I love it. Sadly see you in 10 weeks. Happy new-year.

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? o_O

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They don't ban for coal farming, don't be stupid.

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they doing it right now. Read a book.

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They do not, they have no right to do so.

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Seems like they're removing alternate inventories, though.

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yeah careful trading for coal, the coal will be tracked. Though if you are in the clear you can write to steam support and they'll make up for it if they can.

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coal farmers have over 1 steam account and have broken their Eula. They've also exploited a charity for their own personal gain. Super scum. And yes steam does ave the right. here

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Funny how people aren't throwing a shitstorm over this, because if this was EA, a coup d'état would have been started already.

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it's because people really went out of their way. They deserve everything that they get. I'm just sad they aren't perma banning these people.

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Would never happen cause EA doesn't give away free things, they charge for it. Don't even bother.

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What is your definition of coal farming?

They're clamping down on people who made multiple accounts to get lots of stuff from the free achievements. That's what we're talking about. And they have every right to do so because the contest rules state that only one account per person may enter. Everyone who has coal on multiple accounts is fair game to be disqualified from the contest.

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that is the very def of coal farming.

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that is the very def of coal farming.

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But the accounts do not get banned for that, they are just not eligble no win the grand prize.

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they get banned tom

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"One manual entry per Holiday Sale Objective, one Steam account per entrant, and one Epic Holiday Giveaway win per user."

What makes you think Valve doesn't have the right to hand out smackdowns?

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there is my Epic Holiday Giveaway win?

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Who the hell told you that Valve has no right to make justice in their own system? I'm truly curious what young ones are smoking these days.

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They do, actually. The Terms of service of every event, says you can't use more than one account.

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Whazze, they have all the right to ban you for whatever reason they feel like it; it's in their terms of use that you and everybody else has accepted that they will disable your account without prior notice deem they find it suspicious.

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Op is jealous cause only get 25% Valve coupons only

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agreed

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am I op cuz if so I got renegade ops, borderlands goty, and bunch of heroes form steam from achievements and crafting.

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All I have for valve coupons is a 33% off, but I'm still glad to see that Valve is (trying) to crack down on the abusers. It's bad for business when some users cheat the system to get a thousand free entries and a large portion of the participation prizes for your holiday sweepstakes; kind of makes sponsors think twice about supporting such an event again. Not that that would be a bad thing considering the overall response.

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says zero23ku, the lazy unemployed guy whos desperately begging on 4chan for new games everyday and probably didnt pay for any of the games in his account.

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Why you hating? I doubt they will get banned.

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b/c those same people have abused charity to do it. 50/hib = 50 accounts and with sam it's like over 500 coal. in most countries they've broken two laws.

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I guess.

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Which law did they break(I am curious about it, not trolling you)? :o

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ok, what if they have 50 accounts but didnt use the humble bundle? What now, and its just idiotic claiming anyone has broken any laws here, its purely a civil matter

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50 accounts is breaking the giveaway rules, perfectly within Valves right to ban their ass.

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They HAVE to be banned or disqualified, as they would be in legal hot water if they didn't. Also, I don't know how you can justify giving people an unfair advantage unless you are farming yourself, in which case I hope this thread becomes a giant honeypot. . . .

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"HAVE to" [citation needed]

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Its in United States Law. If you really want to read about it, google search Sweepstakes Laws.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweepstakes
"Because of their potential for abuse, sweepstakes are heavily regulated in many countries."
Great read if you are uneducated. The FTC CAN come down on you if Valve so chooses. I think they should imo.

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Yes, because i am american and subject to US law >.>

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Because...they ran the gift pile out of non-Valve games and made the great giveaway barely worth entering? I doubt Valve has picked up on all of them. The giveaway would have been so much better if cheating people hadn't made things worse for the rest of us.

That's why we're hating.

Looking at your inventory, you're likely one of these people.

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they'll get them. They are using a programn to find the accounts that have humble indie bundles to start account. some scammers are stupid. If you one of them right now reading this Really stupid. feel that sweat as you rush to your account each time waiting for them to find you ummm . . . yeah I'll stop.

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dude you got some serious mental issues

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this, but OVER NINE THOUSAND TIMES!

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what how hard is it to find the accounts that have a humble indie bundle code and all achievements with no games really now?

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Nice coal farming there, friend. I bet those vouchers are gonna be super useful for ya!

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This is the thread for reference.

And Steam has every right to ban them, most people don't understand what the Steam Subscriber Agreement is.

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Although I agree that these people deserve temporary bans, I believe that it's illegal in many countries. The subscriber agreement doesn't override the law.

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It's not illegal for VALVE to ban users. VALVE are located in the US, which makes THEIR rules apply, no matter where you are. Simple as that, they have EVERY right to ban you. You even agreed to have your account closed at any point if they think you're doing anything illegal;

"Valve may terminate your Account or a particular Subscription for any conduct or activity that Valve believes is illegal, constitutes a Cheat, or which otherwise negatively affects the enjoyment of Steam by other Subscribers."

