HEY GUYS VIDEO GAMES ARE BETTER THAN SOME OTHER VIDEO GAMES
You're all mongs.
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if you like a game built around an (real money)-AH then take diablo 3. if you want a normal hack&slay then choose torchlight: you have a singleplayer, no limits at gathering loot and so on. the adjuston to D3s AH changed a lot of aspects to make sure the AH won't be overloaded with cheated items or asia-style playing loots.
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This is a dumb complaint. Diablo 3 isn't built around the RMAH, the RMAH is just a tool to cut down on third party sites, while giving Blizzard some love. (D2Items.com anybody?)
Which isn't to say Diablo 3 is great. It was better at launch than it is now. They are 'balancing' shit by making spells that people are using useless, and not worth having on your bar. Inferno wasn't balanced at launch, and they're fumbling its re-balance super hard. Right now Ghom in Act 3 is basically impossible for ranged characters to kill unless you are over-geared and have no reason to kill him in the first place.
There are a LOT of legitimate complaints to be made about D3 right now, but the RMAH and GAH aren't really part of them.
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I understand your point of view, but Diablo 3 is absolutely built around the RMAH. They eliminated all possibility of doing Diablo "runs" to try to pick up gear. Why? So that you have to go to the AH to get better stuff. You don't even get guaranteed yellows when you beat Diablo for the FIRST time on NM or Hell. It's kind of obscene, really.
That said, the game itself is okay. It turns into kite-fest 2012 as you progress to the harder difficulties, which for me isn't as fun, but I've gotten easily 40+ hours of enjoyable gaming out of it, so I'm not mad.
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I've been really dissappointed with D3. I've only been to act 3 hell with a lvl 58 Witch Doctor. Part of my problem is that nothing you do feels unique. i think that's because there is no Skill tree. I absolutely LOVE zombie bears. they are amazing. but everybody and their mothers who feel like spending a decent amount of time on the game will have them. no matter what.
I'm gonna buy Torchlight 2 and probably spend two or three times the amount of time play it than i did D3.
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the person you're replying to didn't mention the real money auction house. however, if you would like to say that the game wasn't balanced around the auction house aspect of it, that would be a lie -- blizzard themselves have stated that it in fact was balanced around the auction house. and the RMAH is certainly an element OF the auction house now.
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People are "abandoning" Diablo 3 probably because they're getting tired of playing it. Just like any other game. Besides, let's make comparisons when Torchlight 2 is actually released.
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May 15, 2012 Diablo III, Release date
Just over a month now, and user numbers seems to have been dropping for a while.
I can't speak for everyone, but I and the people I know played Diablo II pretty consistently for the first 6 months before getting 'tired' of playing it. And from that point, I'd get back into the game every few months or so, either to play with friends, start a new ladder or eventually play a mod like Eastern Sun for Diablo II.
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The devs actually admitted that they failed with the end-game experience. They promised to fix that with upcoming patches, especially when 1.1 comes out with PvP. It became an AH game with some monster slaying instead of an epic bloodbath like everyone expected. Although numbers are going down, it cannot crumble to a complete fail when there's RMAH. I keep farming, even though I find no joy in it. Pity story...
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You can pay to win or you can GET paid from this, actually. The first time any big company is allowing players to gain MONEY from actually playing their games. TF2 and DOTA2 trading is similar, but it takes luck rather than skill to get good items, and this is the instant disqualification for me.
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The comparison there is that you have to pay $60 to play diablo and then you need to earn $60 ingame before you actually net income, vs f2p games listed... You have to make anything to net money. On top of that, you don't even have to give the company a share, most def not something so high as 15%.
That's my view on it.
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If you are talented and design an item the community likes and pays for valve puts it on their store and gives you a cut of the profits from everyone who buys it if i recall correctly.
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Diablo III's RMAH says "hi".
Given that when the price of 1million gold dropped below $4 from the goldfarmers, Blizzard "coincidentally" announcing that they're jacking up repair costs isn't much of a surprise to me.
Once they finish fixing up the features promised from before the beta (buying gold from the auction house), they'll be making even more money off people, since they get a cut of everything sold for money.
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I have completed the game in all 4 difficulties in normal, and normal + nightmare on hardcore without buying a single item from the RMAH.
Other than the base game there is nothing to "win". Another reason why the game is not pay to win.
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You say it like being mainstream matters, if the game is good i dont give a damn if it's mainstream or not.
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I have no idea what are you talking about. Many people were waiting for Diablo 2 when it was announced.
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It's so expensive.... Torchlight 2 is like 1/3 of the price.
If it can deliver half of what Diablo 3 can, it's already a winner to me.
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If you asked me at any time in the past 7 or 8 years what games would I want to have release right then Diablo 3 would always have been in the top 3. Then I played it in the beta and just didn't like the direction they went with streamlining it. I played every class a bit and just felt like I wouldn't have "a" character, but my characters would be "all characters" of that class anytime I wanted. I tried to do some actual testing, bug reports, and feedback but it went ignored, as it was (largely) for everyone on their forum. They always have the response of "we think the game should be played this way", and that is their choice but I don't want someone telling me how I "have to" enjoy their game. I want to play it the way I choose. No skill points, no real "off spec" classes anymore if you want to progress well, items just being used MMO style to earn gold to buy other items (which devalues the loot driven gameplay itself, for me), it turned loot hunting into gold farming.
