowed as it punishes the Customers who paid for the product only to be punish for not allowing to play whenever and wherever they want while encouraging the use of "Cracks".
Update: Square Enix is now officially really Misinforming their Legit paid Buyers of FF VI. The game requires Always-Online Connection to start but never informs them about it.
Update: Final Fantasy VI now has a News Patch for Offline Play. Sadly Lightning Returns has no news.
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