Now we can transfer all of our dead memes to the future societies ^^
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This is amazing, until you remember how awful we are at consistent file formats. "Hey I have this video from 20 years ago... how do I play RealVideo? Oh, and there are some Flash files. And they included some software that reads other files, but does anyone have an OS/2 system anywhere?"
Hopefully anything we intend to share with future generations is stored in nice, simple, flat bitmaps or ascii text.
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There will probably be that one guy dumping his entire porn collection on that drive. I will neither confirm nor deny i'd be that guy
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I'm not sure why to back up porn. Porn is that one thing that all of human history has shown we will never, ever, run out of. Is there historical value to specific lewd films?
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Only to Debbie Does Dallas, Deep Throat, and the full version of Caligula.
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Just include the player and add it to autoexec.bat ;-)
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Even if it would be a few billions less, most likely we won't even survive a few billion years and to whoever might find it probably has a hard time reading it. i dunno, it talks about 5d technology and i know nothing about it.
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It's based on extrapolation. I doubt they are offering a legal guarantee, and yes, unforeseen things can happen, but that's the basis of the claim. (For example, timepieces accurate to 1 second in 1000 years have to be accurate to a ms in one year, or about 3 us in a day. That's certainly measurable.)
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It takes Pluto about 248 years to make one complete orbit of the Sun, and we discovered Pluto about 87 years ago. Because of this, we have never seen Pluto make a complete orbit around the Sun. Does that mean that we can't predict this it will?
Just because you have never seen something, does not mean you can't predict it will happen using other information. Given that, nothing is certain.
I predict that the Sun will rise tomorrow on Earth. Does that mean it will happen? Have I seen it happen yet? No, but based on experience and my understanding of how things work, the chance of it not happening is very small.
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I'm not a scientist, but I assume they are going by how long quartz lasts as well as the strength of the structure they are using to write the data.
Like I said, nothing is certain, and there could be unknown factors that may affect the lifetime of the data. I assume they are using their best calculation based on all the information they have.
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Oh my god no, once the universe is purged of humanity our horrible race should just be forgotten.
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So the next dominant species can make the same mistakes? Let's just give them all we have so that in turn, they have no excuses when they fuck up
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I assume the next dominant species will never encounter a spec of us in this vast in infinite universe, or, if they do they either are so similar to us that inevitable stupid thing we do to wipe out this race, assuming its not simpy entropy, will also destroy them, or they will be so different they won't recongnize our leftovers as the results of another civilization, or simply wont be able to interpret the information, I mean we haven't been able to interpret some acient societies of the species we were.
Anyway it goes, I want the end of our species to be the end of our influence. I don't want another species to think , wonder, ir worst of all marvel at the horrible species we were.
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I'll do my part and put up a lot of pro-Trump memes.
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Politicians ruined memes. At least lesbian Satanists are still mostly alright.
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They make the best memes, that are directed at them.
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I like the best when a side popularizes a meme that can be interpreted in a way the other side agrees with and they hijack it for themselves. Hijacking is the best gloating content
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Oh my god no, once the universe is purged of humanity our horrible race should just be forgotten.
Must be one of those hidden "dumbest post in the thread hits the dove and wins an i-pod" kind of giveaways.
(Your post is the top contender.)
Oh my god no,
What god? Never mind you seem to be a forsaken anyway.
once the universe is purged of humanity
When? By whom? Why? Where?
Only Earth is known to have humans, only humans and rare "space rock visits" are known to do the purging ...
You mean that unique and incomparable collective humanity that has led to everything good and bad so far?
our horrible race
Horrible eh? And so horrible without any redeemable good or purpose?
You should try watching some wildlife documentary, instead of MTV once in a while. Also "our race" my arse, you can't even talk for your fellow blacks as they distinguish in sub-races much less other sapiens. Feel free to invite them to the purge though, i'm sure they'll respond kindly.
should just be forgotten.
If there was any kind of advanced intelligent life form capable of visiting and be even interested in what kind of creatures
roamed Earth they'd be sure to check up on the "historic primitive naughty" and be appalled ... or more likely have a laugh
if they even have the lulz capacity.
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Lol, is the stupidest, most melo dramatic response over nothing i've seen yet.
