Why don't we treat global warming with the same urgency we are treating this? Something that is actually dangerous and can potentially extinguish us all. Well, maybe it's because global warming is complicated. It requires some thinking and some understanding of the planet we live on to comprehend. But a killer flu, oh now that's simple enough for anyone to understand, and for everyone to fear. That's why these parasites we call journalists and media love these kinds of stories. People who fear are more susceptible to suck every bit of (mis)information you feed them. They're much more likely to feel like they need to know every detail out there so they can feel safer. They'll follow you to the depths of your ignorance, and help you spread it while at it. In a nutshell, the coronavirus trend is derivative of capitalism. There's no question that fear is profit making business.
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People who fear are more susceptible to suck every bit of (mis)information you feed them.
Why don't we treat global warming with the same urgency we are treating this? Something that is actually dangerous and can potentially extinguish us all.
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People will understandably focus more on what just killed their neighbor, today, than they will on what might possibly kill some unknown person at some indeterminate time in the unforeseen future.
P.S. (If a monster asteroid slamming into our planet failed to wipe us out, raising the global temperature a few degrees is unlikely to do the job. In fact, the earth has gone through many dramatic increases and descreases of temperatures over the past 5000 years. The earth has absorbed all catastrophes of planetary scale (and those less so) without missing a beat. Wars, famine, and outbreaks have done a much better job of whittling down our numbers, yet we persist despite them. More to the point, the earth easily erases all traces of our passing once we have left. Faced with the insignificance of our presence on this planet, it behooves each one of us to examine how our individual life has impacted those of others. When we are gone, will anyone care? Each day is a new opportunity to make a difference.)
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When we are gone, will anyone care?
I mean, they will if they blame us for mass starvation, widespread drought, deadly heat waves, regular natural disasters, and the extinction of the coral reefs and large numbers of plants, animals and insects? Particularly because it won't matter in the future if they stop doing what we're doing now; the damage will be done, and the temperature will continue to increase regardless. War is also very, very likely to occur over resources under those circumstances. (Before I'm accused of doomsday prophesying, I'm really just summarizing the IPCC 1.5 report.)
If a monster asteroid slamming into our planet failed to wipe us out, raising the global temperature a few degrees is unlikely to do the job.
But it would be really, really stupid if we knew the asteroid was coming in a century, and everyone just shrugged and said there was no point in trying to do anything about it, wouldn't it? I'd like to think we're a species that at least attempts to save the lives of others under normal circumstances.
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stock market and oil prices are fucked right now, time for solar, hydro, and wind to strike!!!!
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I think way too many people are taking two extreme mindsets regarding the whole thing (as is often the case).
On one hand you have people freaking out, thinking this is the apocalypse and stocking on supplies like the plague has returned. On the other hand, you have people saying this is absolutely nothing and that the flu is "way worse" and therefore there is zero concern with COVID-19.
Neither of these groups are helping the situation, in my opinion. I think such virus outbreaks should be considered a significant health threat, but not one that should cause the panic it is causing now (and I blame the medias for leading to this panic). The problem is the medias dramatize it so much, it either sets panic into people who are easily influenced by them, and downplay the importance of the issue in those who aren't (as seeing the media exaggerate a situation may make it seem like the whole thing has been exaggerated from the beginning, and might even be entirely fake).
Personally? It's not too much of a serious issue in most countries for now, but due to the lack of vaccine/cure, I think it could be a significant threat to the elderly and those with medical conditions, and therefore we should attempt to prevent its spread (since more people having it will result in the increased chance of those who may be seriously threatened by the virus to be exposed to it).
Now, to be perfectly honest, I admit I have not thoroughly researched the topic nor am I an expert in this kind of thing, I've only seen the statistics and read a bit on what's happening, so take my opinion as just that - opinion. :P
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I absolutely agree though a large group panic too much and the other act like a flu is worse, as with many things in life aren't just black or white, but grey.
You can take things rationally, try to avoid big events, stock up on some food just in case, wash you hands maybe a few times more, don't shrug it off when you do feel sick.
