Hi fellow gifters! I'm going to get a new laptop for gaming purposes. Before any of you start telling me to get a desktop, or a form factor desktop, I'll just let you know now: I'm not interested in those. I need a laptop because I'm rarely ever at home and I do lots of work and gaming on the go.

Edit: Okay, I think I've decided on pretty much everything, excepting the graphics card. I want this to last, so should I shell out an extra $300 for the 980M, or will the 970M be enough for the next 3 years (assuming medium to lower texture levels, 1080p, and 45fps)? I could also go for a dual 970M SLI setup, but that's considerably more expensive, and necessitates a 17 inch screen, which I don't care to pay extra for.

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I don't know much about wireless cards or processors, but generally the more RAM the better.
Also, since it is a laptop, try to invest in the best way to cool it as you are able. "Gaming" laptops tend to overheat a lot.

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What is your budget? You will want the most ram and GPU you can afford. Go with something that can easily upgraded later, such as a sager or eurocom. And the thermal paste is a necessity.

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First: i honestly wouldn't even recommend relying on wireless over wire. It's just too easy to interfere with. If you're having a hard time choosing, go with the stronger option. It's always easier using less than optimal resources, but it's hard to change the card later on.

Second: The i7 is clearly better than the i5. And while an i5 is plenty to run almost anything currently available, if you're going to get a machine that actually will last you, you might as well go for an i7. 4710MQ or 4810MQ is a minor difference, and shouldn't really matter much for anything but benchmarks. Regardless, going for an i7 wouldn't be what topples the budget here.

Third: 16GB if possible. with 4GB you're going to have issues running much more than your OS, and while 8GB is enough to run properly, it might start to be a little too little within the coming years. If you're building to last, 16GB might actually be more important than getting an i7 over an i5 core.

Fourth: With Nvidia cards, what you need to know is that the FIRST of the three digits >9<70M, is the VERSION number, and the LAST TWO digits is the MODEL number. Thus, a 780 will be vastly superior to a 920, as the 80 model is near their top-shelf while 20 is low-end throw-away. With your listed models, this becomes somewhat irrelevant though, but still important in case you're looking at other models as well. What i'd recommend is getting the one you feel you can afford. a 980 probably isn't worth doubling the price of a 970, if that's the case, but a 980 WILL perform better, by a fair margin. However, all three cards are pretty much able to play whatever you can get your hands on at max graphics, unless you're trying to pick something like chrysis 2.

Fifth: If there's no cooling paste in the machine from the get-go, you've been ripped off. I'm going to assume they're applying it in different locations to enhance cooling further, and as laptops number 1 enemy IS overheating, i'd say it's worth 25$ if it helps even in the slightest.

Finally: Sorry, it's late night here and i didn't read through your builds. One thing that have NOT been addressed here yet, which is incredibly important, is that you make SURE that your RAM have a bus-speed of 1600. It basically designates how fast the ram can communicate with the motherboard, and easily becomes a bottleneck if you settle for the lower values like 1200, 899 and so on.

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I disagree about the RAM. Even if he just gets 8 Gb, expanding it later to 16 Gb is way easier and cheap than deciding to upgrade from i5 to i7. Also, 1333 is fine, no real studies have shown any noticeable difference between 1600 and 1333 that I know of. I may be wrong about it.

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So I should definitely shell out for 8GBs?

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Yeah... While 16 might be going overboard like c4r says, with windows7/8 (i'm assuming windows since you haven't mentioned any other OS), you're going to feel very restricted very quickly, especially if you plan on gaming on this machine (and who would buy a beast like this if you weren't going to game)

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I was actually thinking about maybe going for a Linux install this time. I don't know yet. I've really had it with Windows though, my current laptop has been really messed up because Windows 8 refuses to update properly and I keep getting BSODs.

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I have 8 Gb and win8.1, and I must say I haven't felt restricted, never, not even once. I've had LoL minimized, Witcher 2 in one screen, while watching some HD movies on the other. 16 Gb may be futureproof, but not needed in any way today, unless you render or something like that.

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Yeah, i know. It all comes down to personal usage. I run a browser with enough tabs that it typically idles around 800mb ram in use. Then skype, terraria server, minecraft server, random crap, folders and other stuff, and then games and anime/movies at the same time. Obviously i'm stupid and overusing it, but i don't want him to be able to come running later complaining that he's doing the same thing, and we should have warned him =P

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Fair enough :-D

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If you can choose OS yourself, maybe windows 7 would be a better pick? It keeps the "designed for touch screen" bull separate, and works pretty well according to my own experiences. Linux is of course always an option, especially if you already know how to navigate it properly. That's really more of a personal taste thing. And depending on the distro, you might be fine with just 4gb if you run linux. Might feel a bit tight if you both run browser, personal servers and high-end games at the same time, but definitely doable.

