Yeah, but seriously, people speak like they know everything about the universe and they're experts about every subject. It's funny how they speak with such authority about things they know nothing about. And it's very sad people can't see outside the box (paradigm, culture etc) they live in.
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Don't be. I've had lots of discussion over the internet, but I realized it's usually not fruitful. People are not willing to debate ideas, they're not willing to possibly change their views, it's just about trying to "win" the discussion. So I'm avoiding these, and I feel much better. :P
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How much of a pay gap are there between the sexes? There is so much bullshit fake numbers coming from the Progressives that mentioning a large gap they say exists (besides what they pay their staff) is literally grounds for lawsuits if it was true.
I don't mind the transgender thing so long as I don't have to pay for it.
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Last I heard, I believe the overall difference was 87 cents on the dollar or so, but that's far from the full story.
There are certainly instances of pay inequality, but they're increasingly rare. The bigger issue now is that there are fewer women in high-paying professions and more in lower-paying ones, proportionally.
Some people see this as reason to question whether, for example, surgeons and engineers should be paid so much more than, say, teachers, but I find this line of thought extremely unconvincing, to say the least.
The amount of pay different occupations yield is more usually a matter of standard market forces. I'm extremely skeptical of the idea that more technical professions with smaller available pools of labor having the necessary skills are paid more because they're more commonly occupied by men, or that less technical and more socially-oriented occupations with much larger and less-skilled labor pools are paid less because they are more commonly held by women.
The closest I've heard to a reasonable argument that even approaches that notion is when considering that fewer women go into these fields, it's a matter of their personal preference. From there, one may consider what sort of social or other factors are influencing them to have those preferences in the first place. To that end, there has been an emphasis of late on encouraging women to pursue more scientific and technical fields. Time may tell if there's any merit to the notion. Personally, I think it's a combination of natural inclination and external pressures, so I expect the results to be somewhat tepid.
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Okay, I admit I didn't get that far because I stopped looking at the details when everything else was aggregated. I stand corrected. I still think the prevalence of it has decreased dramatically and is continuing to do so, though I don't have anything handy to back that up and, frankly, I'm too absorbed with other things to go looking for it.
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i just want to say that i support transgender people and that it's not your genitals, it's what you do that defines your gender.
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I just want to know your beliefs. Gotta get that flame war started ya know?
Also Gyrin is a name I made up long ago. The "Gyr" without the 'o' came from the ball, gyroball was the name of the freeware flash game I played when I was a kid. This image is a screenshot of that game. I name Gyrin with the thought of Gyro in-mind was because originally in some weird ass story I wrote. Gyrin's heart stopped beating, so his master. Yunko. Alchemically attached a CD-Player to Gyrin's chest which pumped his heart with electricity. The CD-Player was a model where when the CD-Player was playing music, a ball would roll around inside the CD-Player. This was visible from the outside of the device. So then Gyrin got his nickname at the time, Gyrin. Really stupid, but that's how he got his name. Lol.
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Someone already said it and is worth saying again, People are stupid, homos have been getting a lot of attention recently to the point of being able to marry, adopt children and such, and people is slowly starting to open more their minds towards those things, there will always be people against that kind of stuff but they are usually idiots without real arguments who arent even worth paying attention to, is just a matter time and some work, maybe a couple generations and everyone will start accepting those things as something relatively normal, of course dont expect people to get completely over it in the near future (we still have racism since hundreds of years ago) but hey Rome wasnt built in a day right?
