Unless you're rolling in dough you might want to not buy such an expensive motherboard. You can find ones at 1/3rd or 1/4th of the price that can support beefy computers. Mine was only $140 and is supporting my intel 6700k, a GTX 1070, and 16 gigs of RAM and etc. There's definitely a lot of money to be saved there.
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I am thinking of changing the mobo out, but what sure what to go for. I definitely want a Z270 at least. But, as I said, it's only a draft at the moment.
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The Z170A is what I have. It's good enough for maxing out gaming performance with a 6700k (4 core processor with the fastest single-core processing speed I was able to find.) and a GTX 1080 while also having the usual 16 gigs of RAM and a whatever TB hard drive. Not much upgradability but with a 6700k and a 1080 you don't need upgradability. By the time that's all obsolete you need a brand new PC lol.
And that max-performance build would run you a $1,800-$2,000 about. At least in USA.
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is 1000 dollar your budget?
what do you have at the moment in your pc?
this mainboard you choosed is stupid
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CPU: Intel I7 7700K
Cooler: EKL Alpenföhn Olymp
Mainboard: ASRock Z270 Extreme4
Ram: Corsair Vengeance LPX schwarz DIMM Kit 16GB, DDR4-3000, CL15-17-17-35
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Very few people need an i7 for anything. It's just not worth the price, like how some of the Ryzen's core numbers are getting a tad bit out of control considering what amount of threads most non-multimedia applications can use.
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thats not the point, i know this what you say
but his config was over thousand dollar for a i5
so i maked 800 dollar config with i7
edit: not 800, also 1.000 dollar, this pcpartpicker doesnt have all prcies
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But we could just make it an i5 setup and bring the price down even more, an i7 would just go completely to waste if all he wants is a gaming rig.
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Sure
Prozessor: Intel Core i5-7500
Cooler: EKL Alpenföhn Ben Nevis
Mainboard: ASRock H270 Pro4
Ram: Corsair Vengeance LPX schwarz DIMM Kit 8GB, DDR4-2400
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an i7 will get you better gaming performance. most benchmarks don't show this, unfortunately (because they only show average fps). but an i7 will produce more consistent frame times. so while you might have stable 60fps with both i5 and i7, the i5 might produce short "hiccups", short microstutter in quite a few games. it might not be noticable to everyone. and investing the extra money might not be worth it for everyone. but there is definitely a difference in gaming performance between i5 and i7 (also between older i7, say 2nd gen, and a new one). and of course, as soon as you go beyond 60fps, the difference gets bigger and bigger.
so my advice is always: if you have the money, go for an i7. it's better in the long run anyway. it will deliver slightly better gaming performance. and even if you say you just want a gaming machine - in most cases you will do non-gaming tasks anyway. doesn't have to be big stuff like 3D rendering. smalls things like compressing files will even be a little bit faster. and if you don't want to overclock which you absolutely should ^^, you will of course benefit from higher stock speed.
so yeah, i don't think an i7 is completely worthless for a gaming machine. absolutely not. for me personally the higher price is definitely worth it. but everyone has to decide that for themselves.
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here as link
https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/list/GV3JTH
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As of now, I don't have a budget.
GTX 970, which I will probably keep for awhile and put it in my new PC.
i5-4670 3.4GHz
Gigabyte Z87-HD3 Mobo I think.
Some DDR3 16GB Ram
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you wanna change from this system to a kaby lake i5?
you are wasting your money, your system with the 4670 will be in the next few years still good
only gpu should be changed for stable 60 fps for new games on ultra settings
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^^ What he said.
Change your graphic card, keep everything else, problem solved. Your CPU is more than enough to play any current game. If you need more CPU power buy a good heatsink and overclock it.
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wtf?
Just change your GPU. A 1070 would already be a big improvement.
If you absolutely need some more CPU power then a K processor and overclock it.
Edit: And an SSD if you don't use one already.
500GB -1 TB for your OS and games etc. And don't forget to do regular backups ;)
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That mobo is beyond overkill. 0.0 Not even many people on LGA-2011 socket builds pay this much for one. Get a simpler ASUS (like Prime), or, even better, ASRock one (Z270 Pro or Gaming).
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That mobo is beyond overkill.
Sooo much overkill. Could get a nice video card (or SSD, HDDs, etc) for what he'd save on a less costly mobo,
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From the place I'd probably buy most of it from, they have the ASUS Prime Z270-AR, Z270P. The Z270-AR is RGB, only cost another $40
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no need for a liquid cooler unless you have alot of money, overpriced motherboard, overpriced ram
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The H80 is actually relatively cheap, and if they want silence, then it is better than the usual recommended air coolers like the Cryorig H7.