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True. I might have come on a little strong about the RAM, but i got 8 a few years ago, (i'm a laptop man myself), and i'm kind of feeling it being a little too little at times already. Of course this comes down to your usage, and 8GB is fine for quite a while yet, as long as you don't try to run several things at the same time.

1333 is probably fine as well, but i don't really see a noticeable price difference between 1333 and 1600, so why pick the worse option? I haven't checked benchmarking of those two, so you could be right of course, but i know ~1000 have been known to bottleneck on higher end pc's.

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Thanks for the advice, especially the last part. I'll verify that. The laptop does come with stock cooling paste, but the premium edition says it can cool temps 5-15 degrees C more than the stock version.

Not to be a bother, but do you think that custom is better than stock?

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Depends on what kind they are using. But just about anything is better than the stock paste.

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Depends on what you mean by "better". Stock computers are mass-produced and therefore often slightly cheaper for what you're getting, but it can be hard finding what you're actually looking for.

I was lucky to find and acquire one of a fairly limited stock of ASUS laptops, put together by "Republic of Gamers", which i've been very happy with since. Maybe you can find what you're looking for in limited stock somewhere, without having to shell out the big bucks to get to choose yourself?

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Republic of gamers is Asus and has been for years. What kind of limited stock is yours?

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well if you put it like that, maybe i've been ripped off. i was informed that it was made in pretty small quantities. I'm still happy with it though.

It's a G75VW-V3GM

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That is still a nice laptop. Google just told me that it was around 2 grand when released. Asus makes some nice gaming laptops but they are a pain to upgrade compared to any of the Clevo based systems

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Yeah, i paid roughly that for it. Same with my last one. While it's indeed quite a sum, i also keep them running perfectly fine for 7-8 years each, so in the end it's probably no more costly than buying the cheap ones and changing every 2 years instead.

Admittedly, since it's performing as well as i want it to, i haven't ever even bothered looking into upgrading it. You might be right that it's a bit locked down compared to other laptops, but i doubt you'll see me sitting around overclocking my lappies anyway =P

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I upgraded from a g53 because it was just getting too bogged down. I really miss using my 3d glasses because they do not work on this years Asus laptops. 3d vision is not compatible with nvidia optimus and that is just annoying

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I use glasses normally, so using 3d glasses somehow always bothered me. I can see how that would be annoying though, if you're used to using them. What did you upgrade to then? I mean, a g53 would still be viable with most games/demanding software today?

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Oops, I meant g51. It was horribly bottlenecked by the gtx 360m. Not to mention the horrid battery life. I'm a truck driver so I have to run an power invertor and had to keep the truck running just to browse the internet with that thing.

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Ah, fair enough. Yeah i suffer pretty badly from poor battery life as well =P i'd say i've had mine ~2 years now, and i think my battery will last me 25 minutes ;)

It's my own fault of course for keeping it plugged in at all times, and just letting the battery deteriorate, but eh, it's enough to keep it alive long enough to save stuff, in case a blackout should ever happen.

With regards to leaving your engine running... I don't know what kind of gas prices you pay there, but maybe paying those 40$ for a replacement battery every 2-3 years might be beneficial to using the gas like that?

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I thought of that but I needed some good excuses for the wife to give in and let me get a new laptop. Logic had no place in that conversation

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8 to 16GB should be the right amount. If he wants to upgrade later he can go with 8GB otherwise he should go with 16GB.

A GTX 970M seems ok. It's ~20% slower than the GTX 980M, the higher price isn't worth it in my opinion. (Crysis 2 on "Ultra" settings should run smoothly too)

Bus speed: Usually those stores never advise upgrade options that aren't compatible with the stuff that's already build in. But you are right, Intel (CPU specs website by intel: ark.intel.com) itself tells that 1333 or 1600 is the optimal bus speed for their CPUs.

+1 to the rest :D

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The 780 isn't vastly superior to the 920. Well, performance wise it might be, but as far as heat build up and battery life the 920 is a better option.

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You're definitely right, that the 920 performs admirably with very limited resources, and is a strong pick for anything but a gaming computer. But if you're looking at what he's presenting as choices, i can't imagine that being anything but a gaming beast? And there i'm fairly sure that the 920 performance will fall short.

9 years ago
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I've got a 750jm from earlier this year and it has the 860m and it does pretty decent. but I usually just mess around with modding skyrim and minor video editing

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This videos could be useful for you:
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980M and 970M
ASUS G751 Review

The video from Linus are pretty good in general btw. :)

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That 751 is nice. Makes me regret getting the 750jm earlier this year. Oh well, I can buy it next year

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i7, 8g ram, 980 or 970 graphics, with paste (the more cooling the better, especially in gaming).

there are also some stands with fans to put under the laptop which could help keep it cool.

if you are on the grid, take the battery out for gaming. lithium batterys degrade the faster the hotter they are.

