only for consoles if you get an import version, because there is no region locking bullshit with these.
For Pc you have to go the torrent way, which is sad but the people who do this kind of playonlyincountry xy locking just hurt their own sales.
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Or you can just purchase the game and then torrent it? I know a lot of people who do this for different reasons the main one being they just don't like using Steam so they purchase the games when they're on sale and then torrent them.
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If you don't use public torrents, but instead use Alt's they are fine.
Also the word "torrent" in this case can be replaced with any other source of warez like Och's or Ftp's.
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Or you could just call them downloads, you just have to be aware of what you're downloading and how it works...
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You can burn your money and then download it from torrents, just to let go of your horrible sins. :D
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Why would you try to buy it? Serious question? I never buy anything that is censored in any way, because I just don't see any point in it. That's like saying "hell yeah, i'm totally fine with my government treating me like a child"
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I think I agree with your general thinking, but how does not buying a (censored) game send a message to the government? Do you think the game publisher will go to Angie and complain that sales were poor because the law forced them to censor the game? :)
This said, I would make sure to buy and play an uncensored version of any game, of course.
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Supporting your favorite game developers will not send a message to any government of any kid. They don't make a profit off of it. Even if you were to buy games and pay taxes on them, you still would have spent the money at some point else where and still pay taxes if you weren't going to buy the game. The only people you hurt by boycotting censored games is the developers and publishers that made the games existent.
The best thing to do in these situations is just buy a censored copy of the game and then pirate an uncensored version or install mods if possible. The government gets to think they're still protecting the children from growing up to becoming blood thirsty Nazis, the game creators get bank, and the gamers get an uncensored copy.
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I'd say buying an uncensored copy is still preferable, whenever possible.
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What. Are you even serious?
Okay, have you even heard about the Kosovo genocide? There are probably more examples, this one came off the top of my head. The point being, just because the Nazi treatment of Jews has always been well publicized in movies, games, novels, so on doesn't mean that their entire population is to blame for what a dictator wanted to achieve. Saying stuff like ""theyd probably start killing jews again" is equivalent to saying your whole family is stupid just because your comment is idiotic.
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very low education... btw americans,brits, spanish and portugese killed more, mayas, incas, astecs and other nativ indiens and not to forget africans, then all people that where killed in WWII. and the idiot that started the war was an austrian not a german... a immgraded nerd... thats a reason why no non birthed us citizen can become president. so if a us president does shit then its american shit.. ^^ you can be glad about that :D no? lol.. mindbasting? well then dont sleep in school dude!
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id imagine he objects to it same reason i dont buy software on amazon US, its technically trivial but while im circumventing some rules why dont i just torrent it, answer legit or im not bothering with the game, thankfully theirs very little thats censored in the UK nowadays
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Well, I see a significant difference between circumventing censorship and deciding to pirate a game instead of buying it. Not all rules are the same and the issue with piracy is more of a moral choice than a rule, if you ask me.
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Really? They implemented such a hard lock on this game?
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I know of IP-locks in general, but enforcement of the German law to the point of not being able to start the game is new to me. For example, I recently activated and played the old Max Payne games while in Germany.
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ip-locks have been around for quite some time to prevent cross region trading. it is very, very rare though, that they restrict the import of an uncut game completely (not just from cheaper regions).
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http://steamdb.info/sub/47976/
Compare to regular version eg.
http://steamdb.info/sub/41691/
It's only package with non-region locked version that is available for sale. (Dev/Beta/Press keys are region free also, but probably 'impossible' to obtain).
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i got this bundle now, is this the correct one? :)
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197970958349/inventory/#753
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There are exceptions to this paragraph, but as games are not seen as art here... no chance.
As far as I know the only difference are the missing swastikas? Which I wouldn´t miss...
Oh, and the missing english audio, but I don´t know how good the german synchronization is.
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That's just plain wrong. There is no law in Germany that punishes you if you buy or own a game that contains swastikas. It's just not allowed to SELL (on a non-disclosed basis) or ADVERTISE/PROMOTE them in Germany - importing indexed or even confiscated medie for personal use is still allowed, as long as you're 18 years or older. Proof! (GER)
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He asked about legally buying the game uncut in Germany. Thats not possible. So how do you actually buy this game legally when nobody can or want to sell it legally? Even if you legally buy the game from Lampukistan: it won't activate because Bethesda literally don't want you to buy it legally.
