You could have told him you are short on time. He only added you to say hello and thank you - yea, really unpleasant.
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+1
It's amazing how many people feel entitled, to the point that their displays of 'gratitude' mandate you pay attention to and acknowledge and appreciate them, rather than, y'know, being about you and how you did something nice for them [which I thought was what gratitude actually entailed?]
It's the same mentality that makes people throw fits when you say 'Please don't spam thanks in my giveaway comments'. "I should be able to say thanks if I want to!"
Le sigh.
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You might have jumped the gun a little quick though. I don't see any harm in being added by giveaway winners, so long as they don't beg for it. In your case you ignored him twice and then just pulled the rules on him? That's aggressive too, I'm not so surprised he'd be shocked and could want to blacklist after that.
It was like that for my first win. It was in a group, but after a few days, he still hadn't shown any sign of life. I contact him after a while, he tells me he has no money. I had to remind him quite a few times, but it was past the first week too. I don't know, I guess I can understand both sides. There's a difference between letting someone know that you're alive, and begging to be given the game super quickly.
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I remember, back in SGv1, I created a bunch of giveaways and then someone, not even a winner, added me on steam to beg for games. It was sad.
I definitely have had times I've needed to contact a GA creator, but usually I only contact through Steam if there's an issue, otherwise I just leave a comment saying thanks or whatever needs to be said.
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I heard so many such tales... When I did my giveaways, I always made sure to do everything manually, starting from finding the user's profile directly from Steamgifts and so on. Didn't end up giving the game to any false winner or beggar so far.
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He didn't even pretend to be the winner. He just saw that I had created a bunch of giveaways and asked for games, since obviously I had a lot... which, uh, wasn't the case, and I had given away most of my bundle keys, and didn't really want to give a key to a filthy, disgusting, no good line cutting beggar.
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I can see your point. It's just that he sent his friend request the very same day he won, the next request the day after and another comment another day later, telling me then he feared he might have been overlooked... facepalm
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Well he sure was going overkill, I can definitely understand why you'd be pissed. Although if you did show some sign of life at some point, I can also understand why he'd think he'd be overlooked. Was it his first win or anything? That could have helped him lose his cool. Steamgifts doesn't always feel like it's a legit site, with all the fake giveaways and all!
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Why should that guy get priority over the other winners ?
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I don't agree with this logic. If it happened to me, I'd either have kept ignoring him or added him just to tell him to wait his turn. If he would have insisted, I would have waited the whole 7 days before sending. I don't believe impatient people should be rewarded, specially when they try to jump the queue.
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Unrelated, but why not just use mail to send the gifts? Without adding?
While I agree it's nice send things ASAP, if you made lots of giveaways, with checking all the winners and such, it can still be time consuming and tiring. And of course there is always a possibility, that something else would need your attention, and you'd have to postpone. When I make lots of GAs, I usually add a line, saying that winners should be patient because it'll take me some time to send everything.
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I think if you make the giveaways, it's good to try and get, at the very least, the FR's out ASAP and wrap things up as quickly as possible.
We actually encourage users to check their winners before handing out the game.
This is quite time consuming when you have dozens of games to send.
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I agree with you, but there were so many.... And I'm d'accord with what Jasmine wrote. Impatience should not be rewarded.
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or added him just to tell him to wait his turn
That would have really been the best way to handle the situation. He would then know he's going to get his gift and would calm down.
And it wouldn't be time consuming for OP. All she had to do is accept the friend request and write a single sentence.
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Because he's present and opening contact, cutting down on part of the work?
I mean, the civil alternative is just to reply to his friend request and say that you're not sending the items just yet.
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Unless you planned to deliver the game directly over Steam, I don't see how that cut down any of the work.
And you have our FAQ asking users not to contact the giveaway creator within the first 7 days of the giveaway ending, and eeev's Steam profile asking users to leave a comment before adding her. The guy blatantly ignore both of these.
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You asked why that guy should get priority over other winners.
The hazarded an answer as "immediacy".
Regarding the FAQ, once people have grasped the rules, over time they can forget the fineprint and go by the general shape of what they remember, only refreshing when it seems necessary. It would strike me as innocent enough to trip over that. The note saying not to add them is quite small in the sprawl of the profile, and someone breezing through can easily miss it. A good portion of the steam userbase never seem to put anything interesting or important in that space. Easy enough to bumble through this, and their intents were not hostile (and annoying at worst). Given how many game entries a person can lay out on any given day, and how routine the browsing and entry can be, forgetting that someone is doing a mass giveaway would be a major tripping point too.
