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... this is not true. The title is a lie.
I don't see any racist behavior here.
He is pressing with knee on his neck, this can be treated as incorrect behavior as police treatment only.
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Yeah. Add also gay, trans, untrustworthy man. Don't forget about the thief, scammer, etc.
People are stupid nowadays and see only what they want to see.
There is a big difference between murder, racism, and bringing someone to their death, either unintentionally or by omission.
There is no murder or racist in this case. The murder is an act of intent, with direct intent.
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Since I'm tired of people who don't know how to research and actually utilize statistics, put them into such accurately. AKA, take the portion of the population they present, than the portion of deaths by police officer shootings.
Here's some light reading, don't worry, it's also informative!
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/do-police-kill-more-whites-than-black-people/
I'm not arguing that there are no white deaths, but all statistics point out the disproportionate rate of police shootings among minorities. Even slightly misleading ones, which that source is to one simply looking it over... I also like that they require a membership to see the sources, something that a reliable news source would probably have off the bat...
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Sorry, my intention wasn't to show who has it worse, I was just linking any site that showed that police brutality happens to everyone, because the commentator asked for "also kills a white man".
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Yeah, apologies if that came off as a personal attack, I've just gotten a touch used to people throwing things like that around as an excuse to disregard the disproportionate effect, and point out that more white people get shot without actually looking at how those statistics interact with the general population.
In short, it was more an irritated note with the way the site handled and explained the stats (and how some people could/do utilize it) than anything in regards to you, and I apologize that it came off that way.
E: Removed a word to clarify meaning.
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Your country of origin confirms this.
Aaaa, I think this is called racism? It's like you can add this sentence to a dictionary as an example.
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Unless you can read minds then you have no idea if the police officer killed that man with racial intent. And by the way, when you throw around words like "racist", "nazi", and "fascist" at every person that looks at you the wrong way it really starts to lose its sting.
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@Steamgiftsfascists
his country/origin? because he/she is polish equals beeing fascist? are you fucking stupid?
and there are also plenty of cases where white people have been shot by cops.
just fuck off with your unqualified biased opinion!
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You just can't be serious right now!? if any of us did such atrocity (Not that i ever do anything like that, God forbid) we would have been in jail. Being Someone Else's B*tch!
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I would not be surprised if that is the direction this is headed. If intent (and commission) is proven in a court of law, the cop responsible should be penalized appropriately.
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Wiki defines murder as:
Murder is the unlawful killing of another human without justification or valid excuse, especially the unlawful killing of another human with malice aforethought.
Intent is not a requisite for murder perse, it depends on the country, or state in this case. Some states consider unintentional deaths as manslaughter. So it's either "Murder in the Second Degree" or "Manslaughter" in this case, I don't know which one Minneapolis law uses.
Edit: It could possibly be "Murder in the First Degree" if he did had intent, to me objectively it seems more like gross incompetence.
There's not enough to go on from the video alone to determine whether it was or wasn't a racist act.
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if I sit on someone for 5 min while he is screaming that he can't breath how is it not intended?
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If I sit on half of an hour on you without harming you in any way, only to prevent you from moving - and you will scream that you're can't breathe? People can tell anything. And WILL do this.
You can even break someone's bone without knowing that. All is possible.
You're not a court. Leave their investigation for them.
No matter is a white or black man. We can discuss this cop behavior - but I don't see anything wrong in this. It's a normal procedure to block aggressive people.
It's up to the court to decide how much power has been exceeded in this case. And whether this policeman was aware of what was happening. This lying man didn't look like someone who's about to die. But it did happen. A policeman put pressure on his neck - but as you can see, he didn't stand on his head but just kneeled down. This has nothing to do with racism.
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No matter is a white or black man. We can discuss this cop behavior - but I don't see anything wrong in this. It's a normal procedure to block aggressive people.
Indeed. I guess simply writing that "Cops Kill Handcuffed Man Laying on Floor" just doesn't have that scandalous flavour to it. That simply wouldn't do.
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He is in handcuffs already and lying down. What can he do? If he screams "I can't breathe" it should be at least a sign to have a look at his condition.
Police should not be able to kill without danger and get away with it. They should protect the law, not stay above it.
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He is in handcuffs already and lying down. What can he do?
A lot, it turns out. The fact that police lose their lives in situations where they relax and the persons they are dealing with do not makes analysis of these incidents tricky. Police are trained to restrain themselves despite having "high emotions" and dealing with suspects who are resisting their authority, but police are also human. Errors in judgement and/or action may have fatal consequences, hence the review process and legal penalties when things go wrong.
If he screams "I can't breathe" it should be at least a sign to have a look at his condition.
Agreed, but I also know from personal experience that it is difficult to tell when there is actual difficulty in breathing. If you can scream, you are obviously getting the air to do it from somewhere.
