I'm sure the bare minimum $1 buyers that AAA bundles attract will help out charity a ton.
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hmm, so what are you telling me ? better is not to give sth then to give 1$ by thousands of buyers ? so why even bother with charity, its not heling at all, there are more and more poor pll over the world - next time you would like to rethink before post sth
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Nope, it doesn't really help out charity when a bunch of resellers and children only pay $1 because most of it gets eaten up by Paypal and credit card fees. Sorry Yoda.
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I am complaining, and I'm not one of these people. I don't need games right now from this sale, but this sale combined with everything happening around the community market, TF2 update and now the Dota market has made me angry, and what could be the best way to release anger? Shitposting to forums.
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I more or less second this, though the last point, due to how they've changd things around, it might not seem that way.
Old winter sale:
1 daily sale
3 Flash sales (8 hours)
And I think the community choice(8 hours for 4 games)
Current one:
2 Daily sales (2nd starts 12 hours after the first)
Community sale (12-24 hours one of three games, one of which gets something extra I think)
I should also mention the fact Steam's been adding more sales (halloween and Fall, neither of which had special cards or any sort of events/community choices)
But honestly I see no real issue with this sale beyond petty crap (Not enough money, BoI REbith OST didn't go on sale when the game did, etc) To those who don't a ton of games they'd find this to be great as various older games are very cheap (when Rebirth went on sale, so did the original Issac for a whooping 90% off)
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Dunno but likely higher due to more games, as far as things in featured/etc? I think it might be more compared to the old model (Not including 'by association' extra discounts). MGR's nice discount was a side effect of Ground Zeroes ending up on a featured sale btw.
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But that's my point! Just because a previous sale was cheap, doesn't make this cheap sale any worse. £2.50 for Skyrim is just as good in summer as it is in winter. Adding Metal Gear is an example of how this sale is superior, we get Skyrim for £2.50 but now with Metal Gear as well! ;)
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It'll take Elder Scrolls VI coming out for Skyrim to get any cheaper. It's an AAAA game after all. I'm surprised by how cheap MGR was as they could have easily resisted the sale.
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Your point is "cheap Skyrim".
Their point is "same price it had for over half a year during various sales".
Which means for anyone interested in Skyrim this sale is meh, because there was no point in waiting to buy it. Especially since DLCs didn't went lower (and they did on Amazon, which makes Amazon sale better).
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Odds are their other sites do their sales around steam's so even if the steam sale price is meh, you likely still have it to thank for the better price at another site.
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I've bought loads of game during the black-friday sales plus a few on the winter one. Maybe I would be happy if the 8-hour-community votes would come back - there would be more chance to something new to appear (AFAIK so far votes were all about games that were discounted for the same 66-90% during almost all previous sales, and maybe all AAA-ish games) - I just hope there will be an "indie-day", or "upcoming stars" or things like that. The fact that ongoing vote is about softwares maybe foreshadows that there will be similarly specialised daily votes :)
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"The sale items aren't good enough"/"The discount is not as good as previous sales" -> This is,for me,true. I have ~100 titles,many of which are f2p/mass giveaway\bundle junk with cards/games I found too bad to give a second chance,so I estimate the "actual games I played/am playing" be lower than half that. In terms of "real" library count,no,it didn't go up drastically in the past few years.
My wishlist is also ~100 titles in length(admittedly,some are pending release/are f2p) - so there are plenty of things that if went on a price I think is okay,I would buy - but only 3 titles have 75% off or more - 1 of which was bundled before AND saw better discounts ON STEAM (NOT as community choice,flash or dailys),1 which was bundeled 4 times and had other sites beat steam's price by a large margin,and 1 other that I'm not sure if I would enjoy or not - so the current price doesn't justify a reckless buy - and is,I'm guessing,likely to be bundled in the future or see a better sale someday else.
There isn't even a single title at 85% off on my wishlist,not to start thinking about 90 and higher.
So yeah,for me - this is the first Summer/winter sale where I haven't added a single game yet that I'd enjoy playing,nor bought anything to be gifted later on day 1 - actually,I haven't bought anything yet. Is it possible that the sale will become better? Yes. Do I think it's likely? No.
(I think the gem event was okay and better than that teams thing.)
