Hey guys, Sudden here with a couple of questions :)

What do you think about DayZ? Did you play it ? Do you think that's worth the money? (DayZ mod for ARMA II is free, but the expansion pack OA is not) Did you see the SS of the actual game?

Else:

WarZ? Ruthless copy of DayZ? Maybe DayZ copied them? Do you like the fact that you can buy weapon and gear before spawning?

DayZ mod for GTA Multiplayer? Played it ? I did, alpha is awesome. Server is almost always full (102 ply) : www.lt-mta.net :)

Cheers!

Sudden.

Added: Virtual Backpack show off !!

The backpack concept was made by: joeyslucky22 @ DayZ Forum

Click me = Try it out ! :)

Pictures:

Picture 1
Picture 2
Picture 3
Picture 4

More stuff about DayZ Standalone soon!

1 decade ago*

Comment has been collapsed.

Day Z > War Z, but I like originals. Day Z was really fun. I didn't play War Z yet, but was watching some streams and just looks basically like a ripoff. Which is whatever, but I didn't see any compelling reason to play it over Day Z. I will wait for the Day Z standalone, but thats me.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I follow your oppinion.

Would you play WarZ when I tell you it has a map double the size of Chernaus? :) 450 km2.

What do you think about hackers? The new DayZ SA will have an MMO based approach (the action is on the server alone)

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Deleted

This comment was deleted 5 years ago.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

What i have played DayZ and WarZ i'd say WarZ > DayZ

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

that means that you were one bad bad survivor in DayZ. DayZ is very hard, while WarZ is very easy xP

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

The War Z is in ALPHA, Youre comparing an alpha release with a pretty much fully-released mod.

The War Z will be an actual game when its done, While DayZ will still be that "Mod" type of game. A bit bugged, Bad-ish animations, FPS Lag (More than playing the normal, optimized game) & All those problems that come with MP mods :P

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Why would DayZ still be that mod type of game and what do you define a mod type of game? Please explain because you don't support it with valid arguments.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Don't go saying things before making sure you're telling the truth. Go check the facts. The two of them are in Alpha and DayZ will NOT be an almost fully-released mod. Actually, DayZ is still a mod with no standalone yet, while The War Z is the one which already is THE standalone. So in reality the one who should be more advanced is The War Z. So yes, you're wrong.
IMHO, they're making different approaches. DayZ is the hardcore one, needing to have the most realistic approach, just as it's original game, ArmA2. The War Z is more arcadeish. Neither is bad, if you ignore the huge possibility of The War Z being an rip-off. They're just both alpha games, really, each one still needing a lot of work to be called a game and not an experience.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

In DayZmod's Current state its easily 100x better then The WarZ that even in alpha is already full of hackers and the no decent anti-cheat means anyone who has a program like cheat engine is able to be OP. also WarZ alpha is much newer then Arma 2 so of course the animations are going to be better and theres less FPS lag in it then there is on WarZ. And Offically DayZ will never be a Fully Released Mod due to the fact it shall be standalone. If you have played DayZ before you would know that its like an Alpha of a game. And Playing WarZ is like playing a Zombie game with no challenge like Dead Island with godmode.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

BUT THEY CLAIM THEY WERE WORKED ON FOR 2 YEARS, SO DONT GIVE THAT EXCUSE.

Btw, DayZ is in alpha too.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

They started working in War Z begin this year, how do I know that? It's on there official site.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I tried to play it, but it was horrendously laggy for me

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

What version? I hope you joined the servers near you.

There are, unfortunately, alot of bugs, but hey, it's ALPHA :)

Thanks for commentings, appriciate your oppinion.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I don't remember the exact version, but it was maybe about late August when I last tried it. I did join servers near me (US), but also some Euro servers as I was trying to play with a friend from the UK. We were never able to get in a server that was good for both of us. ARMA II in general doesn't run very well on my computer, but Day-Z was decidedly worse frame rate and lag. I hope the standalone will be better optimized for those who want to play with their international friends or who don't have top-notch gaming PCs.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

