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Devolver Digital is the publisher. Unless Epic buys them too or their distribution rights, they can't do anything about the game being on Steam.

And is that nationalistic "China buys ..." nonsense really necessary?

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And is that nationalistic "China buys ..." nonsense really necessary?

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Man, did they really step on your toe. Nice wall of text and manifesto

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AmanoTC, they only said "And is that nationalistic "China buys ..." nonsense really necessary?"
They haven't painted you as anything, however your response to it certainly has.

It's hardly 'laughable' to describe the choice of title to be 'nationalistic', given it had no real relevence to the purchase of a developer or the content linked to it. Unless of course you considered the vague link to China to be a concern, which you said nothing about in your opening post. So without context or elaboration it does indeed come across as something of a nationalistic 'red scare' moment, which is a popular kneejerk thing at the moment (people gesturing wildly at Russia and China, thematically pairing up with the usual stuff like blaming immigrants, etc). Even if they may have originally meant the remark less as a direct "you are a nationalist" and more of a general "the thing you said was pointlessly / irrelevently nationalistic", your reply here has likely had an opposite effect to making your post seem unbiased and purely factual.

If you wanted to stoke discussion over immoral development practices and how that could trickle through outside of china, or how data protection issues and malware like zombie nodes may be a rising concern, or how Epic may be used in future to help cement Chinas immoral governmental practices, then it stands to reason that you would put that in the opening post, but there was no such thing.

Surely you see how that sharply alters the context and appearance, and why the remark was made.
And also what it looks like now that you have responded in this fashion given how low impact the remark was?

That aside, to pick up on your new subject :
Even if Tencent holds just less than half of Epic shares, that is less than an overriding majority. Even if we take your admitted assumption about polarised China government links owning shares as if it is correct, then by your own provided stats concerning national stakeholders, even if they owned the rest of Tencent, the most they could own is 69%, which further dilutes the percentile sway over Epic, and then over specific Mediatonic properties. Even if the assumption is wholly true, and they may have a say, their lack of majority means they do not get 'THE' say. Even if this was cause for concern just because China has vague sequential connection to Mediatonic, being part of a very high profile company (Epic) would keep them under legal scrutiny, and not being unanimous owners in any link in the chain means that severe breaches are likely to be noticed, reported, leaked, or whistleblown. And apparently they have certain agencies keeping an eye on them.

If these things are of concern to you, then it may be of greater concern that things are happening far closer to home thanks to the 5, 9 and 14 Eyes, which in my basic understanding, is a circumvention of data protection and privacy law by nations mutually spying on each others populace, and then mutually exchanging / selling the data, so they they are not directly an 'enemy of the people' and can obtain what they need while severing direct culpability.

On top of this, its also worth considering the basic role of information (or DISinformation) warfare, where the spreading and normalisation of incomplete or inaccurate information is vital, especially when attempting to muddy the truth by directing groups towards exaggerated, outlandish or paranoid-sounding oulooks, so that truth can essentially hide in plain sight under the shade of the misguided or incorrigible, or scrutiny is diverted away from a more important subject as it tiptoes by. I don't mean to patronise in general here (and I know my tone probably gives that sense in spades, given my 'captain obvious' routine here), but this entire thread just went off halfcocked at best. If you want to try salvage anything, now would be a great time to update the opening post with whatever you actually felt like talking about, or perhaps waiting for the heat to die off this one and trying again with a bit more forethought.

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AmanoTC, they only said "And is that nationalistic "China buys ..." nonsense really necessary?"
They haven't painted you as anything, however your response to it certainly has.

Err, sorry, but calling something that he wrote "nonsense", quite clearly sounds like painting him black.

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What something sounds like depends just as much on how something is read, as much as how it is written. Certain contexts and styles give certain impressions.

Golwars remark wasn't intense, it was pretty passive, and the rest of their short post was neutral.
Combined with the title that was given no context and a minimal link to something unrelated, it gives me a far stronger impression that they were calling the title nationalistic, as a descriptor, rather than saying the individual who posted it is a nationalist as a defined trait. I don't think it's a particularly hard subtlety, it's like the difference between saying a person said something angry, and calling someone 'angry' as a person, y'know?