Police should not be able to kill without danger and get away with it. They should protect the law, not stay above it.
True, of course. That is why we have a review process for all deaths within police custody, regardless of circumstance.
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He kneeled on his neck, that is a big difference, also why does it matter if he was lying saying he can't breathe?
There were 4 of them there, he didn't even try to resist.
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Press article saying something different.
"The arrest took place on Monday evening, the Minneapolis Police Department said in a statement, after officers responded to a call about a man suspected of forgery. The police said the man was found sitting on top of a blue car and “appeared to be under the influence.”
“He was ordered to step from his car,” the department’s statement said. “After he got out, he physically resisted officers. Officers were able to get the suspect into handcuffs and noted he appeared to be suffering medical distress.”
And about kneeling - it's a normal procedure to handcuff person, keep them from moving and do a safe search for any dangerous items he can have. Is in this case he pressed too much? Yea - looks like he does it. This can be a direct reason of his death. But this nothing to original thread title "white racist cop".
Question is - why there were four cops and one was not enough?
Another one - how many times you're tried to handcuff another person?
Is this is simple, is it easy to do with an adult growing man who opposes you by force?
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I mean there is a difference before doing that before and after he's on the ground handcuffed and kneeling might be ok but it depends on the intensity and duration, similar to choking, you could make someone pass out or kill them.
I agree though that the media always blows things out of proportion and so do people on the internet, was it racism?...maybe, but there are people who search for the man, his family,... attack them in any way and there were even protests with people burning buildings down.
Though still, it was absolutely wrong what he did but I know that it's not always easy to make decisions when being in danger or having been in danger which policemen often are.
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We don't know what was the direct cause of his death - but the behavior of the police could have contributed to this. The topic of racism is always catchy and divisive. Here one can discuss the legitimacy of the use of direct coercive measures - and the overstepping of powers - but this is not related to racism. I don't see any such reason in this policeman's behaviour.
The principle of police action towards a citizen should always be the use of appropriate forces and means, aiming at the least possible harm. There is no need to pull out a weapon if physical force is enough. However, I have the impression that the American police abuse the weapon and it did not always have to be used to kill or shoot the attacker. I may not fully understand the situation (danger), because in the USA access to weapons is common, so the threat is different from my country.
But there are also unfortunate accidents like here. It looks strange because from the recording you wouldn't see that this particular policeman would somehow press his neck especially hard (question is - how long it happened?). The throat and trachea are on the front of the human body. Until you push hard on the front of the trachea (or you will press your neck on both sides - which can happen when a person is lying on a hard surface - try squeezing your neck on the left and right side with a flat hand - this really makes breathing difficult), it shouldn't cut off the entire air supply.
The same goes for hypoxia and loss of consciousness. Death is not sudden. The whole thing is weird.
The human brain can survive up to a three-minute lack of oxygen without persistent damage. With the use of manual respiration - and I doubt that there's so much waiting here - this man shouldn't die. There must have been a coincidence - past illnesses, medication, drugs, stress etc. Heartbeat or breathing are unconditional reflexes and continue even after loss of consciousness.
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Suspended.
You are free to disagree with people in our forum, but you must still keep your posts civil.
The rest of you have been warned.
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Only 1 day? He called a whole country facist, and he did against a country which was one of the biggest victim of facism.
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Inappropriate Conduct defaults to a two-day suspension. The number you are seeing is rounded down. This rounding down applies to all time periods, so a person suspended one minute ago for four weeks will show up as "three weeks" due to the timer counting down.
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Apparently, the title has been changed so I don't know exactly what you are responding to but the content is the same and it is deplorable.
The officer kneeled on the compliant, handcuffed guy's neck for four minutes after he stopped responding (after three minutes of saying he couldn't breathe, he didn't want to die (while bystanders begged the other officer to stop his partner who appeared to enjoy the torture he was inflicting) and finally crying out for his mother that died a year ago), turning it from an unnecessary sleeper hold to an even less necessary strangulation death.
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"Incorrect behavior" that kills someone unlawfully has consequences.
Someone died, and a grand jury decided it could be unlawful. Race or not, the instant someone is begging for their life, their ability to breathe- they are not the instigator. This should be common sense.
Do you think the man deserved to die?
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"Do you think the man deserved to die?"
I didn't write it anywhere, so don't put words into my mouth that I didn't say.
And don't ever judge a movie by its fragment. You don't know the whole situation. You don't know what exactly happened there before. Every situation can be presented a little differently than it really is.
People handcuffed always say they're dying, etc. You have a lot of such examples of police intervention. Also, note that if someone doesn't have air to breathe - they can't speak either. So it is not that simple to judge. The pressure on a person's neck as I've already written is standard procedure. If there is misfortune and a person dies - then either the policeman's action was exaggerated or other factors came to this. Maybe the guy was under the influence of drugs? Maybe he had a heart condition? There are more questions and we're not gonna investigate it because we are not in a place when this happened. Skin color doesn't count. It's a human being.
