# (Closed)[Puzzle restored] (Chour's Revenge!) [SOLUTION]

## Solution below!

I derped (closed original post). Sorry, guys. You can find old thread HERE for additional info if you want to.

## Afraid of wall of text? Don't worry. Just skip to Big hints below under 'hints' section. You will finally be able to solve it. I guarantee!

Foreword.

This puzzle is a tribute to this brilliant puzzle made by Award. At first it was intended as both a revenge and a contribution. Sadly it never evolved into a contribution but stayed revenge instead (nobody solved it). But I am satisfied now so I beg you to solve this one! Please! It's just a little bit harder in one piece and a little bit easier in other pieces.

End of foreword.

## Puzzle. ---------> No hints, answers, solutions or any kind of spoilers!

• For your first seed to grow do not seek the help of either dwarfs, little indians or kings. Instead look for the courage of knights and the council of watching angels.

• Your second seed will rot if planted on black Friday by black women in the name of Kali with the help of the Devil and his circles.

Tips.

Part 1.

• There are two giveaways. No contributions are needed :D
• You really want to read Award's puzzle and its solution. Here
• You want to check if his solution is real :P
• You don't need to understand symbols and faces
• You want to understand what alpha function is. For that answer Q1 and Q4 of Award's quiz correctly.

Part 2.

• You don't want to use alpha function in its original form, you need its essential part modified
• You want a code that's not giveaway code
• You need two seeds. Only they STAND out. Only they have this in common.

End of tips

It contains hints which should be available in 2 days time. 1 solver is me :P

## Timer!

Hints.

• 1). It should be easy(?) for those who solved Award puzzles.
• 2). I've divided TIPS into 2 parts for better understanding.
• 3). Q1 and Q2 of my quiz are for the 1st part of TIPS, Q3 and Q4 for the 2nd part.
• 4). If you get right answer to Q3 and don't know what to do - explore!
• 5). Answers to Q1 and Q2 can be input in only one possible way (one of the TIPS in Part 1 will tell you exactly how to do it).
• 6). General plan (but you figured it out already, didn't you?):
• Apply an alpha function to get 2 giveaway codes
• To properly apply an alpha function you need 3 parameters: a seed, a sequence of shifts and ...(not revealed yet but you do know what)
• To confirm these parameters you need to solve the quiz.
• 7). "Kings" from Q1 and "black women" from Q2 are from the same source.
• ## Big hints!

• 8). If you have problems with Q10 of 'Big hints!' quiz - try this one.

• 9). Hints that appear on main quiz (I misconfigured the quiz. They should have been available for all after 48 hours) + my comments:

1. "You do read books, don't you?" (Literature! Wiki! Also disregard "council", it was put for adornment)
2. "Black magic! All attributes of it!" (WIKI!)
3. "You must have seen it by now if you followed tips." (Look real deep into the picture of Award's puzzle).
4. "If they stand they do not ...." (a much better hint can be found in 'Big hints' if solved)
• 10). Macbeth, Hansel and Gretel, Snowhite, Roman de Brut, And Then There Were None

• 11). Q7,Q8,Q9 - maybe you haven't signed them?
• 12). Why do you think I really had to make a extra quiz for Q10 of 'Big hints'? It wasn't necessary in the original post!

End of hints.

Presents (it was my birthday on the 10th!) - finished

Bastion

End of presents

## Solution

The puzzle went through some evolution. Initially I thought people who solved Award's puzzle and saw my attempt at a puzzle there at "Civilization 5" giveaway would grasp the idea right away. I was wrong! So I made 'Big hints' to guide them along.

All right. The solution itself. Quizes are not case-sensitive so "A" and "a" will be accepted.

First Big hints:

• Q1: "E"
• Q2: "B"
• Q3: "-4-5+3-2-1"
• Q4: "87E0A"
• Q5: "IHPKL"
• Q6: "QRJON"
• Q7: "+5"
• Q8: "-2"
• Q9: "+10-1"
• Q10: "bj5zA" ---> alternative quiz for Q10: "TL2f3" or "bj5zA"

Really nice hints after that. See for yourself!

• Q7,Q8,Q9 should have given you the idea how to solve Q1 and Q2 of the main puzzle. When you saw something negative (either "not" or negative meaning word, e.g. "rot") you should have used "-", for "positives" "+".

• Q10 answer - is the code of the actual forum post of the puzzle. Since I derped and had to make another post - the answer was harder to find, so I made another quiz to make it easier.

Now you see. I really tried to train you for my main quiz:

MAIN QUIZ:

• Q1: "-7-10-8+12+14"
• Q2: "-13-3-1-15-9"
• Q3: "XFwCU"
• Q4: "9X" or "X9"

• Q1: The hardest in my opinion part. Until I posted the hint about "sources". Then it became the easiest. So they were a little too obscure "literary" references.

• "7 dwarfs" from "Snow white"
• "10 little indians" in the rhyme from "And then they were none"
• "8 kings" from "Macbeth"
• "12 knights of the Round table" - early references in "Roman de Brut"
• "14 angels" from a children's prayer from opera(?!) 'Hans and Gretel'

You could say it was impossible. But if you tried to google, say, "fourteen angels" you'll get the answer right away. Yep. It's guesswork. Not good. Thus hint about sources.

