Fez is a great game... but I dont understand why is there so much hate on the creator of the game

JoeyBeanz (10 months ago)

It's because his name sounds stupid.

oh...

Pedro1996

(10 months ago)

He has glasses.

Wheatley5981

(10 months ago)

And beard.

Nonos

(10 months ago)

Certainly not in that photo. lol

Dooleh

(10 months ago)

He looks like Kyle's retarded cousin from South Park.

PE99

(10 months ago)

^

Blommas

(10 months ago)

KillrClown (10 months ago)

The Internet hates everything. There doesn't have to be a reason.

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TheGannet

(10 months ago)

+1 internetz

Rallygou

(10 months ago)

But there has to be an extremely good explanation why someone likes something, and still that person is considered an "idiot" because they like it..? Makes perfect sense.

VortexRising

(10 months ago)

Crazyfrog

(10 months ago)

ladynadiad (10 months ago)

Because he's a douchenozzle.

+1 for the word 'douchenozzle'

wbarton

(10 months ago)

+1 for "douchenozzle". Love the Internet. I learn new words all the time.

chairmankao

(10 months ago)

WHERE'S NOZZLE WHEN WE NEED HIM?

beep23

(10 months ago)

Douchedick sounds better..

VortexRising

(10 months ago)

no it doesn't douchenozzle sounds better

TheGannet

(10 months ago*)

isnt it a good thing to be a douchenozzle? at least he gets to clean sum pipes,

if you know what i mean

humankillerz

(10 months ago)

So does a clyster...

Ardal

(10 months ago)

Lorkhan (Support) (10 months ago)

It's best if we don't give this topic any more attention. Yes, Fez is good, but that doesn't say anything about the person.

4evra (10 months ago)

Maybe because of delays on FEZ?
Its been a while now,but if i remember corectly from Indie Game the Movie,FEZ was due to release about 2009,2010?
And then it just kept getting postponed?

nope.

Nicktim

(10 months ago)

whats wrong with delaying games? I mean he wanted to polish the game to the limit and he did it...

Pedro1996

(10 months ago)

6you7me (10 months ago)

He's overdramatic as hell. Did you see his reaction at the hotel in Indie Game: The Movie?

He's a douchebag.

He said he would commit suicide over Fez if it didn't do well.

Would you want to be friends with someone like that?

not a valid answer to me... sorry

Pedro1996

(10 months ago)

Then, what would be a valid answer for you?

punkelias

(10 months ago)

why do we hate this guy?

because he is a douche? is that a valid explication?

Pedro1996

(10 months ago)

for this guy, it is. :D

Enzime

(10 months ago)

yes, why not? People hate each other for the stupidest things

punkelias

(10 months ago)

That's an extremely valid answer. I don't know what more to say. I covered that he's rude, I covered that he's a douchebag, I covered that he's a huge drama queen

6you7me

(10 months ago)

Sounds like you're just another troll. Stop making stupid threads.

UATheMilkman

(10 months ago)

Personally I think the more important was what he said about his ex-business partner. It was just rude.

Angrenbor

(10 months ago)

Yeah, that's what I meant when I mentioned the hotel scene

6you7me

(10 months ago)

Oh, I don't recall correctly and thought he told about suicide in that hotel too :).
Anyways, in that movie he seems to be very selfish and megalomaniac person (and from what I can read in this thread, also in a real life) and in my opinion that's the reason.

Angrenbor

(10 months ago)

"He said he would commit suicide over Fez if it didn't do well."

I would hope you're just misquoting stuff you've seen other people write. If you did actually watch this yourself then I'm not sure what to say as that is very far from what he said.

Peroxide

(10 months ago)

This. Before you go on a hating rampage, at least make sure your reasons have something to do with reality.

(Interviewer) 'What happens if you can’t finish the game?'

(Fish) 'I will kill myself. '

Svipur

(10 months ago)

Wheatley5981 (10 months ago*)

Why do people hate Gabe Logan Newell?