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Again, this is my point, because they've been on sale before doesn't mean that this sale is any worse.
However i will concede that not having non-flash/daily price match up is an oversight. This must be a rare case.
100+ wishlist games? Only 3 75% or over? I'd like to re-visit this at the end of the sale however I'd like to know how many viable 75% are in there. I mean you probably won't see a game released in November get 75% in December. Which is why say Shadow Warrior at 90% is so good!
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No,being on a sale before does not make any future sale any worse; However,without any degree in economics,I can tell you that if 3 weeks ago you sold a large amount of apples for $0.30 instead of $5 each,almost no one is going to to buy your apples now at $1 each - even though that %80 off is,by all means,a nice deal. Now,consider the fact apples don't rot and that people have stockpiles of them at home,ready to sell for ~$.33 each - then your $1 sale is bullshit. If you'd like me to buy your apples,you should at the very least match your previous sale - and you'd probably get better results by going down to $.20,as even people that already have a decent amount of apples will buy a bit more,and some of those who thought before that $.30 was still too pricey for an apple might buy it now.
Now,let's think a bit about who would buy apples at $1 - people that are filthy rich and don't give shit even if it's $10 per apple,people who don't know how to buy apples from other people,or people who just arrived,have no clue about previous sales,and think $1 an apple is a great deal.
I'm angry because rather than caring about me,someone who's been here for a few years and bought stuff from time to time,Steam is trying to appeal to the rich,oblivious,or new users. None of those by itself is bad - except that they also forgot me. Rather than trying to make itself more appealing to me,Steam is trying to make competition look worse (See recent trading topics). This is one of the most basic things that I consider morally disgusting - trying to eliminate competition rather than trying to best it. It's like you're in class,aiming to get the top grade - but rather than spending your time learning and solving questions,you spend it tearing apart your classmate's notebooks and burning their books.
Sorry,my Wishlist count is exactly at 99(and like I said,bits of non-buyable stuff here and there). It's public - you can see for yourself. You could continue making a lot of arguments,but at the end of the line - I judge how good a sale is by how many titles I personally bought. I couldn't care less about Shadow warrior being %90 off - heck,for all I care,the next AAA title that has %100 positive rating could be %95 off - I still don't give a single fuck,because I don't care about AAA games,I care about the games in my wishlist and only them,and if you repeatedly come second place in making me buy those - I'm simply going to say goodbye.
Release date isn't consistent with the %off for me - probably because I only have 4 titles that are more than %66 off,which is an acceptable sale even for a game that was out ~2 months ago. I'll keep an eye out for potential amazing deals,but again,I don't expect anything.
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That's kinda my point though isn't it. It's not a good sale in your eyes because YOU can't buy anything YOU don't already own. That doesn't change the prices.
Your apples analogy is rubbish as well, as that's what supermarkets do ALL the time. Prices fluctuate and you DO need a degree in economics to understand the ins and outs of it. Simply inflation would account for price differentiation in apples. Substitute that to an international distributor who has to take into account different tax laws, the thousands of products they sell, with the thousands of different companies they provide for. It's a little different than some bloke selling me apples.
EDIT: additionally, I don't see how Valve owe you anything. Why? Because they've given you years of insanely priced deals and freebies and fun events? So now you feel entitled to it? There was no need to get so uptight about the entire thing either, it's a debate, not an argument, no need to swear at me.
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Yes,it's not a good sale in my eyes,and that's everything I care about about. This is,for me,a bad sale. This is why I will personally complain about it. If you think that the sale is great,then I'm happy for you. There's no way of quantifying how 'good' a sale is,other than taking the average of how much each participant is enjoying the sale. At least for me,it seems there are enough people,that regardless of why they say so,do not enjoy this sale - and as a whole,that means that this sale is worse than previous sales,at least enjoyment-wise.
Apples specifically may not have been the best analogy,I agree - and I think that Steam trading is different than most irl examples,if you take into account the fact products stay at their purchase condition,all products are equal,there are no exchange fees(once bought),you can't resell your products once used,(base) prices are mostly set once a game goes live,and that there's no hard cap on sales (No physical vendor would ever sell read at %90 off or say "anyone visiting can take a free sack of watermelons,no requirements.")etc. I'm simply trying to give the simplest example I think could work if you hammered it into a Steam-like scenario,not say that my apples analogy would hold in any rl event.