• Q2: Refers to devilry, witchcraft, black magic etc. They all "help to rot", so they are all "negative":

• 13 - Friday, the 13th.
• 3 "black women" or "witches". I linked "witches" and "kings" with one of the hints. "Macbeth"'s witches.
• 1 Kali, she's "black one"
• 15 the Devil, tarot card "the Devil", its number is "15". The only "obvious" number connected with word "Devil". Don't tell me it's hard. It's not. A little tricky but not hard! :P
• 9 circles of Hell
• Q3. That's a forum(!) code you encountered if you solved some extra puzzles in Award's big puzzle. You open the picture as an archive and there was a "message.txt". The code was right there before your eyes. When given enough attention to the actual solution written there you'll encounter two lines:

4WES0M3PUZLG1VAYNOH8KTXBIRCJDFQ25769

and

0ABCDEF12GHIJO3PQRSTUVXYZ4567W8KLMN9

They are alphabet strings containing exactly 36 characters as in the "original" alpha function.

## These lines were the core of my puzzle.

• Q4. "Seeds". If you compare two lines you could see that only characters "X" and "9" don't change there position, they "STAND".

Using seeds from Q4, alphabets from Q3 and shifts from Q1 and Q2 you'll end up with 4 codes. The quiz result message will give you format.

I liked 'Big hints'. Did you? :)

Award (2 years ago)

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Award (2 years ago)

BTW the wall of text people are scared of I think is more about my solutions rather than your puzzle >.>

Yep. It is. Maybe I wanted that way.

chour

(2 years ago)

chour (2 years ago)

Restored it!

Some misformating happening. Fixing it atm.

chour (2 years ago)

Added a hint to 'Big hints!' (#8). If you're attentive enough you'll know why it appeared. Heh.

chour (2 years ago*)

Well. Since there are still no summer sale game achievements why don't you just solve this 'Big hints' quiz? Common! More than 20 people solved Award's quiz and you can't solve this one???! It's so easy you can just fly through answers! Like one solver did! :)

chour (2 years ago*)

Added lots of hints to the main puzzle.

Just a reminder: actually you don't need anything from Award's puzzle to solve 'Big hints'.

P.S. Well, apart from alpha function but it's deductible from answers!

chour (2 years ago)

Also what hints do you need to solve 'Big hints'? It is just a walk-through for the main puzzle.

Nfreak (2 years ago)

My brain must be burnt out after Awards puzzle or something, I'm sadly not getting very far with this after trying many ideas. But I hope that the eureka moment will soon appear =)

"Big hints!" is piece of cake. Start with them!

chour

(2 years ago)

chour (2 years ago*)

More! More! You wanted more! Tricksy hint! (#10).

And another one for Big hints (#11).

Award (2 years ago)

That big hints puzzle needs moar solvers. C'mon! Now, do the latest hints actually help me..? xD

I'm probably overthinking everything, Q1-Q9 in the big one was easy enough, but the rest eludes me no matter what freaky ideas I try.. =)

Nfreak

(2 years ago)

Use hint #8 for Q10 (big hints), hint #10 for Q1 (main).

chour

(2 years ago)

Award (2 years ago)

I have transcended the riddle of the first seed.

Second is easier! WTG!

chour

(2 years ago)

chour (2 years ago)

Ok. Now we have 1 solver of the first stances. So you see all hints are working! I might say now the puzzle is absolutely solvable without some guessing! But first solve 'Big hints'! It's easy, damn! :P

chour (2 years ago*)

Since Award broke to one part of my puzzle I allow him to make 1 hint he may find useful for other solvers!

Also I'll be away from puzzle tomorrow for quite a long time. And if you're just utterly stuck somewhere - here's a chance to ask me!

chour (2 years ago)

Another hint(#12)!

chour (2 years ago*)

Looks like we have another solver of 'Big hints'! WTG!

Edit: wow, another solver!

chour (2 years ago)

Just to bump and clarify. Q1 was tough but now it's easy with hints. Q2 is easier than Q1. Wiki is your help!

I'll be away for 12 hours or more I think so... Behave! (means - solve it already!)

Award (2 years ago*)

I have solved most of the puzzle besides Q2 by now, even the original challenge/revenge. Not sure what you are missing/not seeing from the plenty of hints Chour has already given. But he allowed/asked me to give one not too obvious hint, I'm just not sure what should I hint about. So.. maybe just tell me folks, which question are you struggling with? Just remember not to spoil anything.

EDIT: also remember this is not an invitation to openly share hints :3 It's just because to certain extent his stuff is based on mine.

Well, I've yet to figure out Q1, Q2 and Q4 of the mainquiz. I have a vague idea of what to do but can't seem to get it right.

Nfreak

(2 years ago)

Hm I think Q1 and Q4 are already hinted pretty heavily by Chour here and in the big hints quiz. You seem to have progressed pretty far already and I'm not sure if I can add anything there...