The blacklisting was heavy-handed but tone can mean everything, and it's always easier to maintain a more neutral tone in retelling the story after you've calmed from the annoyance. We don't know exactly what words were exchanged. The entire thing seems like a storm in a teacup, and nothing I think is worth painting either as good or bad over. \:3/
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I wasn't saying there was any hostility in the way the winner contacted eeev, but simply that there's no reason that should give them priority.
Personally when I have a batch of games to send, I do it in the order they appear on the "giveaways created" page.
If one of the winners add me, I'm not going to say "wow that guy must be in a hurry, better send him the game now", I simply ignore it and send the game when I get to that giveaway.
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Personally, I'd find it more convenient if the winner contacted me and I was online. Means one more person I can cross off my list. Then boom, no problem... I fulfilled my end and they got their gift. No drama required.
Should a winner contact you before seven days? No, it's rather rude... but people will, so might as well get them out of the way and be done with it rather than making them wait even longer out of spite and causing drama.
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Why should there be drama ? If a winner added me while I was taking care of some other giveaways, I'd simply refuse and send the game when I'd get to their giveaway. I don't see any drama in that.
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He maybe had previously won a fake giveaway and was worried.
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Hey, you're wearing a hat now!
What you wrote is exactly my way of thinking. Thank you!
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Adding for what is literally called "pleasantry" is rude, ignoring and considering pleasantries as pointless and to be looked down on is not rude. Interesting thought process.
Unfortunately most of the world is going this way, its a shame.
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I might be more like that than you are, at least the same amount. I prefer to stay in and keep to myself almost all the time - but I don’t then apply my standards of what I prefer to others and label others as rude.
I don’t talk to people much, but if they talk to me I will be polite and fully accept that it is not rude to attempt to talk to me or contact me - I am not special and don’t deserve some privilege in society just because I am not very social. It is this that I think is the shame, those who do think they deserve it.
My comment was only directed at the part where you said it doesn’t matter if they wanted to beg "or" say hello. If it was to beg then it is fair enough and I agree with you, that is rude and pointless. If it was to say hello then I dont agree that it is rude - although I would agree the other person has a right to then ask not to contact (they just dont need to be rude about it themselves).
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Wow that's rude. I'm sorry that you had to deal with an idiot. There's no point being annoying and then being a jerk...
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Good job on linking to the selfies thread ev muahahahaha
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-1, nobody knows if they're annoying until you say so, why would you not say in the giveaway that you're low on time? why didnt you send the key through SG so nobody needs to add or talk to anyone? he kept adding & you gave zero replies, how can you possibly be a victim?
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Did you ever give away ~ 60 games at once? Check all profiles for multiple wins or not activated games?
No, Sir, you never gave away anything. Not. A. Single. Game. And you dare to speak up about how to hand out games???
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You tell'em, gurl!
But honestly, you are right!
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right ya, of course you're going to resort to that, considering i broke no rules, never regift to another site, report other regifters, help people on forums with hardware
ALL I'M SAYING is you could have warned, or accepted but let him send the first message, not all winners notice who the creator is & how many others were running at the same time
btw where does the faq say you have 7 days not allowed to contact the creator?
would you like me to tell you when i start giving away? it will be soon, sometime these days
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If I win a gift, when can I expect to receive it?
Giveaway creators are allowed one week to send the gift after the giveaway has ended. Depending on the type of gift and the giveaway creator, you might receive the gift to the e-mail address you have listed on the account page, a key might be added beside the gift you won, or the giveaway creator might have sent you a friend request on Steam to make the exchange. Please remain patient, and do not contact the giveaway creator during this time. If the gift is not received after one week, you can mark the gift as not received, and attempt to contact the giveaway creator on Steam to follow-up.
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alright, i was searching for 'days' & saw the other part about contacting the winner that hasnt activated
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Here:
If I win a gift, when can I expect to receive it?
Giveaway creators are allowed one week to send the gift after the giveaway has ended. Depending on the type of gift and the giveaway creator, you might receive the gift to the e-mail address you have listed on the account page, a key might be added beside the gift you won, or the giveaway creator might have sent you a friend request on Steam to make the exchange. Please remain patient, and do not contact the giveaway creator during this time. If the gift is not received after one week, you can mark the gift as not received, and attempt to contact the giveaway creator on Steam to follow-up.
