Geez, just another reason to go back in time and stop Greenlight from happening. Quoting a comment from IGN: "There is no hope for our game, let me make sure people know I'm a douche though..."
And, WHY would they put it in such a bundle if they didn't know wether it was going to sell well or not?
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to be super fair. . . devs need more then 50C a copy to keep afloat. I mean then again they shouldn't have put their game in a greenlight bundle. . I mean generating keys don't cost them more and the customers can play the game already. . .but the need to own a steam copy for most is really important. . . I uno.
To be fair before IGN said anything no one really cared.
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To be more fair... A dev shouldn't make promises they don't intend to keep.
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goes for both sides. . .
as they said
"Stained has got only 300+ votes over the 2 week of the bundle launch. The was very poor response compared to what we had expected. Also average number sold for any bundle was 10k and for us it was only 3500 units. Considering this poor response we got from debut bundle (which was suppose to get us greenlighted) we don't see it has contributed at all in getting us on steam."
AKA people didn't vote for it on the green light To be a devils advocate buying the greenlight and voting for it are two parts of the way the indie royale works. . . Both sides aren't holding up the contract. By Steam's account only 300 people gave a shit till now.
The rest are using this as a "OMG the world is crashing down cause I'm getting ripped off because I have a game I can't play on steam"
EDit I own The Debut Bundle 3 . . . there are many games where the game has been greenlit and the devs are just not saying anything. I give props to the Dev who say hey we messed up over the we are just gonna keep quiet and let them forget.
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Just to clarify did they promise keys to people who voted and bought the bundle or just people who bought the bundle?
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they promised keys to us. . . but at least they came out and said something rather then the devs of:
Recruits (Build a Greenlight Bundle, IndieGameStand)
Armikrog. (kickstarter)
WARMACHINE: Tactics (kickstarter)
Delver's Drop (kickstarter)
all promised keys not given yet. . . one dev comes out and is honest we drop a shit.
Chroma Squad (kickstarter)
Road Redemption (Indiegogo)
Depth Hunter (Be In The Game, Build a Bundle 2, Green Light Bundle 3)
Dino Run SE (The Summer Bundle, Green Light Bundle, IndieGameStand)
Exoplanet: First Contact (Adventure Role Playing Groupee, SciFi 2 Bundle)
Project Black Sun (IndieFort 3)
Rawbots (developer website, Build A Greenlight Bundle 3)
Reprisal (The Fall Bundle, IndieGameStand)
Shadow of the Eternals (kickstarter)
Fibrillation (Eclectic Delights, Indie Gala Colossus)
Hyper Light Drifter (kickstarter)
McDroid (The Debut Bundle, IndieGameStand)
FOTONICA (IndieGameStand)
J.U.L.I.A. (Kiss Groupee, Cerebral Bundle)
Neverending Nightmares (Kickstarter)
Enamel (Build a Greenlight Bundle 2)
I Shall Remain (Build a Greenlight Bundle)
OddPlanet (GamesRage, The Humble Weekly Sale: Multimedia Fusion 2)
Paper Monsters (Green Light Bundle)
Private Infiltrator (Build a Greenlight Bundle, IndieGameStand)
The Real Texas (The Spring Sun Bundle, IndieGameStand)
Suguri Collection (Acceleration Of Suguri X-Edition was in The Summer Bundle, Suguri Collection was in Let's Build a Doujin Bundle 2!)