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You said that they - while linking to a German law - don't want you to buy the game. That indicated that you were walking about the German government, not Bethesda. However, it's still allowed to own any kind of media (except child porn, for a good reason), even if it contains violence, gore, drugs, swastikas, nazis etc, as long as you are 18+ years old. There is no law that requires a game such as W:TNO to be completelly locked for German gamers, while it's correct that the game wouldn't be allowed to be sold openly, like on the Steam store, Amazon, at retailers and such.
The reason why they haven't changed anything is because there is no need to change a single thing. Buy as many different indexed/confiscated games as you want while visiting Austria, Switzerland, the Neatherlands, or import them online and let them be delivered to your door, there will be no consequences. Yet again, you have to be old enough and you're only allowed to obtain them for your own, personal use. That means, that the import of more than one copy of each individual game could actually cause some serious consequences. Anything else? Totally fine!
To come back to the initial topic: Bethesda (or "Beschissda" as I prefer to call them :3) has totally overdone it with this rediqulous region lock for German customers. We (the team of the for UNCUT! Steam community group) have tried in countless emails to tell the Bethesda support that what they're doing is totally unnecessary and basically wrong. They stuck to their point (which was the law you pointed out earlier) and didn't even read what we wrote. They simple misunderstood the law in Germany and the fact, that it's legal for us to use/own/buy their game.
That's not how you treat your customers. Especially not if they are willing to PAY for your product. That being said, Bethesda is never going to see any money from me again for titles outside the The Elder Scrolls series.
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Das du nicht selbst merkst wie unsinnig deine Aussage eigentlich ist...
Wenn sie sein Geld nicht wollen würden, hätten sie sich nicht die Mühe gemacht eine "zensierte" Version für Deutschland zu entwickeln.
Das die unzensierte Version nicht in Deutschland verkauft werden darf liegt ganz alleine an dem deutschen Gesetz, welches die Nutzung von Nazisymbolik nur unter bestimmten Bedigungen erstattet. Nachzulesen im § 86 StGB.
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Genau, darf hier nicht verkauft werden. Gekauft (/importiert) werden darf sie allerdings schon. Der Lock ist unsinnig.
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Natürlich ist er unsinnig, da man sich das Spiel auch importieren kann.
Aber aus rechtlicher Sicht ist der Region Lock sowohl für Publisher als auch Steam unverzichtbar.
Der Verkauf des Spieles IN Deutschland ist nun mal verboten und irgendwie müssen sie sich absichern um keine rechtliche Konsequenzen davontragen zu müssen falls sich jemand das Spiel doch irgendwie beschaffen sollte.
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Macht doch keinen Sinn. Wenn ich das Spiel importiere, haben weder ich noch der Publisher gegen deutsches Recht verstoßen. Wenn ich das Spiel dann spiele, auch nicht. Der Verkauf in Deutschland ist verboten. Und die einzig sinnvolle Maßnahme ist, das Spiel nicht in Deutschland zu verkaufen - wer hätte es gedacht. ;)
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Es gibt nun mal Gesetze an die sich gehalten werden muss. Da kannst du noch so oft mit deiner Stammstisch Polemik kommen um rechtliche Regelung auf unsinnig einfach Art und Weise schön reden.
Einfach zu sagen, dass man es in Deutschland nicht verkauft ist doch Blödsinn. Es gibt immer jemanden der es doch tut und wenn sowas auffliegt ist der Publisher mit dran weil er nicht verhindert hat, dass man das Spiel in Deutschland nicht spielen kann.
Was denkst du eigentlich warum ein Publisher hin geht und ein Spiel mit einem Regionlock versieht? Weil er Spaß dran hat?
Was hat der Publisher denn davon, wenn du das Spiel in Deutschland nicht unzensiert spielen kannst?
Es gibt zwei Gründe dafür das ein Spiel einen Region Lock verpasst bekommt.
Das eine sind rechtliche Gründe, wenn ein Spiel gegen Gesetze eines Landes verstößt oder Indiziert wird (In Deutschland Spiele die auf Liste B kommen)
Der zweite Grund sind wirtschaftliche Interessen. Das betrifft unter anderen russische Versionen, die deutlich günstiger sind als in Europa, USA und co.