Edit: that came out to be longer than i expected... damn you walls of text
Edit2: have a shitty giveaway
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being pangendered, I have also noticed that. (on the transgender spectrum, comparable to being gender fluid..."all" genders) Especially when it comes to FTM there is just not much mentioned about it and its often described incorrectly and misinformed. In terms of transitioning, there is even less of an understanding and a larger backlash from the community. The surgical aspect is often left hush hush and there are many places who are skeptical and discriminative towards those wishing to transition...Finding a decent surgeon is a very hard and important task, The technology and procedures are much more misunderstood as well as delayed in terms of advancement as compared to transitioning as MTF. This is of course because of complications. Many FTM thus choose to transition only partway thus leaving them still uncomfortable in their bodies and feeling unfulfilled. There is less research conducted on MTF surgical techniques as compared to the opposite. People also are msinformed about the procedures necessary to even begin transitioning. This includes hormone treatment and therapy. Some therapists will try to convince them to be satisfied with their current bodies and it is very important to understand that the recovery process should be treated very careful. But there is simply not much support for people wishing to transition...as compared to MTF...Or this is from my own understanding on the matter...what I have seen, read, and heard from the LGBTQ communities and society itself. It is a struggle and very real. It shouldn't be taken lightly but it often is.
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Yeah the procedures for me transitioning are kind of unclear and uncertain. I don't really get a lot of the information i've read and I feel like there's a lot more I need to know and I need to find someone who specializes in the field to discuss these things with.
I haven't read much of anything about FTM men, but I remember reading a little about the sex reassignment surgery for transmen. And it sounds horrible. The method and technique sounds like it could be vastly improved upon, but isn't. I hope that does change soon though. It must feel pretty miserable for transmen who can't complete their journey of sorts.
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Er,I don't really get it,because perhaps you have to experience it yourself to truly understand - but why exactly do you need to go through physical changes? As I see it,in case of a MTF for example,you 'feel' mentally that you're a women,so you're basically(and do correct me if I'm wrong) a male human who has interests that are largely identified with females. I don't really see why the need for such actions - you can wear frilly dresses just fine. If it bothers you,hair removal has recently become popular even with 'normal' males. You can polish your nails till they're sharper than a kitchen knife,cover your whole face with makeup or whatever it is girls do those days regardless of your body.
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It's about making your physical self match your perceived self, not about interests.
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to a degree, it's cultural, gender is a constructed thing - women act one way men another, we treat people in box x in this way, people in box y another, and gods forbid they transgress or down comes the whole edifice of disapproval.
OTOH there is also the bit about being able to go to the loo without feeling bewildered, or the bit where your body is just WRONG and does THE WRONG THINGS. As Yoda said, "Luminous beings we, not this crude matter" but if the soul is driving the body as a car... some people just can't drive stick and some just get driven round the twist by automatic (very crude analogy ^_^ ) This is long before we get to arguements about what is male, what is female, xxy ais and a whole heap of intersex conditions that just really confuse people.
TL;DR it's very very complicated really ^_^
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At least you get to know of some of the people I put up with everyday. I knew people were disgustingly ignorant before I decided to finally come out as being transgendered. But I never wanted to actually SEE this disgusting horrible display everyday. Like i'm not ignorant of it and i'm okay with seeing it I guess. But Jesus fucking christ, the way people treat me and talk to me and stuff is sickening.
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Well, I have to admit I don't feel I can make a full fledged statement because of my lack of exposure to a lot of transgender people, but even as a lesbian who deals with a bunch of crap frequently, I still agree it seems transgenders have it worse right now. I've had people actually say to me they'd accept me "as long as you liking women doesn't mean you want to be a man" or that "god gave you that body for a reason" and somewhat related to something else you said: glad I'm not bisexual because "those people haven't made up their minds yet."
I've had some bizarre moments with my own identity in the past that I still don't fully understand. In my teens, I refused to wear any female clothes, any makeup, etc. I looked so masculine I was frequently mistaken for a boy, and somehow it didn't bother me. I never wanted to be male; I just liked dressing as one and acting like one. That was also when I was trying to figure out why all my friends had crushes/boyfriends and I'd never even looked at a guy that way. So the whole boyish side of my identity both gave me some sort of empowerment by stripping away "weak" feminine traits... and doubled as a way to keep boys away since I seriously disliked the attention.
It wasn't until a year or so later of feeling... odd.. around other girls, and then finally being put into a class with a particularly beautiful one who I swear made my heart stop, that I had that "oh, shit" moment, so to speak (I come from a fairly homophobic family and knew it would not be easy to come out).