Luminesca (IndieGameStand)
Rogue’s Tale (The Hellish Dungeons Bundle)
Bollywood Wannabe (The Debut 4 Bundle)
Smooth Operators (Indie Gala 9, Retro Groupee, The Hasty Yet Heroic Majeyal Space Operator Bundle)
Chasm (Humble Store, developer website, kickstater)
Survive (The Sigma Bundle)
Enola (Alpha Funding Groupee, IndieBundle Horror Bundle, Ajay's Bundle)
Frogatto & Friends (Build a Bundle 7, IndieGameStand)
Guns N Zombies (Green Light Bundle)
Ichi (Green Light Bundle, Indie Underdog Pack 2, The Graduation Bundle, Indie Gala Mobile 2, Green Light Bundle 4)
Masterspace (The Hasty Yet Heroic Majeyal Space Operator Bundle)
Mobiloid (IndieGameStand)
Pitiri 1977 (Indie Gala Mobile, The Humble Weekly Sale: Multimedia Fusion 2)
Potatoman Seeks the Troof (Green Light Bundle 3, The Hammerhead Bundle, Groupees Spotlight: Pixeljam)
Residue (Build a Greenlight Bundle 3)
Rooks Keep (Build a Greenlight Bundle 3)
Wyv and Keep (The Alpha Collection 1, IndieGameStand)
Marvin's Mittens (Build a Bundle 5)
Farm for your life (Casual Groupee)
MANOS: The Hands of Fate (The Humble Weekly Sale: Multimedia Fusion 2)
Claustrophobia: The Downward Struggle (The Debut 8 Bundle)
Inverto (Build a Greenlight Bundle 4, IndieGameStand)
Ghostship Aftermath (Build a Greenlight Bundle 4)
Reversion (Cerebral Bundle, Build a Greenlight Bundle 2, Indie Adventure Bundle, The Debut 6 Bundle)
Millennium 2: Take Me Higher - (Groupees Build a Bundle 5, The Debut 7 Bundle, Groupees Spotlight)
Millennium 3: Cry Wolf - (The Debut 8 Bundle, Groupees Spotlight)
Millennium 4: Beyond Sunset (The Debut 10 Bundle, Groupees Spotlight)
Pulse Shift (The Debut 7 Bundle, Starting 2014 Like a Boss, IndieGameStand)
Splatter (Be Mine 9, IndieMeadow Greenlight Bundle, IndieMeadow Holiday Bundle)
Uprising 44: The Silent Shadows (Flying New Year Bundle, Capsule Computers Bundle 2)
Dwarf Quest (Build a Greenlight Bundle 3, Green Light Bundle 3)
Doom & Destiny (IndieGala Summertide, The Debut 10 Bundle)
HyperSonic 4 (Build a Greenlight 2, Get Loaded Indie Edition, Groupees Kiss 2, Groupees Kiss 2 Reloaded)
Livalink (Be Mine Anniversary, Groupees Spotlight)
Magicians & Looters (Build a Greenlight Bundle 5)
Curse of Blackwater (Build a Greenlight Bundle 4)
Diadra Empty (The Debut 4 Bundle)
Fall Weiss (The Indie Strategy Bundle, Truly Indie Games)
Sledgehammer / Gear Grinder (Indie Gala 3)
Ampu-Tea (Kiss Groupee 2, Kiss 2 Reloaded, Lazy Guys Bundle: Starting 2014 Like a Boss)
Project Night (Be Mine X, IndieMeadow Holiday Bundle)
Shadows on the Vatican (Build a Bundle 2, Eclectic Delights, Kiss Groupee 2, Indie Adventure Bundle)
Micron (The Lunar Bundle)
Operation Smash (IndieGameStand)
GoScurry (A Bundle of Love for Brandon, GamesRage)
Ubersoldier II (Build a Bundle)
Arson and Plunder (Build a Bundle 8)
ASA: A Space Adventure (The Debut 4 Bundle)
Final Slam 2 (The Mixer Bundle, joining the Steam group Who's Gaming Now and voting for Greenlight)
Jamsouls (The Debut 5 Bundle)
Six Sided Sanctuary (Indie Bundle, IndieGameStand)
Roaming Fortress (Indie Gala October, IndieFort Spring Bundle 2014)
Three Dead Zed (Capsule Computers Groupee, Bundle4Dead, IndieFort Championship, IndieGameStand)
Crow (Build a Greenlight Bundle 2)
Elliot Quest (Big Bad Bundle 2: The Sequel, IndieGameStand)
I Get This Call Every Day (Cerebral Bundle)
PARAGON (Humble Bundle of Love for Brandon)
Spectrum: A puzzle platformer (Flying Greenlight Bundle)
Wimp: Who Stole My Pants? (The Debut Bundle)
FRONTIERS - Explore ● Discover ● Survive (kickstarter)
Detective Case and Clown Bot in: Murder in the Hotel Lisbon (The Debut 8 Bundle)
Dreaming Sarah (Retro Groupee 3)
Echo of the Wilds (Be Mine 12)
The Oil Blue (The Xmas Bundle, IndieGameStand)
Reef Shot (Adventure Role Playing)