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Speaking as a person with family members who are experts in viruses and communicable diseases, COVID-19 is not something you want, but the media is over-hyping it. Take precautions to stay healthy, just like you would for influenza, and seek medical assistance if you notice a fever or cough. A virus sheds most (is most infectious) in the first 24 hours, before you even notice you are sick. The next 24 hours, when you have begun to feel ill, are the second most infectious. Those most vulnerable are those with compromised immune systems and/or breathing issues as COVID-19 attacks your lungs and is most commonly spread by airborne particles (coughing). As for those with strong immune defenses, they may not have noticeable symptoms or may "shrug it off" as a "common" cold. As always, antibiotics have no effect on viruses, but can be useful in fighting any infections a compromised immune system may not be able to prevent.
TL;DR: Take care of yourself, but don't panic.
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They are still gathering information about COVID-19, but you should already know the answer to your question. That, or I did not understand your question the way it was asked.
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I mean the best case scenario if everything goes with plan we create a vaccine etc. and the worst case scenario when we don't have a vaccine and medical staff and researches become ill with COVID-19 themselves.
I'm asking about something like
good scenario -> 3-5% of people who have COVID-19 dies.
bad scenario -> 20% of world population dies.
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They came up with some projections here for the next 8 months or so, and saying that this virus could infect up to 1.9 million people in Ireland by the end of the year (current population about 4.8 million). Those are insane numbers.
So... If the death rate truly is 3.4%, and they don't successfully contain it, then, by their numbers... 65,000 people will die from this virus in the Republic of Ireland. That's pretty terrifying.
They are currently doing everything they can to contain it. 21 people have tested positive here so far.
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To tell the truth if 2 million of people would get sick the death rate would change from 3.4% to about 20% as if scientists and researchers and medical personnel will get sick there will be no one to care for people sick that need to be hospitalized to survive. 80% people will be ok BUT 15% have serious symptoms and 5% are in critical condition and that can change into 80% ok and 20% dead.
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The danger in entertaining hypothetical fantasies instead of dealing with actual situations is that reality gets thrown out the window. The doomsday scenario you are imagining is inconsistent with what we know about the virus at this time. When you look at who is dying from COVID-19, it is those over the age of 60 who have preexisting conditions (Cardiovascular Disease, Diabetes, Chronic Respiratory Disease, Hypertension, Cancer). If you look only at the group with the highest recorded death rate (over 60 with Cardiovascular Disease), the mortality rate is about 10% among them. If we limit ourselves to those over 80, the death rate jumps up to about 15%. If we estimate that 3% of the world's population is aged 80 and over, that puts 0.5% of the world's population at Death's door if everyone gets the virus and the estimated death rate turns out to be accurate.
So, to answer your hypothetical question, the worst-case scenario seems to be the loss of the very oldest, sickest, and weakest among us. Everyone else will apparently survive. I suppose that a best-case scenario is where we find out the COVID-19 virus has actually been circulating for the past three months and most of us are actually fighting the virus off without ever showing symptoms. That would put the estimated death rate at something like 0.1% instead of 1-2%.
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What you just wrote does not contradict what I previously wrote. It would seem, however, that I need to expand upon my initial comment to ensure understanding. Keep in mind that I am not a health professional, and that the following information is "general," covering various respiratory viruses. You may find the same information by checking official medical or disease-control websites, and I reccommend you do so.
First, there is exposure. Exposure is most commonly through direct contact (e.g. being sneezed upon by an infectious person), but may also be indirect (e.g. touching a virus-laden surface). Given the proper environment, respiratory viruses are able to survive for extended periods after settling on a surface.
Second, there is a period of incubation. That length of that period varies with many factors, the two most important being the amount of exposure (how much virus for how long) and the resistance of the host. It is possible that the individual's immune system fights off the virus altogether, but we are currently focusing on those who "get sick."
Third, there is contagion. Once the virus has incubated, exhausting the host cell of its resources in the production of its progeny, it begins "shedding" or leaving the host cell. There is variation in the period of "shedding," but it usually begins one or two days before symptoms are noticed and lasts about a week (until the host's body has successfully built up a defense against the virus). In some patients, improvement is delayed and "shedding" may continue for up to three weeks.
Getting back to COVID-19, the medical field is still gathering information. Due to the great variation among individual patients, and the possibility of mutation in the virus itself, it may take an extended period of time before much is known with certainty about this particular strain of virus. While I do have more information about COVID-19, I am unwilling to share it due to its inexact nature. The guessing of health professionals, today, may be proven wrong, tomorrow.
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I live in Korea and have family in the Daegu area (the most affected part of Korea). I travelled through Europe last week. Flew to/from two major airports (Manchester and Schipol) and wasn't asked a single question by anyone about the coronavirus despite arriving from Korea.