Edit: Phil's name is hilarious

His middle name is logan? That means he's Wolvereen!

JooJooFace

(10 months ago)

Yeah, but I love Wolverine

Wheatley5981

(10 months ago)

i thought just the same thing :P

Nicktim

(10 months ago)

But everybody loves Gabe. He is charming. And handsome.

Chiasm

(10 months ago)

imadous (10 months ago)

he's douchebag behavior

taytothief (10 months ago)

He said something bad about PCs or PC gamers I think. Bad man. He's a bad man. :(

He said that PCs were for spreadsheets to justify not porting Fez to PC, but then he apparently changed his mind and Fez is as of a month or two ago. I think he's a good guy though; like geez, who cares if he didn't want to go through the long effort of porting his game?

oxguy3

(10 months ago)

Mindestens (10 months ago)

Leave Phil Fish alone*!

*whoever the hell he is.

My penis thinks the same

nosef

(10 months ago)

DillonMabry (10 months ago)

Because people are stupid whiny bitches.

Are you whining about people being stupid whiny bitches?

taytothief

(10 months ago)

+1

Pedro1996

(10 months ago)

Nope, just stating a fact to answer OP's question.

DillonMabry

(10 months ago)

Except that you were.

Valzi

(10 months ago)

can't it be both? (picture it said by that little mexican girl)

TheGannet

(10 months ago*)

Well, in that case, you'd be whining about me whining about stupid whiny bitches.

Nobody wins.

DillonMabry

(10 months ago)

You're confused about what whining is. Whining is "a feeble, peevish complaint" or "To complain or protest in a childish fashion." That doesn't describe "Except that you were," but it does describe "Because people are stupid whiny bitches." It describes it exactly.

Valzi

(10 months ago)

Ooooh, let's try to get nit-picky!

I'm not being childish, feeble, or peevish. I'm making a statement (feel free to consult your dictionary again) about the behavior of others, this thread having plenty of examples of said behavior.

DillonMabry

(10 months ago)

Hahahaha. A statement is a required part of whining. There's no contradiction. So silly to act as if a statement is somehow opposite to whining. Making a general statement about people being "stupid whiny bitches" is the exact essence of whining, which makes my claim on the opposite side of the spectrum from nitpicking.

Valzi

(10 months ago*)

Whining = Statement, statement =/= whining.

Also, we're most certainly getting nit-picky with words!

Stupid, "annoying or irritating; troublesome."

Whiny, "a feeble, peevish complaint."

Bitches, "a malicious, unpleasant, selfish person."

There's nothing childish about using words, as you're so anxious to fancy yourself a master of words. Unless of course, that would make us both childish... Going by your reasoning, it would definitely appear that we are both whining and being childish.

DillonMabry

(10 months ago*)

You're making several weird arguments for me, which I didn't make and wouldn't make. I'm not eager to argue with you about things we're not even disagreeing about, so I don't have much (at least not specifically) to say to your last post.

(A quick response to the smallest of these straw-man arguments: even though my degree says I'm a master of words, I would never claim to be that. I have a lot to learn. I do, however, have a strong enough understanding of the basics to discuss what we're discussing.)

Valzi

(10 months ago*)

The argument you made is that, "except you were (whining)" which is not a the case. I made a statement, which you go on to say is still whining. Granted, you need a statement to whine. So yes, whining is equal to a statement, but a statement is not equal to whining. You continue to press that my saying "stupid whiny bitches" is the exact essence of whining ("childish, feeble, or peevish").

So, we can assume you find usage of the words "stupid whiny bitches" to be "childish, feeble, or peevish" which is absolutely silly. This is most likely due to a knee-jerk reaction to "bad words" and some ill-placed sense of self-righteousness.

Therefore, my statement was just that, a statement. I was not whining. I was using words to form a sentence, a sentence to form a statement. Maybe you find my choice of words to be a problem, but your opinion on any given word doesn't affect the validity of my point.

