I have never used anything like idlemaster or any other such 3rd party stuff. I generally would prefer to avoid things I can avoid.
But recently I've acquired some games I simply cannot run on my machine. And I was wondering if I should use ASF just to get the cards.
Are there rules against using such software? Are there any negative things that could come of it? Is it completely harmless? I'd love to hear from people who know more about it. Just answer any questions you think I aught to be asking.

Thanks

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is ASF good or bad ?

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ASF is safe to use.

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I never had any issues with ASF nor do I know anyone else who got into any problems because of it.

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does Valve, steamtrades or SG have issues with ASF?

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There is no reason why Steamtrades or SG should care. And if Valve cared, they'd have done something by now.

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"people HAVE been banned for usage of extreme usage of [..] ASF"

This is news to me. I've used ASF extensively throughout the years, and never had any issues. Even had it running in the background while playing CSGO (idling gets paused.) I'm inclined to believe that this is a urban legend honestly.

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not lots of known cases, but you really have to spend some time to make dozens and dozens of steam accounts (it won't happen randomly unless you dedicate yourself to that...)
then send a loot command to all of your bots at once...

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you funny guy,
i've been using ASF for years with almost 3k games by now i never had any issue with ASF :)
the only thing don't play any VAC protect servers while ASF running just in case.

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i use around 6 accounts with ASF and i didn't even count them ^^

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I'm sure most would say ASF is better but I prefer IdleMaster when I just have to idle a couple of games. Is easier to use in my opinion and gets the job done pretty well.

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From my personal experience:

Are there rules against using such software?

Valve has never explicitly stated that game idlers are not allowed.

Are there any negative things that could come of it? Is it completely harmless?

They have acknowledged that Idlers are VAC conflicting, but I've personally never seen anyone get anything besides a server kick while idling with IM or ASF.

Now, there is nothing protecting us from trouble in the event that Valve suddenly decides that idlers are not allowed, with a zero tolerance policy to current users. But is that likely to happen? I'd say no.


Now, which one to use?

Idle Master was my go-to until my account became restricted (Takes 3 hours for cards to start dropping now). Since IM will only idle games simultaneously up to two hours, I had to switch to Archies, which let me do 3.

  • Idle Master pluses: it is much more user friendly/easier to use when compared to ASF. Also allows you to choose the games you want to idle.
  • Idle Master Negatives: It's no longer supported, and has been know to trigger VAC kicks.

  • ASF pluses: It's still supported, it dosent need Steam running, ect.
  • ASF negatives: No UI, harder to get set up, not a ton of customization options.

It's up to you to decide which one will work better for you. You can also Google all the ups and downs between the two.

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ASF has a web UI, though if you need to select a particular game, you would need to refer to SteamDB or 3rd party tool, so it's indeed less user-friendly compared to other options.

I totally agree about harder to set up. I can RTFM since it's part of my job, but not everyone does. I'm not sure why you said "not a ton of customization options" - it has quite a number of them, but I guess you might have some use case in mind that is not covered by ASF.

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I'm not sure why you said "not a ton of customization options"

I'm personally not aware of any. I thought it was more of a thing where you just start it up and let it do it's thing.

Looking at the FAQ, it looks like they have an Advanced Settings tab for when your setting up (I must have missed it when I started) that has quite a few options. Looks like you may have to reconfigure the program if you want to change them later on though.

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You just make text edits in a json file. It's not difficult, and can be done in notepad. First time setup? I'd give it ~30–40 minutes, if you're generally tech savvy, less if you're already familiar with how json files work. Changing a setting? Should take under five minutes, even if you have to look stuff up in the wiki again. It's not as easy as ticking a checkbox or radio button, but it's not too bad, either.

Also, one of the settings is basically a manual mode, where it will only idle the game you tell it to, if that's what you want.

Also, I'd add the fact that ASF has automatic trade configuration settings to your plusses, with a built in STM bot mode, if that's what you're after. It can also send cards from an alt to a master account automatically.

For me, though, the choice came down to the continued development and support. I didn't want to get too used to something that might break every time Steam updates. Sure, ASF might break, too, but since Archi still works on it, it wouldn't stay down for too long.

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thanks for all the responses

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there's a big problem
someone voted "BAD"

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can't have a movie, without some "bad"

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I'm not sure I understand you, they were banned but not by valve?

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You can even idle on your phone through the app called: "Idle Daddy"

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+1

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I had like 13 pages of extra keys on HB and I'm steadily giving them away on the puzzles page. down to like 3-4 pages now lol
But I'll be taking a little break soon, so some of those will be around until winter

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why you buy games you can not run on your machine? o.O

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And a part of the games still don't work when you have the mimimum or recommended requirements.
I have that problem with 3 or 4 games.

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Bundles + SG wins. Sometimes you just get something your machine can't run. Some games are just crap and won't run, other times my machine is crap and can't run high end games

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ASF is the superior program for idling, and Idlemaster is being slowly but steadily being left behind.

I recommend reading up on ASF on the ASF wiki here. The wiki covers features and performance comparison with Idlemaster. Personal opinion, the only reason you'd use Idlemaster over ASF would be because you can't setup ASF (some people find it too complicated) or you want to abuse a Steam glitch that occasionally allows cards to drop every time you start/stop a game (Idlemaster has a skip button so you can abuse it very easily, but ASF relies on commands so it's much slower).