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I asked you a question is all, you didn't answer.
People handcuffed always say they're dying, etc
What are you talking about? Honestly I think you just are in denial at this point.
And no, people don't always say they are dying, or they can't breathe. That's not a usual thing to say, in any situation.
You think this was justified homicide, that's your prerogative. You're wrong though.
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And no, people don't always say they are dying, or they can't breathe.
Both of you are exaggerating. "Always" is an absolute value, and an artificial one at that. Is it possible that someone in custody might lie or make false claims while being apprehended? From my past experience working alongside police, I know this does, in fact, happen, so the answer is "Yes." Assuming this goes to court (which sounds likely), it will be up to a jury to examine all available evidence and determine guilt or innocence.
You think this was justified homicide, that's your prerogative.
That was never his claim. It is disingenuous to claim that it is. Also, you seem to be claiming that it was, in fact, homicide, yet you do not have sufficient evidence to make such a claim, nor are you in a position to properly investigate the matter. You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but you are stating your opinions as facts. This is what is euphemistically called "trial by Internet."
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Funny that you seem to be open for this situation, where their is video material and claim to be objective about it. But on the other hand you know what people "always" do, even though there is no video material...
Did you see any reason for the policeman to put pressure on his neck (no matter the color)?
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@b77
If he is calm and harmless why there is more than one officer-involved to hand-cut this guy?
"Did you see any reason for the policeman to put pressure on his neck (no matter the color)?"
"The arrest took place on Monday evening, the Minneapolis Police Department said in a statement, after officers responded to a call about a man suspected of forgery. The police said the man was found sitting on top of a blue car and “appeared to be under the influence.”
“He was ordered to step from his car,” the department’s statement said. “After he got out, he physically resisted officers. Officers were able to get the suspect into handcuffs and noted he appeared to be suffering medical distress.”
Yes, I see strict reason. This man is aggressive (maybe on drugs?) and as you see from the video he is acting against the police.
Here is an example of police techniques to handcut a guy do doesn't cooperate:
"In todays technique, the bad guy is on his back, arms folded over his chest and he isn't cooperating. It is important to note that there are various ways to defend this, and I am not claiming that this is the only way, but this technique is very effective. "
https://youtu.be/oW_vIniyG_U?t=246
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The knee-on-neck happened after the person was already hand cuffed though. You seem very keen on defending this unneccessary act of violance that has lead to someone's death.
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Knee on back/neck is used to prevent person from moving and attack. This technique also allows us to search for dangerous items. Look on video - this man shows this (but no how to safely search the body).
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Your title should be "White American Cops Kill Handcuffed Black Man Laying on Floor." Otherwise, you are making sensational claims without evidential foundation, and those do not really belong in our forum.
If your purpose is to spur civil discussion, then you need to encourage civil discussion with your post. If your goal is to inspire outrage, then you need to take it to another forum.
P.S.(I hope you already know that American news media cannot be trusted.)
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Fixed it Title tks for Tip
Edit: I just sharing videos that I saw and felt about the situation. I really don't know anything about American news media.
Also i'm Puerto Rican white guy and I literally cried when I saw that man begging in pain, calling his mom and then dying :(
PS. I don't mean to offend anyone, but what is wrong is wrong.
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Fixed it Title tks for Tip
thumbs up
I don't mean to offend anyone, but what is wrong is wrong.
True, of course. It is also true that serious matters should be judged in light of sound evidence and rational thought, not partial information and scandalous accusations which rely on emotional, knee-jerk reactions. Unfortunately, too many people in today's world seek validation instead of truth.
P.S. (Moved this discussion to Off-Topic, where it belongs.)
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serious matters should be judged in light of sound evidence and rational thought, not partial information and scandalous accusations which rely on emotional, knee-jerk reactions. Unfortunately, too many people in today's world seek validation instead of truth
So much this, well said.
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serious matters should be judged in light of sound evidence and rational thought, not partial information and scandalous accusations which rely on emotional, knee-jerk reactions. Unfortunately, too many people in today's world seek validation instead of truth.
Jesus, Khalaq. This is so well said. May I copy, save and use it in future discussions?
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Feel free to do so. I am merely repeating what I have heard from others countless times in my life.
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What American news? Seems a rather broad statement that lacks fact dear. Perhaps as a moderator of the site you should act with some prestige and perhaps at the least back up such a broad claim? Otherwise I could say things like the news as an entirety is a complete and utter lie, things like sandy hook were faked, and we should put a gun in everyone's hands. What's the worse that could happen? People who don't follow health guidelines, defamation lawsuits, and gun violence all come to mind. Not that there's any statistics that would support such a fact. Well, nothing that can't be dismissed as simply fake news, right?