Sky Nations (Indie Bundle, Humble Bundle of Love for Brandon, IndieGameStand)
SmashBox (Who's Gaming Now Steam group)
Trace Vector (Groupees BAGB 5)
Woodle Tree Adventures (Build a Bundle 6, Who's Gaming Now Steam Group)
Reperfection (Groupees Spotlight, IndieGameStand)
Spy Chameleon - RGB Agent (IndieGameStand)
Flashout 2 (Who's Gaming Now Steam Group)
Immortal Defense (developer's website)
The Girl and the Robot (Indie Gala Greenlight Bundle)
Loot Hero (Bundle Yourself: Killjoy Games, Insanity Rush!, Indie Gala Greenlight Bundle)
Kingdom Elemental (Shiny Loot Bundle)
Too Many Me (The Royale with Cheese Bundle)
6180 The Moon (The Debut Bundle, Groupees Retro 3)
Another Perspective (Groupees Retro 3, Lazyguys Night Sky)
The Escapist (IR Gaming Tuesday)
Evil Pumpkin (voting on greenlight/joining dev group)
The Few (GamesRage Polandball)
Gearcrack Arena (IR Debut 12, Who's Gaming Now)
The Land of Eyas (Who's Gaming Now)
Man In A Maze (Groupees BaGb 4, Lazyguys Night Sky)
Memories Of A Vagabond (IndieMeadow Holiday, DailyIndieGame Super Bundle 1, LazyGuys Blurred Shapes)
Metal Dead (Groupees BaB 2, Bundle In A Box Adventure Bundle, Indievania Bundle for Dead)
Metal Planet (The Debut 7 Bundle, IndieMeadow Holiday, LazyGuys: Blurred Shapes)
Rhythm Destruction (IR Debut 6, Flying Moonrise, LazyGuys Night Sky, DailyIndieGame Super Bundle 2, Bundle Bandits Insanity Rush)
Whitewash (Build a Bundle 8)
Aeon Command (IndieFort Countdown Bundle, Green Light Bundle 3, Build a Bundle 6, The Debut 4 Bundle)
Dead Bits (Who's Gaming Now!? group, Groupees Spotlight)
Entropy (The Pancake Bundle)
Great Permutator (The Arclight Bundle, Starting 2014 Like a Boss, IndieGameStand, DailyIndieGame, DIG Super Bundle 2)
Heavy Fire: Afghanistan (key for voting)
Heileen (Winter Wolves Manga Game Bundle, Capsule Computers Every Monday 8)
The Howler (Build a Greenlight Bundle 3, The Debut 13 Bundle)
Ocean City Racing (Truly Indie Games, Build a Greenlight Bundle 3, Capsule Computers Every Monday 7)
Orborun (Bundle Yourself: Killjoy Games, The Mixer 3 Bundle, Moon Landing, DailyIndieGame, DIG Super Bundle 2)
POP: Methodology Experiment One (Flying Bundle 5, Humble Bundle of Love for Brandon, The Valentine's Bundle 2.0, Humble Giveaway)
Rush for Glory (Build a Greenlight Bundle 5, Indie Gala Greenlight Bundle)
Suicide Guy (key for voting)
Toxic Bunny HD (The Debut 13 Bundle)
Real Heroes: Firefighter (Fire and Ice)
Some are coming out. . . but most are just keeping silent.
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Why should we be more gentle with them because they made it public that they went back on their word? If going back on your word is innately wrong then the circumstances shouldn't matter.
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I uno honesty holds good in my books. I mean it's not like they are saying screw you. They are saying look this is where we are and why.
Did you say yes to them being greenlit. I mean it wasn't even a greenlit bundle. They said they'd give free keys if they got green lit. Out of the 10 k who bought the bundle only around 300 saw the post about the free key. . .
I should be pissed I bought the bundle and said yes. It seems only a few of us aren't going crazy over paying 50c for a non steam game. If a person promises something to me but can't pull through and they are honest about it. . I listen.
Only a true asshole says fuck you to someone being honest. That's what these Devs did they were honest to the public and people are looking for their torches. Cauz Internet. Read what they said and their reasons I'm pretty OK with their reasoning. It's not like they just don't want to.
anyway if you don't agree fine. . you still have their game. Be happy you only paid 50c for it and don't support them anymore.
