So, I've been sick for a while and since I've had a lot of "free" time but not felt up to doing anything even moderately laborious, even as playing games, I've spent quite a bit of time just browsing the forum, and some may say, posting a lot of crap. I'm sure you can tell from the graph provided below :D

Anyway, I've noticed that many giveaway, maybe the most, have a very short duration and I wonder why that is. I'm also wondering if it would be good to increase to minimum duration to at least 8 hours but maybe even a day. This would enable everyone that are interested in a specific giveaway to actually join and to a degree counterbalance the advantage of auto joining bots/scripts. Post your thought on this in the comments if you wish.

Also, because I'm feeling a bit grumpy and it probably shows I'll provide a bit of counterbalance in the form of sloth. Enjoy

I feel I need to apologize in case you got here by trickery, there's probably nothing here for you, yet.

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Why are there so many short term giveaways?

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People are impatient (Give me my CV NOW!)
People are generous (Take this game as quick as humanly possible and don't worry about marking received, seven days is plenty of time )
Sloth (My scripted giveaway creator defaults to one hour) (Also a deadly sin)
Sloth (The animal, as a stand in for potato)

Nice

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I set a short time (~1 day) in case I wouldn' t be able to log into sg in time to send the gift.

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But you have 7 days regardless of the giveaway length to send the gift once it finishes.

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It's nice that there's a variety of duration. You can find some gem with not many entries thanks to this. And there are a lot of people entering everything already so chances that it will go to somebody who's really interested in the game won't be bigger in my opinion :)

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Wouldn't the chance decrease with shorter duration on account of bots? I seem to fail to follow your reasoning on this account.

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Depends on bots :P If a bot enters only giveaways for games from somebody's wishlist I have nothing against it. If the bots are entering everything there's a chance that someone's account is out of points during short giveaway = less bot entries :P During long giveaway they have a chance to restore points and enter more gibs. To be honest, I don't care much about duration of giveaways, I like it as it is and if it will change I will like it pretty much the same :)

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If I would have a bot that enters my WL giveaways even if I'm sleeping, then I would get all the "normal" and flash giveaways 24/7, while others who sleep and are away sometimes would surely miss some on the long run. Not the end of the world, but bot/autojoiner users have definitely can enter more short GA than average Clark Kents people

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I think that I am just at this point on SG that I don't care this much about winning anymore :) That's why I find whitelist autojoiners perfectly fine (assuming that this person wants to give it a try one day). I don't understand entering for everything though but if someone needs it then ok.

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I think it is the mentality of entering everything that feeds itself. Enough people, to not say the majority, tend to enter everything they humanly, and not so humanly in some/many cased, they are able to lowering the average odds of winning, which makes people more eager to join more giveaways.

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Yes, you are posting crap... including that thread, which contains stupid idea... but there's a need for such ideas to see how stupid they really are :D

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I'm not really suggesting anything, although I think I may have sometime in the past. I'm just curious about how other view this subject.

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I like to set my giveaways at a decent length of time to allow everyone to join who is interested in the game.

Most people are simply CV hogs.

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i'd rather get rid of bots, as it is against the rules on sg. but i suppose it's easier to let them leech and keep increasing the number of users so the site looks more important.

ga duration isn't very important, and i would rather have those 1 hours GAs spammed all the time than 4-weeks long attention-seeking events and promotions.

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Conspiracy theories peddled by Russian hackers...xD

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lol, those damn Russians, every time...

Just in case, since I've learnt a lot these few days. this comment is jokingly sarcastic. I don't actually think Russians are behind everything bad/evil in the world.

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I thought so as well but I've read some stuff suggesting that they're not. About GA duration though, if you could choose, would you rather have one hour or something like a few hours to a days duration? I've come to understand that a lot of people like short duration giveaway but find it hard to come up with a logical reason.