It will be for sure. At least zombies. As I read, zombie model will have two actions see and follow (attack) or not see. Now it have all soldiers actions like reloading, tactics etc. It will end in much more zombies (which I personally hope for) or better performance.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

well i dont have a "top-notch gaming PC" but i easily run this game with over 300 FPS and im on a HP Dv7 laptop so if you have an avg desktop it should run this perfectly (this is going on the current avg spent of gaming rigs of 1.5k AUD should be cheaper in the UK ). and i play DayZ with my friends in Uk America and norway

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I play on a laptop - Dell XPS 15. It runs most games fine, but struggled with DayZ (also Trine 2). It also took us a long time to find a server we could both get into. And when I did get into one, my fps was quite bad even on the lowest graphics settings. Believe me I wish it did run better on my computer, cos I really wanted to play it with people.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Not really interested in buying the bug-ridden mess that is Arma 2, so yeah, I'm really looking forward to the release of the standalone.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Hooah to that :)

Cheers

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I agree, plus, it's not such a good game.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

You can't buy WEAPONS.. why are people so stupid.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

You can with the 30€ version.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

sure. Let's start the zombie apocalypse and buy weapons straight from NOTHING. Like drop 50eur and get an RPG under the bed.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

THERE ARE NO WEAPONS IN THE MARKETPLACE... ARE YOU PEOPLE BLIND!?

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Wait 1 -2 month and say it again, im pretty sure it will be: Buy m4a1 and recieve m1911 free, and if you pay over 9000, kidding +- 25€ you will recive thermovision that cant be stolen.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I think the War Z is going to become pay to win. Charging a subscription or just doing a standalone with DLC and cosmetic items would be better than micro transactions and in game currency.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I say that DayZ if F*****G AWESOME! I totaly love it! Sometimes when you play it you feel like it's more than a game (sounds nerd but that's the game!). It's just bloddy brilliant. Love the way of survival, like a bad ass survival, no forgivness. First game that pushed you so hard that you can loose all your eq that you scattered for like moths and you can loose it becouse of one single mistake. I love this game and the best thing that it's alpha, so like all the time updates, that will keep the game live for years. There should be more and more and more added!

And about WarZ, screw them. Shitty rip off with candy graphic. They trying to be a zombie survival with candies all around.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Awesome comment! Totally agree with you. I unfortunately didn't get the chance to play DayZ, i just watch alot of JackFrags videos, and frankies :|

Hope you add me on steam, so we can team up when the SA comes out.

Cheers

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I hope so too! I've heard that in standalone there will be quite a big push on grouping up

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Check the backpack design!

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I'm going to buy Day Z. I like this mod, but actually in Arma 2 I like more some other mods (Evolution Red, Wasteland).

War Z looks ok., but microtransations is something that kills such game for me (same as WoT - Pay to Win). So for sure I won't invest any money in that game.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Offtopic: WoT is not pay to win

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I loved DayZ for Arma 2 ! Played it a lot, but i don't have time to play it these days. I need to update it and see the changes. I don't like WarZ, it's not as scary as DayZ for some reason. Also i just hope that in DayZ you can enter every house or atleast most houses. It just breaks my immersion when i can't enter 80% of the houses XD. I hope the stand alone will run fine on my laptop ^_^ !

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

You worry about interiors? Check this out!

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Yes i've seen them and they look awesome, but what i was trying to say is that in the Arma 2 DayZ and in WarZ there are a LOT of houses that you just can't go in to, they are there just for decoration and that really breaks my immersion in the game. Also i sure as hell hope they make the night in the Stand Alone game more reallistic and not just pitch black O_O.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

WarZ is basically their other game (War Inc) with zombies. They simply "upgraded" it with some stuff, put a different name on it and sell it as some new groundbreaking game. Many models and textures are from War Inc actually. link

A blatant copy-paste, the name itself indicates it.
That's as original as naming your game Blockcraft, Conflict-Strike or Left4Kill....

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I laughed so hard when i read that the developers of WarZ have been working on the game for years and that's not a DayZ copy XD. I personaly don't mind people taking other people's ideas and making them better, but WarZ is not making anything better and it's obviously a bad copy. I can't wait to see when people start complaining about WarZ not being updated or how there are too many hackers XD.