Must be one of those hidden "dumbest post in the thread hits the dove and wins an i-pod" kind of giveaways.
And nah, my giveaway is here, boi
What god? Never mind you seem to be a forsaken anyway.
It's a phrase, dude. And yeah, the punishment being baptized then renouncing god is pretty bad, but I like my life as a lesbian devil worshiper better, thankyouverymuch
When? By whom? Why? Where?
idk, there could be a variety or different things that lead to our extinction. I'd expect it to be us, but that's just a guess. It doesn't really matter what does it though, the point is we will at one point cease to exist.
only humans and rare "space rock visits" are known to do the purging ...
And bacteria and virus, and entropy through time, and time itself, and major climate changes, and chemicals, ect..
You mean that unique and incomparable collective humanity that has led to everything good and bad so far?
Yes. unique and incomparable does not mean we should be preserved. We did a lot of good, and we did a lot of bad. To bad imo.
Horrible eh?
Yes
And so horrible without any redeemable good or purpose?
Yes
You should try watching some wildlife documentary, instead of MTV once in a while. Also "our race" my arse, you can't even talk for your fellow blacks as they distinguish in sub-races much less other sapiens. Feel free to invite them to the purge though, i'm sure they'll respond kindly.
You should try learning English and science. "The human race" and "oh my god" are incredibly common phrases. And calling us blacks is kinda racist and the concept of negroids, mongoloids, and caucasoids is complete bullshit, and you're too dumb for me to tell if you did it on purposes or because you honestly didn't know that.
If there was any kind of advanced intelligent life form capable of visiting and be even interested in what kind of creatures
roamed Earth they'd be sure to check up on the "historic primitive naughty" and be appalled ... or more likely have a laugh
That's not even a counterpoint. I agree with that, and I don't want that to happen, we shouldn't exists in the thoughts of another "species" for any purpose after we are gone. Our end should be the end of the shitty collective of humanity.
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Lol, is the stupidest, most melo dramatic response over nothing i've seen yet.
You think? I love me purposeful conflict as much as the next guy, but wishing for humanity to be extinguished for its "bad", gets even me out of the shell. Clearly it is more of a spontaneous reflection of yourself, than a well thought out statement ... nonetheless one with every noun and verb being provocatively dumb - hence my reply.i.
And calling us blacks is kinda racist and the concept of negroids, mongoloids, and caucasoids is complete bullshit, and you're too dumb for me to tell if you did it on purposes or because you honestly didn't know that.
Humans are all sapiens ... but a Caucasoid couple will never breed Negroids vice versa unless they race mix. The names for sub races are just names, no one would be offended by Caucasoid (aka the EVIL MASTER RACE), Australoid (obviously Australians), Indochinese heck even Mongoloid (not sickness Genghis Khan's Mongs duh) - why would "blacks" being listed as Negorids be racist - quit sipping the SJW-idiot-juice or make a petition for your sub-race to collectively be named differently ... I'm sure that works out. / regards Taxonomy-Terminology
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I mean, my hared of humanity is pretty well thought out, even if you disagree.
Well the sub races you're referring to are bullshit. They've been disregarded by most of the scientific community for a while now.
Negroid isn't used used that much anymore and is controversial where it is because of it's association with scientific racism.
I suggest you read up on human history.
I'll just leave this qoute From Lilly Montagu
The notion that five subspecies or geographic races of Homo erectus [...] "evolved independently into Homo sapiens not once but five times" at different times and in different places, seems to me a very far-fetched one. Coon has striven valiantly, to make out a case for this theory, but it simply does not square with the biological facts. Species and subspecies simply do not develop that way. The transmutation of one species into another is a very gradual process
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I'm curious:
as you state that "the sub races you're referring to are bullshit." Do you also think the craniofacial traits, neoteny or even the more obvious hair and skin pigmentation is part of the scientific racism and should be disregarded with regards to classification of the human species? And if so, how would you explain them within a single race?
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I mean, races are bullshit, but I would refer to them as we do know, how society describes race. Black, White, Asian, Indian, Middle Eastern, Native American, at least in America.
Humans are far to mixed, and far to varied within subgroubs to have meaningful distinctions.