At the very least, and I say very reluctantly, their was a use of unnecessary force, as once the person was restrained there was no need for that and in addition it is an improper way to restrain somebody, the knee goes in the middle of the back, not the neck, to avoid such an incident. There was no mistake in just how long the knee was placed there. As your title would read, in short, "Cops kill handcuffed man", the word there is kill. Is it significant, statistically speaking, that blacks are more likely to face police brutality, and similar issues? Yes. However, even if you and other's posting here want to remove race from the equation the fact stands that they killed them. These are trained officers, this isn't some gym event gone wrong or something. Maybe you aren't familiar with actual training, as most games tend to skip that part, but do some studying, some legwork.
If it had been rationalized would they have been fired? Losing their job is penance for murder? 'Cause I've had some jobs I've disliked, but if I restrained a boss who just so happened to die from it because he was doing something inappropriate I'd still go to jail.
So, in light of evidence, of the training that an Officer goes through, and in light of the charges that would have been leveled against Floyd, none of which carried the death penalty (who would have guessed?), and the lack of resistance (for which police are also trained, believe it or not the last resort is a gun, look up the Continuum of Force), do I consider it murder without a knee-jerk reaction?
Obviously.
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What American news? Seems a rather broad statement that lacks fact dear. Perhaps as a moderator of the site you should act with some prestige and perhaps at the least back up such a broad claim?
It was indeed a broad statement, and I did not dive into a full-blown discussion in my response. There are entire websites on the Internet dedicated to discussions of media bias and misinformation. (There are entire websites on pretty much any topic, including the Loch Ness monster.) If you want one current example, though, look at the entire "Trump colluded with Russia to steal the 2016 American Presidential Election" scam and the attempted coup which followed it (and is still ongoing). Despite finally leaking the truth (in bits and pieces) that it was all a lie, the vast majority of American media has yet to apologize for misleading us (and the rest of the world) for the past four years. (To be honest, I have yet to find a single outlet apologizing for any of it.)
My first, concrete experience with newspapers printing blatantly false information was back in 1991. Things have only gotten worse since then. It does not matter, however, how bald-faced the lies are, nor how easily disproven. People will choose to believe a lie if they find it more palatable than the truth.
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Truly horrific to watch, especially as he keeps repeating that he can't breath. I simply can't comprehend what's going on in the officer's head that he just ignores it.
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Yes yes, and the poor black man was surely 100% innocent. No way he was a criminal who deserved being handled roughly. No sir, if the bad racist white(!) cop just asked nicely, the black man would surely come with him and would not resist arrest in any way. Those horrible white people truly are the worst, are they not?
Look, seriously, if the man was innocent, the cops would have no reason to arrest him, let alone to use force. It's unfortunate if that resulted in someone's death, but trying to spin this as some ridiculous political bullshit just because the person in question so happens to be black? Typical >_<
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have you read the story or watched the video? if not you should.
this dude used printed fake coupons...
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Dude literally got killed because he was being "handled roughly". What in the hell are you blabbing about? There is a ton of cases when police arrest people because of mistaken identity, if follow your logic victim of that kind of arrest should just plead guilty immediately because cops cant arrest without reason, they some robots that never made mistakes. And there is something called presumption of innocence, you should probably looked it up.
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And there is something called presumption of innocence, you should probably looked it up.
Likewise ;)
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I'm sorry but I think a Handcuffed man surrounded by cops can't do much. If still he shows some kind of resistance use the frinking Taser! Not choke him to death!
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Political or not, the man was killed for what really amounts to a petty crime. Look up things like the Continuum of Force, do some research into proper restraining, training of police officers and so forth, then justify murder.
At least you'll do it from an educated standing point.
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I agree. Honestly, I think this is just another excuse for BLM and Antifa to riot and destroy things.
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Which world are you living in? Policeman are no holy spirits, who can't be wrong and you surely should not believe, that everything they do is righteous...
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Yes yes, and the poor black man was surely 100% innocent. No way he was a criminal who deserved being handled roughly.
I don't think he deserved to die while handcuffed on the ground. Do you think he deserved to die?
Black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers. Or if you prefer percents, as we use here on SG, blacks are 250% more likely to be shot and killed. I don't know what the problem is that's causing such a statistic, but there's clearly some sort of a problem that is resulting in US police disproportionately killing black Americans.
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Why does it matter if he was innocent? It's almost like the police have a procedure and that they aren't there to make convictions of if the perp is guilty or not. But who knows, maybe the judge actually convicted him and they were a special task force aimed at choking him to death for forgery. Fact is they didn't enforce the law there, did they?
Also, "the black man" literally did come with him... also, he can resist arrest without the threat of death as long as he doesn't endanger the lives of others. You literally can't shoot a running person unless they'd be a danger. The dude was a forger, not an active serial murderer or whatever might show that he is indeed going to harm anyone.