Aah i can't wait to buy the DayZ stand alone.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

They only started working on the game after the release of DayZ.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I know, but the devs of WarZ are saying that's not true and they've been working on it for years, that's why i laughed ... XD

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

so the devs of WarZ says that. I could also say "I was working on a design years before them and they copied it dont mean its true"

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I REALLY don't know why you people are arguing with me... i guess you don't understand what i'm trying to say with I WAS LAUGHING at their statemend that they were making the game before the DayZ mod released? Please read my comments slower, i am NOT deffending the devs of WarZ, i'm laughing at their stupidity...

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Being a copycat is bad. It is. Developers of WarZ did that.

But does that make it a bad game for copying?

This is coming from an ARMA player with over 300 hours on DayZ

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I've played both and I far prefer DayZ over WarZ.
They both have many hackers, though this should hopefully be fixed in DayZ standalone. WarInc hacks have been out for ages and they don't care to fix it so I don't see it getting fixed in WarZ.

Weapons are easy to find in WarZ, ammo is not. You CAN buy ammo.

WarZ developers are giant liars. they keep saying they started development before dayz, but this is a lie, it didn't start until June of this year, well after the DayZ fad hit.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Agreed.

Thanks for the ammo info!

Cheers

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I haven't bothered playing any of them. That being said, I'm interested to see the standalone game :)

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I have played Dayz and it was fun for a few day's then i brought The War Z and it's better then DayZ imo. And buying weapons before spawning isn't a good idea.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

buying weapons before spawning? woot? you played DayZ you sure?

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

He was talking about WarZ :)

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Wait, you can buy weapons before spawning in DayZ?

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

No you can't.

WarZ has that, not DayZ :)

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

My mistake

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Dayz mod played it , im not going to buy arma 2 oa for it because i wait for the standalone (otherwise i would ;o)
Warz -> copy of dayz there's no proof they're working on it for some years (they even couldn't think of a name)
reason i dont buy arma 2 oa for dayz now is because it got alot of hackers... if dayz isn't going to come soon i are going to buy arma 2 oa for sure

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Yeah, I also wait for the standalone, thankfully they managed to setup a sweet MMOish setup, so no hackers in standalone :)

Cheers ;)

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

You know if it comes to steam and/or the price going to be?

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Yep, probably for steam, can't really tell you anything 100%, and the price, as stated by Rocket (The man responsible for DayZ) around 15 Euros :)

Cheers

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

At first it's probably not going to be on steam, becouse they are going for the Minecraft type of realease (aka Alpha -> Beta -> Final Release, if you buy the game in Alpha it's discounted for like 50% or something like that (not 100% sure on how much the discount is)). Also about the name of WarZ, it's obvious they took the Z from DayZ and the War from their other game WarInc (WarZ is based on the WarInc engine). They are really unoriginal... XD

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I'm going to buy it in alpha but maybe steamgreenlight?

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Yeah i'm going to buy it in Alpha too. And i'm sure DayZ will be on steam, either by Green Light or by Bohemia Interactive games being on steam already. But my guess is that DayZ will go on steam when it's actually released, the Alpha and Beta probably wont be on steam.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Hi Sudden,

FOA let's forget about "WarZ", no more free ad for this obvious piece of s...omething wrong ;)

If you really want to play Arma II with zombies, you can do it even with free version of it. There are some maps with zombies for free version of Arma. I know that it's not exactly the same, so use this demo version only to feel the gameplay, original game is much more complex. At least you can also see DayZ on youtube. My friend played it for about half a year and he had so many stories from this game to tell that it's definitely a must-buy for me as standalone version. AFAIK it will be distributed like Minecraft, with raising price, and devs say it will be cheap. Save your money for it instead of buying actual game now. New version should be out in December.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Hey Timan!

Don't worry, I'm not a fan of WarZ and their copypaste shit :)

I actually got the ARMA II Free version, so I'll try that out, thanks for telling me, didn't knew it actually had zombies.

The ALPHA of the standalone is due in NOVEMBER! :D Wooho ! :D

Cheers mate!