DillonMabry

(10 months ago)

MrVerite (10 months ago*)

Two reasons for me:

-he stated that Fez would never be released on PC while it actually did later. This is great for PC players, but before, he kept on criticizing PC really badly for a long time, and actually release FEZ on computer for money, and not to please the player.

-then, there's the fact that he's such an a**. Like, when asked about the state of japanese games, he answered "Your games sucks". Some japaneses games sucks, but some are pretty good (just as some western games sucks while some others are good). You can't be more dumb than he is.

There are a multitude of other reason, but these two are enough for me the hate this guy.

I knew he said something. Thanks Verite

taytothief

(10 months ago)

Battle of the opinions!

"PCs are for spreadsheets and Japanese games are bad."

vs.

"I hate a man for saying that PCs are for spreadsheets and Japanese games are bad, which are the dumbest opinions I can imagine."

movac

(10 months ago)

Actually, I didn't complain about him CRITICIZING, but about him being so hypocritical. I don't hate him over the fact that he states he doesn't like PC and PC gamers. However, in the first hand he says he hate it and tell everyone he'll never release his game on it. Then on the second hand he releases his game on PC and clearly says "Hello guys, I still hate you and I don't care about you, but I want money. So buy my game. And those guys who will hack my game, well, fuck you" The japanese thing is just racism. I mean, how can you plainly tell "Japaneses games are bad" ? It's like saying "Hey, Americans are all stupid egoistic racists". It exists, but you can't make a generality out of some people, that's absolutely dumb. Japanese games may not be to your liking, some might objectively sucks, but you can't say that the japanese games in general sucks.

MrVerite

(10 months ago*)

the japanese thing was NOT racism. that was just the interwebs being tarded.

So he dislikes modern japanese games. Didn't say jack all about japan, products of japan, japanese culture or japanese people. At least read the sources before bashing a guy for 5th hand interpretations of what he said.

(this is like that adam livene thing(whatever name is, the rat tattoo guy from the voice who's in love with cowboy hat guy))


Try substituting any other type of game in there and see if you feel the same way.
Its like saying "english humor sucks"
you know the sort I mean. The sort of jokes that are referred to as English jokes are very distinctive.
Now England is white....still racist? Of course not, because it isn't a racist sentence to begin with. It says nothing about england, products of england or the people of england. It doesn't even say anything concrete about their jokes, only opinion(which as the norm on the internet uses the sentence structure of a fact and tends towards generalization and/or exaggeration).

tldr; It was a specific type of game he dismissed not the people who made it or their country.

TheGannet

(10 months ago*)

and? its not like pc users never shit on consoles. nobody generally hates them for it even when they turn out to also secretly own an xbox. what pcs can't take what they say back at them? and for his reasons changing his mind? money. at least he was honest.

Those "i still hate you but you're throwing money at me anyway so suck it" comments were reactions to being pestered about that quote so he decided to have fun with the trolls. Redit badgered him into that quote. He likes trolling people who hate him(and several who don't)


People hate him because he does things like this when he feels attacked. He just feeds them for fun. (which is kinda funny for a boycott. Its a good example of why those things never work, like the people who say they'll boycott a game for on disk dlc and preorder it anyway. gamers have poor impulse control but like to talk big on the internet so that always happens)

TheGannet

(10 months ago*)

So, I've checked it out. I've effectively taken out of context the quote (I've never really been concern with Phil Fish, I only remembered things I read in article or his twitter a long time ago) and calling it racism was a bit of an over-reaction. My bad about that. But it's still not right, it's still pretty rude, wrong and misplaced. You can't just go and tell someone you just met "the games you make are bad". And once more I'll say this, you can't say that ALL japaneses games are bad, that's stupid. He didn't say he doesn't like modern japanese games, he clearly affirmed modern japanese games sucks. If you ignore all the eroges, almost all of them are decent at least, and some are better in their genre than western games (Shoot'em'up, Fighting Games,...) or equivalent to western games (Beat'em'all, Puzzle games,...).