EDIT: Oh, boy, 3 hit-combo!
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You're doing steamgifts good by checking your winners :)
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Mwahaha... +/- 90 gifts sent for Xmas...don't even get me started on the organization of the GOG Secret Santa :-p but I do have tricks and tips if you're interested :-)
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Check all profiles for multiple wins or not activated games?
Oh boy.. you're really giving yourself more work then you need to. Even if one of them has multiple wins or not activated games that wouldn't give you the right to re-roll right?
So you could have just given them the games first and then checked their profiles to blacklist those that have multiple wins or not activated games.
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We actually encourage users to check their winners.
Even if one of them has multiple wins or not activated games that wouldn't give you the right to re-roll right?
Yes it would, unless they have already been suspended and the last infraction was over a month ago.
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Had that a few days ago (without the blacklisting I hope) - random add on Steam, couldn't tie the name to anyone here, so I declined. A few minutes later I got a comment on one of the GAs that ended the night before, from the winner, saying "add me". Replied that I'd send him the key on here, did so a few minutes later, he said thanks and we went our merry ways ... but I was kind of tempted to bl him (he had like 70 wins, and some rule-breaking in the past, he should know that there might be a short waiting period)
edit: I just re-checked and it was actually closer to 200 wins -.-
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The enhanced steam add-on for Firefox/Chrome will add a link on their steam profile which links back to their SteamGifts profile - if you're interested of course. Feel free to ignore my comment. :)
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Thanks, I might do that later - I've never had anything bad happen here, and I've only started getting random adds a few weeks ago, so maybe it's time...
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I mean, it doesn't hurt. It also has a bunch of useful links to barter.vg and stuff to see if they do trading with keys they've won or things like that. Also it tells you if a game in the steam store has been bundled. All that fun stuff. There is a version for desktop that hooks into your steam client, but I kept having issues with it.
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It honestly sounds like you were both kind of rude.
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Can't agree - rules are rules (7 days to send a gift means 7 days to send a gift, so the winner should be patient). Why should Ev explain herself from abiding them or even from a reason why she hasn't sent the gift yet? Each user should know the rules before he/she starts using the page.
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If you want to take the 7 days, take the 7 days and ignore the message. Based on what the OP said, the reply sounded equally rude.
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Devil's advocate here. Would the following scenario be completely outside the realm of possibility?
The guy actually wanted to thank you for creating the nice topic, maybe even wrote a nice short poem for you to enjoy, or made you a nice little picture - just to show his appreciation for the topic and the giveaways and suchlike. Then, when he tried adding you and failed (twice), he assumed that you may have not recognised him as one of the winners, and maybe you didn't want to be bothered by random strangers on Steam. So he wrote a comment on the GA page saying that he's not a completely random person, and someone you have at least some reason to interact with. And when he did that, he got a big RTFM in his face.
Might that be something that could have justifiably upset him?
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Aye, the fabled crystal ball. I posit that ascribing people's actions to bad character traits like avarice or lack of tact should be reserved for those rare cases where none of the better-spirited 28 explanations fits.
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Or what if he's just impatient to get the game and constantly adds her like a little kid pulling on his mother's jeans asking when he's gonna get ice cream?
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Maybe. But then who's the jerk? The one who maybe fits your description? Or the one who regards it as a fact?
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Just to be clear, the answer is neither. I'm just pointing out that maybe we shouldn't be pre-judging people based on our bad past experiences. Not always, at any rate.
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The fact is that nobody should contact the GA creator before 7 days have passed, unless stated otherwise by them. That's in the rules, and is just what is expected of any winner.
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That's true. But the winner may be trying to contact the creator for reasons other than demanding their hard-earned copy of Bad Rats. In their mind, they're not doing it as a winner, so the rule may not completely apply to them.
Granted, it does sound a tad far-fetched to think that the guy in question followed this line of reasoning, and then flip-flopped and tried approaching Eeev as a winner instead - but sometimes good intentions trample reason.
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If it was the case he could have written a comment on her Steam profile (which she actually asks people to do before adding her)
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Maybe this comment on her Steam profile has only appeared as a result of this occurrence? ;þ
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I think you're right for "Please do not add me if you win a game from me. You'll receive your game in time."
