"Note: Starting in the next few days, items purchased for Team Fortress 2 either in-game or on the Steam Community Market will not be tradable or marketable for one week after purchase. We are making this change to combat fraud and scams, and to help matain a safe and healthy item economy within Team Fortress 2."

http://steamcommunity.com/market/listings/440/Mann%20Co.%20Supply%20Crate%20Key

.... no comments valve, just 3 days before winter sale they screw up

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...What? Oh come on.

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Not only TF2. Cs and dota too.

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Whatever Steam did in 2014 was all to increase revenue in Steam Community Market.

Even a 0.01 price increase on ONE item made them earn thousands of dollars.They don't want TF2 Key prices to drop during the sale so they put this rule, if they actually wanted to fight with trade scams they could've made more strict trading rules and ACTUALLY ban people for scamming.

Trust me, I'm a Business Admistration student.Gems,events,untradable gift rules,new market changes everything was for revenue.

Steam is making some huge mistakes ...

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Well, the main purpose of an enterprise is to make money after all.

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even if that means completely disregarding their customers? steam is doomed, dude. do you hear me? STEAM IS DOOMED!

uhh, who am i kidding? GABEN SO STRONK.

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Lol yeah.
As a customer, i obviously find that it is a bad move.
But i am not surprised about that 'strategy'.

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They don't want TF2 Key prices to drop during the sale so they put this rule

I'm interested in hearing your reasons on TF2 Key price market speculation.

Wouldn't TF2 Key price go down instead? if people are less likely to buy keys from Steam Market (can't trade for games for 7 days), while sellers are still putting up keys (to get wallet for buy games, to get fund for on-demand selling). So Supply still goes up like other sales (perhaps at a lesser degree), while Demand goes down, therefore shouldn't market price be lower?

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we will wait and see but i think keys will matain their price, too. at very least they won't go down like the sales before. why?

where are those keys coming from? mostly from traders that buy games cheap on their store and sell on steamtrades or whatever. now the trades will significantly drop because of this change. therefore those traders won't need much of a fund to buy games and they won't get load with so many keys either. so why would they sell so many keys on market? sure they might sell some to fulfill the orders, but selling most of them -if not all- with paypal for real money or waiting for keys' price on market to go up is a smarter move.

but like i said we'll see what will happen after a short time anyway. i don't have paypal and sales are the only chance for me to buy keys cheap so i hope i'm wrong.

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As bananananana batma- I mean bananarepublic said,

People get their keys from Paypal TF2 key sellers because they have tradable keys available.Russians won't use community market to sell keys, they'll use Paypal and so on.But that wouldn't drop market prices for keys because you can easily sell a TF2 key for Paypal at 2$ almost anytime.People will stop using market, Steam will realize their mistake and revert the changes and bring an actual trade-protection system.

And they lived happily ever after.I mean we will.At least I will, I have a cheap Steam Store.

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it has nothing to do with scamming but to do with stolen credit cards and purchase on exploited accounts. they could care less if you get scammed in a trade.

the gem system is to offset some of the losses from locking the items.

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it has to do only to force customers to buy from their country store insted on russian store or other cheap stores that doesn't have the stupid euro

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You don't need to have a business major to see what favours the client and what favours the company.

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I don't have a problem with this.

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I like when they say " to help matain a safe and healthy item economy within Team Fortress 2"...
They even wrote maintain wrong!

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the whole concept is wrong tbh

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lol yea, seem to be fixed now

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It will be hard to buy and sell games now

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Thanks for the heads up btw.

I'll go write some Steam opposing posts again.

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Are you freaking kidding me..?

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yeah steam why not let us wait a week when we buy a game too, just to be safe?

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Nice plan, Lugum! GabeN will surely write down "don't allow playing a game for 7 days after purchase". HO HO HO. Happy Holidays! Father GabeN got a bag of restrictions for everyone!

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I laughed so hard on this xD

9 years ago
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Butchering trading a bit more :D

The moment to shut it down completely is coming close...

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This is not only for keys. This applies for all items.

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Haha, they must think we're idiots to not see what their real intention behind all this bullshit is. Why else would they put these restrictions on the 2 most exchanged items in game trading?