The race in question is one thing. But you're so triggered by the fact that the race doesn't fit your agenda so you can't even comprehend that the police shouldn't be this incompetent. You're the exact thing you argue against. You see the race and your bias and agenda get you all riled up.
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Are you just going by the title alone without even bothering to search about any of the details relating to this incident?
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Thanks for the blacklist <3
Sucks that some people simply don't see racism behind every corner, huh?
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haha, if that's the case so be it, but remember 1 thing anyone that BL me won't be able to enter my GA's either :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS2WPr1UpNM
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GamerdaXtremz
"haha, if that's the case so be it, but remember 1 thing anyone that BL me won't be able to enter my GA's either :D"
Gifts Won: 482 ($3,918.19)
Gifts Sent : 49 ($415.52)
You're taken from this community a lot more than you're given.
Exactly you're taken 10x more.
I will don't cry when I can't enter your giveaways.
The only loser here will be you when we see that your possibility to win a game will be decreased.
Think in that way. It's the only reasonable way...
If you blocking someone that giving more games than you... Yeah, smart move :)
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What's wrong being lucky in a raffle?
Edit: Take it down a notch ok?
Loser? why is that? Do you feel better than me because what!? you have given more games than me? For Now
Nor that i'm planning do any kind of race or competition with the porn bunny ;)
Also by saying your smart, doesn't make you one.
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This is not about the lottery but about the steamgifts community. The idea is to share games, so if you get individuals like you with such an attitude as "I deserve" it leads to a decrease in the number of giveaways possible to win for others.
You won't harm me with such behavior as blacklisting me. I'm already at level 10 and I've been giving away a lot more games than I win. But you're hurting other users by taking everything you can without thinking about others.
This is not a way of the idea of sharing.
Loser = defeated. In that meaning. Opposite of a winner.
In other words: You're blacklisting people who share games. He can't win anything from you (because you're not giving away games). So if you're blacklisted him.... you're won nothing. You're cut yourself for the possibility to win a game from him. This is a point. Now it's clear?
"Also by saying your smart, doesn't make you one."
I never told this.
I just showed you the error of your reasoning. Blocking someone who's giving away these games, you just won't win anything from him. If you're not giving anything away... how can he win anything from you?
You've made a very clever move!
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You could be Level 1k that's doesn't give you the right to be little others
Edit: You could even be rich and still I will never consider you better than me.
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"You could be Level 1k that's doesn't give you the right to be little others"
Can you explain?
"Edit: You could even be rich and still I will never consider you better than me."
I didn't write anything about wealth. Instead, I wrote about a misguided course of thought. And that if everyone starts to act in the same way as you do - just expecting, not giving anything from yourself - it will not lead us to a path of happiness and prosperity.
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Sure, your saying since I gave less games than you i'm just a loser (in your wacky, crazy, sick, way of thinking). You need help man(or girl) idk. God Help!
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"GamerdaXtremz
Sure, your saying since I gave less games than you i'm just a loser "
If you just block the person who's giving away... Then tell me, what will she lose? Who's the loser in this case? I guess you if you lock her up and you can't get into her games anymore?
You're still not understanding. This is not about you - but about the community. And this is that problem. I've told, that you're won 10x more games that you're given to the community. It's about your ratio, not about the difference between me and you.
You just take it, giving nothing to others. Don't you think that's a little selfish?
You only consider yourself instead of taking care of everyone around you.
Threads like this will get you a lot of BL.
I don't care about how much BL I enter. I'm an adult and responsible - I'm responsible for my acts. If somebody wants to block me - the way is open. That's how this site works, you don't have to explain your actions in this area. I just showed you the wrong way of thinking. Do what you think is right.
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1) SG don't obligate anyone giving anything. You give it because you want it to. Or feel it in your heart (if you have 1).
2) Example: if I Win 8 Million in a lottery. And Only give to my Family 300k that makes me a douche by your logic.
3) I'm a fricking gamer too I buy & play games and give away extra copies.
-What's Fcking Wrong with that!?
4) I don't care if you BL me or Not. I don't need you Either!
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1) So you don't want to / feel it in your heart (or have one), clear and simple. You weren't lucky in just winning much, you were just not giving much back, i got way more lucky then you, didn't stop me.
2) If you win 8 million and only give your family 300k then yeah it kinda sucks of you, i can understand the need to think about your own future first, i mean i given myself that thought many times what if i win 1 million (or more) which would barely be enough to go by, but 8 million? That's enough to give others, it's very selfish, you even mention just family then you are still thinking about others around YOU, with 8 million you should be even thinking about people you don't know.
3) The giving part, and yes noone is forced here to gift anything, alltogether some just might not like that attitude and thus blacklist you over it, clear and simple and a matter of take it or leave it.
