Whoa, that person who is abusing -repping people even asks people who won giveaways to give him rep? Isn't that technically abuse of Steamgifts rules as well?
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- Don't call out other users
- SteamTrades doesn't have support
- Use barter.vg
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- I just wanted to show that problem is not only mine.
- That's why I made this topic.
- I tried to use it, but interface is too complicated for me.
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There's also lestrades.com, which I find much friendlier. Perhaps try that.
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barter is really good for trading once you get used to it.
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I found people just decline an offer (even when it's fair) and not respond at all. Barter just doesn't really work for me.
It's like people want 2 games for 1 or expect ridiculously high offers for their bundled games.
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that's any trading site tho. its hard doing game for game do to likes and wants. trades where alot easier when tf2/cs:go keys were relevant currency
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Sorry, I got curious and checked your offers :3
Honestly, they simply were not good. I'm not surprised that people declined them...
In my opinion the biggest difference between streamtrades and barter is that you have a lot of statistics on barter.
Like you can always see how many people have the game in their tradeables or how many have it wishlisted. Also you see how often it was bundled or given away for free.
And all this data makes it easier to judge the "value" of a game.
Of course there are also other criterias, like is it a humble bundle gift link or just a key from DIG or something, etc, etc.
A lot of people also use the price on the grey market to decide if a trade is worth it.
But as a general rule of thumb: Try to offer people something with a similar or better tradeables/wishlist ratio and you will most likely be more successful on barter and maybe like it more :)
Anyway, that's just my thoughts...I'm not an expert, just my experience from when I started using barter :3
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Everytime people asks me why and why I got those reps. And everytime they are not sure to trade with me when they see 3 reps from 3 accounts. But its easy to see - 3 accounts = 1 person.
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Actually I expect that. Admins from Steamgifts (not Steamtrades) don't like when people are saying negative truth about them, so yeah...
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No, it’s because you’re being rude and arrogant on a site that isn’t the one you’re referring to.
You’re calling out people, and expecting your own problems to be sorted out on a site which doesn’t owe you anything.
You want to be banned from this site, where you’ve been privileged, and clearly won a ton of nice games, while doing very few giveaways yourself
Stop throwing stones and get a real life. Check yourself before you wreck yourself.
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They clearly didn't read the rules and if they did it looks like they didn't understand what was stated in them.
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That's true but it won't be for this reason. Calling out is forbidden.
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"Fix your shit site to make it usable." is definitely a sentence that will make things go your way. :D Good luck.
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Hopefully everyone can forget that Steamtrades exists so we don't have to have redundant threads complaining about it.
Trading in 2020 LuL
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USELESS SUPPORT
They just simply closed my ticket because it's not their problem.
Our "Useless" support team members volunteer our time to handle exactly what we are supposed to, Steamgifts. There's no support for Steamtrades and to my knowledge there won't again. Maybe you should use another trade site. You may want to just close this thread up on your own.
Sorry about your "rep"... not really. Honestly I could care less if you get -100.
EDIT: I really should have taken the high road and not included the last sentence in my comment.
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if you want help, remove all the insults. after that people will take you serious. other than that you will get banned and get more frustrated. :D
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If you already know all of this then why are you posting on Steamgifts. Stop using steamtrades and use another platform. Your name seems to be quite apt and you may just need to take a deep breath. It does suck when people -rep you though so I understand but venting on here is not going to get you any help.
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While I agree that the website should have some form of monitoring, ranting about it like this won't do you any favors.
The support in Steamgifts are not paid at all, they are volunteers. They are super swamped already with Steamgifts to deal with Steamtrades as well. Honestly I would prefer it if cg would just close down Steamtrades already since it is technically abandoned and save us all the trouble.
There are a lot of other trading websites... with actual moderators that can protect you if you bothered looking for them. Sure it may suck to 'start all over again' with your rep but that's still better than no protection at all.
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Well look at the reactions you triggered out of it.
Assuming you are from 1994, means you are 25-26, thus expected a bit more mature in your reactions as you are just acting like a small kid or just trolling, or both.
For the rest no problem, i don't care further about this topic.
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Ohh kid, you don't know life. No one needs to be virtue like you.
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Hehe not knowing about life, kid you wouldn't even have survived one day in my shoes, i been around a lot longer then you with more problems most will ever face in their life.
I am not virtue, you just need stop acting so smug and like a j.....s which i just wont say as i dont even want to risk suspension over you, you are not worth it.
Hope mods will step in soon enough, close this down and hopefully suspend you too for a bit.
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Good, then cg does not needs it too, and you are stupid to create a topic like this, kid.
