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I read in Factorio thread that developer plans to never put that game on sale, I assume bundle too because that is kinda a sale. I was wondering if there are any other games like this, that have never been on sale or in bundle and probably will never be.
I changed name of the topic a bit to make it more clear what I meant, and I also want to add Factorio was just an example that prompt this idea in my head. I don't really care about that game, visual style of it is not my type. ;)
Some games that have never been on a sale or a bundle so far:
Some games that have been on a small and rare sale and never in a bundle so far:
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Are there any other games like this?
Wouldn't devs say this to get you to buy full price?
Probably, I was just curious if there are some games that really never went on sale or only very rarely.
Yeah it's an interesting thread.
Factorio devs say they will never be on a sale because it would be unfair to people who paid the full price
iirc Stardew Valley's dev also said this, and then it ended up in Humble Monthly.
Sure? Any record of this? Can't find anything. It had small sales of 15-33% early on.
Supposedly the dev said it on their official forum at some point, but I only heard about it second hand and have no idea if it's true or not.
The Castle Doctrine, famously. It hasn't had a sale or bundle in over 4 years of release, despite being a multiplayer game that would be helped by a larger player base.
Here's the developer's post explaining his position.
That experiment was almost as rubbish as the horror game that would shutdown after 2 million kills or something. Turns out that, yes, not putting your multiplayer indie game on sale is a terrible idea that will kill the playerbase, and since that's been blatantly obvious for 3 years the author is a massive numpty who's happy to kill an otherwise great concept just to prove a point.
True, I said basically the same when it was brought up ~2 years ago ^^
considering it still doesn't have price in new currencies you can freely say it's abondoned
I'm not going to comment on whether I agree with him or not, but I do want to call attention to one part of his essay.
"To balance this out, we would need a whole lot of people who will buy random games just because they are on sale---games that they had no intention of buying otherwise. Maybe there are enough of these people, and I've certainly met some of them: people who have a backlog of 50 unplayed games in their Steam library."
My initial reaction was - "Only 50?" and then it was, "wait, is that supposed to be a bad thing?", and then, "Is that not that common?"
I know SG is a self-selected very small corner of the gaming community at large, so maybe my base of knowledge is skewed - but I have a modest collection of games that I'm diligently playing through and even I have a little over 204 games I've never touched.
Is this guy out of touch, or am I? This essay is a good four years old, though, long before Steam exploded in the way it has.
Folks on this site and other Steam-fan sites are definitely outliers. SteamSpy found that the median Steam user as of Feb 2018 owned 2 games. The mean is 10.8.
Damn. SteamSpy is dead, long live SteamSpy.
I wonder if there's a way to control for 'active' users/accounts, but that would just be the first of many hairs one could split.
That same article found that 31% of active Steam users only joined last year. That's kind of crazy on its own. Seems there's a ton of people, apparently primarily from China and the Philippines, who got a Steam account for just one game.
And one of those two games always happens to be CS:GO, I bet. Maybe also PUBG now.
That is mind boggling. But at the same rate, 31% of active Steam users only joined last year - that has to heavily skew numbers. It seems like there was a huge influx of new users last year who got a Steam account for just one game.
Haha, yeah, I'm with you. 50 games in your backlog seems so quaint.
And yet, it's hard to describe who's out of touch. I mean, I think we're absolutely representative of a large group of Steam users, and yet the average Steam user is so far removed from us it's crazy. The average Steam user buys 1 new game a year. The average Steam user has never bought a single bundle of games, from anywhere. We're clearly outliers, but anyone who's ever bought a Humble Bundle is an outlier.
What I get from all this is that the average Steam user is really, really weird. ;)
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I added it to the list.
Bullshit. They say that until sales drop, then suddenly it's on sale/bundled.
Factorio has only been "on sale" once and it was on Humble Bundle, 5% off, most likely Humble Bundle itself taking those 5% off their own share instead of the devs approving of a cut of their own.
I always want to hope that's the case, but people can be stubborn.
The common theme with these games seems to be that they were made as passion projects and not as cashcows. So, they might stick with their guns out of stubborness, principle and arrogance.
Secrets of Grindea, though I believe it's the case only until it leaves early access for this one.
Wow, this game looks so cool! Added to my wishlist.
Secrets of Grind early access. :3< Hope it's not true to it's name or that the grind is fun. o.- Though when one does use to describe it as grind it usually isn't fun. :F
No idea, honestly ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I imagine it can't be too bad considering the overall reception, though.