I half dropped the need to be overly masculine after that. I say "half" because even now I can't stand to not have something about me be tomboyish at any given time. Skirts and dresses make me horribly uncomfortable, things defined as womanly or feminine I still avoid like the plague, being complimented more for acting feminine than acting masculine still pisses me off... these bizarre quirks of mine kind of go on and on like that. The one thing they all have in common is how even I, someone already in a female body, find femininity to be a sign of weakness.
Getting to the point (sorry for the long intro, but I felt the need to preface it), I can see where you're coming from with the way people would look down on men becoming women. Even as a woman who likes women, and gets agitated at inequalities against women and LGBT people, I still manage to have something ingrained telling me femininity is akin to weakness and frailty. If someone in my shoes can feel such a strange conflict and have so many terrible stereotypes bred into them, I can't even begin to imagine the sorts of awful, prejudiced things that go through the mind of somebody on the other end of the spectrum.
I don't often like to get into fights with these people because I get too sharp-tongued too quickly (hot temper ^^;), but at the same time, I know silence is wrong too. We can't just wipe away prejudices - look at how people still treat members of other races. You'd think we'd be past skin colors mattering by now, but it's clear a lot of people aren't. It's crazy really, but something in human nature (and furthered worsened by social pressures) keeps hatred of "different" or "strange" things alive and well. Voices still need to be raised about all sorts of inequalities, not just of the sexes and sexualities. Hiding for other people's benefit isn't actually beneficial to either party. Hiding uncomfortable things gives a temporary feeling of safety from the unknown, but by making our differences rarities, it keeps them as an unknown, a thing humans seem to inherently despise. Whereas more frequent exposure, no matter how rough it is as first, leads to the unknown becoming more normal, and eventually more comfortable.
My own family is a good example of this. By hiding away for years, the homophobia stayed and quite possibly even grew as gays cropped up here and there in their lives. As soon as I came out in my later teens, it was a total shock to the system. I'd been living under their roof all these years. I was a fairly normal, mostly good person. How could this be? But eventually it started to settle in with them. Eventually I could say more and more about myself. Eventually it became normal to ask how my girlfriend was or to refer to me as a lesbian without feeling strange speaking those words. Eventually it was just normal. You wouldn't know these people had ever uttered a single homophobic slur in their lives.
I know this all gets away from transgender-specific concerns, and I don't mean to pull away any attention, but it's the closest I can relate. Transgender topics are sadly something I'm not as familiar with (probably a bit to do with my upbringing, though to be very clear: I 100% support transgenders despite what my family might say), but at least I can relate on the basic level of prejudices and inequalities, and their common roots of taught stereotyping and humans' primal fear of the unknown.
And to end it on a funny note - despite my awkward prejudice against my own gender, I fell for probably the girliest girl I've ever met and stayed with her 5 years so far. Go figure that one out. :p
edit: Holy crap, I think I spent a half hour on this post.
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I see, (I read your entire post, I just don't have much to say.) I'm pretty bad about dealing with ignorance too XD My tongue gets sharp way too quickly XD If I refrain from that, I can cut deeply into ignorant people though. I find it amusing when they resort to stupid squabbling when i've ripped the supports out from their "house" and it comes crashing down.
Also congratulations on your relationship though. I hope you two work out in the end.
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lol That's alright. Some of it was half vent posting (those people replying to you in the conversation you linked kinda set me off) and half "it's 4 in the morning and I say everything on my mind whether I mean to or not." :p
Yeah, it's much better when you can get out a thought out argument rather than resorting to just wildly losing your temper. Once you start knocking bits of their side away, eventually there's nothing really there to support what they're saying besides, "Well I don't like it, so it shouldn't be a thing."
And thank you. <3 So do I. :)
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Well, there was a game by Auntie Pixelante called 'Dys4ria'. It was a bit unsettling, but oddly therapeutic. It's the first one on the list on her website.