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+1 to this. You agree to Valve's rules. Learn your lesson and don't abuse charities coal farmers. This is why we can't have nice things in the world.

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Actually you're wrong. For example, Valve operates Steam in the UK, which a registered UK store. This store is bound by UK laws, which take precedent over the eula and subscriber agreement. If you go looking you can find sources of people demands refunds in the uk, with valve telling them to gtfo, and they simply state some laws in the UK protecting them, and valve are forced to refund their money, even though there is nothing in the US that binds valve to this. By operating as a registered business overseas valve are bound to that countries laws. If you're in the EU, subscriber agreements and EULA's mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, courts have a precedent of chucking them out and will continue to do so.

tl;dr = "VALVE are located in the US, which makes THEIR rules apply, no matter where you are."

LOL NOPE

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that but because he's in the Us he's right even in eula it says "laws according to your country." So in essence if in US you are bound by EULA by the laws of the country that you are in. But yeah Vale, If I'm not mistaken is UK.

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Valve is based in Bellevue, Washington. He was saying that the Steam storefront is registered in the UK as a licensed distributor of digital content, just like it is in the US, and is therefore subject to the laws in the United Kingdom as well. I don't know how the court system works in the UK so I'm taking Mir's word for it, but it's appalling that they would just disregard the EULA and subscriber agreement.

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then I'm mistaken. but as for laws, it depends. if a Eula breaches the set laws of a country then there is no standing of rules. Like the expiry date on valves coupons is against the law here in Canada, but that's minor. That's also why most people can't get games on steam. but no mater what country you are from coal farming would be classified as stealing or even fraud.

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Mir you are basing your argument over an image you saw that is in no way related to what is going on at the moment.

You do not live in the UK and should not spread misinformation based on assumptions, and bias; because you're a coal farmer aswell.

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/Care
At every platform, game, community... there are always people who abuse the system.

and come on, a 10 week ban??? Even i would use 500000 steam accounts for farming, if the only consequence would be a 10 week ban xD

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I think they get permanently disqualified from all future contests too.

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and u will lose all your loot so u will be just wasting time

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maybe they used some 3rd party apps or sumthing if there is??

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yeah SAM.

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A friend told me that SAM is not even working for winter achievements.

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It is.

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SAM won't work , since achievement data is online for this one , not server sided.

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from what I understand it did. I don't know though never tried.

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I actually did it with Crimecraft (not planning on downloading a 11gb game for one achievement honestly), the program worked fine and the achievement was registered without an issue.

There are few server side achievements at the moment.

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Actually, only Spiral Knights has it's data online.

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I read this thread and everyone's mad.

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agree 100%

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Glad they're getting banned, pity it's only temp.

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Congrats Valve on taking the right action. Too bad they wouldn't extend the Gift pile for us legal users but hey, it was fun playing the games =)

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Retards in this thread. SAM is not banable, VALVe is not banning for having multiple accounts.

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Just admit that you're wrong, stop digging yourself into a deeper hole.

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People have used SAM for a very long time. I have yet to hear anyone get banned for it. Multiple accounts.. well look at TF2. There are people with 50 accounts farming. Valve doesn't care. Once you started cheating at their event to receive more gifts that angered almighty Gaben.

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I am not wrong, keep believing your shit source.

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I'm not sure his kind even know when they're wrong. It's kinda sad, really.

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While Valve doesn't ban for using SAM, I do understand that they are beginning to implement serverside achievements. Perhaps, by the next event, SAM will be rendered mostly useless.

In case someone wants sauce, the best that I can offer is to direct you to gibbed's SAM site.

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While SAM doesn't get your account suspended as quickly as coal farming; it grants you a disqualification for the final draw. Steam will also reset all of your stats and prevent you from participating in future events case they find out you've been using any scripts or macro in order to complete the holiday objectives; which is stated in the rules.

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Hmm my girlfriend gave me her coal, which was 2 pieces, that's it. She doesn't really use it, hope this isn't seen as coal farming.

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i think no, because its only 1 account, 2 coal, so if you get banned, you can say that it was your gf that sent to you, but others make like 40 accounts and send them to their profile.

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If Valve couldn't tell the difference between coal farming and friends giving coal to each other, they wouldn't have made the damn stuff tradable. Give them some credit, will you?

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Relex dude , there a lot of way steam/valve check whether you are farming or not like login IP.

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I have the same issue. My mother has her own account that she only uses for Bejeweled. She got all the basic stuff, and gave it to me because... well, what else would she do with it? Bejeweled is about the most advanced game she can play, so if she won all of them, they'd only go to waste. As did everything else she won. But oh well.

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she's on a different ip and you aren't using cheats to get achievements. It's if you have like 2-150 accounts and have abused their system. There are people who have created multiple accounts and have gathered like 300 coal to get free games and steal from others. IE coal trades for games and such. That's the issue. Not getting extra coal or trading for coal but coal farming.