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i don't see how logical is to enter 5000 giveaways in a month with 2k entries each... i'd rather enter way less with more chances.

of course, unless i have an autojoin bot checking sg every 10 minutes and joining everything. ┐(´ー`)┌

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Well that last bit is probably the crux of the "problem" so to speak. Longer duration would put humans on equal terms with bots when it comes to chances :)

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or it will give even more chances to bots to "bank" points and spread entries way easier.

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This is too advance for me to even comprehend at this moment but I'm sure anything is possible. It's not that I don't understand the concept of banking points but I don't understand how dur... ah well ok then...

This would be easily solved by not returning points with some boundaries in place though but I'm sure that's been "voted" down in the past as well :P

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you are thinking like a normal person, not like a leech ^^

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I feel like I'm hardly even able to think at the moment so thank you for that compliment :P

Also, that's my female power fantasy in the gif

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I throw out shit games for CV for 2-5 hours usually - anything that has value in my eyes, people would be legit interested, or for events/WL/groups - 2 days minimum for the reason you said. Give time for more people to enter if they want.

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I've noticed that, for my giveaways at least, people tend to join either right at the start or at the very end of the duration. This is probably also how my joining pattern would look like if examined to be honest since I tend to join stuff on the first page and occasionally hit the wishlist and new buttons.

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Ah yeah, I'm not seeing any real point in multi week, or even days duration either, well except for promotional purpose that is.

That graph, omfg!. I'm such a noob poster

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I forgot to say, I hope your reason for increased "spam" is not the same as mine.

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This time span sounds very reasonable for me. Also I'm in full agreement on ungiftable games. The counter argument seem to be that this would be too hard on the server, at least last time I brought it up.

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Due to excellent opinions on this topic and the fact that I just noticed something unrelated I'm awarding you with a spot on my whitelist as an empty token of appreciation. May it serve you well

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Hehe, this empty token gesture already paid off with this reaction :P

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This is awesome news, it will balance out the blacklist I seem to have gotten from creating this thread. Someone seem to have strong feelings on this subject :D
Not that I'm worried about blacklists but if the ratio goes down the drain I admit I would feel bad about it

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I've heard that they will actually be implementing something like that in the (possibly near) future. You'll be able to make giveaways for ungiftable games, but will get no CV for it.:)

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That would be great, at least for me. This is a very convenient way to distribute unwanted key without going through a lot of extra work with obfuscating for bots

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I try for at least a week for puzzles/events/WL and 3 days for groups.

That gives people who work and possibly can't sit on SG all day a chance to see and enter stuff, groups I've been in tend to not like long GA's so 3 seems to be a safe bet.

I prefer big events and longer GA times, they actively promote community and discussion. Flash giveaways are great when done right too(Igotelbows does some nice mystery flash link GA events). Forums are getting more cynical and hard to read by the day so anything that promotes enjoyment and community is good by me, be that a long or short GA time.

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I like long ga's 'cause replies are speead out to them all week or however long the time instead of always at once so all throughout that time I get messages and it frrls like I'm not completely alone.

Short ga's I disluke because I don't use my computer much do I may not be on an hour or few after posting.

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Damn girl, this sounds pretty bad to be honest. I would never even have been able to imagine a reason like this. I saw a thread somewhere with someone stating that they would be willing to be someone to talk to, or something along those lines. I will try to ignore my normal asocial behavior and do the same for you if you think it would help in any way :)

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Nah, it's good. I mean it's not good, but It's better for me to be alone. Caring and trusting people leads to so much awful, so it sucks but I coan't do it the other way.

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Maybe you're putting too much trust in others to make you feel happy? I mean I'm not sure what could go wrong with just talking to someone via text messages that you'd consider it not worth even trying :)

I've been trying to find that thread I mentioned because they are probably better at that sort of thing than I would be but for some reason I don't seem able to find it again. If someone else reads this, know what I'm talking about, and are able to locate the thread it would be nice if you could post it here.