We, people who have lives, are in full support of you wanting to live yours the way you like. Cheer up. )
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To be honest I felt uncomfortable with Transgenders for a long time (as a teenager) mostly because of stupid horror stories like "imagine you are on a date and later when things get serious you discover the woman has a penis". Some time ago a Youtube musician I am following revealed she is a MTF transgender and will start HRT soon. Since then I am a lot more confident with this topic, we all are just humans after all and we all will die. To quote A Song of Ice and Fire (a.k.a. Game of Thrones): "Fear cuts deeper than swords."
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As long as the one you're dating let's you know she's a transwoman. It's fine. Just remember to ask if she has or is planning on getting sex reassignment surgery. If you're not into penii, that's fine. Lol. It's not something you're into. Just know that's she's going to of course, not be able to bear children (which a lot of women can't anyways, so there's nothing wrong with adoption. You should be having a child for the child. Not the genetics.)
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Pretty sure the plural is penises. In Latin, the -i suffix is only used as a plural when the noun is of the right gender (lol) and declension, generally only words that end in -us can be made plural with -i.
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Society is that hypocrital, most straight dudes love everything lesbian (porn, kissing, etc). But gay stuff? "Gross."
I'm gay and I fully support transgender right (and L and B as well).
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I think its just because its easy to enjoy the site of pretty things, including women, whereas a penis is just strange, even under the best of circumstances. What could possibly be attractive about a seven-inch boneless thumb I carry around in my pants? The only thing its good for is hitting the space bar.
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Yeah, I understand that, for us gay guys (at least, 90% of us) vaginas are just scarely undefined, wrinked holes. But what I meant, sorry for not expressing myself correctly there, is that straight guys don't have any problem with watching lesbian porn or seeing lesbian weddings, but wouldn't approve of any gay activity even if they weren't even watching it or anything and just forbid those.
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From a straight guy: Lesbian = two girls. two > one. There's no rational thought going into it, like realizing its all pointless because these girls are obviously not into you, etc. I think the problem is self-replicating because many younger women will pretend to be lesbian for attention. That's just plain wrong, in my book.
As for why straight guys are defensive and uncomfortable around gay "stuff:" fear. No straight guy wants a gay guy hitting on him, or in an extreme situation, anal sex. Its also pretty irrational, because gay people generally aren't any more inclined to be rapists than anyone else, but, then again, when is fear ever rational?
Hope I've shed a little light on this for you.
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"If this choice bullshit continues..."
Wow. Is this person even listening to what they're saying?
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I understand and completely agree with your position, I empathize and sympathize with your pain, I am in your corner 110%. I watched the video and I agree, she's a girl.
But what does this have to do with video games or Steam?
EDIT: Chairmankao above me illustrates my concern perfectly - I agree with your thoughts, but I worry that posting stuff like this in a place like SteamGifts is exposing yourself to the exact same form of people as you were arguing with in that thread. I'll allow that you're a big girl and can take care of yourself but I also understand that it can get overwhelming at times. Please be careful.
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I feel like the massive support of people for it would crush people against it. A few people against it in here specifically said they don't agree with it, but refuse to explain why.
I posted it here since I usually feel a sense of unity and agreement on opinion on this website.
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I loathe the LGBT movement. Live your life how you want to; I support that right. Just don't constantly throw it in my face.
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right after straight people stop screaming abuse in the streets and making me feel unsafe to be out nights ^_^ your statement is basically "I support your right to be clack, but do it in a ghetto, where I don't need to see you".
And that's why activism needs to continue until frankly, it IS a non issue
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The hypocrisy in your own intolerance. I love it. I said nothing of the sort. I don't go and parade in support of the LGBT population, so obviously I discriminate against them.
I think there's something fundamentally pathetic about letting your sexuality define who you are to that degree. Your sexuality is just a fact of what you were born with, much like being born left-handed or with curly hair and freckles. Much more important is what you accomplish with your life.
EDIT: Also, thanks for also alluding to my inner racism. How did you know?!
