Read this:
http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=968544

TL;DR: A guy with a 250+ game, $3k steam account gives away a couple of game boxes, including one he's activated on Steam. Much later serial from a box gets into the hands of a thief and they take control of steam account. Guy eventually gets account back after huge battle with Steam, but not before the thief trashs the account.

So how is it relevant to this site?

Well I've seen a couple of giveaways for retail keys for Steam games here. In this situation, wouldn't that leave the giftee in the same position as the guy who lost his account? IE someone else having the physical box with the Steam key on it, who could use that to take control of the steam account.

Thoughts?

1 decade ago*

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The worst thing that will happen is the gifted game will be removed (if game is obtained via illegal means). If it's a raw serial key not a gift then it's up to valve's discretion. But I think the user agreement you have to accept before you can enter serial numbers on steam gives valve the right to take your account if you use shady keys.

But I think there is more to the story, then what it appears. Once you lose control of the steam account (via hackers) then they use your account for whatever EULA violating, and fraud (including the use of stolen credit card numbers). Valve does warn to never accept gifts from people you don't know and don't trust to avoid being involve with the activities of these shady people. We must keep these shady people out of the community.

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The issue is not shady keys, but that someone with a boxed copy can contact support and claim they are the owner of your entire account.

1 decade ago
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I was iffy about the key giveaways before, now I'm definitely going to avoid them.
Even if the submitter is a good guy, you have no control over keys in someone else's possession and no guarantee their kid brother isn't going to post the keys on a forum somewhere and leave you screwed.

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If you are suspected of knowingly participating in fraud or illegal activities with the other party IE by accepting the gift or key when you know of the activities of the other person then you'll most defiantly will lose your account. If you are completely oblivious then you have a better case, and you most likely just lose the games acquired from the guilty party.

ccino the owner of the box is technically the owner of the game, but the game is linked to somebody else's account. It's a grey area that should be avoided. They would at best be able to claim that you stole that game. Your account can be froze and if it violates TOS (which it does I think) valve can do whatever they want with your account because you didn't play by their rules. Best advice don't post serial keys on this site for box/physical copies of games, and don't enter into any such giveaways. I think one of the mods opinion is to keep those (physical copy serial numbers) off the site. Unless they mail you the box and the CD long with the serial number you should not accept serial keys from physical copies.

If they can prove they own the box, discs, and can scan in the serial number, they can prove they are the physical owner of the game. If valve looks up the serial number linked to your steam account and it matches the other party's game then you look guilty.

And they are not the owner of your entire account they are just the own of one game. It would make you look like a thief so valve very well could do what they want with your account.

I think I'm beating a dead horse but I think you see what I'm getting at.

1 decade ago
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"And they are not the owner of your entire account they are just the own of one game."

But you can't separate them. The point is that Steam support can help you "recover" a lost or stolen account by proving you own the boxed CD key of a single game on that account. Whoever has the box tells support they were phished or whatever and Steam gives them ownership of the associated account.

"Unless they mail you the box and the CD long with the serial number you should not accept serial keys from physical copies."

That is the best advice.

1 decade ago
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Thanks for this thread, I didn't even think about CD keys being that much of an issue... Definitely do not see me knowingly joining a giveaway for a key now

1 decade ago
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Hmm. If they are giving away UNUSED Cd Keys here, there wouldn't be a problem. That CD Key was already tied to this guys account, and someone else got it eventually and tried to convince Steam that the account was really theirs (because the CD Key had already been used on that account). As long as people are giving away new, unused Steam Keys here, there shouldn't be any sort of similar problem.

Again. There is nothing wrong with giving away CD keys, but it is in the Gifter's and Gifted's best interest not to give away a CD key they have already used (obviously).

1 decade ago
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I've been giving away CD-keys from the start , so there won't happen to be any issue .

1 decade ago
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It just comes down to this:

  • You give away the Key (but still have the retail box)

  • Winner activates the Key on his account

  • You could claim at steam support that his account is yours and provide them a picture of the box incl. retail key and thats what may cause some trouble.

I am quite sure that nothing like this will ever happen here, but it is a possible theoretical scenario.