I wouldn't have believed last year that the game would have come out and I would be happy that I didn't buy it. After seeing the "beta" and how Blizzard handled it like a demo, the major systems that were ripped out and dumbed down, and the complete focus on the AH and RMAH to upgrade your character I am 100% happy I skipped it. That doesn't even add in the inability to use mods, the always on garbage, launch issues, and all the other customer service issues.
Torchlight was a good game but lacked in a few big areas (for me). The lack of multiplayer was rough as was the fact that it was, in essence, just going through similar levels down in one of two dungeons with very little variance in gameplay. Those two main issues look to have been addressed exceedingly well in the sequel. I played a ton of the T2 beta in each class and really wanted to keep testing and playing after they took it down. They actually used the beta test properly too, which was nice to see the developers actually use the fans' ideas and feedback positively. For $20 (rather than the $60 of D3) and also getting me a copy of the original to give away it was a no brainer. Add in the ability to play offline, have mods, LAN, etc and it becomes even more of a preference.
The only thing that sucks about the choice I made is I have to wait until late July/early August to play Torchlight 2, but I am filling my time with other games and messing around in Path of Exile for my ARPG fix.
Hell, you could buy a 4 pack of T2 and have one for yourself then hook 3 friends up with a chance at playing and still have 4 copies of the original to gift around. Or you could buy 1 copy of Diablo 3, which apparently wasn't compelling enough to buy up to this point for you.
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Agreed. Interesting perspective and testimonial. Thanks for sharing.
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Personally I always favoured the rockers. Harley/Vespa, Tomayto/Tomarto...
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Blizzard treating their costumer like crap. The only think they care about is milking people for money.
Overall Diablo 3 isnt bad game, but Real Money Auction House and Constant LAGS even in single player(yes you got lags in singe player)
Ruined the game for me. It seems drop system and difficulty of inferno is made to make user USE RMAH and waste more money.
So Torchlight 2 big time!
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Lucky... Lowest latency I've ever gotten was 130ms, with my average around 200ms or more. I'm constantly 'rubberbanding', where you move to a spot, slide back to your original position and then re-walk to the new spot, and frequently find myself going through the attack animations with no damage being delt.
AFAIK, there are only a few servers for Diablo III for all of the Americas, and I'm apparently not that close to any of them. You're possibly closer to one of their servers, which is why you don't have any lag.
@viperziv: The entire game is online only, so even singleplayer games are online.
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Really weird tbh. Are you sure the problem isn't in your internet connection? Shared or just low speed? I know it is unnerving to be dependent on your internet that much, which is the main reason why people hate upon the online DRM, I guess I would understand if I had to change my provider just to play Diablo for example.
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Diablo 3 all the way, ignore the hate it happens with every premium realease... Diablo 3 isn't perfect but it is the grandfather of dungeon grinding and imo still can kick ass at making it enjoyable and difficult. Mind you torchlight isnt out yet but I don't like the art style and could never get into 1
Having to constantly connect to blizz servers has its flaws I admit... but it's a security feature... it makes pirating basically inobtainable... and duping impossible...
RMAH... hate it or love it is dabatable... personally I couldnt go either way... but DIABLO 3 ISN'T BUY 2 WIN... I'm on inferno act 3 with 2 out of my 4 chars and I havnt spent a penny... what makes it buy 2 win in the eyes of the casuals is you cant put the game on farm in a few days.. your going to get the drops you need with patience... if you wanna have a fast forward ticket by all means buy my shit... but this is NOT BUY TO WIN... u just have no patience...
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Diablo 3 isn't perfect but it is the grandfather of dungeon grinding
So we should rate it high because the series WAS good before?
Having to constantly connect to blizz servers has its flaws I admit... but it's a security feature... it makes [...] duping impossible...
Riiiight... because no one duped in Diablo II on Battle.net.
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Well with the recent nerf to chest drops, it's almost mandatory to use the Auction House to buy gear now.
Before the 1.03 update, I was finding gear that was an upgrade to my current equips (although it was roughly 5 levels below my character level). But now I haven't found one piece of equipment that was an upgrade in any sense, even with +80ish Magic Find.
I'm not talking about ideal stat armor or whatever, just average stat gear that is an upgrade to what I've been using the past 5 or so levels.
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I cannot say anything about Torchlight 2, and still haven't played T1, as i'm playing Diablo3.
Diablo 3 is definetly something of a slow start, the real "fun" begins at the last two stages of difficulty, where you can start selling stuff for like 2M a piece, gear yourself up and keep on going, and since the stats rely a lot more on gear than D2 or 1, it kinda forces you to be constantly selling and buying stuff on the Auction House. 60 ish hours on the barbarian and around 20 on the Demon Hunter (counting the beta) and liking it so far.
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Torchlight II is the obvious choice, I'm a Diablo 2 veteran and I don't even consider D3 a piece of the series, it has strayed too far from the original concept, there will never be a true Diablo 3.
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Lol, I actually enjoyed that game for what it is. I'm not letting the 12 years devcycle skyrocket my expectation. Sure it started out slow, but it was fun as hell afterwards. And frankly, nobody is bashing Half-Life 2 because of it"s puzzles and driving and platforming, yet people are so hard on DNF because of the same.
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So which do u guys think would be better?
I am asking cuz i am thinking about buying diablo 3 and playing both would be sucks..
(seems like many people are abandoning Diablo 3 )
anyways , i would like to hear ur opinion ? =]
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