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Regarding Schiphol, I'm an Amsterdam local and since the news about Wuhan broke out our government has been repeatedly saying that there's no reason to worry. They haven't taken any extra precautions, so I'm not surprised that you weren't questioned upon arrival. How do you feel about that? Do you think they should have?
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I believe it's reckless. A simple questionnaire/survey either pre-flight or even in-flight would have been the minimum action I expected. I understand the risk is low, but how hard would it be to simply ask travellers if they were coming from an affected area?
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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
I have found this website to have the most comprehensive and accurate information about reported cases.
Keeping an eye on it for when it spreads near me in Texas so I can let my mother know taking my 94 year old grandfather to lunch will probably be a bad idea for at least a couple of weeks. Seeing two people in Australia test positive today that just returned from the USA does raise an eyebrow about the lack of testing here. With the media fear-mongering and the lack of test availability I suspect many more will go into full blown panic mode.
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thanks for sharing, really useful.. here in Italy we have tons of misinformation =\
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I'm as prepared as I'm going to be. Which means we've just laid in a little extra of some staples we'll being eating anyway, like rice and beans etc. I'm probably a little more worried than I would be if I hadn't spent the last 2 weeks battling a nasty case of bronchitis that I picked up in a box store - that's put me off shopping for the near future and made me feel more at risk. But actually, I find the predicament of more vulnerable areas of the world much more concerning as far as this virus is concerned. Countries like Yemen or Syria whose infrastructures are so damaged that i doubt they would be able to supply medical support to infected patients or have the means to track and control the spread of the disease - the things that we take for granted, they just don't have. Historically, it's always these most compromised places that are hit hardest by pandemics.
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I'm an American living in Beijing. I was in Vietnam during the beginning of the outbreak, but returned here in early February just as borders began closing. Had to reroute to sleep in the Hong Kong airport to do so, but they had beanbag chairs and unlimited Ben 10 on TV, so not complaining too much.
Daily life here feels somewhat "normal," but slowed down. When I first returned, I wasn't even sure if I was even allowed on the streets, and I dug out a large spraypainting filter mask that I'd brought from home years ago to handle typical air pollution. I looked like a cyborg Pikachu, and my first step outside felt like Bruce Willis in "12 Monkeys" getting hosed down after heading to the surface. Supermarkets were fully stocked, but entire subway trains were empty.
Some friends in Beijing are barred from leaving their apartments, and can only receive deliveries at their front gate. However, these recommendations are haphazardly implemented: My body temperature isn't even always checked when I return home from restaurants and/or bars, where no more than two people sit at a table, one meter apart. I've increasingly seen more Chinese people out and about. However, cases have been dropping here, so preventative measures seem to be working. It feels like other places have really mucked up their responses, but I know how it was when it began here, too.
It is what it is. Be concerned and cautious, but be reasonable too. I start my first day in the office tomorrow, so normalcy is creeping back after this one-month semi-quarantine.
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It is what it is. Be concerned and cautious, but be reasonable too
Exactly. At this point, it seems panic is doing more harm than good. Cautious and mindful but reasonable seems the best options.
The media is hurling increasing numbers all over because it's their bread and butter. Fear sells ads.
Statistics though are never really talked about, nor probability of catching the virus, fatality and treatment.
Or the fact that thousands of researchers are hard at work on a vaccine, since the virus is an offshoot of other known viruses.
In the meantime, sending good vibes to you and yours and let's hope this madness comes to an end sooner rather than later.
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I hope the same, and wish the same - I totally agree with the panic and such, it's doing more harm than anything - just see what happened the last night when our "government" made up some weird "red closed zone" in 14 provinces of northern italy.. all matched with misinformation and total chaos =\
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Yeah I read about that. You would think that governments or health organizations would have some sort of contingency plans for global health crises but no, it's a shit show.
A century of research, real-time information, science and communication since the global flu outbreak that killed millions and we still can't find out asses with both hands over the most predictable health emergency situation...
Sending good vibes.
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Cheers. I'm in Suzhou, and so far my area's been relatively stable. For a while we didn't have much access to fresh vegetables at the supermarket, and many areas and highways are still shut down, but for the most part life's gone on. Just don't forget your little ID slip when you leave your community, or you'll have trouble getting back in.