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Did not know that about the battery. Thanks for the tip :)

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I'd rather have my battery degrades faster than having risk of my laptop getting damaged because of sudden power failure.

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Don't forget that it will probably be using Optimus which can be annoying when maxing out your performance. (Just an FYI)

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For units like this it's often just a Clevo custom build re-badged to the 3rd party vendor's branding. In these cases I prefer to go Sager over most other rebrandings, but that's a personal preference.

The Sager NP7378 ( http://www.sagernotebook.com/index.php?page=product_customed&model_name=NP7378 ) offers (Xidax specs in parenthesis next to each item):

  • Intel i7 4710MQ (same)
  • 17.3" 1080p Matte display (15.6" 1080p)
  • 1x8GB 1600MHz RAM (2x2GB 1333MHz RAM)
  • NVIDIA GeForce 860M 2GB (same)
  • 1TB 7200RPM HDD [as a free upgrade selection] (WD Black 750GB 7200RPM HDD)

This is for $1099 (+tax/S&H, if applicable). Seems like a far superior solution vs. the Xidax build considering the cost and spec differences. The Xidax XM-5 looks eerily similar to the Sager NP7358, but the NP7358 even has 8GB of RAM and the 1TB 7200RPM free upgrade at a total cost of $1079.

EDIT: Sager's also offering the Intel 7260 AC dual band wireless card as a free upgrade on both models I listed above. Really seems like a no-brainer now.

FINAL EDIT: Your second build won't even work as expected. The video card should need some kind of shadow caching/texture caching in RAM as well, so a 6GB of memory on the video card with 4GB RAM before the OS is a terrible choice.

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Single channel RAM, they seriously do that? I know there are only 4 RAM slots with a (combined) maximum of 32GB, but slowing the system down by not using 2*4GB is kinda awkward.

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It isn't as much of an issue with newer architectures.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/1349-ram-how-dual-channel-works-vs-single-channel/Page-3

Quote: "Gamers, mainstream users, and office users shouldn't care. Actually, at the end of the day, the same rule applies to everyone, simulation pro or not: It's density and frequency that matters, not channeling. Quad- and better channels theoretically have a more profound impact, but this is in-step with the increased density of kits that are targeted for quad-channel platforms. If you want to push speed, density and frequency should be at the top of your list. Generally, when you're spending that kind of money, you're going with a multi-channel kit of two or more anyway, but the point still stands."

The 1600MHz frequency of a single stick far outweighs the benefits of a dual channel configuration at 1333MHz.

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Totally forgot it's about gaming. :D

But they are right, I went with 16GB instead of "only" 8GB with my re-branded Clevo.

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I would likely do the same thing, but depending on what the company is charging I'd go to Newegg and order it there vs. paying the near-criminal rates 3rd parties charge for RAM upgrades.

My thought process (and build-up of anger) typically goes something like this: "So you were willing to give me one 8GB 1600MHz stick of RAM for 'free', but to upgrade to 2x8GB 1600MHz sticks I have to pay full retail price for the kit?" At this point I resolve to go with the 8GB, pay the retail price for the 16GB kit on Newegg, then swap the RAM once the laptop arrives. Typically I try to sell or pawn off the 8GB stick I have sitting around to recoop some of my cost, then feel better about myself for saving a few bucks.

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Problem lies in the non-option pricing, so the option itself is quite cheap, but to be honest we get awesome devices which have the hardware we wanted and which is tested before shipping. That should be worth a couple bucks

9 years ago
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This is actually really interesting. Thank you, i'll be reading that article for sure, as while i knew a better bus-frequency were preferable, i were lacking some direct knowledge on how what affects what.

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I think I'm going to get rid of the 860 option, its just too underpowered. I want my machine to last.

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It always depends on how much money you want to spend and how long you want to use the device until you buy a new one.

The 970M and 980M are powerful, so you get the most out of your system for a much longer time.

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In that case Sager has you covered again. The Sager NP8278 has the same specs as above, but it uses an 870M 3GB instead of the 860M 2GB. Costs $1299, though.

http://www.sagernotebook.com/index.php?page=product_customed&model_name=NP8278

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GTX970M option is +$200($1499), but this should be worth it.

9 years ago
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Yeah, definitely going to go for a 900-series model.

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laptops are a waste. if your out and about, observe the world, not stare at some screen.

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Not quite what I meant. I don't stay much at home because its inconvenient to travel back from home to classes to work to classes again, and I have a lot of free time in the middle.

9 years ago
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No, really, you should go outside more often... and show off your new laptop to everyone. :D

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MSI GT72 DOMINATOR PRO for the win!!

9 years ago
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Do what you want... including paying for features you wouldn't even use: 4x M.2 -_-

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Bump for edit

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I'm also in the starting blocks for a GeForce GTX 970M / GTX 980M machine.

I had favored the ASUS ROG Series, but recently this Awesome Baby, the Aorus X7 Pro has been entering the competition...

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