Meanwhile, the offended / hard reply to a remark that was quite passive creates a pretty sharp contrast that instead of clarifying their stance, why they said it, and showing they're not nationalistic / xenophobic as a person, the tonal whiplash will probably cast doubt. In seeing such a mild remark as so pure black and white, it can imply a reader may have a kind of tunnel vision, and when they present things as absolutes, there is often important missed details. Though I may sound rude here (heading on for 8am and I haven't slept, so I know I'm at least being as subtle as a mallet myself if I'm not actually just straight up being patronising), everything about this seems to have gone off half-cocked. Responding in such strength to situations / offenses so seemingly minor doesn't do any favours to the idea that we should trust their judgement on the subject, y'know? Which is fair if they're super passionate about a subject but the opening post had like zero context or actual mention of the thing they're apparently passionate about. :P

Its like we're reading two different books here. Or perhaps we're stuck in that Monty Python skit about the maliciously inaccurate translation dictionary. They'd probably find a ton of agreement regarding data protection stuff and the chinese governments abuses if that was a thing that was part of the (posted) subject. A few stray words to set up a fracture at the baseline is all it takes sometimes for all hell to break loose.

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meh

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Tencent owns a stake in Epic, not the entire company. Tim Sweeney is the owner and majority stakeholder. Other than that I can only echo Golwar's comment, xenophobic remarks aren't necessary.

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It isn't xenophobic or sinophobic not liking the CCP is not the same as disliking the Chinese people.

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Nor I, nor even the OP was talking about CCP.

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When people say China they mean the government not the citizens.

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A government is aggregate of worst possible group that a country can have to lead it.

And a government of a nation is not much different from that of other country because every government desires to rule and desire to rule is inherently evil. Hence, every government is evil. You shouldn't worry about Chinese government any more than the one running (and ruining) your own country.

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Being bought out is probably great news for the owners of Mediatonic, but yea hopefully they don't screw Steam / Linux gamers like they did with Rocket League.

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I FREAKING KNEW IT! i swear i talked about this since day 1 to all my friends and most of them called me crazy...

Thanks, now i can get my dignity back :')

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I wonder if they plan on making Fall Guys free to play. This could be great for the game itself but I hate seeing games being exclusive to one store or another.

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Considering they said they won't pull the game off steam and that steam has some kind of a rule that they can't offer the game at difference price on other stores I don't think they'll go F2P.

Or maybe they will go F2P so steam removes their game for breaking the rule in which case Epic would be happy and developers can complain how Steam is unfair and that it's not their fault the game got pulled, aka they kept their promise that they won't remove the game off steam themselves.

You never know how things are going to go now that Epic owns them. I don't trust those guys one bit.

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I believe you mistaken that rule, Steam can't dictate other platforms, that price is for Steam redeemable games ( I mean they can dictate those as CD-keys are their products in their platform )
so that applies to retailers like HumbleBundle, Fanatical, GMG and others, and only for Steam redeemables

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Tencent is not the majority shareholder so pointing out that fact at this point in the game is just scare mongering. If that's that case why not bring up the fact how Valve gave China a separate CCP censored Chinese version of their Steam platform as well?

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Thank You

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It isn't like China didn't ban all the community feature from steam already. Not really defending Steam but they were kind of told do this or you can no longer sell in China. At least that's what the articles seem to imply.

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I don't really get the whole China thing in this.

Yes, Epic has questionable business practices (Exclusives) which hurt the PC community and for that, they can go F themselves; but China? Pretty sure other western companies have Chinese shareholders as well. Right?

Anyhow, never cared for Fall Guys, so I won't care about this as well.

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You gotta love how China as a country has embraced all the major lines of capitalism while retaining all the propaganda and the freedom-restrictions tactics of a proper authoritarian country under the pretense of communism.
I don't know where Marx is but I bet he is in the middle of an arm wrestle with Jesus to decide whose ideas were trampled the most by people who claim to live by their creed.

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This 💩post is not worth an argument,

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