So it would seem that reviews average goes quite high and there is already so many of them considering it's early access title and perhaps not so well known one too. o.o
I've seen the first 10 hours..you farm mobs for quests/special loot but in general it's not too bad. It has a charming story and reminds me a bit of Stardew Valley, interacting with NPCs and hidden stuff around the world/puzzles. I think 100%ing everything would make things more tedious than just a normal playthrough. Also there's mp so playing with friends is a lot of fun.
Sounds like your familiar RPG/MMO mix then. Game fit different playstyles. :) Rarely rpgmaker like games look this good. o.- Or maybe it's more of an retro Nintendo stuff. o.o Thanks for opening up the game features. :3
My friend and I bought this to co-op together. The grind comes in because the character wants to be a famous card collector. When you kill enemies you get card drops from each type of enemy. It's random though so if you want rare drops, you'll have to grind a lot of enemies. I don't think thats necessary to beat the game though, just to get 100%. The game itself is a standard but very well done tribute to old school RPGS.
It's a very good game but I dont know if its finished yet. My friend and I have had some trouble with crashes. Also the game is just very hard, although that could be just us being rusty.
Oh boy, just noticed that they started developing it 6,5 years ago. :o Team of three apparently. Phew that's a quite long time, but they are still on it and guess they are doing it the best they can. o.o http://www.secretsofgrindea.com/index.php/blog/date/2011/11
Haha that reminds me of pokemon and of those card we collected as kids. :D Co-op seems rather fitting for it, but guess local co-op not so much though it would be for me more important feature. :F Indeed when there is stuff to collect there is usually grind, well at least in RPG and the like. o.-
Seems like they want to polish and work it to a gem and certainly have put their time on it. Would vote for it to be finished at some point in future certainly, but at least wait ready product before buying. Dislike playing unfinished products and with not all content after all. o.- That's in fact good that it has challenge, but over difficult game might kill interest fast if grind is included. Guess there is good amount of builds to do so doing those right and getting lucky with equipment might be vital at points. Though not sure how much those are invested in this game, but certainly will add it to check up list for later look. :) Thanks for the details Stef! :3
Added it to list for now.
Rimworld, you could only get it cheaper through kickstarter.
+1 This was the biggest game that immediately came to mind.
Devs says whatever they want to make more sales
Darkest of Days
I found a DVD copy in a local "junk store" for $3.99 about 2 years ago.
Congrats, you lucky man. ^^
Physical copies will always be discounted. Stores want to get rid of the bad stock. As opposed to Steam where you need not to pay for storage.
I can't even buy this game full price on steam, yet alone on sale =(
p.s. I'm from Israel and even since steam added new currencies, some games (i'm looking at you, ubisoft games) are just not available to buy at all
I'm sorry to hear that. I'm living in Belgium and I also have games that aren't sold here but are sold for example in the USA.
I added it to the list, one of the rare suggestions that have not once been on sale. Or at least in stores ITAD tracks.
Thank you, Ivien and I was tired of waiting for a sale, a few years ago, and bought it at full price.
as a developer saying you'll never put your game on sale is a good way of getting people to buy it early... never putting your game on sale as a developer is a way to keep your multiplayer games dead, and not maximize the amount of potential sales you'll have when it's past the point of the new release window..
All correct with the exception that there are very popular games that keep selling essentially indefinitely.
Factorio is one of them but also Rocket League and Stardew Valley at low sales of only -30% even despite having been in monthlies.
A developer can price their game however they want.. even in regards to sales, some games will keep on selling no matter what like PUBG, but alot of these games in the list, aren't the ones you mentioned, they aren't going to be blowing up the sales chart yet the developer isn't putting a discount on them..
Have any call of duty game ever been in a bundle? Not counting Call of Duty: Black Ops III - Multiplayer Starter Pack
no but with discounts ^^
Pretty regularly for discounts. Though discounts have been low and base prices don't drop.
I was aware about sales. But was curious about in a bundle. Only I could think of was the starter pack.
Technically, there have been CoD bundles, but not the deeply discounted bundles we have come to expect from sites like Humble and Fanatical, etc.:
The Activision Collection is a standing bundle on Steam that does offer a discount. It's pricey as it includes a large number of games.
StackSocial's CoD Bundle (expired) gave a bit of a discount, but not so much that it would drop into Steamgift's category for bundled games.
Humble's Black Ops II bundle is just the game and its DLC going by the name "bundle."