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People aren't saying fuck you. People are saying "I want the key I was promised by you." There is a difference lol. He is being honest but his reason for not giving out the keys is not nearly good enough. He is saying: You paid for product A+B but you will only get product B if C happens but I won't tell you about that. We didn't agree to get the key if the game sold well and being honest eventually is not the same as just being honest. If he truly wanted to only give out keys if the game did well then he should have stated that instead of asking us to pay again for a product that we should have already gotten. If you bought two bundled magazine subscriptions and they only decided to send you one and told you that you had to pay again to get the other one would that be acceptable? I think not. So why should it be acceptable here? You can be empathetic to him all you want, hell I am empathetic to him to, but that doesn't make what he did okay.
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true but still people are over reacting. Really only the people who read the post and actively bought it for that reason should be blowing up is my point.
If people saw the post then they have a right to bitch. I'm guessing that's around 500 people tops.
My main point this is more a case of some people finding out about the promise because the dev said something.
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Well I can agree with that but that is the internet for you. And that is a very common moral question. Is it better to tell the truth even if it makes people upset? Just like any philosophical dilemma there is really no right answer. A Kantian would say yes and a Utilitarian would probably say no and a hundred other people would have a hundred different answers. So I guess the short answer is that who knows! Lol. But we do know that you believe his decision was right and I believe it to be wrong and that is about all we can know :P but thanks for the fun little debate.
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I guess at the bottom line this just proves how broken the whole Greenlight thing is, and how Steam is warping things on the PC gaming marker:
Developers feel the need (rightfully or not) to bribe people with free steam keys to come out on top of a popularity context, and yet there's nothing holding them accountable for not keeping up with the promises they make.
That just sets up lose-lose scenarios: Devs lose out because they're not actually selling, customers don't get what they were promised).
But going back on a promise you made is something you should just not do, as it'll taint your reputation for a very long time. Drom what little I know, getting the keys is costly but not expensive enough to ruin your business as a developer, where in today's environment getting a bad rep is enough to put you out of business half of the time - more if you're a startup indie.
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You may want to double check some of those as I know a few of the ones listed have had keys issued.
Heileen (Capsule Computers Every Monday 8)
Rush for Glory (Indie Gala Greenlight Bundle)
Rhythm Destruction (LazyGuys Night Sky)
Gearcrack Arena (IR Debut 12, Who's Gaming Now)
Dreaming Sarah (Retro Groupee 3)
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"The whole idea of participating in the indie royale debut bundle was to get us green lighted." from http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/discussion/92920386/846958223146404843/, now when they're "Green lighted" thanks to these ppl who spend their money on them and voted for their game, they can say, "thanks for helping, and...fuck you!!". Good I didn't bought their game, and things will go worse.
"we are poor and don't like giving you keys" is not a reason, they don't lose money, seems this devs "expect" to much, they expected more votes and more contribution to that Indie Royale Bundle, but not happened, now they expect selling a lot of copies of their game on Steam and not giving keys to ppl who they promised because they feel to much confident in them selves, but what gonna happen is they won't sell a lot of copies on Steam, they will just make ppl angry.
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If they think people will buy the game full price on Steam when they should receive the key they are supposed to have... the game is not selling now, this won't get better with a shitstorm like that.
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"the game is not selling now, this won't get better with a shitstorm like that."
Isn't it better to have word out about it? Keeping quiet doesn't really do much.
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hmm. On one hand got to appreciate the devs being honest about the game not taking off like expected. (and from what I've seen, this game deserves at least half a chance) On the other hand, got to not love devs backing out of prior commitments.
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On the third hand: if they think the game will never make any money, now is the time to make it F2P on Steam
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Well, maybe this game didn't do so well for them but it's crap like this that'll make sure their next game won't do very well either. If you're a small indie studio and your only other game has a story like this attached to it then you're gonna get more hate than Phil Fish.
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The reason why the game is not doing well is simple, people don't even know it exists. I think it was the developers of Dustforce that talked about the value of bundles & how it helps a game get more attention, which in turn results in sales. A bunch of people buys the bundle and starts playing the game. Other people notice that those people are playing the game or those people talk about the game with their friends, who in turn take a look at the game, and if it looks like something that they would enjoy, they might end up buying it. The developers of Stained just decided to ignore this advice and instead land themselves in the no attention land. The only people who really care about this story are the ones who bought the bundle, the rest won't really take notice and the annoyed people who don't get the game that they were promised tell their friends to not buy the game.
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this games (shitty games) are flooding on steam since greenlight. a lot of ppl vote to win the free key for a (bad)game that they will never play, only for filling their library. it came to a point that only vote to win games will be on top list of greenlight and good games that really need support will never enter on steam...