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

"WarZ and their copypaste shit"

Did you ever think about what DayZ did to everything ARMA? Lol. I think the ONLY things DayZ even did were to add zombies and the looting system. Don't get me wrong, I loved DayZ for awhile, but from what I've played in WarZ it's a much more solid game.

Plus I haven't yet encountered ONE game-breaking bug... and it's an Alpha. :P

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Hey, hey. DayZ is a project from the staff of ArmA 2. So it's not a rip-off, it's a side project.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I see you lurking on the comments here, trying to push WarZ like it was superfreakingawesomebestgameewah and I do NOT like your oppinions, nor your comments.

You talk smack, and I don't like it.

This goes to UsagiSenpai just to be clear.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I love DayZ. Played it a lot. Will buy standalone for sure. But talking about WarZ. The devs there are lame. They deleted some topics where people had suggestions and they banned them from forum. How lame is that? I haven't played it yet. But i'm not going to buy beta for 30$ dolars.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I'm just saying... you know that DayZ will go the Minecraft path (aka they will release it at alpha with like 50% discount and you will get in to the alpha, beta and the game itself when it releases). But anyway, yeah that's really stupid of the WarZ devs. I don't expect the game to last long. Right now everyone bought it becouse of the hype on zombie survivals that DayZ generated. When DayZ releases it's alpha and people see how much better it is and how much better the support for it is, everyone will leave WarZ and it will either go F2P or shut down completely.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

The latter i hope. If they treat their community like that, they don't deserve a community at all.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

at first i thought WarZ would be good so i got it but when i noticed how bad it was i demanded a refund (since im in australia they have to by law ) and they got extremely rude about the reason that i asked for help tons of times and every single forum post and message was ignored or deleted.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

They also keep deleting negative feedback from their twitter page and blocking the people.
They know that they're wrong about absolutely everything yet they keep trying.

Stubborn and ignorant people. Nothing more.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I didn't really have any experience with DayZ personally until I tried out the mod for GTA San Andreas. My laptop isn't quite capable of running the game at a decent frame rate, and with standalone version comming out, I didn't really see the need to buy Arma II:CO for it.

I did watch some gameplay videos on youtube, mostly commentaries, they are lots of fun to watch, but most of my experience came from that GTA server, from what I saw about the arma 2 mod in the video, the GTA one is quite similar, except the zombies are total idiots in it and weapons seem easier to find.

As for the standalone, I don't think there is much information about it yet, don't think there are any screenshots either. Just wait and see. All I know is, it's going to be built on the ArmA 3 engine, so the graphics will be awesome and every single thing will be extremely full of detail.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Hey bro!

Yeah, same here, I play GTA DayZ mod for awhile, you might know me by the nickname: Argamore :)

There are actually alot of screenshots, interior stuff, new server system, you can check it out:

http://dayzdev.tumblr.com/

Cheers !

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Thanks for the link! I really couldn't find any DayZ standalone stuff, best I found was ArmA 3 screenshots.

And I think I've seen your name there, but not really familiar with it.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Aaaaaaand i just got shot leaving my sanchez near a hospital :(

Cheers

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I've stopped playing GTA DayZ, mostly because the survival time is extremely short, the map is too small for those 102 people, who are constantly there. Majority of those playing it would be better off playing an FPS, all they do is shoot people, even if they don't have any gear on them. I was killed about 5 times the other day just trying to find my friend, gearless...

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Yeah, I agree, Zombies should be super hard to kill, and ammo harder to find, then people wouldn't waste on each other. MAYBE :/

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Well, firstly they shouldn't be so damn dumb, if you run for a while, then crouch, they'll just go where you ran 2 seconds ago, although they can "see" you. I agree that ammo should be harder to find, but also I think the damage of sniper rifles is too overpowered, there were times when I was killed by 1 bullet extremely far away.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I really love DayZ, and I'm really really exited for the standalone. :3
WarZ is just a copy. And in my opinion every ingame store IS pay2win.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

But it isn't pay2win, lol. Also, in my opinion WarZ is more fun than DayZ ever was. Excluding the first ~2 times I played it, back when it was new and I didn't realize it was more or less a waste of time. WarZ Is very similar to DayZ in a lot of regards, but it runs better, feels better when playing,and has a certain charm to it.