Anything that is said NOW by the devs can change in the future.... so not worth thinking over it
I was more curious about games that have already been around for some time and haven't been on sale or in a bundle. Factorio just made me think that may be possible for some games. Googling didn't really provide me a good answer and I figured here people may know stuff like this. ^^
The dev for ADOM (Ancient Domains of Mystery) has said that he won't discount the game more than about 10% in the foreseeable future. It's a real pocket product, with a very devoted fan base, and it wasn't on Steam for ages either. So that's likely to be accurate, at least while the game is in active support.
ADOM is a rogue-like that I've been playing for about 20 years, on and off. I haven't tried the new version yet; the last one I played, long ago, still had an ASCII interface.
I have added it to the list, it's what I was wondering about.
Gave up waiting for a steeper sale and got this recently. Worth it though I only played a few hours before getting distracted :(
It's such a fantastic game! I haven't played mine yet, saving it for a mythical time when I can get in there and spend some quality time. Historically I was always absolutely terrible at this game. That first cave, with the puppy and the mad carpenter, killed me plenty! And the triffids in the town park generally did me in if the cave didn't.
Never is a very long time
And sometimes very short :)
As a "sort of developer" I said my game will never be in a bundle and it didn't. It was on sales on steam/itch though, but nothing huge. I believe bundling games just gets you fictional number because most people who get your game in that way will never even start it (not counting idling).
I can understand that and while I do like getting games for cheap in a bundle, I fully understand why a developer may not put his game in a bundle. I'm not sure if I made a game one day if I would want it bundled, on sale yes at times, but bundle maybe not for same reason like yours.
What is the name of your game?
Ahh I have seen you game here before.
Now that I think of it, Arx Fatalis went for a really long time without going on sale - like, years. Eventually the price dropped and it's not as relevant as it was once, but it didn't go on sale for something like ten years after it was released.
-76% regular discount
Plans always change. If they don't you're incapable of adapting to different circumstances.
The dev may be strapped for cash one day because of rising costs or legal troubles etc. They would be foolish to rather go bankrupt than put their merchandise on a sale.
I'm very interested in this question, myself, because I want to figure out what to use my Humble wallet credit on in the Humble Store; I don't want to buy anything that will show up in a bundle later (ideally). I pretty much only buy games in bundles or at really steep discounts. I was thinking of making a thread about that myself, and still probably will at some point. Anyway, I don't know about games that don't get discounted at all. That's a pretty harsh restriction. But games that aren't likely to ever get bundled - that's what I'm interested in - well, there are some candidates here. Games from AAA studios like Fallout 3/NV/4, DOOM, Wolfenstein, Skyrim, Dishonored (all Bethesda)... and, well, other AAA games. Someone else here mentioned Call of Duty, and so yeah, that's another example. Some AAA game makers have shown they really aren't likely to get into the bundle game, even Humble Monthly. You definitely have to be shrewd and give it some thought and research when thinking about whether a dev/publisher would bundle a game or not, though.
This is one of the reasons I was curious about this. I made it never because I was genually interested if there are any games like this, as it seems to me everything was on sale or is on sales regularly.
I will keep an eye on your thread, I'm very curious if there are games I want that I shouldn't wait on a bundle for or for a big discount.
And as for the reliability of a developer or publisher's word... well, I'll leave this here:
Not suggesting anything about the dev of Factorio, but in general... you should remember to retain a certain degree of skepticism.
Of course, Factorio was just a example that made me think of idea that game may never be on sale. I didn't even think of that, as it seems everything goes on sale at some point.
Grimoire : Heralds of the Winged Exemplar
linky for the statement
I guess he changed his mind. xD Still it's a small and rare sale, so far.
two strong candidates from my WL :E
Maybe once they leave early access, though ITAD shows BeamNG.drive was on sale about 30-40% off about a year ago.
I must´ve been thinking "oh great, bundled soon" or something like that, 15 bucks sounds reasonable enough :)
In the end its their choice and I don't blame them for not doing so (tbh I'm not even interested in the game, so I couldn't care less), though I bet there aren't any higher or even altruistic motives behind that decision, quite the contrary - and after reading this thread, having too much time on my hand and checking the Factorio forums, I found one of the devs posting the most ridiculous and outlandish reasons to do so, feeling kinda vindicated :>:
The more people play the game, the harder it is to change something in it.
People who would buy it just because it would be on sale might be less forgiving for current flaws, they might dislike it and never try it again when it is finished.