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It seems the relevant points have already been brought up by other users. I would prefer there to be a moderator for SteamTrades so that I could get my own bogus -rep removed, but there is not, so I must deal with reality the best I can. Here on SteamGifts, however, we do have Mods, and they volunteer their time to deal with people abusing our site the way you just did.
If I had come across your post before you cleaned it up, I would have suspended you for calling out. It seems, however, that you have enough sense to listen to the warnings of others as there is currently "nothing to see, here." While it could be argued that this thread is irrelevant to SG and basically constitutes spam (as currently written), I do not find that sufficient reason to close it.
Please continue to follow SteamGift's Guidelines in the future.
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Nice speech (clap, clap)
BTW. If you are already here, tell cg to clean and fix steamtrades. Thank you.
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Right, because I have never brought up the subject with him?
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How abou inappropriate behavior and incorrect section for this topic? (it has nothing to do with sg, so nothing for it to do in bugs/suggestions).
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"Inappropriate behavior"
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/CbmfF/how-about-fixing-steamtrades#Hu5c5VK
Sorry kid, but I'm not insulting you, but you are insulting me.
"incorrect section for this topic? (it has nothing to do with sg"
Yea, like 70% topics here has nothing to this site.
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You are insulting the whole site (thus everyone here) and being very condescending.
It doesnt matter if they haven't to do anything with the site atleast they are in the right categories.
What you do is for bugs/suggestions for this site only, not steamtrades as it's something different.
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Go on, file a ticket. Don't forget to remind support how useless they are while doing this, it must help.
And you need to be at least twice elder than now to call me kid. Of course you can do this regardless, but you will look very funny.
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SteamTrades is an un-moderated website and it will stay that way -- CG has abandoned it. So you're wasting your time (and risking a suspension on SteamGifts) for nothing.
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The site is still in use, and a lot of honest trades happen there as well, even if those angry people who come here complaining about it make it look like there is nothing but scammmers and abusers there. I haven't traded in months, but I did still trade a lot long after people started complaining about it. And I have not encountered a single scammer. So, there are people who give a shit about it and want to keep it.
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What do you mean "soon"? ST has been without moderation for years. It won't dramatically change from here on. It will more or less stay as it is now. Is it perfect? No, far from it. And I would prefer it to have moderation again. But as long as it has value for some people, why not keep it? Or let le rephrase: why should the people who do not use the site decide for the people who actually use it that it gets shut down? Because that is my impression in ST discussions - the people who call for it to be shut down usually don't use it anyway.
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Sorry, I didn't want to say that your opinion doesn't matter or anything like that. It read to me like you don't use the site, and I have seen numerous statements of people who don't use it and want to shut it down. I always think how does it hurt them if they don't use it anyway. But you're right, your opinion matters, and it would even if you didn't use the site. Anyway, my experience is that I can still have a lot of honest trades there. But I guess scammers usually avoid experienced traders and go for the beginners instead. For them the experience might be quite different.
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It's not as easy to trade for gems on barter, and near impossible to trade for trading cards or paypal.
A different site where you can trade anything is pretty much essential. There are probably other sites than steamtrades for this, but I don't know them personally (I know of reddit forums, but their search engine is a nightmare, which makes it impossible to use them for me. Steamtrades is not that much better, but it's still better)
I personally use barter and steamtrades together, and they complement each other.
barter is not perfect: the fact that you can disable comments on trades is a big mistake from the developer imho, and I find that there are way more scammers on barter. Not scammers that will take your game and not give you anything, scammers that will offer you free games for your AAA unbundled game, which is a different kind of scam. I mean everytime humble bundle gives a free game, I receive a lot of offers on barter.
(Also your last point doesn't really apply: there is an export feature on barter, so you can export your tradables to steamtrades very easily. Sure, it is not automatic and takes a few seconds)
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I use Steam Trades along with Barter and a smaller Steam group. In my experience each has different advantages and I get more done using all three. Barter's search functions are great, but I usually get responses much faster on ST. On Barter people routinely fail to respond at all. ST is also more flexible, and I seem to get low balled less often.
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Oh, yes, me too. I was thinking of actual offers made on others' threads. If the thread is active offers will generally get a prompt response. On Barter I've perpetually dealt with people simply letting the offer expire without ever responding.
My own thread often just sits there unless I'm advertising something especially desirable. On the other hand, when I listed Humble choice items the last two months I had a steady stream of offers for days.
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I'm not a fan of trading, but is there really no moderation over there? :o I definitely wouldn't use a trading site that is complete anarchy, sounds like there are only bad times to be had.
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It is 'community moderated', you can vote on reviews, whether they are rightfull or not as far as I recall. But if there aren't too many people using the site, it's probably quite easy to game the system.