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^this.
most aio liquid cooler are
1: not even better
2: sometimes even louder
3: much more expensive
than good aircooler
So if you want watercooling build it yourself
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If you're doing a budget gaming build, always consider and AMD proc. It's waaaaayyyy cheaper per compute cycle. If you're not going to the top of the stack, there's not a lot of good argument for Intel, unless you're just a fan. Intel still rules the roost at the top end of the performance stack, but I game in ultra widescreen with everything maxxed out on all but the most demanding games with a two-year-old AMD 8350 @ 4.3GHz (4.5 in turbo). 1070ti for GPU...everything is completely fluid, no hesitation, unless the game's performance is garbage (so, mostly likely one-off indie games that haven't been optimized and run like crap on literally everything).
I've built dozens of custom gaming rigs, done tons of case mods, etc. Used to be a moderator/admin on xoxideforums back when it was still active. I'm happy to give you some advice outside of this forum (which would be easiest) or even show you examples of what you can do with old parts to make cool PCs. Friend me on Steam if you want, and I'll chat with you when I can.
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AMD FX is not recommended nowadays, not even the least bit. It is better to wait for the lower-end line of the Ryzen then.
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Oh yeah, if I was buying new today, that's completely what I would do. I'm just saying that my proc that I've had for at least two years still isn't phased by jack. As long as there is good multithread support, then the 8-core I have blasts right through things. But yes, with Ryzen dropping soon, I'd probably wait for that...we know that AMD needs to compete on price there in order to get adoption, so it should be pretty cost effective (at least after the first couple of weeks of launch. :) ).
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If you want to get an AMD CPU, the new Ryzen series is what you want. The FX series is slow and ancient (the only reason its still on the market at all is because AMD was taking such a long time to get Ryzen ready and they needed the income).
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Well "slow and ancient" really isn't fair. They're only slow relative to the newer Intel procs, and they're still way more than enough horsepower to play 99% of new and old games at full quality if the game is optimized well at all.
But yeah, at this point I would wait on Ryzen too.
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They're slower then Sandy Bridge from Intel, which was released in 2011. Though yea calling them "ancient" might be a stretch, as the last one that was released came out in 2012.
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Again, that's a general core comparison comment, and the model changes the overall comparison at various price points. It's important to take into account total compute power, as well as games-specific performance, where AMD often shines despite having slower floating point computation speeds (because their multi-thread support was superior to Intel for a long time, and Intel refuses to dump that weird virtual core thing).
Also, the latest FX line came out in fall of 2014...the previous gen was 2012. :)
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_FX_microprocessors)
All that said, I've built tons of systems based upon both cores, and have been happy for various reasons with both.
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Huh, had no idea they had released new chips after 2012 pre-Ryzen.
Well either way, I'm just glad that AMD is finally back to being competitive in the high end against Intel. Looking forward to see how well the next batch of Ryzen chips stacks up to the competition. :)
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So true, my friend...we need AMD to be competitive to keep prices from going through the roof. Early Ryzen tests don't show it blowing away Intel, but it does compete really well. I'm hoping, too, that the next couple of models (or twekas to the current list) show some potential for leapfrogging. Either way, if they get the price point right, then we'll have a whole new wave of budget-conscious but high-performing PC builds, and that's a good thing for everyone. :)
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That motherboard is really overdesigned, I doubt that you need that unless you have certain needs which justify its price.
Not quite sure if this is because of NZ, but the RAM is really expensive as well...
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RAM and SSD prices skyrocketed in the past year due to the insane demand of chips in the smartphone industry.
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SSD prices are literally like half what they were two years ago, I've been killing myself over how much I paid for my SSD when they were still considered a luxury item. Branded "gaming" RAM is priced pretty absurdly yeah, but you'd have to be stupid to buy those.
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yep ssd prices are low. I got myself a 500gb m2 sata for $100. That ram is more than double the normal price
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God, I'm jelly. I could only afford a 256 at the time and paid more than that for it lol. Prices are absolutely nothing compared to 2015.
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Not here. The SSD I have in my rig built last year is at +30% right now at local stores. It fluctuates a bit at least, unlike memory chips. What I have is now just a few percent shy of costing exactly twice as much as what I paid for it.
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That's local stores for you. Some people's locals will charge like 50 quid for a cat6 ethernet just because the majority of their customers have no idea what they're doing, compared to Amazon where every distributor is forced to be competitive. If I want parts for something I'll literally always turn to Amazon and it's never not been cheaper.
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Well, maybe there. Here, the closest one is the German amazon, and even from there, postage fees and the additional VAT kill any lower prices, even if you order the entire bloody thing in one pack.
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True, I guess it can vary by region. I have to ship from UK seeing as Ireland doesn't have one, but damn are the deals still worth it over buying in stores. Ireland is absolutely clueless when it comes to computers, we're pretty much in the stone age.
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I know that RAM prices increased, but I still find prices at least 1/3 cheaper here. That's why I wondered.