But I'm pretty sure "Please leave a message in the comments why you are adding me. I will ignore random invites and block private profiles. Thank you." has been there for a while ^^
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Too late, man, already ranted about that. :D
Should've read that before, I guess, but I still find my comment at least a bit relevant to the thread so I'll leave it at that.
No hard feelings. :)
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Going by experience it is most likely to be a fact, yes.
I don't know how someone could be a jerk for thinking this way. Even the rules state that the creator of a giveaway has seven days to send a gift. Regarding the time and effort, the duration of the givaway and the money spent for the given games why should a winner be granted the benefit of a doubt when he doesn't even gives her the seven days, that are in the rules for everyone to read? Just compare the effort and investement in the giveaways to the time someone like this expects a game to be given. Who is the jerk then? The one spending hours of time and lots if money or the one who can't even wait?
If he or she wrote a poem or wanted to show unlimited gratitude why couldn't they do it in the comments of the giveaway in the first place? And if this would have been the winner's intention he would have done that.
I mean, sure, go ahead and tell me how someone who is generous towards total strangers can be a jerk in this scenario, but my opinion is set.
Also wrote this on my smartphone, so typos included.
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Thing is, the mere fact that this thread exists nudges me towards thinking that the winner may not have been the regular gimme-gimme-my-precious kind of guy. I mean, when you're being generous towards strangers, it hurts like hell to see ingratitude. Eeev has demonstrated that by creating this topic. That guy probably had no reason to blacklist Eeev unless he actually had some really good intentions when he tried contacting her. I don't think he'd have taken offence at being reminded the rules if he hadn't known the rules.
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You're putting it really cute. This thread helped me realize I could have handled the issue better myself. Back then the guy felt exactly like Downward describes it in the comment you reply to here.
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I know it feels sometimes like people are being annoying, impatient, or greedy - especially if you're going out of your way to do something good for them, like give them a game free of charge. But this impression may be the result of that very good intention of yours - that whenever someone expresses something other than polite and silent acceptance of your kind act, they're screwing up the ritual and being pushy. This happens.
And they may not be realising they're doing anything wrong, because sometimes they're trying to do something good in return, and fall victim to the same clouded judgement - as a result, when they see you react with something other than silent acceptance of their gratitude, they get trigger-happy and press the blacklist button.
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True enough, but when you act like that you should know that sometimes it won't be welcome and react accordingly. If somebody is ignoring you, take a hint and lay off for a bit. If they get upset at you, even if you don't think you deserve it, try to understand. That's what I think, at least.
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Agreed.
I just like to think that politeness and tact is a two-way street. ;)
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If he wanted to send a nice short poem he could have done it as a comment in the giveaway he won with a thank you after he got his game or wait for the ga creator to add him on steam as some people like doing and then send the nice short poem through there. No need to try to do it before.
as for "That guy probably had no reason to blacklist Eeev unless he actually had some really good intentions when he tried contacting her." That's just not true people with bad intentions tend to resent having someone point out their bad intentions so there's definitely reasons someone with bad intentions would blacklist her, actually if he had any good intentions I'd say he wouldn't have blacklist her without rejecting the gift also. From my point of view the fact that he blacklist her while accepting the gift tells me that he had bad intentions all along.
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well, its seems that you are very easily offended, and you could have had avoided all that by just letting him know that you get back at him later (you could even add a link to the FAQ and teach him better), ppl dont have a crystal ball into your head, thats why we have language...
yes you are right on the time frame of 7 days to deliver, no you are not right by blocking straight away and thinking that he would understand what you were thinking...
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Yeah, you said yourself you chose to ignore him, that's quite rude, then you get angry at him for not knowing why you were ignoring him. In the time it took to link him to the rules, you could have sent almost all the games out.
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LOL
No.
It takes time to check 60 winners, personally contact them all, and give them their games.
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Yes, thank you Khalaq.
Actually it took me three days (not full days of course) to handle it all, because yes indeed, I check and contact everybody.
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I think you are just making it more work then you need to, I just put the keys when I post the giveaways, takes no time at all, and they get it immediately.
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He isn't making too much work, buddy. He checks all his winners to see if they have broken any rules like regifting, non activation of wins, leeching etc.
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Just be more Warm, not so Kalt... he not try to kill you, was just excited for the GA. :/
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Hmm.. I definitely know what you mean. I have experienced that as well some times. Less than half an hour after the giveaway ended the winner left spamming messages on my steam profile and on the giveaway thread with "Hello?? Can I get the gift now? Are you there? Plz" ... It just makes you want to not give away games entirely...