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As in it's fully moderated by the same bots that spam and scam people. Giving the Internet free reign of any site is the stupidest idea ever.
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I rarely trade, but I've never had any problems with my trades on steamtrades. The last of which happened just a couple of weeks ago, long after the site was severed from sg.
Speaking only for myself, I'll continue to trade there as well as via barter or lestrades.com.
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I had a lot of successful trades with nice people there, even after it lost its moderation. People who have a bad experience tend to give the impression that the site is completely unusable, but that's really not the case. But it's far from perfect, no doubt.
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More like the couple ancient users still left give a false impression that it works well because they just keep trading with each other and face none of the problems new users do.
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Honestly, it's hard for me to say how the new user experience is. But I can at least say that I didn't just trade with people I know there. I trades with strangers with way less rep than me.
I guess asking an experienced trader how the site is makes about as much sense as only listening to angry people who only talk about their negative experience. The truth is probably somewhere inbetween.
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I will also add that OP had those 3 -rep over a year ago. And this is the only negative reputation he's ever gotten. Before that and since then he had lots of successful trades (and only successful trades!). So even though he's angry now (and rightfully so), it's not all bad. Overall his experience is actually quite positive.
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Just 1 bad experience is often enough for people. Especially since it clearly demonstrates how rotten the feedback system is and how trivial it is to manipulate for commercial gain.
I bet that for $100 one could buy an account with 1000 +reps all from bots and then scam everyone while the same bots just downvote all -reps. Would you as a new user trust a system like that?
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Starwhite is saying that, now, a newer trade account can get 1000+ rep, very quickly, all from bots, and pass for a old high rep account.
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I wish there was a sticky or a FAQ/Trading 101 section that would explain safe trading practices... Sure, it looks that quite a few people can't even be bothered to read SG's FAQ and guidelines so I suppose such a section on ST would be ignored by a lot, but at least, that'd be better than nothing and might help raise awareness.
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True. Hence why it's even more important to look into other peep's rep before trading. Someone who has gathered lots of feedback in a relatively short amount of time, that's certainly something that raises red flags in my books.
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Just 1 bad experience is often enough for people.
Yes, that's what I meant. The negative experiences always stick with you more than the positive ones. I am not saying that ST is in perfect shape. It definitely is not. But I also have the feeling that people tend to paint an overly negative picture in threads like this. Someone who doesn't use the site can easily get the impression that it's basically only scammers and victims over there. And that's just not the case.
Especially since it clearly demonstrates how rotten the feedback system is and how trivial it is to manipulate for commercial gain.
It certainly is easier to do than it was before with moderation, no doubt. But how often does it actually happen? The guy in question got a fresh -rep from you yesterday (which of course is also against the rules on your part) and his supposed bots didn't prevent that. So, if he is such a criminal mastermind with a thousand bots, why was it so easy for you to give him negative feedback and why would that not work just the same way for all the people he supposedly scammed?
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Barter is much better, steamtrades is an abandonned old crap, it used to be nice with russian traders but now it's pointless.
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Gifts Won 203 ($1,501.27)
Gifts Sent 12 ($106.89)
I think it's called karma
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Simple solution is to make your own site which you don't get any money for and hire staff to administrate it.
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I agree with the general sentiment but to say that cg isn't making any money off of SG is a fallacy. No one would run this site merely out of altruism. That's just common sense. Between advertising on every giveaway page, patreon, and referral links there is money coming in.
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... there is money coming in.
...and going out.... The fact that CG considered this site an "acceptable loss" is a fair indicator that it's not a cash cow for him.
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If you say so. Obviously there are costs involved but I think he is pulling in more than you or other people realize. Good for him. I ain't drinking the kool-aid though.
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And now compare it to steamtrades. 174k vs 8k. And more or less same expenses. Do you still belive cg would care about it?
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I think these sites are extremely inaccurate. This one here lists only 77k annual ad income:
https://www.siteprice.org/website-worth/steamgifts.com
Your result differs from that by more than 100%.
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Well, you saved me explaining Chapter 1, Accounting 101. Thank you.
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If you say so.
Do not misinterpret what I wrote. I have no idea what CG's expenses are. I have no idea what CG's income is. I have no idea how much it costs for CG to keep this site operational. For that matter, I do not even know what server setup he currently uses. All I know is what I told you, and that basically amounts to "CG has multiple sources of income."
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That's not necessarily true about someone not running a site for fun. I was staff on a forum site for years where the owner was actually making losses on it. But, it was a labor of love. He had another site, that in fact was his main source of income because it was selling a sort of service to IT people... but our one, he just left the running up to us and only took care of tech issues. In the end, he sold it as he didn't see it as an acceptable loss anymore.