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Yeah, it seems SSD pricing seems to be a local thing here. At least I can be sure of the memory chip prices being terrible…
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I really feel sorry for you, this is a lot of money you have to pay additionally, compared to other countries.
Hope you can safe some money with other components though.
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Assuming this is going to be a gaming PC what kind of games will you be playing? Like most have said the mobo price can be had for much less unless there were some compelling features that you must have. What are you striving for with your budget?
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Going to be playing a lot of AAA games, hopefully on max settings or close.
As of now, I do not have a budget.
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You're definitely not going for budget, that's for sure... Your mobo + RAM +CPU cost about the same as my entire setup and you haven't even picked a GPU/PSU yet, and I can run pretty much anything on ultra with this. If you have those kind of finances to blow and want some 4k killing machine then I guess go for it, but if you want my opinion then first you don't need some flashy franchise RAM, nor 16gigs of it.
Three sticks of this is literally all you need. Boom, you just saved $75 dollars that would've literally gone down the drain.
Not sure why that processor is listed as so expensive but here it is for half the price... plus your heat sink that you obviously need. If you want a liquid cooler then I guess go for it, but it's entirely unnecessary.
I'm not even going to start with that mobo, just do some more research and shop around. You don't need that.
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Daaamn, that's actually nuts, I might bookmark that for later. Would be nice to just be running two sticks in parallel and get rid of one for sure.
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That memory you say is all you need is not correct for a start they want DDR4 not DDR3 memory. You never use one or 3 stick of memory but you use 2 or 4 sticks so that you run the memory in at least dual channel (or quad channel if motherboard allows it), the only time you'd even think about using 3 sticks is for triple channel memory.
I have a H80 and I wouldn't go back to a normal heat sink, it's still running strong even after 5 years but seeing how your knowledge about memory is lacking then I can understand why you'd consider it unnecassry.
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No, dual is recommended over triple, there's literally nothing wrong with triple and most mobos support it without a hitch. I've been running three sticks for over five years without a single problem.
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Triple channel doesn't run on all motherboards but selective sockets, running 3 sticks on a motherboard which doesn't support triple channel memory will only run in single channel. On triple channel motherboards they have 6 slots for the memory but on dual or quad channel have only 4 slots so running triple channel on a motherboard with only 4 slots of memory is impossible.
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You are right. No budget for now, unless I need to.
I will probably use my GTX 970 for awhile unless that needs changing.
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Ah you already have a 970? That helps then, definitely. Fair enough if you don't have a budget, all up to you like I said, but there's still a lot of places you can be saving money that you could put towards something else like your peripherals if you wanted to upgrade some of those instead.
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My mouse/keyboard and headset are fine for now.
Logitech G533
Logitech Prodigy 403
Corsair RGB Strafe
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Like I said, it's a draft. Getting some ideas of whats good and so on. then working from there.
Like the Mobo, I've heard it's good, but expensive, so I will be changing it out, for a less expensive 1.
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Even if you had money don't go for it. Its just an overkill. You can find nice motherboards at $150-200 range. Nice Processor BTW.
If its just a draft then my recommendation is wait for the Ryzen build. Look out for reviews.
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You seem to be in almost the same position as I was a couple weeks ago when I put together a new rig. I had a 970 already, to reuse, an allowing budget, a similar goal for performance, almost the same starting point with component choices, similar region (AU here) so I know about crappy prices. If you haven't already decided everything by the weekend I'll be back from holiday and can give some more input (beats writing on a phone).
I have a high preference towards building silent PCs so I went with a high end Noctua air-cooler for the CPU, and SSD only for storage. Fractal Design R5 case with some more Noctua case fans, and I can't even hear my PC when it's on. The CPU you currently have is among the highest efficiency, in terms of heat output so a good heatsink that can never leak should be more than enough.
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Everyone is saying that mobo is overpriced but I think its just the pcpartpicker link thats messed up. I found that same one on New Zealands newegg for over $100 NZD cheaper that that price, and based on USD price conversions (where I'm from) thats what the price is actually supposed to be.
https://www.newegg.com/global/nz/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132927&cm_re=maximus_ix_hero-_-13-132-927-_-Product
And as far as your build goes, its looking solid but like a lot of people it really depends on your budget. I know you commented earlier that you don't have one atm but you should at least get a rough Idea. It will make choosing your parts a lot easier if you have a limit.
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Number one, the fact that you own this:
GTX 970, which I will probably keep for awhile and put it in my new PC.
i5-4670 3.4GHz
Gigabyte Z87-HD3 Mobo I think.
Some DDR3 16GB Ram
Should be in the OP.
Secondly, you don't need to do anything. I don't think you know anything about hardware given your musings. You put together a little list about what maybe hey gimme feedback and what's the central takeaway?