The more people have the game, the more technical issues we have to investigate, which distracts us from finishing it.
lolwut, I definitely want what he got :3.
Note: Beware of your own psychology during sale on anything - if you are getting great deal on something you've never intended to buy in the first place, you are not getting great deal at all.
Note: Beware of your own psychology during sale on anything - if you are getting great deal on something you've never intended to buy in the first place, you are not getting great deal at all.
This I can easily sign though, although it doesn't take a rocket scientist to come to this conclusion.
EDIT: Forgot to link the original post.
I can relate to the first paragraph aswell, easily, since if KSP had´nt attracted so many real space enthusiasts, it might have turned out to be something completely different. Back when our little group tried KSP for the first time there was no Mün, all we did was trying to get our rockets into the sun, which quickly dialed back to "who get´s the farthest away from kerbal". For us, that was the game and all it ever needed to be. And I for one still shudder at the thought of orbiting satellites or fetching rogue kerbils mid-space :E
Well while his reason are a bit unusual, I can understand some parts of it, and all those are not really relevant any more as game is finished. xD
Yeah, I avoid to buy stuff just because it's on sale or in bundle. After buying couple of bundles in January just because it as cheap, now I limit myself to buying a bundle only if it has a game I really want and if that would be a good deal.
Actually, those are good reasons and here's why - their game is really niche if you look at it - hard infinite puzzle game in 2D with complex problems... not intended for "cod kiddies" and casual players. If those players get it on a huge sale just because it's discounted and they want +1 in the library, they would be less friendly when reviewing and finding flaws than someone who's really into that genre and was willing to pay full price - and less invested. Of course, making a game for 1M is far harder than making a game for 100K players, specially if you're expecting feedback and comments...
tl,dr; their reasoning is OK in their case and is working for them.
Nevertheless, they aren't good reasons for not discounting a product nor are they that closely related to it anyway IMO, since casual players or cod kiddies aren't anywhere near the target audience, just like you said, and the majority of the '+1 gang' won't even start up the game anyhow, so any of them dominating the feedback at any point seems highly unlikely to me. An argument like that rather comes across like, for instance, somebody's trying to put a blanket over potential shortcomings their product inherits, especially combined with him peculiarly arguing that, the more technical issues they'd have to investigate, the more it'd distract them from finishing it. Regarding the argument about feedback, I'm kinda on the fence about agreeing with you, although, if you fear that you could get entangled in the never ending ordeal of feeling like you have to please every customer to the fullest extent, I'd be more inclined to argue that another visit to the drawing board could be in order ;).
Granted, creating any product is in almost every case always and for a variety of reasons easier if you tailor it to a specific audience, but in this case I would rather argue that it's more complicated to change anything in a game with a hardcore fanbase than one with a wider and more omnifarious audience, especially with a niche game like Factorio.
Regardless if intended or not, creating such a commotion about issuing a discount is a somewhat precarious move in my eyes, with the risk of scaring off the more shaky buyers and disgruntling the already existing customers when later deciding to put a discount on the game anyhow. There are way better arguments to be made to justify this kind of price politics, beginning with them being a small indie dev and requiring that income to cover their costs, for example and yadda yadda.
So, why not just be honest in the first place and tell people that your product is solid, selling good and doesn't need a discount, cause none of the ubiquitous reasons for one apply, and that you're simply satisfied with your sales and that you simply don't wanna do without the money, instead of making up some BS reasons, implying you never wanna do a deal, while adding the popular phrase 'in the forseeable future' to your statement? Nothing wrong with telling the truth, IMO - and, just to be clear: I can see scenarios where this type of reasoning might be applicable, but I don't see none of that in this case ;>. Further, I also wanna make clear that I'm not in favor of selling a product under its price, on the contrary, and that I don't wanna imply they should participate in the apparently somewhat escalating price dumping some pubs/devs do, either.
tl;dr - devs should just be honest and stop making up BS ;P
All I can think of are games that never go on sale because they don't give a shit anymore.
For example Puzzle Quest 2 hasn't had a sale in years. Same with Emerald City Confidential™. There are probably many other titles in that situation.
Shame for games to be abandoned, even though I understand why.
Emerald city confidential is on my wishlist for years lol
Will probably buy it at some point at full price
All games published by Koei Tecmo in the last few years? Not only are their games at best average console ports released months or years later with a massivly inflated price and seperate DLC worth hundreds of bucks, they also don't really go below 50% off on a sale.
Now those are some pricey games.