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"I don't see how Valve owe you anything." - They don't.
"There was no need to get so uptight about the entire thing either, it's a debate, not an argument, no need to swear at me." - I don't recall being "uptight" or swearing at anyone; If I've offeneded you in any way,I'm sorry for that.
"Only 3 75% or over? I'd like to re-visit this at the end of the sale however I'd like to know how many viable 75% are in there." - Exactly 3. Again,some titles didn't even match their previous sales despite being on the "Second round" of the sale (Carpe fulgur collection went 66% off,was 75% off before).
"Because they've given you years of insanely priced deals and freebies and fun events? So now you feel entitled to it?" - You're putting words in my mouth. I'm not entitled to anything - A store is a store,and a store that does 90% off sales is as much of a store as one that does 10% off as much as one that has overpriced products and doesn't do sales at all.
Look,all arguments aside,in the most simple sense - when you have the same product at multiple stores,people are going to go to the cheapest one. People are expressing discomfort regarding this sale - Not because they feel "entitled" to cheap games,but because as a matter of fact there are many stores that can now compete or best steam. Steam used to be your go-to store for cheap games; People simply want steam to retain that title,nothing more. They want to keep using steam,buying through steam,going PRAISE GABEN HL3 and all that stuff - but if Steam does constantly lose it's place to other stores,while it certainly won't die,a part of it's community will. We do not retaliate for our greedy hearts; We fight for steam itself to remain what we love.
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Though if Steam didn't have these sales in the first place, the other stories wouldn't really follow suit as well.
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They wouldn't have anyone to follow suit,but it doesn't mean no other store would eventually realise deep sales attract a lot of costumers. As a "what if" question,we can only speculate - maybe if there wasn't Steam,there wouldn't be PC gaming; Or maybe another store,with DRM-free policy and,game reselling and and good support would be invented; Or maybe the whole scene would be composed of AAA devs and we'd never have gotten the indie bomb. Unless you can jump in real quick to another timeline and tell me,those all stay as "maybe".
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I have been posting else where abt the complaining, it's BS, let these Kids get on either MS or Sony Platform and then see how far their money goes
Not only this, you need to pay to play AAA online
Don't like it, don't farken buy it
Quit ya b1tchen, stop ya itchen, here have some cream for those crabs
Man oh man people would still complain if things were $1
I probably spend around $50 a month on games, I can get some awesome ones, I can get some stinkers, But guess what? $50 buys me a 50/50 chance of good/bad on a console, and that's just 1 game
$50 on steam = potentially 10 or 5 good games, depends on how patient you are
All that money I saved on games paid for my 500 GB SSD, and I have 2 256 SSDs too
A Packet of smokes where I live costs me 30 Bux, I used to smoke 3 packs a week, I no longer smoke, but i have all this extra $ now
People are too greedy, shame Steam doesn't have a voting mechanism where you can point out who moans and groans, then Steam puts up the $ even more to these users, hopefully that they would leave, never come back
Now back to reality, I have used a torrent or two, I don't have 1 pirated game on my PC, I can afford to own each an every game I want, given that I am patient enough, yet all the other games still tie me over
Steam community needs to be rid of the whingers is all I can say...
TL:DR short version
QUIT YA BITCHEN
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SO FAR the sale is not as good as previous Winter/Summer sales (I can only speak for the last 2 years). Sure, there has been/is some very good deals (got the "steam version" of Black Flag Deluxe Edition for 10€), but compared to previous sales it is lacking the amount of good and very good deals (and this is why there is so many threads here about it). The auction was quite poor thing for a winter event - people who did dominate there were the ones, who already had tons of games and money (not to mention the gems glitch). In my opinion events should be more games/playing games related. Over the past 6-8 months Steam has made some very poor decisions: first made some games region locked for gifting, then more trading restrictions, now it is completely useless, new Ubisoft games in UK (you are a pussy Valve!). Yes, Steam is the best platform there is, but it's position is not so dominant as it used to be (in some aspects Origin is already better... and this sale period EA has gotten more my money than Valve :| ).
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It only seems that way because you already bought the majority of them or won/traded them from GAs.