There was a person here living on foodstamps and barely could scrape by with a family and still gifted (even gifted me a 50 cents game out of his heart), those are what makes the world a better place, it's all about karma.
Also speaking a bit more "grown up" without the fcking and fricking might earn some more respect.
If you would be here steadily more, gifting (and not just winning) you could have learned that these types of discussions only end up here in very heated discussions with a lot of fighting, that usually end up getting closed.
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Let's all take a step back and relax. There is no need for a flame war.
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On the very least you fail to consider on an economical level. GX (pardon the abbreviation) may not necessarily be in a position to give away as many games as you do. And besides, I for one think that you do get something from every BL, even if it limits you from games. A sense of moralism that some people lack comes to mind. I'd rather take the higher moral ground and not associate with people who excuse murder, even if that makes me miss a GA or two, and it could very well be the case here, in which case the loss of access to your GA's isn't even worth noting. In my opinion if you want a ratio to judge on, look at how many games people have played out of those they won. Joining games to win them just to fatten your library is something I'd agree was annoying, especially when other people may have enjoyed the game.
But, that's just my thoughts, and coming from somebody who has what I'd consider a decent ratio, it isn't the level 10 you boast, but I've only been around for four months, not years.
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It's not murder because a murder has other causes. In the case of murder, those police officers will be arrested immediately. According to press articles, this did not happen. Here we can talk about bringing about murder, not murder.
GA has nothing to do with this man's death. You're mixing and misrepresenting facts. The entire conversation was started due to the clickbait title and the content of the post. Please look that:
- the title was changed by the moderator
- the original post was edited and now it's different.
I'd also like to point out that I don't brag about anything. Read my statement again and quote where it says bragging. You are distorting my statement again. Consider the context of your statement.
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Would they be arrested immediately? That sounds like a whole different discussion. And let's disagree on what constitutes murder, as I've never been a big fan of the purge, let alone what we're going for here. Although, on the bright side, turning this into an abstract analysis for Psych wouldn't be hard, and would probably make a good paper.
My point about GA's and blacklisting aren't necessarily about George Floyd. They're about people who'd justify what happened here. I didn't reply to any editing done, and stand by the context of the posts I responded to, and in that context what I said, when I said it. I didn't mix anything, so nice try with the accusation, I'll simplify my statements, maybe you'll get them.
1) Blacklisting someone who does more GA's is not necessarily a loss.
2) It isn't a loss because of the morality in blocking people like you. If you don't know what morality is, that's not something I feel like helping you with at four in the morning (my time, in case you wanted to say it isn't 4).
3) Was it simple enough?
Also, by boasting I simply meant that you were flaunting it, you didn't say bragging, and I never said you did. Read my post.
Slowly. One. Word. At. A. Time.
You might get it! I don't count on it, as what little faith I have is reserved for people that it won't be wasted on, but I'll hope. And get some sleep, I've found sleep is more reliable.
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Ad.1 - For a guy, who only takes from others without creating a GA - will be. Because this will work in one way. (remember that this is not about BL me - but discussion when he is BL someone).
Ad.2 - What does morality have to do with it? What's wrong with my morals about you?
I wasn't bragging anywhere. Quote me? If you're tired and don't understand what you're reading, I suggest you go to bed.
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Indeed, it definitely is. What amused me was the way everyone jumped to the assumption they were the one BL'ed.
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Soo what do you suggest I put in title? Becase Asian guy didn't kill him I know, but let him do it. mmm any ideas?
-Also why this is here? Well let me think...because someone got frinking MURDERED!.
-Well I don't care about skin color. But USA Cops does. (Have you ever seen a white guy be threated like that in USA?)
-The Guy was Unarmed Handcuffed on the Floor
-NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW. Except if you're a Cop?
-That's the message we want to give the society if you want to murder anyone enter the Police and as bonus get out of jail free card?
-If I have done such atrocity I won't be here right now be either on jail or dead.
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OMG! WTF! is Wrong with USA Police!?
Psychos with Guns?
This is just Disgusting and Needs to be Stopped.
That guy did Nothing Wrong OMG! ;(
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Idk how accurate those guys are, but if they have any bias that would be a politically correct one so I guess we could expect their figures to not under estimate black deaths. TL;DR:
Blacks killed by whites 8%
Blacks killed by blacks 90%
Whites killed by whites 82%
Whites killed by blacks 15%
And
One of the official, and incomplete, sources for people killed at the hands of police is the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention violent death database. It shows a ratio of about 1.5 white deaths for each black death, in the period 2009 to 2013.
So what you did is basically pick up just one single case, and try to make an inaccurate generalization out of it
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That guy did Nothing Wrong OMG!
Perhaps I am misunderstanding you (because some posts have been deleted), but are you saying that the guy whom the police were apprehending did nothing wrong?
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ok..
1) I said: OMG! WTF! is Wrong with USA Police!?
