I use mine as a display device for Steam and VLC, and my DSL box is unplugged. No more ads, no more bullshit (except the one I choose to watch by myself !) :-)
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well - what I meant is that I don't have any TV signal ;) no cable tv nor antena connected - because I don't even have cable TV or antena - but it still serves well for watching movies, plugging on console or as streaming machine for steam - but as it is it's serving more as a big PC/console screen than as a TV itself ;p
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+1
I kind of wish I was still living in the 90's. When there was no internet I wouldn't read about and see so much of human stupidity. I have a feeling nowadays the access to it is way bigger and broader.
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Recently i've encountered a gamer guy which doesn't know what is bundle nor "Humble Bundle".
When i send him a Terraria gift link from HB, he asked about if it is safe or not.
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Not everyone knows about the bundle, nor about Steamgifts. Some people think that Steam is their only source for getting games.
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+1. Fact that I want to buy new TV and I know that it is in store next to my house don't force me to search "is this TV cheaper in shop about which existence I don't know".
So they just buy it because they don't know other sources. They aren't stupid.
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Yes they are,anyone who can use their brain will do some research before buying to save money.
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Are you telling me that you did a research for every game you bought/got?
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But to do your research, you need to know which alternatives exists. And I'm not going to spend a lot of time doing research on something very cheap. If I was going to spend 100€+, sure, I'll spend time researching it, if I'm going to spend 10€, I'll just have a quick look around.
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5 sec to google 5th from the top. Takes a lot of time I guess :>
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UI? As in User Interface? Because Enhanced Steam is on the Steam website and is a simple click or two to activate. All it does is take the exact same layout that Steam has and adds on details like if it is on sale cheaper some where, historical low, and if it was ever in a bundle. Then also lets you know if you own the game (in green) or if it is on your wishlist (in blue) and lots of little things like that. There is nothing to it. So saying you don't like the UI means you don't like the Steam UI either....
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Yes, as in User Interface.
In the screenshot above, Steam Enhancer adds a new box for you to buy the on-going bundle, also why the heck is the time remaining in a different format than what Steam uses... Call me picky if you want, but I don't like it - now before you say I haven't tried it, I have and there were too many colours for my taste.
Oh and before I forget:
1/ lets you know if you own the game (in green): default Steam does that... and, whoa, your brain too! <sarcasm>Because it's soooo hard to remember what games you own</sarcasm>
2/ lets you know if it is on your wishlist (in blue): you guessed it... Steam does that too!
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And since you did forget:
[1] Some people have bought so many games through bundles and sales, they have collections where they do not remember EVERY single game, especially if it has been a while since they bought or played it. I have close to 300 games in mine and some the smaller indie games I got in bundles; I sometimes forget I have certain ones if it has been a while since I got it or have yet to play it. So it is nice to just click a new tab, pull up the Steam website when researching games within a bundle and see green (or not) as I type it into the search bar. There are many people on SG that I have seen with libraries with over 1000 games (some of them very prominent members here on SG, so you can easily go click and see for yourself). I seriously doubt they remember the name of EVERY SINGLE game they own. You have almost 350 games in your library. From the way you talk, I take it then that you can sit here right now, without looking at your library and name off every single one of them? I highly doubt that you could. People also have more important things on their minds, than the name of every single game in their collections.
[2]Same idea applies with the wishlist as the library. I have seen some people here on SG with hundreds of games, and even a handful with over 1000 games in the wishlists. So if someone has hundreds of games on their wishlist as well as in their library, those helpful little add-ons that ES does are GREAT. Can you also name off the over 700 games on your wishlist?