And while these sub races are highly controversial and i'm of the opinion that they nonsense, the controversy about scientific racism isn't the whole of it. pseudoscience using these subraces was used to promote racism, but not all, not even a majority of the work done with them is scientific racism, although the part that is certainly adds to the controversy, especially about the name, since negro has a negative context.
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once the universe is purged of humanity
When? By whom? Why? Where?
By the forces of Chaos Undivided, of course.
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So unfair, other data can live for such a long time, and yet Browser Histories live such short-lived existences! Live on, BH's, brief yet bright, like a comet lighting up the night sky ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Just kidding, you may delete your history but the records will forever live on in the Internet's decentralized records ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Ok, now on a more serious note: while undoubtedly amazing, a few problems may still occur that invalidate that accomplishment. One of them is format obsolescence... information may be stored safely, but there are no guarantees that we'll be able to read it by that time. That possibility is referred to as the "Digital Dark Age".
A notable example, straight from Wikipedia, is NASA: "For over a decade, magnetic tapes from the 1976 Viking Mars landing were unprocessed. When later analyzed, the data was unreadable as it was in an unknown format and the original programmers had either died or left NASA."
Spoiler: After many months, the format was painstakingly decoded.
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I have a pile of my old QIC-80 backup tapes from the early '90s, I'd love to access my old files and see what I was doing as a teenager... but good luck finding a computer old enough with the right kind of streaming interface card, and figuring out what version of software I was using for backups at that time (some Colorado or PC Tools backup software in DOS, I guess). And considering how horrible those tapes were I probably wouldn't be able to read it anyway due to slack alignment issues. :P
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I still have the kit around to read my QIC-525 tapes from around the same time (don't know about the physical state of the tapes, though).
SCSI drive attached to an Adaptec card on a FreeBSD box, so likely no problems on the software side.
In fact, probably more likely to be able to read those than the optical media I later copied them to...
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I would've liked one of those - mine was a "floppy tape" device - attached to the floppy drive controller (as a passthrough to the actual floppy drive) and use proprietary drivers to basically read from a tape as if it were a floppy disk with very long tracks. The "ftape" driver was removed from Linux after kernel 2.2, I believe. :)
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estimated lifetime: 14 billion years +/- 13.9999999999999999 billions
sounds good enough for me. bought one!
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Futurism, hmmm is this a reputable source? I've never heard of them before and I'm fairly good a keeping track of technological innovations. I had expected to read about this in a more well-known publication rather than somewhere I've never heard of before.
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I've seen quartz data storage mentioned elsewhere, in a documentary, but AFAIK it's still experimental and the tech required to encode / decode the data is pretty expensive, so we probably won't be seeing it in personal computers for a while (and the data being read-only like those late 90s CDs is a pretty big step backwards in the age of flash drives anyway).
That article is more than a year old (probably follows this statement ), it's kinda weird to see it surface on SG only today.
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For some reason the title had me believing it was just about commercially available. I read a bit more and like you say the encoding and decoding process is uhm... let's say problematic to use a popular term. I couldn't understand why they picked such a limited set of data to store as in the above examples but now it makes more sense to me :P
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Now can someone also find a way to store ourselves for that many years?
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Would be enough to store all the good porn, curated by 1 individual in the course of their lifetime in glorious 4k - HUZZA what an achievement! I mean what else would your store? The genome of every living thing on earth and next - shoot tons of cheap ass copies to space, maybe straight to our alien-space-invaders lap? Who needs that shit. (In theory a "advanced life form" [lets call it god2] if willing could be able to replicate carbon based life forms based on the information alone ... might turn out shitty at first, but works always a process .I.)
For now (2018) i'd be happy if the merchant would sell me a 10 TB HDD for 125 buckaroos ... but its gotten rather clear to everyone and their dog, you don't need that much space as a average pleb consumer (obv. not pirates or content/video producers and other purposes of legitimate storage) - which is why storage didn't change much since years (also 3,5" platter HDD's reaching their physical limits) ... now wait another 8 years for SSD's to be 10 TB and cost ~ 350$.
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I have floppy disks that still work but no floppy drive to run them.
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I have several working floppy drives.
We shall hold the data hostage (1.44MB at a time) and rule the world!
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Footage from Tzaars house: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM_sAxrAu7Q
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Awesome.