Award

(2 years ago)

Award (2 years ago*)

Okay not many people answered.. I was hoping to give some hints about the Big Hints quiz, becuase you really need to solve it. I don't know why there aren't more solvers to that one. It gives you insight (bit "zen" style i.e. not directly - guides you to the understanding) what to do with the main puzzle, and when solved, it gives you imho rather very clear big hints what to do.

Ah well. So I'll do general hint on something you may be missing: my walls of text / solutions are useful. Note the plural.

And geezas follow all the hints that Chour gave you and go solve Big Hints quiz..

Almost done with the "Big Hints" quiz. I'm looking at the original puzzle just now, I don't want miss anything and getting that URL took me 10 minutes only.

BrutoDetestsSB

(2 years ago)

Just solved Big Hints.

BrutoDetestsSB

(2 years ago*)

Award (2 years ago)

This just in! I solved it xD Cmon cmon peeps

Congratulations! Now if I could just get Q1 and Q2 right, it feels like I'm really close but that's probably wrong. I joined you in the old revenge though. =)

Edit: now only Q2 still mocks me =)

Nfreak

(2 years ago*)

You can always brute-force one part :) Just be sure about the rest!

chour

(2 years ago)

I think I'm really close again, but I have to leave the computer for a while now, and when I get back the time will most likely be out, so I guess that's it for me =/

But thank you very much for the nice puzzle =)

Nfreak

(2 years ago)

chour (2 years ago)

Heyho! Two solvers on the first giveaway. One for the second! Tip for the second is the same (Wiki!)

chour (2 years ago)

Ok. Closed. Writing solution.

BigBadGoat (2 years ago)

Wanted to give it one last push, but when I finally had a chance there was only 1 hour to go and with Q2-4 still without answer I decided to give up. That said, thank you for this puzzle.

chour (2 years ago)

All right. Solutions posted. Let's rock-n-roll!

Thanks for the puzzle! I wish there were more solvers...

I actually liked the Big Hints part the most I think hehe it was key to solving everything. It taught me, zen style, what I should be looking for. Confirmed that you most likely changed the underlying alphabet of the alpha function, and it was not a huge leap at least for me to realize you have used for that the the two strings I supplied at the end of my very first puzzle. Now that the seeds came from there too was much harder to get, though solution to the big hints is a huge help with that. I also understood while doing it, that the q1 and q2 of main quiz are asking for the two shifts, though solution made that explicit.

Q1 was impossibru without hints, with hints it became easier than Q2, on which I ended up bruting the devil. But actually the first number I tried worked. OK not the first, the first was "6" as I thought 666 but it was too huge, but after I decided to do a countdown instead of up, 15 was right there.

Also thank you very much for the gift!

Award

(2 years ago)

You're welcome. Without your feedback I couldn't assess parts of my puzzle. It still turned to be of above average difficulty. Heh. Next time I'll make smth easier :)

chour

(2 years ago)

Indeed to few solvers, it's too bad not more people get to enjoy the awesomeness that these kinds of puzzles are. But well, it is kind of nice to be among the few who actually do =)

I too really liked the Big Hints part, before that I was pretty much lost trying fruitless theories. Without it I probably would never have gotten what kind of answers you wanted for Q1 and Q2. But I kept thinking knights was 13 and not 12 (excluding King Arthur himself I presume) and getting the kings wrong as well. But otherwise Q1 got pretty clear with the clue about sources (but impossibru before). Also I had forgot about those two strings and kept trying a simple reversed one, silly me. But the clues from solving big hints made me remember to look deeper.

In the end Kali and the Devil worked together to throw me of the scent for Q2, but congrats to Award for getting it!

Thank you very much for the puzzle and the games chour! It was frustrating but I loved it.

Nfreak

(2 years ago)

BrutoDetestsSB (2 years ago)

Well, Award won Assassin Creed 2, Nfreak won Thief Collection, and I won Macbeth, as I read the full text, not bad.

Ha. I knew it was worth mentioning!

chour

(2 years ago)

I read Macbeth in school actually as it was required, but detail like 8 kings.. Something like that totally escaped me. I have bad memory for details in books or movies (or I just care about them much), I do read books, just pretty much for the moment - and forget the details, even author name, title or main character's name. What can I say. I do remember the part with 3 witches, but not the actual prophecy verbatim. Some web searches though showed exactly what I needed.

Macbeth good stuff, though. Good stuff.

Award

(2 years ago*)

Zlia (2 years ago)

Heh, nice one. Guess I got stuck on the "positive" and "negative" stuff in the Big Hint. Well, that isn't so bad- the only one of those books for main quiz, that I have even the slightest idea of what actually happens in, is Snow White so I wouldn't have ever figured them out anyway. ^_^
Thank you for the puzzle and sorry I couldn't solve it. :D

Eventually I just gave away the sources for numbers! But oh well, maybe there was too much information :).

chour

(2 years ago)

zolwiciel (2 years ago)

the hardest part for me was to delve through award's puzzle to get key informations to solve this one. There was no clue where to look for the alphabet, and Awards puzzle is just to big not to miss something in there :D

Yes. It was hard to find w/o thorough search. But I did everything (with hints: big and #9) to make it easier!

chour

(2 years ago)

This topic is now closed.