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Mine doesn't even have any kind of ID slips, as far as I know. They just let me come in and go out at all hours. I'm wearing masks, of course, but it seems odd that other friends have cards that they have to use in their complexes on the other side of town.
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i'm sure it depends on the community. While the actual numbers are low in my area, we're quite close to Shanghai (where there have been more cases), so I guess they're being cautious about it spreading.
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Regular seasonal flus might or might not be bit less lethal, but far more contagious, so they will keep on killing thousands every month everywhere. And it's mainly the same elderly and sick people that are at risk from SARS v2 too so the panic and precautions should have been already in place for decades. If you feel like you have to protect your grandparents now, why didn't you feel like protecting them from flu before? Did washing hands only now start making sense?
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For regular flu vaccines protect the weakest part of the population. For SARS related coronavirus a vaccine doesn't exist.
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Yet even in Finland with free healthcare and regular vaccinations the seasonal flus kill couple hundred elders and sick people every year out of 5 million. Now multiply that by 1500 or so to get Earth's population and calculate in the lack of healthcare or even proper sanitary in many countries and you will get a much higher number.
All the billions medical companies can make from the vaccine will ensure that there will be one shortly, last I read 2 were almost complete already.
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I'm not saying flu isn't dangerous but while flu deals with country rounds, this coronavirus deals with highway. Lombardia, the region with more people infected in Italy, has around 10 million of population and today are 267 the dead of Covid19. On the 21 Febrary the dead were 6. Of course to be added to the death due to seasonal flu.
Vaccine isn't close at all. Researchers states they need around a year and for the previous SARS coronavirus a vaccine wasn't been found.
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The vaccine is actually here already, only thing standing in its way is bureaucracy requiring long testing to make sure it doesn't make people artistic as well. Then it can start the long registration process to get it on sale everywhere.
https://www.livescience.com/us-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-recruiting.html
Edit: also there is an instant cure well known to man for centuries. 60% alcohol kills the virus so best to apply it generously. :P
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There will be no cure against the virus for a lot of months.
Your advises for preventing the spread are wrong. Alcohol alone doesn't kill the virus.
Please stop underestimating the problem. This isn't just another flu.
Even a little part of virologists and biologists here in Italy made a mistake like that, and now we are in deep shit.
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60% alcohol really does kill the virus by physically breaking it, but so does soap and many other things. Of course not internally but when used to disinfect your hands etc. It still does sound like a good excuse to get drunk which was implied by the :P.
I'm not going to overestimate it either because of media selling panic, just reading facts when they are figured out and using common sense to wash hands and not picking nose etc.
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For regular flu vaccines protect the weakest part of the population.
No, they don't. Flu vaccines are for specific strains of flu which the health organizations guess will be the most widespread and dangerous for that year. It's a roll of the dice as to which viruses (that's plural) a person will encounter, and even then, it's mostly up to the individual's immune system, anyway. The only thing that can really be said about vaccines is that "it's better than nothing," which is mostly true.
You are correct, however, in that there is currently no vaccine for COVID-19 (and many other viruses).
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No, flu vaccines isn't "better than nothing".
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm#howeffectiveelderly
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According to the article you cited, my statement is correct. Flu vaccines are "better than nothing." This is not to say that such vaccines do not come with their own dangers, because they do, but among the populations most at-risk, they are still "better than nothing."
If you want to argue a different point of view, I suggest providing evidence that supports that point of view.
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It doesn't seem to me at all that source suggest that we should have very low expectations ("better than nothing") in flu vaccines effectiveness.
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I understand that English is probably not your native language. I will try to explain what I said.
I did not talk about expectations. I said nothing about that. I said that being vaccinated is more effective than not being vaccinated. Those people who get vaccinated and still get sick often ask what good the vaccine did for them. The answer is that it gave them a better chance of not catching that strain of flu, and it gave them a better chance at surviving that strain of flu. In other words, the odds of staying healthy were "better than if they did not get vaccinated" (i.e. "better than nothing").
Also, remember that all flu vaccines offer added protection against the specific strains they contain. The virus we get may be one of the other 100+ strains of influenza.
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Regular seasonal flus might or might not be bit less lethal
It was 2%, now they are even talking about 3.4%. That's easily 10-20 times as lethal as your average flu. That's just just "a bit". Not that we should panic, but we also shouldn't downplay the situation. Just think about it, 3.4% means every 30th infected person dies. That's pretty high.