I use the website more than the Steam client. I only have the client logged on so that my installed games are up-to-date, and so that I am logged on to game with my bf. Otherwise, it is not actually actively open most the time and just runs in the background for those reasons. I prefer the convenience of Enhanced Steam and the website when it comes to buying and researching games, esp since I already have Chrome open for regular browsing and other programs open and running as well. With the client running in the background, that is one less program to flip through as I multitask. If you have tried ES, then you also know you can change colors and de/activate any of the options you want or don't want (at least in the Chrome version of it). Last I checked, the client doesn't tell me what bundles a game is currently in (or if it was ever) or where I can find it cheapest or highlight a game in search to tell me if I own it or it is on my wishlist. ES also adds links on profiles for the person's SG, steamtrades, Rep, and other steam related pages for those who like to have that (say, maybe folks who trade a lot or trying to see if the person that just added them is legit, shady, or bot).
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Sorry but I think you misunderstood me OR my explanation was very poor:
[1] I meant that if you see a game title, you'll immediately know that you own it. For example, if you type 'bad r' in the search field and Steam returns 'Bad Rats', you should know whether you own it. If not, well, that means you probably have too much games and/or you don't care one bit about their quality but just about the number shown on your profile.
You're right in a sense though. I am not able to name every single game I own (and since we have a somewhat similar number of games, I assume you too).
[2] The same applies for the games in your wishlist. If I see a game title, I'm able to tell you if it's in my wishlist or not. Even though if I have 700+ games in it.
But... I can't name every single one of them.
So, my point is still standing in my opinion.
I also use the web version waaaay more often than the client. I only use the latter one to play games. Otherwise I use Chrome (not because it's one less program running - I always leave it open, it's just more convenient) because it is waaaay faster than the client version. Also you can have multiple tabs opened at the same time, useful for comparing games, you cannot do that in the client as far as I know.
Anyway, let's not argue about the usefulness of Enhanced Steam because in the end it's just a matter of opinion. ;)
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Enhanced Steam actually gets it's prices and most its info from IsThereAnyDeal.com and if you are using the Steam website, is just a simple click or two, to activate.
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Not that strange considering most of the people on Steam dont know about humblebundle.
A lot of my friends have no knowledge whatsoever about where to get their games. They think Steam is the only source to get Steam games.
I'm educating them but its a slow process.
They think I'm a game freak as well (which is true I guess) and cant understand how my library got so big without spending a zillion euros.
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they do not - bestseller counts store purchases weather they go towards your library or your inventory as giftable copies, not activations (also the bundle was live for almost 2 weeks, and AOE Bundle wasn't anywhere near top 30 (usually I don't look deeper) and skyrocketed to top1 the moment it got -75% ;p
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Okay, ta. Then we're pretty much stuck with ignorance as the only explanation.
This said, there's no denying that having AOE - of all things - at the top of the bestseller list is actually a good thing. Regardless of where all those people got the game from.
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I'm not trying to troll anymore...i swear!
I care because you seem like an intelligent person and i was just curious why does it bother you to see people being stupid?
I actually enjoy observing them because that gives me a superiority feeling so it's kind of cool :)
Except for when you're surrounded by them(family meetings, old friends and relatives etc). No matter how much you're trying to explain something, they'll still think their version is better and will actually start to laugh at you at some point or change the subject.
It just happened to me actually a few days ago, after meeting my sister's brother in law at a party and at some point he started calling me stupid for not shaving my beard :| He didn't finish 8th grade btw.
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Well, your two latest responses to my comments, both from latest 24 hours, were aiming clearly towards confrontation, so sorry if I don't believe in renowed good nice-guy Gabzilla.
But if you really want to know - I'm intrested in it, because I'm generally intrested not only in gaming but in gaming business in general. I'm intrested in game development, gaming journalist, gaming marketting, new trends etc. From time to time I do write colums on the matter - and I do believe that to talk about something you must have a little more in-depth view on the matter compared to your statistical fan. To give you another example - some people may like to watch football/soccer. Some of them may even enjoy watching it with their friends. Some may even be a big fans of one particular team - but these facts alone won't make any of these people suitable to be for example sports journalist. While there will also be other people - who will be excited or intrested not only in particular match of team A vs team B. They will follow how good particular players are at the moment, who they beloved club gonna aqquire next and a ot of other specialistic stuff I'm not awae of as I hate football/soccer ;p some of these people are sports journalists, some are connected to professional sport in other ways, and some are just idk - Football Manager players or something. But the point is that their intrested in the matter in more details than your average sports fan, and ssame some people will just be intrested in games in smaller or bigger details. Some will only want to play, some will discuss games with their friends, some will join bigger internet gaming communities, some will be intrested in detailed gaming journalists, some will make their own content myself and so on and on.