(sorry for bad english not my primary language)
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Greenlight is a bright idea on paper. Gamers choosing games they want to buy on Steam from low profile indie devs. In reality it's a totally messed up way to get games on Steam and the bundle 'exploits' are the worst. Make a greenlight bundle and be more or less sure that enough people will pay the low price to gamble for Steam keys. Don't get your key? Well, in this case the dev knows the game is pants and won't sell, so screw reputation and just piss everyone of hoping for those 10-15 people that will fork out 10$ because they didn't get their bundle key. The other way around would be the way to go really. Forking out those 1k+ keys to get some mouth-to-mouth promotion and THEN sell a few more copies at full price. But yeah, devs aren't marketing guys and they make all the wrong decisions once things don't go all sparkly Ferrari-in-the-garage-after-a-week.
tl;dr: Idiotic way to handle things and those devs lost more than they gained by not handing out the free keys.
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I put off emailing the dev for a key this past week, so looks like I'm out now. Funny how they promised keys, actually started giving keys, then backed out and quit.
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Maybe I should just chip in and say that it actually costs nothing for developers to provide keys for their greenlit games, a promise is a promise, but oh well, I would rather pay for an actual game that is good rather then getting crap from indie games in greenlight most of the time
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I think it's because they want people to rebuy the game.
Or maybe fear people will resell them.
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i've bought every one of indie royale's debut bundles. i completely ignore them until they get greenlit and i get a key to add to steam, at which point they end up on the backlog with everything else, to be played eventually.
so no, i didn't have my share of enjoyment, and most of the debut bundle participants would never have even seen 50 cents from me if they hadn't been in a bundle. i'm almost expecting them to wait a few days and say "okay we hear you guys -- free keys as promised for everyone who already bought the game" because i've seen it enough times now. it almost seems like a good pr move
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"I know I can already download and fully play the game I bought, but GIVE ME A KEY TO ACCESS IT FROM ELSEWHERE ON THE INTERNET, YOU ASS!"
Why is this a conversation that occurs in the modern gaming community?
Further, what do they even have to lose from this? If the numbers in the article are to be believed, they are already essentially bankrupted. Everyone who is screaming about refusing to buy their game already had no intention of buying their game.
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Gamers are spoiled brats or something. I remember when they claimed "Rockin Android" promised steam keys (they did not) and put them on some sort of "blacklist" (Which is the craziest thing I ever heard, taking gaming WAY too seriously if you have a blacklist of anyone in it)
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I don't know why they thought revoking keys was a good idea lol
It seems they are fixing things:
Just got an email from the IR representative, they are going to update the accounts directly in their system, and begin distributing the keys. I don't have exact ETA on this but they said it will be soon.
So there won't be any change for those who already got the keys and installed the game in steam. For others the key will appear on their IR page soon. Please be patient.
I appreciate all helpful suggestions.
Thanks
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Although of course I want keys, I should point out one reason why many devs do this:
There are a lot of people out there that buy up bundles and then resell the keys (or distribute them in some other way to make a profit, eg. Tremorgames.) These actually do hurt sales, because those keys go to people who don't have the game at all.
Not that I'm saying that that justifies it, but it's a real concern -- they're going to inevitably be distributing hundreds of keys to sites like Tremorgames, which will proceed to use them to directly compete with their own sales.
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Game called STAINED (Not sure why IGN made an article about it. They never did for games with the same situation. Slow news day I guess.)
Shit like this is why I don't buy greenlight bundles and +1 to the free greenlight key things(Though I have other reasons for that too.)
Sure it doesn't happen very often but these past couple months, it seems to be happening more than it used to.
Love this quote.
"If you really love this game you should consider buying it on steam else I think you already had your share of enjoyment when you purchased the game via IR-Bundle for 50 cents."
WHY AREN'T YOU GIVING US MORE MONEY?! GREEDY BASTARDS!
From steam page.
"Update 1>>>>>
That was really fast. Just got a message from IR representative.
There hopefully is a way around it
Update 2
Just got an email from the IR representative, they are going to update the accounts directly in their system, and begin distributing the keys. I don't have exact ETA on this but they said it will be soon.
So there won't be any change for those who already got the keys and installed the game in steam. For others the key will appear on their IR page soon. Please be patient.
I appreciate all helpful suggestions.
Thanks"
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