Not saying that the owner is making any huge losses here, it might very well be running in the green, but I'm willing to bet that due to hosting costs, it's not making a whole lot. The server costs of a site this big can be very high.
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You clearly no nothing about how hosting works then. :P
The site I was talking about was a forum MUCH smaller than this one with 100,000+ members, with 15 years of text content :P, but was using in excess of 250GB in bandwidth per month. (I know because I was an administrator). Not all of those would be active. SG, has 10 times the membership. It has nothing to do with the text, but the visitors.
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No. There was nothing to download. It was just a fan forum, so no different than this one and hosted, nothing. This one even has giveaways, ours did not, it was just a forum for people to shitpost on about games and anime. lol. Every time you view a page, you are essentially downloading it. Multiply those itty bitty bites by how ever many visitors view the pages on your site each month and it adds up. Remember, the pages are also getting indexed by search engines, so that will bring in outside traffic too.
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Well, people do tend to over-estimate how much ad-revenue that a site like this one can make. It's a lot harder to successfully monetize a site with ads when most people use blockers nowadays. (Although I tend to switch it off for sites I like, so long as their ad placements are reasonable) It's probably making enough from the Patreon and whatever ad revenue it does make to keep it in the green, but there's no way it's any kind of cash cow. ;)
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Not that I'm not sympathetic about scamming and other shady stuff that goes on as I've done trading there myself in the past, and if you had a legit case of trade feedback abuse it shouldn't have simply been dismissed/ignored..... but at the same time active monitoring and cleaning up the whole thing would be a huge undertaking and unfortunately is not really practical or feasible here. It is what it is.
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you have many options to solve this life crisis (cue dramatic violin):
what you can do:
- stop using steamtrades if it's so bad
- find a site that fulfills your requirements
- make a new trade site that matches your needs
- stop trading 10-cents games and instead do something more productive
- stop treating steamtrades like a wall street platform for business, and deal with its shortcomings (since it's a free site and you make profit out of trading)
what cg can do:
- spend time and money on something that returns $0 revenue
- close down steamtrades and get rid of freeloaders
- ignore people complaining
problem solved
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I grasp your rhetorical thrust, and I know what you're saying is probably directed to this specific situation. Still, the general negativity about ST and its users in this thread has me feeling a bit defensive.
I ended up on SG because I was looking for a trade site and stumbled on ST. For me, then, ST has always bee primary. I've gotten a lot of use out of it over the past handful of years. I was surprised when it was cut loose, and I'm grateful its been set up and maintained. It's a good site--was and is. I'd be sad if it were closed down to "get rid of freeloaders". As I've mentioned a couple places above, I don't find the alternatives clearly preferable.
(And part of what's good about ST may well be a vestige of it being part of SG. For an online community, this one seems fairly kind and decent. Sites develop a culture.)
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i should have mentioned i posted these "solutions" not only because ST isn't working as expected for the general public (no moderation, no minimum requirements to register, etc)... it's because the site has been like that for over 2 years (if i remember correctly) and it looks like it will remain like that. 🤷
so the best option is to move elsewhere instead of keep telling cg to "fix it" and getting angry when someone gets negative feedback, scammed, spammed, etc.
people need to realize they can post suggestions and advice, but when they get ignored for a long time it's time to move on and find a new place.
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people need to realize they can post suggestions and advice, but when they get ignored for a long time it's time to move on and find a new place.
Pretty much - at this point it's pretty much a given that ST is still open only because cg figured people would be more pissed if the website was shutdown entirely, than being entirely neglected (as it is right now). We should be satisfied with the fact that the website even exists anymore (for those of us who actually still use it). And if that's not good enough, seeking alternatives is the best solution.
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Hello. I would like to remind you how Steamtrades is broke thanks to this guy: https://steamcommunity.com/id/steamgamesales/
No, I'm not saying about bugs, but about shit in there.
Yes. THERE ARE NO admins on Steamtrades.
THERE ARE plenty people using bots, many accounts, scamming.
What is wrong with you cg. You forgot you are developer of steamtrades?
I got 3 minus reps from one person. Because I told him that using multiple accounts (and using bots) in not allowed on that site. So he gave me -reps.
I thought they will be removed by using "Vote on Reviews" by help of people.
But what about paying fucking people to keep those reps. Yes. That guy paid people to make those rep stay on my profile.
Of course I contacted Support.
USELESS SUPPORT
They just simply closed my ticket because it's not their problem.
BTW This happened to this guy too >deleted link<
So, let me say this to you cq:
FIX YOUR SHIT SITE TO MAKE IT USABLE.
Thank you.
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