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No. There are plenty of things to get, but the discounts aren't that good to actually buy those at the moment, because wiser is to wait and hope.
edit: I'm not blind folded to only see the games, that I don't own ;)
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You're joking Origin is fkn horrible and is as expensive as hell
Not only is Origin horrible, their live support might as well no exist, because they are clueless to what support means
The fact you support EA makes me wonder why you would admit that
Remember who started all this, and stop complaining
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When it comes to Origin's support then it is usually 50/50, but it is still better than Valve's (+you can get a refund in Origin). Accusing me for being too fond of EA?! You, Sir, hold your mouth, if you no nothing about me! I haven't had so many complaints to one company that I had to EA, BUT for some reason, things are getting better on the dark side. In my post I only stated the facts and, if your functional reading skills are so bad, then don't comment at all that you can't understand.
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Yes, Steam is the best platform there is, but it's position is not so dominant as it used to be (in some aspects Origin is already better..
You suck @ trolling buddy
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Lel, dude please, EA is possibly the worst Publisher in the industry, yet your fine fine words are
and this sale period EA has gotten more my money than Valve :| ).
Speaks volumes, EA going for the trifecta, worse gaming company, yet you spend more with them
The pricing on Origin is a joke and comes no where near Steam in sales, then add the variety of games, then the community, yes sure, please educate me, I am in need of a laugh
Go play on reddit or what ever it is you kiddies do
:D
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Functional reading skills! Or are you just blind or trolling? Did I say that overall Origin is better than Valve? No. Did I mention that Origin has better variety of games? No. Did I mention that Origin has better community? No.
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Yes, Steam is the best platform there is, but it's position is not so dominant as it used to be (in some aspects Origin is already better...
U suk @ trolling
In no aspects is Origin better
It supports the worse Publisher out there, EA, so good luck in your cry more attitude
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Alright, let's dissect this a little bit, because I don't think either of the parties are exactly right about it. Here goes.
While I can't say anything about the quality of the titles or the discounts, what seems to tick more people off is the number of sales themselves. Usually, you got packs of flash deals a day, now you get two, plus 2 more with a community choice. There are some good discounts there too, sure, but objectively speaking, sales were usually about 75% off on average, with that percentage going to both directions rather rarely, or at least it was like that on the front page. To name something I should have bought a long time ago, they are constantly making me rethinl wether or not I want it for the price. That game is Cold Fear, and I didn't buy it first when it was 66% off (might be wrong about this though) I didn't have that much money to burn, then in the summer I was all set for that price and it was only 50% off. Now I was like, fuck it, I'm getting it half the price. Guess what? It's 40% off. I don't think this is as much about seeing only stuff you own or could get sooner in bundles or at other sites like Amazon, as much as it is about wishlisted items for people who could not get a good deal for some time thanks to these downer tendencies. I may have listed only one here, but there are others too, believe me (like Driver San Francisco, to name one more). People won't get these because they know they used to be cheaper, and honestly, daily deals are better for them and it's worth waiting for those with a hefty backlog. Thus, the whole sale where the games they'd expect the most don't get a satisfactory discount, becomes kind of stale and uninteresting. Are people over-dramatizing the shit out of this though? Bet your ass they do, I wholeheartedly agree with you on that. But they have a reason to do that, just not the extent they do it to.
Honestly, wouldn't you like some events? I still remember the winter of '11, when we had an incentive to not only buy new games, but to actually get off our asses to play some that we owned. Valve brought some of this back with the trading cards, and it would have worked if there were about 2-3 games a week that would get cards for someone who owns as many as I do, but it's usually 5-15(!) sometimes, which kills the magic. That, and Idle Master, but I ain't blaming anyone, it's fast profit for all of us. My problem: I loved those events. I don't need their free games, or free DLCs. Give me only christmas-specific achievements, or some of those stupid badges for getting certain holiday-themed achievements, anything really. Just an incentive to once again, get off my ass and play some of my games. Usually the games that got these were fantastic-to-good, so it wouldn't hurt to jump on the bandwagon of knowing which ones I would probably like from my catalogue. Not wanting this just seems like playing the unnecessary martyr only to spite those you disagree with, however, once again, I agree that people whouldn't expect something that hasn't been costumary for 3 years now.
Ironically, refer back to my first point of answer here to get yours too. We are seeing worse discounts for the same games (that we DON'T own), simple as that.