For the PC thing, I shall repeat myself once again: It's not about him criticizing the PC, it's about him saying he won't port the game while insulting us, then saying "it's okay, I'll release it, but for the money". It's not obviously a reason to hate him, but don't expect us to like you or spend money for you if you're insulting us. Even more so when your game is so mitigated between good and bad.

MrVerite

(10 months ago)

BlazinPhoenix666 (10 months ago)

My fish's name is Phil. I like watching him swim around in his little bowl. He's a good fish.

mrzone (10 months ago*)

1st real answer... ty

Pedro1996

(10 months ago)

and why should he allow you to make money off displaying his copyrighted work anyway? I never understood the entitlement to make ad revenue off lets plays.

TheGannet

(10 months ago)

Many other indie dev has no problem with it, as they are happy to get free advertisement: going loud studios

mrzone

(10 months ago)

and?

just because others don't mind doesn't mean you're actually producing anything worth getting paid for or that he doesn't have far more rights to any ad $ generated by your lp than you do.

they are at absolute best unlicensed derivative work based on a copyrighted item and fish was completely within its rights to do this. It should never have been possible to make $ off an lp in the first place. And imo they fall a good deal short of even getting that much credit. its just a recording of fish's work with a layer of commentary and pointless jabber to fill air.

sports commentators get permission and pay a fee for the right to broadcast games before they're allowed to make money off it. Movie commentary isn't allowed to be shown for profit any more than a copy of the movie is. ect.
fish isn't charging them. they just won't be getting any $ from youtube ads is all.
fish isn't stopping anybody from making videos, nor uploading videos, he's taking nothing down. he isn't going after anybody. you're completely free to do a lp. ...you just won't be seeing $ off basically an uncut recording of fish's IP is all. And its basically just lps they're going after.

TheGannet

(10 months ago*)

iLoveLamp (10 months ago)

I believe the reason is he has said bad things about both PC games and Japanese games in the lead up to Fez. As well there is a quote from him saying there wouldn't be a PC version of FEZ because it wasn't meant for PCs. Also he does seem like a douche on Indie Game the movie. Then again I thought most of the people in that movie came out looking like people I would never want to interact with in real life.

BearHugger (10 months ago)

I dont care about all of the PC's are for worksheets bullshit, I understand why some people see it that way.

My biggest issue with him is that he is rude. It's fine to speak your mind, but you dont have to go out of your way to offend people to get people talking about you. If your opinion is well thought out and makes sense, people will listen.

IgotElbows (10 months ago*)

PCs are for spreadsheets. Suck my dick. Choke on it.

Choke on all the dicks! All 37 of them :D

CthuluIsSpy

(10 months ago)

Peroxide (10 months ago)

People love bandwagons.

+

TheGannet

(10 months ago)

Well, I can call people supporting him jumping on the bandwagon as well. Everything is a bandwagon!

jatan11t

(10 months ago)

I would have already had replies screaming "straw man" if I had posted that.

Peroxide

(10 months ago)

The difference is that my post is not meant to be taken seriously :D

jatan11t

(10 months ago)

Demc87 (10 months ago)
Masoles (10 months ago)

i mean come on, in binding of isaac the character judas's fez is made after him. it's not about fez game, it's about his attitude.

CookieCrumbles72 (10 months ago*)

This article... Clicky
Oh! And read the comments!

Shidomurdok (10 months ago)

OLD MAN YELLS AT CLOUD

NebulaProphet (10 months ago)

now I also don't like him. And I won't buy his games.

999flame (10 months ago*)

Source 1

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Now fucking choke on it.

Bonus: Clicky

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Good Post

Killa24

(10 months ago)

Great post.

HillaryClinton

(10 months ago)

I was looking for some of those tweets, but was too lazy to spend that much time on the guy. Awesome post indeed.

Angel9RakouCobra

(10 months ago)

This should explain all the fucking hate this guy gets.