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This whole "yeah you're gay or transgender just shut up about it already" schtick is extremely lame. You aren't veiling anything. You simply sound mad that it's becoming less publicly acceptable to discriminate (or that there's nothing in it to benefit yourself personally).
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oh I entirely agree, I really should have leveled accusations of "not in my back yard" on the level of evidence in your post, so apologies, but the point is that as vastly annoying as much of it can be, to blithely start with "I loath the LGBT movement" is somewhat unhelpful. This isn't a matter of "if you aren't with us you're against us", its more a matter of "thanks for the positive statement you followed with but could you please not denigrate the efforts made to try and win the support of those less open minded?"
I also would like to be able to walk down the streets without homophobic abuse and to feel safe at nights... pretending issues don't exist or even when you acknowledge them trying to ignore them or telling them to be quiet because it's not your fight is... Unhelpful.
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I fail to see how T-shirts and gay pride marches are going to make intolerant people any less intolerant. They may never accept you, but I genuinely believe they will respect you if you give them a real reason to. Transcend your sexuality rather than let it be your end-all-be-all. I would think that nothing would be more powerful for the LGBT cause than a prejudiced individual having to acknowledge, "I still don't approve of homosexuality, but wow ... he is amazing at XYZ. I respect that."
Frankly, if you think anyone should sing your praises for being gay or transgender just ... just because, then the biggest problem in changing mindsets is you.
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Oh I don't think people should sing praises because x, y or z is gay etc... I think it should just be nice that gay people aren't murdered for being gay, that coming out shouldn't be a choice between who you are and having a family, and that people shouldn't have to stay closeted for years because somehow at ground level, society looks at g.a.y. (Good as you) and says.... No. You aren't so I can discriminate against you safely and without repercussion. And a lot of activism as you say will never change a determined bigots mind..
People do still die of old age. The trick is to get to the next generation before this pernicious hate has a chance to.
Edit: actually rereading that last bit it sounded AWFUL didn't it <sheepish>
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I think what chairmanko is trying to say, albeit in a rather blunt fashion is this: Gay pride parades are truly a bad idea. I mean, if you're an old-school believer in man-wife-two-kids nuclear families, this isn't going to change your mind. I'd agree with that statement. I entirely support LGBT rights (what are Queer people? I mean, what makes them not definable under the existing terms) but I don't believe that being lesbian, or gay, or bisexual, or transgender, should be the one defining characteristic. I deal with that a lot, as I'm a religious Jew, who wears the traditional head-covering, called a yarmulke, but I don't want to be seen only as "the Jewish kid." I think that the only real way for LGBT folks to be accepted is by making their sexual identity not anything different than hair color, or employment, or any other facet of one's personality.
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There's often talk and meetings to address trying to make sure that our gender/sex isn't a "label" But let's be honest, it is and probably will be for a long time. "Labels" exist on a large amount of people. I don't care if that's a defining characteristic of me to people. They're not involved in my life and they mean nothing to me in the idea of personal relationships. I don't want to live my life trying to outshine some stupid label people put on me.
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Must be nice to live inside a tiny, self-serving box.
Also, nice job pigeon-holing an entire movement into select instances of public demonstration.
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The purpose of gay pride rallies isn't to make people less intolerant (not directly, at least.)
The purpose is to lend support to other gay people. In many places, gays have been traditionally forced into the closet, taught that their sexuality is shameful or that it's just an evil urge they have to fight. Holding gay pride rallies encourages those closeted gays to come out of the closet -- it shows them that yes, you can be public about being gay, that there are people out there who are not ashamed of it. It shows them that there are people who will support them and accept them for what they are.
And in the long run, this is does help make people less intolerant (in case you didn't notice, the push for gay rights is working, shockingly fast.) This is because every time a gay person comes out, their friends and family get to see them, and realize that being gay is just a part of who some people are (just like being straight), and not something to be afraid of or to freak out over. This creates a ripple effect that ultimately makes being gay safer and more acceptable everywhere.