2) I said: Psychos with Guns?
3) I said: This is just Disgusting and Needs to be Stopped.
4) and you only read the forth? I said: That guy did Nothing Wrong OMG! (I ment that for the DEAD Guy)
All of those where my reaction in 1 single post
Also I haven't Deleted Any
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I read all of them. I only commented on the last one because I find it difficult to believe that you actually meant what you said. Going only by what you wrote, it would seem that you think the police would be called to a scene where a man is doing absolutely nothing wrong, then use multiple officers to apprehend him, then force him to the ground and handcuff him, then keep him there (for any length of time at all).
That makes zero sense. At bare minimum, there has to be a reason for them to approach a person in the first place. American police are not even allowed to detain you (i.e. keep you in one place) without giving you the reason for that detainment. It's the law.
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As a person that many would call a "bootlicker" even I can agree that this is just cruel. I definitely don't agree with the title though. really?
"White American Cops Kill Handcuffed Black Man Laying on Floor."
If you want to bring race into this than the title should be "White and ASIAN American Cops Kill Handcuffed Black Man Laying on Floor." because one of those police officers was of Asian descent. But really, unless you can read that police officer's mind then you have no idea if he was a racist or not. IMO this comes down to poor training and common sense.
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I'm sorry but can I ask for context? What did he do?
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Yep, I got to that part now. Please don't tell me it's just about his expired driving license. That's just outrageous.
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One of the posts, further back, provides some additional information, but I do not know how accurate said information is.
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Yes the cop is guilty, but why would you lay such stress on both of their skin colour? Isn't it racist?
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Was going to type up a long comment but I'm pretty tired so that's not happening right now. I'm also wary of throwing out claims without any actual backing. So I'll just throw some information up and people can make of it what they will.
Minneapolis Police Department - Use of Force Policy
This provides the actual use of force policy for the police department involved - including what restraints can be used and when they should be used, there are also definitions for types of resistance which warrant further action, there may be other useful stuff there but that's what I saw so far.
This article is where I found the source, the article has opinions of those who apparently have experience in proper Use of Force. I'm not claiming that these set of experts override other experts or that they're necessarily right, its just an article which lead me to an actual source on Use of Force policy so I thought I'd include it as they're discussing the source in part of it.
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Oh god another controversy racial thread, in which we are gonna fight in, meanwhile i didn't post about jimmy fallon apologizing after 20 year over blackface (by just doing a Chris Rock imitation).
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To be fair, one's a 20 year old clip and it's generating drama. Here a man died and it brings up the question of police reform, racial tensions and protests. One's definitely bigger than the other.
Though yeah, it's cringeworthy to read most comments here, no matter what side they support or go against.
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This is one of the saddest videos I've ever seen, it reminded me of the death of Eric Garner, his last words were also "I can't breathe." except this time the guy was not resisting arrest at all.
The cops around are also assisting the killing of this man, let's not blame it on only one cop....
Why aren't they simply putting the suspect in the back seat of the police car? Do they really need to put them in a chokehold and suffocate to death in the ground? After several videos like this, I guess this is what they teach the cops in their training in NA which is pretty scary for anyone who has to deal with cops. I bet this chokehold position has way higher mortality rate than corona.
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NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW. Except if you're a Cop?
Nope, a corrupted politician, a judge, a millionaire, the government, there's plenty more you can think of that is "above the law". Besides, I think the people I just mentioned have done something much, much worse and have kept it as a secret. Also you just said you don't care about skin color but then you just brought it up the second time.
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Yea, so what? Police kills a lot of people around the world. Just write in google "Igor Stachowiak death". In Poland they choked , tortured on police station and brutally murdered innocent man. Pigs were sentenced to 2 years in jail. Police just like to kill people, it doesn't mean they are racists (though many are).
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Again it boils down to racism and we kind of overlook that its police brutality in essence.
People like you just fuel racism by throwing race in everything. Concentrating ONLY on that.
No doubt its tragic situation and that policeman should be apprehended for this. But what help does people like you bring to this discussion ? The title is good for only one thing - controversy. Being on the other side of world from USA, first news that came to me is how its evil white man against black people and there is no mention about police killing someone - that has been left in the backstage. Like all the other times it has evolved into idiotic race war because people like you fuel it with turning this into thing of race instead of it being about police brutality.
When you report things like these they have to be neutral not controversial.
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Oh Please...have you been living under a rock lately? Donald Trump The President of USA is Racist(Also has been accused of rape, sexual assault, and sexual harassment, including non-consensual kissing or groping, by at least 25 women since the 1970s.) Everybody knows about it and still won the Elections regardless. Don't try hide the clouds barehanded because you just can't.
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What ? Like seriously what was the point of this comment ? Yes, he is racist and scumbag. And now deal with it - dont vote for him this time. But how does that translate to police brutality ? And how does that affect this being more about race instead of police brutality ?