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If she's at the same house it is the same IP, Steam can only check the external IP

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My girlfriend lives with me and was connected by her netbook when she did it. But she has logged onto her steam account on my computer in the past.

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still on a diff ip, you have you server ip and your comp ip. that and you don't have user: gibob then user gibob1 all the way to whatever. you don't have to worry unless you would've gone out of your way to scam steam. Trust me if you were coal farming you'd know.

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If she was logged into Steam on the same network then the external IP would be the same actually. To Steam it would be the same IP, though the hardware ID (if they record one) is likely different.

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I asked my cousin to give me all his coal (5 in all) in return for 2 games when I was over at their house. So that would be the same IP then? :'( Now it is going to be counted as farming :( Oh God, why did I trade for his coal...

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it's more the users created from the same ip. it's not hard to figure out guys. If you have two different legit accounts there's game time logged and games and movement of ip sometimes. Trust me the people who wre coal farming are easy, really easy to spot crazy fluke scenarios need not apply. trading isn't farming.

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Are you certain? :( I am really freaking out here... Any update on this?

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yeah they are only going after the people with multi account and hib with sam really. Trading is ok by the rules, they let us trade. you might fins a bunch of coal or games go missing if you traded with a farmer. I doubt it I think they'll charge the farmers for what they stole. why should an honest player get harmed for doing something legit?

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Ummm, hey guys, I have 150 brothers and sisters and we all live in the same house so we have the same ip. They only play games from the indie bundle and they all signed up 2 days after the event started. They don't want their free coals or games so they trade it to me. You think Valve will mistake me for a farmer?

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:O God, how many mothers do you have (no woman can give birth to that many children)?! How big is your house?! It's like a company over there then, everyone with their little cubicle?

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Valve saw the coal farming and responded accordingly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx1IFy4m1YE

Valve has traditionally (and I think still is) very smart about business decisions, and I would stand behind this one as well. Nobody with 15+ steam accounts with a bunch of $0.01 humble bundle games who was hacking achievements should be surprised by this, and frankly I'm surprised the bans won't be longer.

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oh look, its this thread again...

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yeah but tom Valve's putting down the ban hammer with their draw

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Any proofs for the 10 Week Ban or Something?

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Some guy on a Russian forum posted a SS of steam support reply.
Basically said he was trade banned for 10 weeks, and would be banned from all future steam promotions.

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I wouldn't really call that proof..

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hey, if a guy on a russian forum said it, it MUST be true

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how so = ="..wait russian? , then it is true 0.0

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Russian guy
true

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a lot of scammers started to be trade banned lately after the plethora of scams going on. It might not be related to farming, though it ,s certainly possible.

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Coal farming groups began recruiting members on this site since the promotion started. Members gave their coal to one person, and that person crafted and then made a giveaway for the game. Other people have been buying coal legitimately and have over 500, according to Steam Trades. How would Steam discern this from one person farming coal into their own account? There are about four million Steam users according to the website, and they'd have to cross-check every IP address to find out which people farmed into their own account, just to trade ban them for 10 weeks. It's more likely that people registering hundreds of games into their accounts are the ones getting banned, like that "woman" who had 1,001 games and ~5,800 screen shots.

I don't condone exploitation of the service, but realistically, I don't think even half of the coal farmers will be banned. There are just too many accounts to go through.

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it's really really easy for valve to catch a coal farmer don't worry.

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One IP address creating hundreds of accounts, adding them all as friends on one account, looking at the trade history seeing coal and coupons and games being sent all to one main account.

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I'm inclined to agree, being the cynic that I am.

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It's not even a 10 week ban, it's a 10 week trade ban rofl.

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lol at all you coal farmers. cya next year. oh wait a sec... nevermind

:D

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So I'm a bit of a n00b, so don't flame.

People create 50+ accounts manually for free games?

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Yes

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Pr0 tip for them.
Get a job.

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BUTTHURT, BUTTHURT EVERYWHERE

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bawwww I only get coal and useless coupons pl0x Gabe ban all coal farmers and people who get nice things ;_;

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"pls Gabe ban all people who get nice things"

fxd.

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It's not about them getting games and other people don't. It's the fact that they exploited the system by creating multiple accounts and abused it, it's probably why on the last day they ran out of 3rd party games and coupons. They deserve to be banned. No mercy.

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This never happen, and you know it.

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it's done read the news

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Valve punished about 40% of the coal farmers. Looks like a lot of people like this guy http://steamcommunity.com/id/ca89ra/friends didn't lose his games in the inventory and get trade ban.

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wait, they ran out of 3rd party games and coupons? wish I hadn't waited to get the achievements till the last day then :( and I worked my full 18 hours on both Saturday and Sunday just to get 4 more achievements :(

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I will be making farm accounts until crafting will give me a gift!!!!!!!

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The American dream was built off of scamming others... I think everyone's mad that they didn't think of the sploitz on their own.

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I thought of it. I just didn't do it because I'm not an arsehole.

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I really hope the coal farmers are banned, ruined the trading economy so much recently :c

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