If you're not intrested in not strictly related to gaming itself content, noone forces you to take part in discussion, but it doesn't mean that there are no people who aren't intrested for example in discussions regarding gaming marketing and trends in it ;)
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Oh...now i get it.
I am not an expert but even though i appreciate your writing skills and all, the title is very poorly chosen and it might feel like you're actually mad at somebody, instead of just observing in an objective manner the behavior of Steam customers.
And i understand and respect the thing you're aiming for...it's that step that makes you superior than a normal gamer.
I told you that you're a smart guy...
P.S. Those 2 replies that i sent you in the last 24 hours...it's not my intention to attack you or something. I'm just trying to be friendly. And friends tease each other now and then :)
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I will tell you a story. Once upon a time, there was just another forum with topic leading to e-shop with "random steam key only for 2€" I was telling to the audience (since it's not strictly gaming related site) that most likely it will be junk key from both bundles or promo action. One guy bought it anyway, claiming he got game that costs 15€ on steam (with like 65 metacritic) and it's worth buying. I looked up for him that it's in current bundle with another 4 games for 2,49€ so he could have known what he's buying and get a little bit more for another 50c. His reply was unexpected. Rather than "oh, there is site with such offers? cool thanks"... He said(kind of rude way) he don't care about bundles, he don't want any other games and he is happy with one random shitty key for 2€.
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I myself am one of those people who don't give a monkey's about going to different stores, comparing prices, and so on. If I see a thing I like being sold at a price I consider fair, I'll buy it. If someone points out to me later on that I can generally find similar things sold for less than that in some other store, well, thank you, I'll remember to shop there in the future, but I don't regret my purchase.
So, this person's buyer's remorse and bitterness aside, this is a healthy approach. But I don't think it's all that popular to explain the sudden rise of AOE to the top of the list.
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well - this kind of reaction can be a defensive mechanism - someone told me something and now I feel like a fool -> I don't like feeling like a fool -> I will convince myself any ways necessary that my point of view is superior to feel better with myself.
Ofc anyone, me included sometime overpaid for something. But normal person will just learn their lesson so he will not make same mistake in future. Ignorant will deny everything just because he must be always right.
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It's actually a common theory in psychology called cognitive dissonance. It basically says that when someone comes across something that contradicts or in some way questions their beliefs, they'll feel "uncomfortable" (to put it simply) and seek a way to fix that, be it actually changing their mind or changing the situation in their mind so that their belief makes sense to them. Usually it's the latter option. In a really stupid fashion.
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Let me tell you an example. Here in Hungary, a game in real life costs about 60-80€, while you can buy all games online, for about 15-30€. And people are still buying those overprized shits, because nobody knows about online shopping, or doesn't own a credit card. But that's how the shop makes profit. From idiots. It's a common rumor that Hungary is 20 years behind the US and the UK. Sadly, it's true...
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On the matter of credit cards: are we in Portugal the only ones who have an easily accessible virtual credit card generator that can be activated via ATM (if you have a debit card, that is)?
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Nothink like this in Poland. Only virtual/physic prepaid credit cards avaiable in PL are being offered by 2 big banks and for both of them you must 1. be adult 2. have an account in this bank or create one in order to get such a card. So while many countries have these easily accessible it's not so uncommon to find even adults without CC (heck I got my 1st CC this very year, and I'm 27 employed since I was 21).