Overall, this sale is kind of slow, and it's a bit lifeless. It's lacking content even though Steam's catalogue expanded in vast ways over the year, and that's just uninspiring. However, it's not the end of the world as we know it, and people are really making a bit of a big deal out of it. It's just a sale you dorks, play your damn games already.
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I wouldn't 100% agree with you on sales changing. I think prices changing keeps it fresh. I regret not buying Reketear when it was on a 75% sale in 2012 i think, it hasn't been on since. However this sale saw 50% off Xenonauts which hadn't been IN a sale before. If we got the same discount every sale on every item, what incentive would the consumer have to buy things? They need to change things up simply so we don't hoard our cash until the next sale.
I think we were spoilt in previous sales with how well things went. I personally think we could get something on Christmas day, like when L4D was free. I also think the auction should have carried on through winter sale to really push gems. I don't think it was a bad event, not the best for sure but it wasn't bad. I won a game for significantly less than its current sale price. I think people saw the initial bids and were put off. If you wanted a mid range, mid priced game you could get it for next to nothing towards the end of the sale.
Greed has taken over peoples mind brains. 40% off in a sale is still absolutely amazing. You wouldn't get that on the high street.
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Hold on there a minute, if you want sales to get refreshed every year, well, that's what they were doing for years, really. It's been only this and last years winter, and this years summer sale that cut a lot of stuff out. Before these, you got new discounts while keeping some of the old ones too. I'm not trying to point ot stuff like Alpha Protocol, which was about 85% off like once, and then it remained 75% off on later sales. That was a great one-off opportunity. The problem is with the titles that used to be at a 75% discount (just an example) for years, and now the discount rates are going down every sale. That makes you reconsider getting them every sale, or at least it did this for me.
And 40% is a fine deal, not an amazing one. I just got a super-comfy gas spring chair that used to be around $250 new, which is ridicoulously high for a chair (hey, this is Hungary, we're now almost officially 4th world...), but I managet to get it for about a hundred. Now THAT was amazing, and it was kind of on the high street.
EDIT - and fuck my spelling, I ain't correcting that shit. cba
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this sale is ok, there are always people that complain...even if steam would reduce all titles...some would complain that their shiny AAA+ title from 2014 is not reduced 90%.....some don´t get that a sale is not a giveaway....it´s about profit!
btw... nobody is forced to buy a game now that is on sale until 2nd....many of these will be on a daily sale with some extra off %
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I just hope they come up with something like the oldschool sales with playing games for achievements so you get stuff or something. That was fun. But it probably won't come back because of the peckers that use programs to get achievements without playing the game.
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That, and by basing the events off of trading cards, Valve gets to make more money off the community market.
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Meh, but only because I own a ton of games. I am still waiting on Dragonborn to go on a 75% discount.
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Did you forget the internet is full of 12-year olds with too much time on thier hands? Don't get too worked up about all the complaining.
Ask for someone's opinion and 9.9 out of 10 it will be black criticism because they think that's what having an opinion is all about.
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I won't say this sale is downright bad, but as far as I am concerned, I didn't find anything that would really catch my eye yet. I was hoping for the Dishonored DLCs to be on a great discount, but nope. Many of the indie games I'm keeping my eye on? 30% - 60% discount.
Now, it goes without saying that anything over 50% is a pretty decent deal, it just seems there used to be way more 75% - 80% discounts in the past sales.
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At least there are a few other people that see this. Of course the firt summer and winter sales I went through seem like the greatest sales ever but that's because it was new (And I didn't have a huge catalog of course). For anyone that can't find anything they consider a good deal should just take a year off from buying games. cut down your backlog, hold out on new games you want and suddenly the next seasonal sale will seem like one of the best.
As far as the "No Event" complaints, I feel with near certainty that a majority of those people were the group this summer shouting for Gabe's head because the team event thing was "literally the work of Satan". This "Perfection or GTFO" mentality is really wearing thin.
Personally I'm 6 purchases deep but only out $30, I was one of the lucky people to get Spacebase free, and I won an auction using garbage I couldn't sell. Great sale from my perspective.
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There is a downtrend going on but you people (OP and those on his side) choose to ignore it. When it becomes blatantly obvious, you will act surprised. That's fanboy behavior.