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Those numbers are from China where they weren't counting people with mild or no symptoms as sick, only the 14% or so who get it serious and as such as diagnosed with it. Last number I read from western doctors were more like 1.0-1.5% and still saying they can be much lower.
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If you want to count the estimated number of unknown cases, then you have to do the same with the flu. So the ratio would still be about the same (meaning something along the lines of factor 10-20). Also, 1-1.5% is still really, really much.
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There are no unknown cases with regular flus since they have been around for ages so they are well studied and known. We can have very exact numbers of how many people have been infected with no symptoms because of that.
Did you know that the swine flu is now only one of those seasonal flus going around the world all the time? What happened to it being a super serious killer because of initial panic?
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There are no unknown cases with regular flus since they have been around for ages so they are well studied and known. We can have very exact numbers of how many people have been infected with no symptoms because of that.
I don't know if that really means we know exactly how many people are infected, since I would suspect that there are still a lot of cases of people who don't go to the doctor and simply don't show up in the statistics. But ok. Even if all that is as you say, it's still quite a bit more lethal than an average flu and while I don't think we should panic, it makes sense to be a bit more cautious than usual. I say that as someone who lives ~50km from the reported cases in Germany. With a mother who lives exactly there. So while I am not that worried, I think we should all just be a bit more cautious and follow a few basic rules. That is not limited to just hand washing, but also things like not touching your face and maybe touch as little as possible in busses, trains etc.
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I meant that since seasonal flus have been around for ages, there have been actual scientific studies with enough people to test how it works, even infecting a number of volunteers to test out vaccines etc. Just basing it on the numbers who go to a doctor would make very little sense since most people just stay home for couple days and treat it with hot drinks and painkillers. This is brand new and only starting to spread so any numbers aren't very trustworthy yet.
It's also far less contagious than most flus, SARS v1 and MERS had far worse lethality but they were easily contained because of that. If people fall really sick fast and then die, they aren't traveling around spreading it. And over time they all become less and less lethal just like the swine flu that killed 150-600k people during initial panic and is now treated as nothing special.
We should be doing all those things all the time is my point, not just when the media sells some new reason to panic. There are thousands of infections that can kill weaker people that we should try to avoid spreading around. The fact that people don't care about that in other times is the actual reason these diseases spread in the first place.
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Aye, someone posted an image on social media that said 45million people in America contract flu each year and 46,000 die of it, yet no one is reporting this and panicing about Covid19.
However, if the current statistics are correct, if 45 million Americans caught Covid19, then 1.5 million of them would die.
As for washing your hands, some people are incredibly dirty, so it needs to be drummed into them. Those of us who see this as a common sense thing have always been washing our hands when we use the bathroom, before eating and all that. When we have a cold, we blow our nose or sneeze in a tissue, bin it and wash our hands so not to spread it to family and colleagues. But... I have seen many dirty dirty people walk out of the ladies without washing their hands before all of this kicked off.
Elderly people can get the Flu vaccine each year which protects them against flu, so there is that. It's part of the reason why we don't panic so much about flus. However, my dad is 70 years old, his lungs aren't great, and also gets a reaction to the vaccine, so can't have it. He needs to be extra careful every year to avoid getting flus, so naturally we are terrified of this coronavirus thing.
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Hi, Italian here.
The real problem about the Covid-19 is that it is far more contagious than an ordinary flu and the 5%( The percentage can be outdated as no every case can be discovered and reported) of ill people requires intensive care for the full recovery (10 days at least of it).
Now, our country intensive care has more or less 5000 places (now more and more as they are fighting the spread) so we are putting in place measures to not overload our healthcare system -
Other side of the coin: we're also the country that made a lot of Covid-19 tests, but all around Europe we've seen a strange increase of pneumonias during the past months. So...
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Can you please give some medical pages that you read that stated that COVID-19 is less contagious than flu?
From what I have read:
COVID-19 is about 2 times more contagious than flu.
1 patient with flu will make 2 people sick.
1 patient with COVID-19 will make 4 people sick.
Also H1N1 viruses can travel 1 meter when someone cough or sneeze while COVID-19 can travel up to 2,5 meters.
Swine flu lethality was 0.02% COVID-19 is 3.43% now.
So 20% needs to be hospitalized for many days to not die and still many die.
Also people who were sick but survive and are healed does not mean they are 100% healthy like they were before the COVID-19 as we don't know what damage COVID-19 do to hearth and lungs and how many people will die in next 30 years because of that.