Surely, I can understand the thrill when you win a game and you are all like "omg, omg, omg! I won!!!" and can't wait to get & install the game. But guys, please give us people who make giveaways a little break. It can be tiring and have the opposite effect.
I have had friends that came to me qq'ing about how this person just keeps adding or writing everywhere because they are impatient. It just doesn't feel too great, especially if the person ends up being rude instead. So just wait for the person who created the giveaway to add you (or till they add the key in the won section), and then show your gratitude instead of showing an immature behaviour.
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I'm gonna close it soon. Sometimes when stuff like this happens, I need a way to vent and reflect it with others. That's why I created it.
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People have added me before to receive their prize, which really isn't ideal for me.
Calling him a douche though, sort of weakness your point, for all i know he legitimately wanted to thank you and got all this.
Not that ever happen to me, more often then not, they just come to collect what they think already belongs to them, as if i forgot
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Thanks for understanding and yeah, calling him a douche was not one of my brightest moments. I'll edit it out.
Not sure about the thanking part tho, I mean, what to thank for if you didn't even receive your game yet?
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It kinda works like an early thank you. Kinda like how you won't be about to wish your friend a happy bday, so you tell him before.
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No wonder why i been feeling a weird vibe lately,
Literally?
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Don't worry, if I win something from you I promise to spam you to death. You won't feel left out.. :P
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Well, everyone stalks you. I've been stalking you from your friendlist.
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Well misunderstandings happen on the internet. There aren't tags for sarcasm, etc. Sometimes people read stuff into things that simply isn't there. I know I've been blacklisted for bemusing reasons several times and there are folks that aren't happy with why I've blacklisted them.
And I know I blocked somebody who kept trying to contact me about a dispute here on discussions while I was on holiday, although I think we worked that out in the end...
Overall I think you just have to be 'these things happen' and not take it too seriously.
But I do always find it a special kind of 'WTF?' when you just point the FAQ out to somebody when they appear oblivious and they be all like 'well there are rules I guess, but duh, this is clearly far more important than those and I'm sure they weren't made for any actual reasons - how could you possibly think FAQs and shit could take any priority over me you absolute facist I hate you!'
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I don't really think there's any reason to be pissed at a giveaway creator as long as you get your game within the 7 days. When you do a giveaway you're promising to give away a game, not promising to be someone's friend or to have a particular attitude.
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Personally, I just set all my giveaways to end at the same day & time 95% of the time so that I know I will have the time to distribute them all in an efficient manner. Though, to be fair, I am not as thorough as you are since I only check ratios and not for regifts/non-activated win/etc,
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since my country is full of retards, I kinda learned how to deal with it...
trust me... at some point you will really not care at all. it probably go faster if you just accept their annoying existence among good people.
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That's actually a worldwide problem, not just a problem of your country.
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This happened with the last game I won. I was so excited, but after a few hours I didn't receive a response I was going to message him, but then I remembered how many giveaways he had so I chose to just ignore and wait. The next day I was seeing people marking their gifts as received so I was worried. I figured I would wait till that night to message him and ask him. Anyways the Bioshock thing happened and I noticed one of my emails had said that I received a gift on Steam. . . turns out it was the game I won. So long story short patience pays off, but sometimes it might be your own error. Plus if you see someone hosting a big giveaway definitely be patient.
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So I was celebrating my cakeday recently. It was quite a celebration and I made a lot of GAs. One of the winners (well, he was not the only one, but this topic is about him) posted on my profile that he had won and also sent me a friend request which I chose to ignore, as there were so many gifts to deliver and I hate being pushed.
The next day he added me again (d'uh) and I ignored him again. Another day passed and he posted in the giveaway he had won "Hey, I've won but I can't reach you".
At this point I got really annoyed by the guy and made him aware of the FAQ. They mention a period of patience of seven days in which the giveaway creator shall not be contacted (I so wish more people would read this). I also told him I had many gifts to hand out and that I find it unpleasant to be pushed that way.
He acted like "Had no idea a little comment like this would be seen as pushing. You could have told me you are short on time. I only added you to say hello and thank you - yea, really unpleasant. Whatever..."
I pointed out that it wasn't only about the little comment but all the actions he performed and how annoying it felt to me and sent him the game.
Well, now I found out he blacklisted me.
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