Valve/Steam is clearly doing two things (1) Trying to make money and (2) either running out of ideas or is putting in little to no effort.
No one has a problem with number one, but number two is uncharacteristic behavior coming from them. If this were any other company, people wouldn't complain as much. See this forum and TF2 forums aka SPUF for complaints. It is painfully obvious that the complaints stem from Steam doing so well in the past by its customers during the sales and events. In a way, people sort of begun to expect a certain standard. Is it bad to expect that? You could argue that people aren't entitled to anything. I can agree with that. However, if you want to start off giving someone candy for years back-to-back and then all of a sudden start giving that person cheese instead of candy, and then next time broccoli instead of cheese, and then finally just a turd, then be prepared to hear about it.
I don't know what country most of you are from, but in America, we say what we want. If I expect more from a company/product/person, then I will say it. To expect me to silence myself just because you like them....well you know what you can do.
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The militant expectancy is astounding in my eyes.
I see no downtrend whatsoever. How are they running out of ideas? Last sale there was a team building event, which was entirely new. This sale we had an auction and a new gem system which revitalised the community market. It's this idea that you not getting what you want equals a terrible injustice.
Here in the UK when we have an opinion that goes against the grain, we speak up. Hating for hating sake or for a selfish "I didn't get what I want therefore it's bad" is a terrible mentality. I don't understand why you think you've been given a "turd" at all? You've had the chance to win one of hundreds of thousands of free games. You have been given the chance to MAKE MONEY for nothing. You have been given a massive catalogue, perhaps the biggest ever assembled, to buy from for a few pounds or dollars. Yet it still isn't enough. I don't see where the lack of effort is coming from? The store page is literally being updated every 12 hours. Not many companies will update their sales offers every 12 hours, that's a massive amount of effort. Also the logistics of the auction wasn't just a case of showing up and it happened. Creating the artwork for the cards, the backgrounds, the comic that was released for the auction. These things take time and money, but apparently its not enough.
When I was growing up, PS1 invented "Platinum" games which meant old games where "£20" a little bit down the line after they had initially come out. We thought we were being spoilt! Then we had the trade in market, 4 old games for £5 at GAME, amazing. Now you can literally buy new releases that are £30 for £3 on sale and people are finding a problem with it.
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People are dumb that's why they complain, they want free good games, the same time they also support shit devs.
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I keep reading how this sale is terrible, I've seen countless threads about how the sale is really bad and that Steam are being completely out of touch with its userbase.
Allow me to make a rebuttal to all those threads in on handy bitesized thread. I'll list the arguments below and give my own personal opinions on them.
First of all, this is absolute garbage. There has been plenty of 75% and upward sales, I personally deem that a "good" sale. Shadow Warrior for example is currently 90% off making a £30 game £3. As for the sale items not being good enough, I think the problem there lives within the user themselves. When you think back to the "glory" days of the sale around 2-3 years ago, ask yourself how many games you owned. How many games had been bundled? That Skyrim for £4.99 was amazing back then. That Skyrim for £2.50 is STILL amazing you just own it now. Sale items are subjective to the person buying them. You happen to own 99% of the catalogue now, just because you own the game that has a good discount, it does not mean its no longer a good discount.
First of all, why should they. Secondly, yes there are. Has everyone already forgotten about the auction already? The thing where steam gave away hundreds of thousands of games? How was that not an event? Christmas cards are also being given out during community choice(which is also an event btw) and during purchase so you can craft a badge. Putting this here as a hidden GA to see if people actually read it and reward the non-tldr people, ga hidden in this sentence. Add to that an ENTIRE NEW GEM SYSTEM and I'd say they've given you quite a lot to play with this year. Either your inventories are empty of the crap you don't want or full of cards you made from booster packs. Yes steam make money from the re-invigorated community market, but so do you. Are people actually complaining that they've been given a way to get MORE cards and make MORE money from the NEW system put in place during this sale, simply because Steam takes a cut(like they always have)? If I was to give you £10 but told you I was taking £1 as a fee, you've not lost £1, you've gained £9. I think people lose perspective with this.
Ties into number one, but the most simple to explain. It's day what? 4 of the sale? And you are comparing it to a full 2 week sale. Get a grip.
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