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There is no issue if the cd-keys are obtained legitimately and are unused.... The case posted by the OP is quite the opposite... I do agree with NurEin that a person with bad intentions could use this though....

1 decade ago
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Annnnnd.... I just got turned down when offering an invite. Apparently the key giveaways are poisoning the rep of the site already.

1 decade ago
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no one from this site has reported this happening.

1 decade ago
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Did they specifically say that's why they turned it down, or is this just an asumption?

1 decade ago
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A hasty assumption on my part. I asked for sources, as he said multiple people warned him the site was not legit.
I will confirm when I hear back.

1 decade ago
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It says Free Steam Games. That's enough to make everyone say it's not legit. Sadly, generosity is considered insane and therefore this site has to be a complete scam.

1 decade ago
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^this... some people cannot understand the concepts of generosity and sharing....

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BS.

1 decade ago
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This seems like a drama llama post.

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The OPs question is valid though. The gifting system on Steam is pretty trustworthy. If you're gifted a game, Steam knows where it comes from. If it was obtained via fraud, they can follow it home.
If you use keys from an unknown quantity, and which you have no control over, you could potentially be cut off from your account. The current big giveaways are from users who have a good rep within the community, but next week it could be someone who wants to 'jack accounts.
So the native gifting system of Steam offers some protection to the users and keeps the site's nose clean. Is Joe User going to know the issues that may come with using a key that's out in the wild?

Yeah, I sound like a 'gloomy gus', but this element of the system seems like it has the potential to blow up in some faces.

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It's up to the giftee's judgement. If someone sends them a key, ask for them to send it through steam instead, if they can't then it's probably not the best idea to activate. Most games given away are obtained during steamsales, so it's odd to have a game on sale that isn't given away through the steam interface. You can always report paranoia to inbox@steamgifts.com

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just a thought: since your steamgifts account is tied to your steam account, you could use this site to prove that you won the CD key from the person. that would also somewhat prove that the giftee does not own the game anymore even though he has the boxed copy.

speaking about owning the boxed copy. how would you prove you own a boxed copy? mail it to valve? take a picture and send it to support? if it was the latter, a person could have gotten that picture anywhere, right? it wouldnt be much of a proof

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EA had me take screenshots on request (while I was in the chat with customer support) to prove ownership of a game on Steam. To prove a boxed copy it could be as simple as saying 'take a pic of the box in front of your monitor with this email and your Steam account on screen.'
Like when people want to verify someone's profile pic by having them do stupid stuff on camera on demand :)

1 decade ago
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doesnt steam have code that you need to get from your email before logging in from a different computer or location?

1 decade ago
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Yes they do but this feature can be turned off if the user chooses

1 decade ago
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ohhh thanks.

1 decade ago
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Reading the terms of service for steam is the best way to answer your question or ask support as they be best to answer

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and what does the terms of service say with regards to this? I am really interested in this right now, as I have a game giveaway (prey) that can only be activated via retail key (not available for sale on steam- at least not where I live) and I don't want to get into trouble myself nor do I want to get anyone else into trouble....

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but what if somebody gives me a serial number from a boxed game, then claims my account is his?
can't i use the same trick to recover my account? (i bought the orange box and left4dead via retail)

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Basically, you shouldn't accept "serial keys", because whoever has the original retail box can gain access to any Steam account where such key was redeemed. I'd only accept the keys if they're from the humble bundles.

1 decade ago
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even the humble bundle keys are still risky. Yes they are not risky in the sense they are not a box game, but it can easily be a key that has been used already.

This actually has me worried a little bit now. If you send a picture of a serial key on a box with your handwriting on it steam will simply reset your password without batting an eye. They simply send you an email that with a new password that prompts you to change your pass and your email as soon as you log in. you don't have know anything. This also works just like a stolen credit card to. anyone can do the same thing with your credit info.

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After looking further into this, Steam requires your account name when you submit the claim. Would that be enough to protect our accounts?

1 decade ago
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Provided that your account name is secret and not the one used on your profile, it might be.

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Closed 1 decade ago by ChrisMcMahon.