XxDemonSniperxX

(10 months ago)

Epic post. Saved me from doing the exact same thing so bonus points for that!

ageofarmageddon

(10 months ago)

Aww, I understand people hate japanese games, but that's a bit too... cruel o_O.

nosef

(10 months ago)

twistedmetalero (10 months ago)

because he becomes an attention whore to attrack people onto his game.

PsyKo (10 months ago)

Not exact words, but it will be close enough:

"Reporter: will you port Fez to PC?
Fish: why would Best-Game-In-The-World should be available for dumb f-ckers?"

kt (10 months ago)

It's not about us hating Phil Fish.

Phil Fish hates us.

Lowis (10 months ago)

He surely has a punchable face.

agreed

Chumly

(10 months ago)

Dooleh (10 months ago)

You'll understand why if you watch Indie Game: The Movie

Dreakon (10 months ago)

PF: "PC's aren't for games."

ports game to PC

He's already stated that it's purely for money that he's porting the game. Either way, I completely disagree with that stance of his. I play all of my PC games with a controller, laying on my couch. There's no difference between a PC and a console unless you use it differently yourself.

chuffhoncho

(10 months ago)

Agree, I did the same, I haven't use my PS3 since I upgraded my PC, bought a Xbox360 controller and plugged the computer to my TV. Best gaming decision ever! :D

ProfSebastian

(10 months ago)

Jayx (10 months ago)

Watch Indie Game: The Movie.

Watched it, don't hate him.

chuffhoncho

(10 months ago)

Watch it again

huskywing

(10 months ago)

that just made me hate you...
(for making me watch it twice)

TheGannet

(10 months ago*)

Angel9RakouCobra (10 months ago*)

Also this.

edit: And that spreadsheet remark is from his tweet saying "PCs are for spreadsheets" when asked about a PC port of Fez.

actually it made me laugh

robschia

(10 months ago)

TheGannet (10 months ago)

because they twisted some comment he made about a videogame genre he disliked into some kindof racism and decided to dogpile the guy for basically no reason

Mozendo (10 months ago)

Because apparently a different personality is a bad thing.
I like him.

Because apparently a bad personality is a bad thing.

:-P

HillaryClinton

(10 months ago)

I say he has a unique personality and speaks his mind, but I would call it bad.

Mozendo

(10 months ago)

So you agree with Hilary?

Valzi

(10 months ago)

Because being a douche and insulting all PC users and then selling them your crap few months later is a fucking solid reason to hate him. For all I care, he can crawl under the rock he came from. I wish I had a crowbar and half an hour with this guy.

bull21

(10 months ago*)

It was obvious he was joking with that. PC gamers shit one console gamers all the time, but when it's the other way around it's a shitfest.

Mozendo

(10 months ago)

Yeah. I'm laughing my arse off
P.S. Just to clarify, I do not hate him for offending PC's or PC users. I hate him because guy is a fucking douche, insults ME and then expects ME to buy HIS game with MY money. From where I come from, one of the more important things to succeed in anything is respect. If you do not respect me you cannot expect to get the support or anything from me.

bull21

(10 months ago*)

Toothless2603 (10 months ago)

I don't get the hate for him from indie game: the movie. I would be exactly the same if all that sh*t happened to me. The things he said on his twitter on the other hand...

I'm not going to hate on him though. That way I have more time to enjoy his game.

Tapewormz (10 months ago)

I don't hate him.

Raiden (Support) (10 months ago)

Personally, I enjoy watching him bash the internet now and then. Great to see a dev not taking it in the ass but instead giving it. Best not to keep that sort of behavior bottled up for so long and watch him crack during what could have been the release of the most epic work we could possibly see.

Yes, I consider all devs of such potential and would rather not see them wasted in the community. Recalling Battlefront 3 videos.

Winny (10 months ago)

because he's arrogant and also ignorant hypocritical troll...

TheChack (10 months ago)

I don't hate him, but I've heard he is a dick.

elfena (10 months ago)

His comments towards the cry babies make me laugh. I like him.