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Yeah, that kind of sucks. Here, that service is not attached to any bank in particular, but to the ATM service (or Multibanco, as it is called here), so it is really only a matter of heading down to one (you have to have a bank account, of course), activating it, receiving a username and creating a virtual credit card at home, even if you do not own a credit card. It's really rather handy.
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Look at it this way: not everyone knows Humble Bundle exists lol. And not everyone hunts around the internet for a better deal when they spot a deal on Steam. They can get it through a trusted familiar service like Steam without any hassle. It's only $15, so people will think less before spending.
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Not many people take research. It's simple as that. Or maybe, they just don't trust other sites like GMG,GG or Humblebundle.. etc..
Everybody here at my place thinks I'm ultra rich because I have steam account worth almost 3k€. While in reality it I've spent like 200€ max on it.
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I'm pretty sure that to make a donation or not is purely my decision, not yours. In this case, why would i want to pay 1 buck more for games i DONT NEED?
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And you're the one making this decisions, not me. As detailed it OP the reason for this topic is a discussion, not forcing Knukkohead into doing anything he does not feel like. And as in discussion anyone may post their point of view. You not liking my point of view doesn't necessary equals me forcing it on you. I can only give you counter-arguments and I do so. Like this one: These 9 games are worth actually much more than this 1$. If you were for example about to trade them off you'd get this AOE bundle which is the only thing you're looking for even cheaper than it is in Steam Store. Heck - probably you would even got the difference just by selling off cards from all these games meaning you get 9 more great games in your library for free - and as mentioned before, if you don't need these games in your library even if they gonna pay for themselves - you could trade them for something else you'd want (and considering they are 6$+ BTA this something you'd trade for would be worth more than this 1$ difference).
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You need an argument which would explain why i would buy it via steam rather then humblebundle, it is quite simple really, i don't use any of those payment methods, so i don't see hows that a great deal, most of my games were added through CD key that i had on my actual CD, others were bought with steam wallet and i never actually added any money on it, most funds come from selling stuff i get in CS:GO on steam market, and trading cards that i get from lots of games that are "giveaway'd".
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Or they don't have / can't use VISA and have to rely on Prepaid card to buy game?
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not everyone knows about humble bundles.
not everyone has a credit card to buy the humble bundle.
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Happens all the time, Alan Wake Bundle was a best seller shortly after Alan Wake HB I recall.
I remember last year or something, Deadlight was on sale on amazon, was 5 dollars and you got 2 other games as well or some shit.
At the same time the amazon deal was going, it was 7.50 just for that game and it was the 4th best seller.
I guess people don't really look for games outside of steam, or maybe don't trust them.
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Two cents:
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well - the lack of big new releases seems like a valid point, thank you for pointing it out - this one I did not consider :> Indeed we're in a middle of dead-season for game releases so it can be much easier to raise to top of Bestselling. But still it will require considerably bigger purchases compared to all other items - and again, as long as I believe wallet purchases surely have impact - I see no reason why % of wallet purchases for AOE would be significantly bigger than for other items sold this day - so it should affect them all accordingly.
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Yup, it would require more purchases than others, but when something is on sale, it gets exposure - so people with Steam Wallets will see "ho, something where I can lose money".
In the end, when talking about Steam Bestsellers we can't really talk about it because we don't have one crucial data - how big it is. Maybe we're talking about 10 copies sold, but because nothing else sells it's on first place. It has already fallen to 20th - I can't imagine there's so many people buying Civilization 5 without sale that would beat AoE. Unless we're talking about some really small numbers...
And that's all assuming Valve doesn't cheat with bestseller list - seeing how they are the only ones who see all numbers, nobody can't guarantee they don't fix it...
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That's a fair point about Valve fixing the numbers - e.g. The numbers during that summer sale competition thing were very similar, even for reddit.
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Some people have amounts of money that make them simply not care about spending a bit more here and there just to save the time and hassle that all the research might take I'm guessing. Some are just lazy and can easily pay more not to do anything else than just look on Steam.