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How does Donald Trump affect USA Police you asked?
Well... he's According to the Constitution, Article 128, Section II, Title IV, the president is the head of foreign policy, the civil administration and the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces, the National Police and all other state's security agencies
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Oh yeah - he came down to Minneapolis PD and said to the police officer "You kill the next black disabled person because you are white"
Or are you trying to tell me that Trump has written in the constitution "Police officers have to use excessive force in their work, especially if the suspect is black" !?
This is becoming laughably ridiculous. The police officer did this because hes an ass and abused his power. And THAT IS THE PROBLEM WHAT WE HAVE TO CONCENTRATE ON. Not fueling another race war, trying to pin this on Trump or whatever the hell your trying to do here. Want change ? Look at how police are recruited - profile them , test them, train them. Try to eradicate police brutality, not wage a war on everything but that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WJ_5OtyfDo <------ this, try to recruit policeman with sense of decency instead of fueling race war that destroys your own home country.
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Accusations are just that, accusations. They are not proven. Now am I saying he hasn't done the things he's accused of? No, but I'm also not saying he has. As an individual, with no first hand knowledge of any of the given situations, I have no right to assume his guilt, or his innocence, but, you know how it is in the eyes of the law, which people tend to forget because they let their emotions cloud their judgement... Innocent till proven guilty. As for his apparent racism, I don't keep up with everything, but is there any evidence to back it up?
Trump may be a tool who doesn't know how to think before he speaks, among other things, but... I'm not about to just assume he's everything people say without proof, nor should anyone else. Especially in a day and age where people will brand each other everything over something as petty as a difference of opinion.
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What I hate in these situations that people get so "angry" they start looting and vandalising to "honor" the guy's death. Sure its horrible if someone die while getting arrested, but you sure wont make the public opinion about race better when you use this to rob a shoe store.
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Agree, I was telling something similar to my dad when I was seeing the News.
Those store owners have nothing to do with that guys murder. I'm sure some criminals took advantage of the situation to rob and vandalize.
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Oh, it has NOTHING to do with honor, or that means death. It's just an excuse to do it. The cycle continues.
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Cop killed cuffed man! Enough said. STOP PUTTING RACE INTO EVERYTHING
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But was wrong with the title now? The cop was white and the murdered guy that was black. If they were other color like, red, green, blue, purple, pink I would have said it too. I didn't said anything about hate or Racism in the title. But you guys in the comment section made me think about The President of USA Donald Trump (Racist, Sex offender, ect) that is the head of foreign policy, the civil administration and the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces, the National Police and all other state's security agencies. That have done Nothing about this situation.
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it is racism against whites. You even have the title name "White American Cop Kill Handcuffed Black Man Laying on Floor".... "WHITE"
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There is absolutely nothing racist about pointing out the colour of someone's skin, unless in a context intended to discriminate against them. That said, is it a necessity to do so in this given situation? Not really, but in the end, who cares. Whether it's pointed out or not, tons of people are still going to fall into race baiting nonsense once they look into the situation for themselves, because for some reason, people seem to love being outraged, or victims, just so they have a scapegoat for their own shortcomings in life.
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if it weren’t racism then it would be written like "an American policeman killed a man in handcuffs"
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I don't see how simply saying white or black is discriminatory in nature. The words are descriptors, nothing more. It's the context in which they're used which would determine racism.
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While it is not racist to mention skin color when it is contextually relevant, its inclusion or proclamation without contextual relevance can be seen as racism because it demonstrates a sensitivity to something that should not even matter.
One real-life example (out of a countless many):
"You're Muslim? But you're white...."
"What does my skin color have to do with my belief system?"
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I fail to see how a comment like "You're Muslim? But you're white...." would be considered racism. Yes, it's true, your skin colour has nothing to do with your belief system, however... The statement isn't inherently racist, it's possible it's not meant to discriminate (tho I guess tone/inflection could change that). It could simply be ignorance or lack of understanding. That said, I'm confused, are you agreeing with naHalyavy's stance on the title being racist for it's inclusion of white and black, because considering you suggested that title, it would be a bit strange to suddenly agree it's racist...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWzkgKPZWcw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmCyu_DaMYw
I know not every police is bad (never said that). I think murders should be in jail not only fired from their jobs, Come on Man!?
Edit: Asian Cop is accessory to murder. But White Cop was the one that Murder him
-Some Complain about white cop vs Black
-Well I don't care about skin color. But USA Cops does. (Have you ever seen a white guy be threated like that in USA?)
-The Guy was Unarmed Handcuffed on the Floor
-NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW. Except if you're a Cop?
-That's the message we want to give the society if you want to kill anyone enter the Police and as a Bonus get out of jail free card?
-If I have done such atrocity I won't be here right now be either on jail or dead.
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