"Hey guys, what do you think about me replacing a Haswell i5 with a Kaby Lake i5 for like a thousand kiwi bucks?"
Really?!
I'm not trying to be harsh because I am an asshole (though I am in fact an asshole); I'm being harsh because the rebuke you need to receive has to be strong.
For those who have lots of money, nothing is required to upgrade other than whim because there is no sacrifice. That you need to save up, like most people, means that your need to upgrade needs to be measured and weighed. The motivation to upgrade must come from a logical place that you can ideally express to others. I have not read every post you have made in this thread but I suspect you have no good reason. I suspect you think because your hardware is a little old or because people keep talking about this or that new thing that you feel you need to do something, but I assure you that you do not.
If you can actually demonstrate a good reason to upgrade any of your hardware--even the GPU--then I'd like to see it. Additionally, if there is an upgrade to be had--if there is somewhere where several hundred dollars would make the most difference, it would be going bleeding edge with your GPU, not spending a thousand kiwi bucks (yes, I'm going to keep using that inane phrase) to get like a 20% or whatever processor bump that will do very little to your framerate.
P.S. You're probably wondering why I think I need to be harsh. Well, I could write more paragraphs of condescending bullshit or I could simply sum it up in this next sentence. You need to understand hardware better so that you can first satisfactorily answer the question, "Do I need to upgrade?" on your own before plodding forward soliciting responses on what that upgrade should be because--and it's going to shock you that I have this world view--lots of people don't know what the fuck they're talking about and will give you bad advice, and the way to avoid that is to have a decent level of personal understanding so that the statements and recommendations of idiots have little sway.
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What do you guys think? If good, whats cases would you recommend?
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It's ok to buy an SSD if you don't have one, I have a 500GB EVO and it's very good. But I think you don't understand what a bottleneck means in terms of PC hardware. In your particular case, The bottleneck is the GPU, that is the weakest part of your current setup. You are planning to build an entire new PC but you "will probably keep for awhile" a GTX 970?
WRONG
It's the exact opposite, you need to keep your current setup and buy a better graphic card (GTX 1070, 1080... depending on your budget). You don't need a new CPU at all.
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Have you chosen a case?
If it were me I'd get a big heatsink instead of a water cooling AIO. The one I got (link) is overkill for my build but it is so quiet when the pc is running that my monitor is louder, and it's on mute! It's also cheaper than that AIO you've got selected. Is there a reason you're going for water cooling?
I assume you have a reason for the DVD drive? I can't stand the noise they make so I did away with mine. Opens up more cooling options too, like another front case fan, or smaller cases.
SSD choices look alright. As long as the mobo supports the M.2 drive. Can't go wrong with the 850 evo series.
Don't know much about the mobo but Z270 seems the right choice and you mainly want to pick one that has the features you need in particular. I wanted wifi built in for mine, and lots of fan headers for case fans. Things like fancy lighting I didn't need as my case had no window.
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I haven't chosen a case as of yet.
As for the DVD drive, I need 1 as I buy physical games as well.
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That don't look too bad to me, I think you've done right thing about changing motherboards. When I built mine about 6 years ago I was looking at the equivalent boards at the time but settled for one in the middle of the road and glad I did. If you plan on getting a dvd drive why not look into a slim external drive you can find them pretty cheap now days.
As for a case there's so many to choose from but I love my Corsair Graphite 600T Limited Edition (I do like my Corsair stuff never ever any problems with my case, DDR3 Vengence Red 1866mhz memory and H80 cpu cooler) for a mid tower case it's pretty big. I'd certainly buy another case from them in the future but between now n then there may come something else.
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This is my build 👀
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00Ghz (4 CPUs), (8 Cores )
Memory: HyperX DDR 4 2311 Mhz....16333MB RAM
Hard Drive: SSHD 1.8 TB
Video Card: NVIDIA Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 Turbo OC 8G graphics card
Monitor: ACER Predator 27 " G-Sync_ "ZeroFrame" Gaming Monitor
Headphones: Black and Gold Siberia V2
Keyboard: Logitech G15
Mouse: R.A.T mouse
Mouse Surface: RaZeR SPHEX
Operation System: Windows 10 ( 64 bit )
Motherboard: Z170 K3 Gaming board & CoolIT Domino ALC CPU Water Cooler
My Set up photo ... http://i63.tinypic.com/3eydj.jpg
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Hopefully, this will be my final build.
https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/list/TvhmvV
Going to go with air cooling, just don't know what to get for it.
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For the CPU cooler, I recommend a Noctura NH-U12S , or if you want something cheaper look into the Cryorig H7 or Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO .
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Going to start drafting up a pc build over the next few months till I get enough money for it.
I don't have a good idea of what I'm doing. Been asking some friends of mine who has little to some or a lot knowledge about what to get.
So far, this is what I have: https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/list/L2tLKZ
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