You just know...for sure...someone's gonna use it to store porn forever. :)
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You misread my mind. I was thinking about the various weird and disturbing clips & stuff I found on the internet over the years.
Like The Demented Cartoon Movie, which is about ... eh... let me know when you find out please.
Or Farm Sluts, which involves, but is not itself, porn.
I'm not denying actual porn may be included though
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Up to 157 degrees Celsius? Yeah, that sounds very safe. I can't imagine the ambient temperature ever getting that high. It certainly hasn't happened over the past billion years anywhere.
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This is fantastic. We are seriously handicapping ourselves with proprietary formats and throwaway tech. As an armchair historian, I have been quite concerned about this-- we already have information that we cannot access from older hardware from the 70s and 80s. Digital storage is costly and unreliable, even new digital films are being pressed to film reels so that they may be more effectively stored in sulfur mines.
It's quite the irony, we are likely the most recorded generation in human history, but thus far our storage methods couldn't even compare to ink and paper hard copy. Hopefully, this is the turn of the tide.
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I remind a topic here when it was a new (February 16, 2016)
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Nice! Now we can back-up the internet and utterly confuse future historians :D
I've actually wondered many times about who the hell will want to be a historian a few hundreds years from now when the amount of superfluous information stored by humanity reaches ludicrous levels, it will be near impossible to not fall for countless red herrings or get distracted and procrastinate yourself into oblivion.
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By your logic, a 14-year old might think of 14 years as a lifetime. ;-)
In actual fact, using this technology, someone born at the epoch would just now start seeing his birth certificate stored using this technology have read errors...
I wonder how many bytes will be needed in 14 billion years to store the longest UTF-8 sequence for a codepoint in all of the then-existing languages in the universe? :-) They'll still be using UTF-8 encoding, right?
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360TB? mmm...
Softwares + Games + Movies + Series + Animes + Others ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Will be full in no time :P
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That's neat, but assuming all past information is suddenly lost, how would the next humans (or creature, who knows) manage to figure out how to read this data? It's a really neat technology, but only useful if we use said technology and never forget/lose its existence.
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You know the sun will be gone in less time than that right? And the earth even earlier? There's no need or use for this kind of lifespan.
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"Worried about being remembered? Well, worry no more. This eternal 5D data storage could preserve the history of humankind for ages to come.
Previously, we shared an amazing breakthrough: The ability to store data on slivers of quartz glass for 300 million years.
Now, you don’t have to worry about what will happen to your data after those 300 millions years are up—researchers have upped the storage and lifespan of the quartz glass. Your data can be stored safely for 14 billion years.
Let’s get some perspective:
•The Earth is 4.534 billion years old
•The Universe is 13.82 billion years old
With this in mind, your data is essentially safe forever.
Small Storage Solutions
Researchers at Southamton University in the UK have developed the technique of storing data digitally using laser light. 360 terabytes of information can fit on one sliver of nanostructured quartz. With this tech, we can store literally the whole of human history.
The technique uses femtosecond laser pulses to write data in the 3D structure of quartz at the nanoscale. The pulses create three layers of nanostructred dots, each just microns above the other.
The changes in the structure can be read by interrogating the sample with another pulse of light and recording the orientation of the waves after they’ve passed through.
Notably, this is referred to as a 5D storage device. These include the three dimensions of space, which are responsible for describing the physical location of the dot, and two additional dimensions that are encoded by the polarity and intensity of the beam that creates the dot.
The storage system, in addition to being long lasting, is also pretty safe—the quartz can withstand up to 157 degrees Celsius (350 degrees Fahrenheit)."
In the same way that the Pioneer Plaque is meant to be a communication tool between us and any extraterrestrial life, these tiny storage systems could someday inform other beings (maybe our far, far, far off descendants) about Earth and humanity after we are long gone.
The research team has written a series of major works on the small glass discs. These are the works that will outlive generations:
•The Universal Declaration of Human Rights
•Newton’s Opticks
•The Magna Carta
•The King James Bible
This new advance in storage makes the technique a genuine means of archiving vast quantities of information in perpetuity. We no longer have to fear the loss associated with tragedies like the Library of Alexandria.
https://futurism.com/memory-that-lasts-forever-new-quartz-coin-can-store-360tb-of-data-for-14-billion-years/
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