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They didn't just put it on two items, they put it on all TF2, all CS:GO and all Dota 2 Items, so it won't be recurring and so that we don't search for another currency.

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gifts - 1 month
keys - 1 week?

wheres the sence in that?

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Wont be surprised if they add "You can use send gift option only once per month, to avoid scam and fraud..."

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This is the one I am fearing mostly.

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not really a surprise, another sale...another change right before....
let me guess....trading-cards 2 weeks, steam-wallet-codes pending 8 weeks.....so many possibilities

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RIP Steamtrades

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All thanks to the guy in your pic :P

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Fk this

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Ikr?

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Wow they are really testing their customers' patience aren't they?

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Seems a lot like it, yeah.

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Thanks Valve, you guys are so awesome. No, really. >.<

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so RIP trading.And I was hoping to pick up some cheap games this winter,should have bought them during autumn sale.

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0€ for you this sales, Valve :D

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Yeah, don´t think there is a real difference between trading and sales.
Sales aren´t of any use for me now...

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No prob! they are making a lot from microtransactions from that gems auction fraud. And people will buy games on this winter sale.

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What's the thing with gems? I hear everyone complaining and saying volvo makez $$$$$$ from za gems.
I don't understand what gems do beside letting you bid on items. Can someone explain to me what's the thing with the gems?

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once you get 1000 gems in your inventory, you can "pack them" in a bundle of 1000 and sell on Market

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I love Gabe, but my heart can't take all this disappointment

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pfffffffffffff

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This may be a dumb question but if I were to buy some games from traders throughout the sale, would it be better to buy the keys now? During the sales, the key price would usually drop but I'm not sure about it now since this rule will be placed.

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You can't really do that because newly purchased gifts are also untradable for 30 days. And people probably won't sell the game with sale price after 1 month. So they basically killed trading... Sure you can buy the games via gifting but it's really not worth the risk.

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Actually when you trade with trusted trader you go first with your items (keys, tickets...) and he will send you a gift minutes after.

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Oh gtfo out of here with the "not really worth the risk" garbage. Yes, its very risky if you're dealing with someone who cant be trusted. But, there are dozens if not hundreds of traders on Steamtrades and other sites that have managed gift trading perfectly fine since the gift restriction has been in place. Its not stopped anything, just changed the method. I've made more than 30 trades since the new restrictions going first with keys or having the game gifted to me first. Not one issue.

Dont deal with noobs selling gifts. Deal with someone who has a track record and has proven themselves. There's more risk now, but your fears are Chicken Little garbage.

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Ok.

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Put another way, It's killed trading for anyone but the huge foreign traders.
If you're just starting out shit on repeatedly until you can build up a reputation.

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Basically harder for anyone who just started trading.
Everyone else with something like 50 rep or so is probably okay.

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How long back the first rep was posted also matters.

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It definitely will kill trading for people beginning with 0 investment. You could also wait for sales for wanted games that you know will sell well, stock up on 10 or so copies (more or less depending on your funds / how wanted you think the game will be) and wait for the sale and trade restriction to be over, then check the current pricing trend across the market (which usually rises significantly after a sale ends) and undercut by a decent percentage. Say the game is selling for -50%. You wait till a month after the sale, and see the pricing across the board has risen back to about "lowest possible unlocked regional price -10%". You put up your trade for the game for "lowest possible unlocked regional price -25%". You'll still be able to trade this way.

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maybe spend 5min and look into the seller.

but i'm sure that 2 game account that's been trading for 3 days but has everything 2 keys lower than the rest is a sure thing. ;)

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Yep. They're doing this exactly because of the sale coming.

If you're planning on trading for your Winter Sale games, get keys now before they become restricted. However, I wonder how it will affect keys already off market/in inventory.

This really is a bunch of shit.

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I agree. Well, I guess there goes most of my trading. Thanks for the answers!

9 years ago
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First the trading, now that, what the .... are you doing valve ¬¬?
I love steam but now with that things... I´m gonna hate valve and Gabe ¬¬

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Nice. They should have done this a long time ago.

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Always got PayPal ;)

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