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@Sq1rr3l
Das ist Blödsinn.
Strafbar ist lediglich der Vertrieb und Verkauf in Deutschland, deswegen ist es ja hier bei Uns nicht erschienen. (Privater Besitz ist erlaubt und ebenso der private Import.)
Wenn deine Aussagen stimmen würden haette jedes indizierte Spiel wie Dead Rising oder Dead Island diesen Lock.
Es gibt einen ganz einfachen plausiblen Grund für diesen Region Lock welcher wirtschaftlicher Natur ist.
Um ein Szenario wie bei dem Vorgänger zu vermeiden (Eins der H..kreuze wurde übersehen) wurden die deutsche und die Row Fassung paralell entwickelt, diese Entwicklung hat deutlich höhere Kosten verursacht.
Mit dem Lock will man nun einfach sichergehen, dass Sich alle Wolfenstein Fans die extra zusätzlich entwickelte Version kaufen und nicht zum Import greifen, um die Kosten wieder reinzuholen.
Mich persönlich stören die Zeichen ja gar nicht, aber in der Row Fassung reden die Deutschen Deutsch, die Amerikaner Englisch und Polen eben Polnisch. (Ich wollte ganz einfach mit dieser Sprachausgabe spielen wo nicht einfach alles eingedeutscht ist.)
Der Lock ist wie Killingarts schon sagte total unsinnig und wuerde rein rechtlich gar nicht benötigt werden.
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Auch der Verkauf ist in Deutschland nicht strafbar - allerdings nur in ganz klar abgegrenzten, nur für Erwachsene zugänglichen Bereichen. Man darf zu privaten Zwecken alles außer Kinderpornographie erwerben und besitzen. Niemanden interessiert, was für Spiele oder Filme Du dir in deinen 4 Wänden reinziehst.
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Maybe it's a stupid suggestion, but...
What if you activate the game outside Germany? If you have a member of your family or a close friend outside country, you can ask them to activate a key or gift copy in your account and there will be no troubles with the ip-block...
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well like madjoki suggested, there is the possibility of purchasing the Quakeconnbundle 2014.
In fact I didn't see any "prohibittorunincountry" lock on that one.
Only downside it costs like 55€ from keyshops (fast2play/kinguin) or around 50€ from traders (dispenser.tf for example)
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All in all, there's no other option other than to torrent it. Granted that you don't want to take the torrent way, but considering how they're basically forcing you to not buy the game at all, I see no other option.
Or maybe buy it on steam and then torrent it anyways?
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If you want to go that way, just stay away from P2P. You won't get sued for downloading from Usenet or from cyberlockers.
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The display of Nazi symbols is forbidden in Germany, unless there's an educational or historical value. So Schindler's list is ok, but a videogame... not gonna happen. :)
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The only "legit" way(as in not using VPNs and such) is buying the Quakecon Bundle.
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They will never face legal issues because they don't sell it directly to Germany, and that's the only legal issue. Gifts and such being sent to german people uncensored is not illegal and it never was. The region locks are basically unnecessary legally. As one can see with Dead Rising 3, which is not available on Germany and that was region locked initially and couldn't be activated there, that situation got reversed and the region locked was lifted without issues.
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They absolutely can, but probably won't. More likely, they could also replace Wolfenstein with the German Edition in the bundle sub, which would apply retroactively to everyone.
Only way to be safe is to trade for a non-DE version of the Quakecon Bundle when it's available. And then there's still the risk of that being retroactively region-locked.
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Unless they lock out ALL the games on the bundle, it can't happen.
Replacing Wolfenstein with the German Edition also wouldn't happen, because that would be quite a shitstorm if everyone suddenly got a censored version.
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i played both versions .... the chance that you shoot body parts off is very low anyway with explosivs i see no diffrence. the only thing whats real diffrent the german version has an eagle i dont think thats too bad. and really who care about symbols... the swastika (also known as the gammadion cross) is a symbol that generally takes the form of an equilateral cross, with its four legs bent at 90 degrees. it is a symbol among the ancient celts, indians, and greeks,as well as in later buddhism, jainism, hinduism,and nazism, among other cultures and religions. no sure why its still a big deal but ok...
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i got this bundle now, is this the correct one? :)
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197970958349/inventory/#753
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is there a way yet? or still locked? sucks a**
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