If you wanna talk about a copy, let's talk DayZ. Do you know how little of a Mod it actually is? x3

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

well technicly its a copy but then WarZ is also due to most ideas have already been had people say an idea is theirs but they get the idea from games/movies/books etc they experience so then almost everything around today is a copy. Also so what if DayZ is small in size ITS A MOD NOT A STANDALONE GAME. Also if you download the DayZ maps for a server they are about 15gig each so the game in general isnt small just the client is. and this is cause most gamers dont want to download a game that is over 90gig ish. Also There is Nothing Wrong about Ingame Stores They are a way to make the game F2P but still have good servers.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Yes WarZ might be running better, but that's becouse it's a standalone game made by a whole team. DayZ is a mod for a very demanding game that's made by one man. You can talk what runs better when the DayZ stand alone game is realeased. And i don't really get what you are saying with "how little of a mod it actually is?" . If you want to tell us that DayZ is just a skin of Arma 2 with zombies, then you are terribly wrong and you haven't even touched the campaing of Arma 2. Also if you want to talk about "how little of a mod it actually is" go look up WarInc and then look up at WarZ, you will find a LOT of similar things and that's becouse WarZ is actually just a reskined WarInc with zombies. Screen 1 Screen 2 Screen 3 Screen 4 You are defending a terribly made copy of a mod. And the devs of that copy offer little support and help for their "game". I really can't understand how the game actually has fans.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I know i wont survive but i being waiting for DayZ Standalone since i heard about it, Haven't play the actual game sadly :(, And btw if my memory is not lying to me I remember I read somewhere that WarZ was Announced Way before DayZ was made or mention (Sorry if im wrong , got bad memory) And why i dont get WarZ? easy they made War Inc , i played the beta of war Inc, also when it came out and its Shitty pay to win + buggy as hell

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

It is not pay to win. All you can buy with "Gold Coins" are cosmetic items a "Range finder" and a shitty knife

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

You cant buy weapons in WarZ Edit: only melee and is really expensive

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

If someone by any chance knows how to imbed HTML stuff here like clicking on a word to open a link (I tought it was like: [url="insert url here"]Word of choice[/url] etc

That is BBCode, not HTML. Use markdown instead.
[text](www.link.com)

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Thank you!

Yeah, my fault lol, BBCode :)

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I see that once again most of the people defending War Z have terrible english skills... which reminds me that their mods and devs can't speak english for crap. Coincidence? I think not.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I'd like to think my English skills are decent enough. o:

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

WarZ is a copy of DayZ. I never really found that much interest in DayZ. And SA Multiplayer for DayZ, why does everyone suddenly have to copy DayZ? it's just like all the different 'Minecraft's now. It's really annoying.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

They are not copying it. The mod for GTA is called DayZ and not a bad rename like WarZ :)

You have a point there, but I like my options open, that's like calling FPS games all the same, and they copy each other and so on.

If it weren't for GTA DayZ mod I couldn't experience the DayZ spirit because I do not own OA for ARMA II.

Cheers

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

by the way those pictures are from a suggestions a guy made on the forums , I don't think there the official ones

Edit~ I said this just in case people think its gonna be this one

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Well that's what he stated int he opening post :)

"The backpack concept was made by: joeyslucky22 @ DayZ Forum"

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Just wanted to re state it XD ahahhaha

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

yeah i played, as most multiplayher games, it gets fun when playing with your people, otherwise eventually it gets boring if you are gonna solo all the time,better get in a group or join with surviviors, in the past this was easier, now is difficult as it's more like a deathmatch.

it was worth before when it was cheaper, not now as it's not that cheap and standalone is coming.

i haven't made up my mind about warz yet, haven't looked at it enough. I watched a loot of dayz gameplay before getting it.

gta yeah played it too, it's fun, but haven't playued it that much yet, just found out about it about a week ago.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

It's a great mod, sadly the base game is terribly optimized, which eventually led to me quitting.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I had to add you on steam just to clarify.

Cheers

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Closed 1 decade ago by Argamore.