And some people don't know about bundles at all and it's not weird, ignorant or stupid in my opinion. Think about it - do you buy everything you own on the cheapest possible price? That music CD, e-book reader, scissors or a stack paper might've been way cheaper. But hey you just buy one occasionally so it doesn't matter much if you overpay ;)
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stupid - nope, I already adressed it. Stupid are others I mentioned - the one whose brain shuts down when they see any green discount ;) But ignorant - yes. That;s the definition of being ignorant - you stick to one thing and ignore others - you're ignorant ;)
Also I won't always go for lowest price possible, but I will usually make a research for everything and valuate based on that. I will not go for lowest price from an unknows shop that have no or obviously fake reviews only, I will no travel a lot for physical item to save few pennies, I will rather pay a little more for faster package delivery than pay 1$ less and have item delivered in 7-14 days, but igf I have 2 trustworthy sources with comparable delivery time - ofc I will choose better one ;p Plus here we're not discussing 1$ difference, but rather much bigger difference taking all games value into account.
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As to being ignorant I can agree to a definition where you assume that Steam is the only and best place to buy games without looking around first. An attitude that doesn't seem ignorant to me is when you assume there MIGHT be better deals around, there MIGHT be better shops out there but it isn't worth either your time or research to look for them since you are for example doing it rarely or your income is high enough you don't really care about how much you may overpay.
Just saying someone is ignorant because he sticks to using one thing/service instead of researching/trying others is a bit too far in my opinion. For example if I like a pizza place because of their service, I don't mind paying their prices since I can afford them and it's really tasty for me - does it make me an ignorant if I don't try the other places?
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They ignore the even possibility of existence of any other place to buy same product for same platform - hence they're being ignorant about it :>
The pizza example is not best imo, because like you yourself "it's very tasty for me" while in cheaper pizzeria it will be least tasty, other pizzeria may take more time to drive to and so on and on. Counter-example would be - there are 2 pizzerias of the same franchise you love in your town. Both are in similar distance from your house and getting to both of them take similar amount of time. Both have same pizzas made according same secret recipe and they are both equally delicious. You and your friends decide to go to pizza-party. One of the pizzerias have a big promo for whatever reason (let's say they're open for 10th year) - all pizzas are 20% off, if you buy one your friend will buy his for 50% off, you all get free soda and sauces. In other pizzeria you have no promo, you all pay full price for yourr pizzas, soda, sauces and get no additional discounts/freebies. Which of the pizzerias you go to? :>
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Well yes but all the discounted games aren't in the same vicinity or even 'franchise' as Steam - for most of Steam users it's in places of the web they were never even around of.
All I mean is saying that someone is ignorant because he only sticks to one thing and ignore others is okay to say if you assume that person ignores the other things without even acknowledging their existence.
You're saying that the two different sources, which one from the service might be discounted are both trustworthy and have the same delivery time etc. But I don't think that's the case here - even if you look around and read you can't make sure they are really trustworthy, you won't know what the delivery time will be until the product arrives each time. There's simply not enough time in a day to research and get into everything.
I think it's ok to let go of some things and to pay more because you decide it's not worth your time to research. Trying different services might not always pay off, if you can easily afford your current service, it's good for you etc etc then skipping others and just keep using this one thing while ignoring other sources while you KNOW there might be better stores out there but it simply is not worth it to look into then that doesn't make you ignorant imo.
But that's just my opinion ;)
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OffTopic: You bastard changed your avatar! I didn't realize it was you! ;p
Topic: Ofc, different people different opinions ;) In my opinion - sure, researching everything would take so much time it's not worth it, but if anyone searched this title on google - 1st non-steam shop he would find would be Humble Bundle - and seriously researching if something as popular as HB is trustworthy is not so hard - it's thre most popular bundle site ever, having massive articles about on Wikipedia, articles in trustworthy professional press and so on and on. I get it that researching site "hereyoucanbuycheapgames.freehosting.jp" may be tricky, but we're talking about freaking HB here ;p
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Haha, I kind of felt I took you by surprise here. You know I buy games mostly as cheap as possible but I sometimes can't deny myself the pleasure of starting a debate on the other side of the barricade as someone I know even though I do pretty much the same thing.