Are you actually saying that gay people need to give homophobes a reason to tolerate them? Because that's dumb. The goal of the gay rights movement is not to have people say "man, you're totally a credit to your (sick disgusting) sexuality" like a white main character praising an ethic stereotype for being a credit to his race in a 1930's movie. The goal is for homosexuality to get full acceptance as normal, automatically, with nobody holding gay people's sexuality against them -- and that means that people who say they "don't approve of sexuality" should have the cold hard light of truth shined on them until they either understand how dumb they're being, or until, at least, the rest of the world can see how dumb they're being.
The best way to do that is by encouraging as many gays as possible to come out of the closet, so the people who spout hatred against gays are confronted with the actual, real people their words and actions are hurting. That's what gay rights parades do. And, like I said -- in case you didn't notice, it's working. There are enough gays in the world, across all walks of life, that once they step forward and make it clear who they are -- once they declare, loudly, that they're not just going to be pushed into the shadows again -- most people come around.
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Initial reaction: "Holy wall of text!"
But I read it all. Insightful, helpful and educational. Thank you.
I do think that the intention is noble and great. But as with many things that take a life of their own, it's gotten away from the original intent. However, you make an excellent point as far as the social progress that's been made in many countries. So I guess if it's working ...
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Intolerance of intolerance is not a bad thing.
Also, you're digging yourself into a hole. The "don't throw it in my face" line is most frequently used to suggest that people that aren't fully treated as peers/equals should hide any characteristics, otherwise it will be interpreted as aggressive and obnoxious. Pretty sure this is common knowledge. For example, "I support your right to play videogames, but don't constantly throw it in my face" would be said by a non-involved party, interjecting on someone else's conversation on gaming, implying that the stranger's dislike of the subject takes precedence over the common rights to simple non-hostile expression.
The moment you used that, especially after opening with "I loathe the LGBT movement", you cast a very stark tone over your post. So much so, that I would suspect you of baiting.
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Wtf chair,
"Live your life how you want to; I support that right. Just don't constantly throw it in my face."
Do you understand how these statements are completely contradictory and egoist?
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I tend to agree with him. I have nothing against people being gay, but it does annoy me when they feel the need to shove colored feathers up their ass and parade around in "gay pride". And I have gay friends who feel the same way about it. In my view, I can't understand the point of "gay pride" any more than I could understand the point of "hetero pride". You are who you are, self-acceptance is all you should need. (And having the same rights has anyone else, obviously.)
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Then you and your friends are still discriminating against people for something that doesn't infringe on your freedoms in the slightest. Beside the fact that this is again (incorrectly) painting an entire movement with select public demonstrations, why should you care at all?
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I'm relatively sure the point of gay pride was to be able to hold hands in public with your other half without a major problem... The rest of it was to have a damn big party with people who just "get it"
In more oppressive times or regimes I think it's more of a statement that gay people exist and making themselves visible so people can't sweep their existence under the rug. I could however be wrong, and not everyone is a feathers person, not very GBLT personage is fabulous <wry>
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As much as I think that gay pride parades generate a lot of negative social impact, people have to expect this kind of thing after applying so much downwards pressure on any group for long enough.
It's kind of akin to bra-burning, but in a more open and braver culture. It's a "Yeah, this is retarded, but we're having fun, it isn't illegal, and we don't give a shit if it offends you, DEAL WITH IT". That much I can respect, even if I facepalm at how crazy it gets and worry how they may ultimately be giving the dark-ages members of political and legal sway more ammunition. If you suppress, people react by raising their voices. Gay pride parades are a 'self-made problem', it was the people giving them so much shit that spurred them into doing it.
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Not sure why this is so hard for people like you to understand: I don't give a shit if you're gay, straight or love farm animals to death. I accept you. So stop trying to make me accept you. It's already done. Just because I don't parade down the street with you or wear rainbow colors on a certain day doesn't mean I'm trying to oppress you, nor passively supporting your oppression. You're just annoying me because you obviously don't respect other people enough to listen to what they're saying.
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No, I just think people like you are whiny and have your priorities out of whack. And that's generally fine, except you seem to think that your priorities should be my priorities.