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I had only read references to them by other media and everyone said that because it's more lethal than the seasonal flus it's less contagious. Exactly for the reason that hospitalized people with serious symptoms are quarantined and the ones with no symptoms are unlikely to spread it. But there is new information all the time and the new strain seems to be more contagious than the first one.
SARS v1 and MERS were easier to contain because they were so much more lethal than any of these and people died before making several others sick. Swine flu couldn't be since it wasn't very lethal after all so we can't get rid of it.
Here in Finland 5 million people get the seasonal flus 10 million times a year on average so that sounds a lot more contagious to me. So even with a low lethality rate it will kill a lot of old and sick people. But that explains how 1 population can only get 2 populations worth of people sick to get the 1:2 number, it's just missing the explanation that everyone gets it 2 times a year on average.
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Swine flu lethality was 0.02% COVID-19 is 3.43% now.
Your numbers are off.
Rather than arguing about statistics, however, I would like to point something out. There is a group of people, present in every nation and location, who are not panicking. They remain calm, and they attempt to calm others. They do not see COVI-19 as an extreme danger, nor are they afraid of it wiping out the human race. Who is this group of people? They are the doctors and medical professionals of our world. In other words, the experts on COVID-19 and viruses in general.
So, go ahead and take precautions, and remember that this, too, shall pass.
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Well you are right COVID-19 will not wipe the human race. I also know that many doctors and medical professionals and reserachers are working 12-18 hours a day and some of them have not seen their family for 2 months.
As long as we will get a vaccine/cure world will be fine.
But it all boils down how many people it will kill and how many of people that I know have damaged immune system.
Also situation in Italy is bad and people in other countries fear to nor be the next Italy.
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I understand that the situation in Italy is "bad." You guys currently have Type A, Type B, and COVID viruses in your country with A(H1N1)pdm09 being the most common. Type A attacks the elderly, as does COVID, but Type B attacks mostly children. This is not, however, a repeat of "The Spanish Flu."
Unfortunately, there is no "cure" for a virus, and that is why the people of the world have come to accept that some people will die each year due to viruses and virus-related complications (like pneumonia). That does not mean we give up. We do what we can to reduce the risk for as many people as possible (including vaccines), and we take care of those who become ill. Things could be a lot worse than they are. For example, this could have been a Swine flu pandemic. (The Swine flu (H1N1 pdm 09) is fairly lethal.)
Continue to take precautions, and try to remain calm while ignorant people around you are panicking.
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I prefer using https://thewuhanvirus.com/
And, I'm scared for the people I know and not really myself, from my understanding the virus screw the most with people who have weak immune systems, I hardly ever get sick so I think I will easily outlive the virus.
But for my grandparents and my one friend who doesn't have working kidneys (and due to that a very compromised immune system) I am quite worried, not sure if they will survive if they get infected, and it's them I'm worried about.
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I work at the airport and I just want to say that so many flights are now being cancelled because of the Corona Virus. A friend of mine in the Kuwait airways told me that they have suspended their operations in Thailand and couple other countries. Just today Qatar has announced that no one is allowed to enter or leave Qatar. Qatar Airways will now only be carrying passengers to Doha who wish to take a connecting flight to another destination.
This virus has had a huge impact on the aviation industry. Some aviation journalists have even predicted that if things get further out of control, then some airspaces might have to close down because of ATC workers being infected with the virus.
Let's keep ourselves neat and clean! I am sure we can beat this!
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I must admit I'm nervous. I have CKD since I was a child and I'm on immnosuppression meds for my kidney transplant, I also have chronic fatigue (CFS is up for debate) so feel crap most of the time as it is. If I catch it and can't fight it they will reduce/remove my immunosuppressants.. risking my transplanted kidney that I waited nine years for. The kidney is doing great so far, rejections episodes are common but I've had none and my bloods are great. To lose it over this, I would be devastated.
Also I've heard that this virus can leave permanent heart and/or lung damage - I wish I had a link, maybe someone more awake than me can verify this.
I haven't done much in the way of preparation, luckily I bought a couple of 500ml bottles of alcohol gel in November because there is none to be found here now without ridiculous price gouging, and my partner and I use it everywhere we go (before all this). Hopefully when this is all over, going forward people will be more hygiene conscious, a small silver lining maybe since the demographic that this virus more harshly affects is the same that is vulnerable to flu and other contagious diseases.