But in general; ASF is constantly updated, supported, and reliable. I can say with certainty you can't go wrong with it - But the fact remains, it's really up to you. Personally, I have both but now only use ASF since I just leave it running in the background and forget it, plus I make use of the other features it offers (activating keys, adding licenses, etc).

PS: Wasn't your name "GreenTomato"? Did you change it or am I going insane? :D

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my name has always been Green Tomato, but occasionally I don't get to use it. Like on Twitch, I lost that account a while ago and now am GreenTomator with an "r" on several sites - only when I don't get to have Green Tomato for some reason or other.

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Oh! We're friends on Steam, that explains why I always recognize you as "GreenTomato". Never noticed your SG name had an R.

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Idlemaster doesnt work for me, it says completed when I have a shit load of games that have cards left to drop. So it maybe worth trying ASF

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I don't have any problems with it. Did you try to delete and download it again?

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You need to re-log and it fixes that .
At least did it for me .

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fresh install with new computer reads badges page then says complete. deleted and redownloaded same thing. so gave up lol

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I had a problem a while back when Steam changed its privacy settings. It could be that you've hidden your game inventory by making it private or friends of friends. I made mine public and then logged off and on again and it worked once more. Could be worth a go?

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Spot on, just tried it and it worked again. Thanks for the suggestion :)

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Yay! :)

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Just to preserve accurate play times on my account (and because I pledged to myself as soon as they started to not care about Steam Levels), I don't idle on my main. However, I do have a small number of alts (not on SG of course, they're from my TF2 days), and I'll occasionally idle on them. ASF is excellent, as long as you're patient enough to read through the setup guide.

Especially since you can't run the games on your machine, I see nothing wrong with idling them in ASF for their cards, if that's important to you.

Others have already mentioned the requisite disclaimers.

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Well i just use IdleMaster ...
Obviously everyone here will just keep spamming you about using ASF . But both work i guess, and i never had issue using IdleMaster

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Nothing wrong with using IM; it just depends on what kind of features you want. If you don't need the features included in ASF, I can see why you wouldn't bother. If I had to guess, though, for a lot of people, the ability to idle without even having Steam running or even installed on the idling computer is a required feature.

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I'm using hourboostr/singleboostr and I have no problems at all. It is a grey area (all of the idling softwares are, I mean) but afaik nothing bad ever really happened. Will it never happen? That's impossible to say.

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Based on Valve's change earlier today to block achievement spam games, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if the next change is an idling software ban to make sure their metrics reflect real gameplay

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You would think, but ponder about what that would do to Valve's profits. Right now, they are practically printing money with the tax they charge when we sell cards on the Steam Market. If they took away the only way to effectively farm the majority those cards, they would pretty much be shooting themselves in the foot.

I'd say idlers aren't doing enough harm to warrant Valve taking away such a huge money maker.

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You know, more idlers, more cards, more transactions, more transactions fees for steam, more $_$ in gaben's wallet. So I don't think they mind very much those stats like 2-3h in any game.

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I was hesistant for a while with using such things, but month ago I decided to give a chance to ASF, dropped aroud 1,4k cards. It took couple weeks but no vac ban or anything bad happend. Only foiled card could drop more often... XD

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I have never heard of a confirmed VAC ban due to idlers. I have used Idle Master many times over the last 2-3 years and I have never been banned once.

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I agree with you, but I idle those really, really bad games that have card drops available. Like 40% and lower review score.

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some games I cannot play. And a lot of time the time I idle games just by downloading and running them simply because they are garbage. I am very picky and a lot of games to me are just bleh. So I idle those. I think it's borderline impossible to play every game once we have a few hundred of them

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I think ASF needs good user interface.

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it has a web interface now, it looks pretty good. Can see all your bots and the idling status, games count, pause it, etc.

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important to know: if you get a card worth 7 penny, you still make no profit, if you have to play 7 penny for the power to idle the card :(
but if someone other is paying your power Bill, you gain money (would be like stealing money from the other)

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You can just idle when you are browsing/working/whatevering on your computer? :P You are already using power then and ASF doesn't add much.

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Maybe if you try really hard, you could end up with 7 pennies per year as the cost. Now imagine how many whole bucks playing games costs compared.

Edit: turns out I was wrong by an order of magnitude, running a RasPi 24/7 for a year would end up costing 70 europennies here. Good thing those are powerful enough to do other stuff too for such a high cost.

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i have a raspberry pi running as a local file server, torrenting, hooked to my TV running kodi, and ASF... at the same time... an amazing piece of tech for $28 or whatever I paid for it. :)

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If you want pure theory answering your question then you can refer to ASF's FAQ where I evaluated Steam ToS, online conduct, related articles and all clues that we've had until now, together with my interpretation.

If you want practice then you can consider the math, probability and statistics - ASF is (or was, if you're pessimistic) used on over 460k of accounts today, with my own account being primary and the very first good example of valuable account powered by ASF since day 1. It's not some kind of secret information, everybody knows that, including Valve.

Answer yourself how likely it is for Valve to wake up one day and decide they'd like to ban half a million of Steam users with one button. And that is ASF alone, all other idlers combined would most likely add another 100-200k to that list.

Is it possible? For sure is, but if I were them, I'd rather shoot this Archi guy a nice e-mail, ceasing further development, giving opportunity to post announcement, discourage users, and then, eventually, if situation doesn't improve, ban remaining users.

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