Unlike you, I don't bitch and moan about inequity. I go about finding a way to navigate the real world and succeed as best as I can. And when I fail, I don't whine about being in a white straight man's world. Seriously? You're a joke. Stop being a brat and go be productive. Instead of blaming your environment, maybe recognize that the problem is you.
Also, if it makes you feel better, I don't see you as a gay or lesbian loser. Just a loser.
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Every time someone posts something like what you posted, it reminds me of this article from The Onion.
"Man I wish straight people would stop throwing their sexuality in my face. Every time I check my mail, it seems like I'm getting an invitation to another straight wedding. When I go out on the street, I see straight people holding hands, kissing, everything. It seems like every single action movie shoehorns in a straight couple, too, or a character who is obviously attracted to the opposite sex. I mean, seriously? You can live however you want to, just stop throwing your straightness in my face."
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The difference is that i don't get in front of gay people to kiss my girlfriend just so i can say LOOK AT ME I'M A STRAIGHT PERSON (i'm not), and if i would i'll probably get called an intolerant asshole.
It's not a matter of being pride of my sexuality, which is fine, but it's a matter of provocation, which can get annoying to people who don't have nothing against the LGBT community and don't want a "with us or against us" treatment.
Perhaps is more clear?
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But we already have that - it's called a heteronormative environment where the assumption is everyone is straight until proven otherwise. It sets the standard that until we have disposed of homophobia transphobia etc that everyone straight who indulges in a PDA is saying "I am normal and this is a socially allowed display of affection and anything that transgresses this is not" (sorry to get political here, the example once given to me was "when the red power ranger is gay, gets a boyfriend and it don't matter we're golden, till then....")
But yes I do take the point that sometime pride parades can go too far, then again I'm in the uk where the noting hill carnival is much wilder than the local gay pride parade. But I also do know that within one lifetime we've gone from being locked up as deviants by the criminal justice system, to schools actively failing to teach that homosexuality exists to today with marriage being on the cards and I know the uk is a liberal state... These things do matter a lot, and at some level - anyone who doesn't acknowledge peoples right to be gay or transgendered or whatever is denying that we're human, and denial of common humanity has always been the start of humanities darkest chapters. Sorry I'm getting ranty and preachy.
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Very well put. This was the point I was trying to make, but obviously didn't make so well.
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People are people. Everyone is free to live as they wish as long as it doesn't infringe on this same right of others.
Those who judge others are only highlighting their own insecurities. It's okay to feel uncomfortable, but it's wrong to refute perspectives other than your own because you feel uncomfortable.
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--- UNPOPULAR OPINION ---<
Honestly I think there are way bigger and more important issues in the world at the moment. I mean while kids are dying in third world countries or men butchered by the thousands for having a different religion (yes I'm looking at you ISIS) I just can't feel sorry for sb feeling uncomfortable in his skin or getting smaller salary. People are unable to accept people of different skin-color and religion or provide equal rights to the opposing gender (still after thousands of years). How can you expect them to accept you then?
This world is utterly self-centered and existentialist. We care only about ourselves, our little world, our looks, our identity and our comfort. Men - Women, Straight - Gay alike period.
I won't hate/judge or flame you, but won't support you either.
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"I won't hate/judge or flame you, but won't support you either." I'm being intolerant right? Maybe you're right though, I have a hard time tolerating humankind in general.
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lol I spend as much time on SteamGifts as I want, it's none of your damn business be tolerant :3
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It's possible to do more than one thing at a time, you know. A bit like how we have a police force AND a fire department. Crazy, I know.
We can happily continue efforts towards relieving issues in third world countries while considering how to address the gaping social abscesses in our own culture at the same time. Prioritizing does not mean total neglect of anything not in the number one spot.
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Neglecting something is still better than obstructing and fighting it right? Poor transgender people are better off with somebody who doesn't care about them than somebody who actively hates and fights them every chance he gets right?
If you tell me what to do then you're no better than all the homophobes who are telling them who to have sex with... I am free to do one thing at a time, hundred things at a time or nothing at all right?