I do think we found some common ground here though and I surely found another view on this so I do think it was worth our time to pick up the talk - as I will always tell people it's worth their while to read a bit about bundles and gift trading ^^ Spread the word!
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Your example is a bit far too removed from the debate. I agree with ViciousCrow more on this - In your example, you already know that both pizza places have exactly the same pizza and distance, but this won't be true in reality. Never underestimate the power of laziness and sticking with what you know.
For the average Steam user, we have the following sequence:
Buying from Steam: find game, add to cart, enter payment details, done.
Humble Bundle: find out about Humble, research if it's a trustable website, create Humble account, link Steam account, try to figure out what the heck BTA means, try to figure out what the various slider bars mean, possibly enter captcha, have limited payment options, go to profile and link game to account.
For people who have been in the bundle scene for years, buying bundles is a cakewalk, but for a lot of people, it's a lot of work for marginal gain. As ViciousCrow says, Steam is like a pizza store that you know and trust, but Humble is the unknown. Some people just don't want to take the time to get to know the unknown.
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fair enough - as a bundle veteran I simply don't find it much harder than buying something at Steam (even more - HB never lost my money - Steam did twice - and we all know how hard is to get anything from Steam Support) and setting up bundle account for first time indeed can be problematic.
But still why does everyone state opinion that it is like it is, deal with it. If your friends are not aware of other soaurces of games but steam - educate them. Mention HB, other bundles or store in your gaming discussions. If I see a really good bundle or some crazy sale for great game I will share it on FB, because why not? I love steam and all, but monopoly is never a good thing - more diversity means even better deals for us as customers - so I really don't understand many people in this topic (not actually you and Crow ;p) defending steam purchases in that matter.
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I don't know about other people, but I'm not defending Steam purchases. I'm just giving my response the discussion topics you have in the OP:
"Are people really so ignorant not to bother to do even smallest research before biying? Are they so easily manipulated that all it takes to get sales is to put a nice green -XX% box before the price and they will buy it without second thought? "
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Summarized:
1) Some people have tons of steam wallet from selling cards and whatnot.
2) Regional price variations.
3) Some people don't or can't use paypal. Steam offers more payment options.
4) Some people don't trust Humble Bundle and other sites.
5) A lot of people don't actually know about Humble Bundle.
6) Ease of use: some people don't want to spend the time to make a Humble Bundle account and link Steam account
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yes, but as many people pointed out that "people may even not be aware of HB existence" - even less people are aware of Russian traders I bet. I even mentioned the price difference in OP 2nd paragraph, but I don't believe than russian trading alone would be enough reason for item to skyrocket to top of bestseller list.
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Well - it's partially a discussion topic, partially a PSA.
So I log onto steam today and what do I see at top of Bestseller list? Age of Empires Legacy Bundle. For 12,74€ / 13.74$. Don't get me wrong - I love AoE games and I believe that anyone even mildly intrested in strategy games should own them, but the point is that the same bundle is avaiable on Humble Bundle right now in top tier which costs 15$. And for these 15$ you will get not only get this bundle buty also 9 other excellent games worth much much more than this 1,26$ difference.
So what do you think? How the hell game from currently running bundle at top of Steam Bestseller? Are people really so ignorant not to bother to do even smallest research before biying? Are they so easily manipulated that all it takes to get sales is to put a nice green -XX% box before the price and they will buy it without second thought? Or are just Russian traders (the bundle costs only 4.36€ in Russia) capable of buying enough copies for trading purposes to boost a title to the very top of Steam Bestselling list?
Discuss! ;p
(And if you're considering buying this bundle for yourself FFS get it on Humble - donate to charity and get 9 excellent games as a bonus ;p)
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