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Thank you and indeed the best outlook to have! I had a little panic the other day because my cousin's high school was shut for a few days - a boy he knows goes there and the boy's step mum tested positive after returning from Italy. A little too close to home! So far it hasn't spread to anyone else but I'm steering clear from my uncle's house for a while 😅
Best wishes for your condition also <3
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sigh
Today Covid-19 became more than something on the news for me. Due to fly down to Israel on the 17:th March to sign on a vessel there, but just now Israel stopped all foreign travelers from entering the country unless they can show they can self-quarantine for 14 days (which of course I can't). So my sign-on has been bumped up to Wednesday 11:th in Cyprus, and I'll just have to self-quarantine onboard instead. Damn, a whole week of free time gone....
Otherwise healthy and good, so not to worried about it. I'm not in the group of people facing the biggest risks, thankfully.
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Bad news.
There are 2 strains and because of that people who were healed and later did catch the 2nd strain are dying.
No info about the case but there are speculations that 1st strain of COVID-19 must do some damage to hearth or lungs or immune system and the second strain is more lethal because of already damaged organism.
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From what i read here https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/09/can-a-face-mask-stop-coronavirus-covid-19-facts-checked it's also all still speculations yeah, when it's proven real i can add it to op.
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Healed people can have relapses because they don't heal completely. A small, undetectable, amount of virus may still be present. This happens with all viruses.
About the 2 strains: there is only one very limited research on this. The virus remains practically unknown and unpredictable.
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I am not worried for me but for the elders or the immunodeficient people. Panicking isn't helping so i don't. I just tell everyone : "be careful, if not for you, for others". Sidenote : It's fun to see the CAC40 (value of 40 biggest company in France) fall apart. This virus might actually save us all by lowering our impact on the planet...
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It's far more dangerous than seasonal flu! it could have permanent damage to the lungs even if the patient survives the hard condition of it, he/she will most probably have problem in breathing for their rest of lives.
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Merkel announced today that she expects up to 60-70% of germany will get infected and that is scary as hell.
with what is known right know about the lethality it could result in +- 1.000.000 deaths in germany alone and that is not even considered that at some point hospital beds/space will run out
btw the flu season 2018/2019, which was one of the deadliest in 30 years killed 20.000 so please stop comparing it to the flu in any kind of way
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As I said, at the lethality rate. 3.5% is the number given out by people who took all death/infected and gave that number. BUT the rate was just abnormal high in china (around 4,5-5%) because of the high demand and not enough capacities to handle such a situation.
At the moment we have 1629 infected people and total death: 2. In countries with a working health system (sorry US) and preparation the rate drops below 1%. Also keep in mind that the 60-70% are exaggurated to keep the awareness high. At this point the whole thing could already be over if people would stop acting selfish and have a minimum of personal hygiene
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I'm a nurse in the US but I'm not on the front lines. I don't currently give care to any patients with Coronavirus. I work in a mental health specialty in a locked unit. We are trying our best to avoid an outbreak at our hospital. If an outbreak were to happen we would have to quarantine and treat the patients (if they are stable) at our facility. The public health department stepped in and gave us directions on procedures we have to follow. We now must screen every patient before they arrive for symptoms and areas they traveled to. We have to constantly assess the current patients (and ourselves) for symptoms. We also had to make drastic changes to visiting hours and age/amount of visitors allowed. Many of our patients have weak immune systems. We recently had an outbreak on our unit of norovirus and that was a nightmare enough to manage. I'm not too concerned with contracting the Coronavirus but I don't want my patients to get it.
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https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/zrx2e/offcourse-you-can-now-get-the-corona-virus-on-your-pc-too that one was kind of a joke, and some hated "promoting" those games.
Anyway it's starting to spread larger and larger in countries and throughout the whole world, are you scared, are you prepared or you act like it's just like the flu?
Meter/map:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Other news/tips/prevention
https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/02/here-is-what-coronavirus-does-to-the-body/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/09/can-a-face-mask-stop-coronavirus-covid-19-facts-checked
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/03/dont-panic-the-comprehensive-ars-technica-guide-to-the-coronavirus/
https://fold.it/ Download and play Foldit and you can help researchers discover new antiviral drugs that might stop coronavirus!
https://time.com/5791661/who-coronavirus-pandemic-declaration/
"Outbreak is ‘deeply concerning,’ with ‘alarming levels of spread and severity.’"
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