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Dont worry, I know of the thread you're talking about. But no, I think I'm not gonna try to make friends anymore, it's really not worthless. I get infatuated with people who don't care about me and want to die, and also wuth people who do, just not as much as I do, or like other people so much better and it hurts so much. The happinest I ever felt was an a sexually abusive relationship. It's not healthy, but fuck it, I'd sell my soul for that again, but I don't know how to find it again, at lesst not with a woman.

I just want a friend I can hang out and do stuff with but I have no close friends and noone really wants to hang out with me online either, I have no intrests so how am I gonna find a common interest with people?

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I guess I wouldn't be the best person to have a conversation about these things with anyway as I suspect I'm the polar opposite to you with regards to expecting things from other people but then again it who knows, maybe a different perspective is what it takes sometime :)

Since I'm quite asocial, at least in my own estimation, I don't really have any advice to give in regards to finding friends but I'm absolutely positive there are a lot of people that would be happy to have you as a friend. The only problem is that a lot of them might not meet your own standards, so to speak :)

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No. People shouldn't care about me, it leads to no good, usually me just ruining thir day.

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Higher minimum giveaway duration equals less incentive to visit site regularly ergo less ad revenue

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Thank you, this actually makes sense as far as an argument goes :)

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For me, over the last few months, Ive been doing flash giveaways because of my awful memory and meds. I get severe migraines and sometimes the meds (and the migraine itself) effect my memory. Easier for me to remember to send the key in a timely manner if its a shorter giveaway. But if its for my whitelist, I try to make the giveaways a bit longer so people have time to see it, and I write a note to remind myself I have a giveaway ending

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I can relate, with bad memory as well as migraine. These days I usually try to make giveaways end at a specific time as I for some reason like to send them in close proximity to their end time :)

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I think it would be nice for giveaway-makers to have an option of "enter this number to enter the giveaway". That way anyone who wants to add that to the giveaway can - mostly probably as to limit bots entering but also as to lower the numbers by those who just lazily click for anything even if they do not really care for playing it as that they would type out the number. And who doesn't want to doesn't have to.

Additional benefit of such would arguably also be that some of the giveaway-makers may perhaps prefer such option instead of high-level entry requirement.

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Sounds good in theory but also like something a bot would be able to easily figure out. I've seen similar suggestions "voted" down on account of people being just lazy though :P

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If what is to be entered were copy-pasteable, yes, but in terms of Captchas with squiggled text tests or similarly, it isn't that easy considering that captchas would be way less common if it were that easy.

And I am surely not saying that it should be mandatory for every giveaway. But if the actual game-copy giver would like to make use of it without spending an hour making some delicate puzzle mostly just to prevent bots from entering (for which SGtools btw isn't really much help if a bot crawls for links in the forum), as said, I think it would be nice for such an option to be had. Meanwhile on the side of those entering, if in addition to bots many are lazy to enter that captcha, good news for everyone else who doesn't mind entering a captcha for a chance to win a game they seem to care at least so much for as to enter a captcha for the chance of winning a copy thereof. :)

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I agree, this sounds like an excellent suggestion. Sadly we're probably not in majority and even if we were I'm not sure it would help :P

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Yeah, difficult to tell without having data to compare. But in terms of what you mentioned in your OP about bots, that wouldn't be an issue if such an option were to be had.

On the other hand there is of course the topic about how open giveaways are to participation, with some being able to be online only once a day while others in some offices or being able to use smartphone all day are online almost constantly. Similarly tho there may be those who are online only once every other week for a few hours and may want to share in such time period game-copies they have, so letting giveaway makers decide themselves I would be in favour of - albeit arguably perhaps a possibility to make something such as for every 24 hours of a public giveaway 1% increase in value for it...

Anyhow, if the non-bot/scrip users of this site agree in overall that it isn't nice to share chances for winning with automatization, behind which there perhaps isn't even interest to play particular game as there is just interest to bloat number of games on Steam account, I think that such captcha-option would improve things about that.

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