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absolutely, the only thing people ever really ask is that people acknowledge this is not of the good and someone should get around to fixing it. Not you, just someone. There's ALWAYS a someone <sighs> but there's never enough silent majority going "sure" ^_-
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Honestly in my country it's not gonna be an accepted thing any time soon, hell lots of people here still believe animals have no soul lolz. Every year they have that liberty parade and the religious nuts show up to throw water at them, and occasional rocks, at them and spout religious crap. That said i have never heard, as far as i can remember anyway, of anyone being killed because of his sexual orientation and i'v never witnessed anyone being harassed or beaten for being gay. I have no hate/dislike(i have little hate for anything in general if i think about it) for them. I'v never had one among my friends, tho i would very likely be fine with it. I have no idea how i would react if my son/daughter turned out to be one tho it would not be "get out of my house" "you're no child of mine" or w/e other crap you hear about. That's about all i have to say on the subject.
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"That said i have never heard, as far as i can remember anyway, of anyone being killed because of his sexual orientation and i'v never witnessed anyone being harassed or beaten for being gay."
Well then by all means, no need to widen your perspective beyond your own personal realm if everything is hunky dory!
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Well there's not much i can do about it now is there? If you still think bitching about it on the internet will solve a problem then be my guest. We had this discussion some months before when some of you were bitching about some game being sexist.
Also where did i say everything was perfect? I literally started by saying my country is full of backward idiots. I simply stated it's not as bad as it seems to be in other places.
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I couldn't care any less about what people say. You shouldn't too.
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I would be able to not care what people say if I wasn't extremely insecure myself at this point of my life. I was fine before, but now i'm really insecure and people digging their heels into my insecurity for the 8 months since I started doing something about the woman I am inside (I came out a year ago) doesn't help. So i'm reacting more brashly and emotionally than I would like to. I don't need asshole people ontop of something as uncertain and confusing as my gender identity and the steps to become a transwoman.
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Well, posting your thoughts on the internet won't help that much - if not make it outright worse. You should speak only with trusted people that can help and support you (that is, family and good friends), and behind a screen this is not possible. Assholes are everywhere, the best we can do is to let them slip off without caring about them and let good people stick as much as possible.
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I don't have any friends or family that're physically present in my life. Actual no family, and I have a friend who lives in Texas and I talk to her all day every day. I don't really mind, not having any friends doesn't really bother me. I just would like another friend or two and I would be fine.
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(i'm Nyoko Seven)
I'm mainly just posting this to point out these people suck, and I have to deal with people like this everyday as a transgender woman who hasn't started HRT. The way me and other individuals of the LBGT community are treated is disgusting.
L(lesbians) and G(gays) have their war that's still going on, but it's becoming more accepted and a lot more people are cool with it.
B (Bi-sexuals) are still treated as people who're simply confused about who they like and are often ignored I think.
T (transgender/transexual) Has been the most recent flame war in our public. We're starting to get more coverage on t.v now and of course we're also depicted in incorrect ways. Not that big of a surprise. Though we've been getting more attention lately as a cast member of "Orange is the New Black" is a transwoman
I feel like female to male transgenders don't get nearly enough attention : it's suggested that women transitioning to men is applaudiable and often ignored since being a man is a good thing in this country as shown that FTM (female to male) men get more money than when they were women whereas MTF women get LESS money when they become a female. This is probably only causing issues also since being a man and becoming a woman which is often idiotically viewed as the weaker sex pretty much globally is probably one of the reasons why we're such outcasts and what we do is viewed as "deplorable" and is controversial.
Imma just sayin' every time I hear shit about transgenders it's always about MTF as opposed to FTM, rarely there's generality of transgenders. But i've never seen specifically in-regards to FTM men.
Anyways, that's my spheal. I've just been wanting to talk about us on this website for awhile now. And those dumb comments on that chain sparked me up enough to do it. So yeah, say stuff in the comment that you feel, i'm done with this post.
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