Not every company has to comment on every single event going on.
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Nvm i misunderstood you, i thought you were actually against steam, but it's the devs.
I got trouble understanding sarcasm.
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and now hating on them
They are not hating, they're just pretending so they can have visibility and advertisement for free, that's only a communication move to get them some sales.
Tired of those cheap wannabe sjw.
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I mean we live in a free market capitalist society, if they choose to withdraw their product its their own loss.
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I mean wishing that those who take this action don't make another penny in the industry is kind of wishing harm to those people.
Maybe if people didn't overreact every time a dime a dozen indie dev took an action we wouldn't have as many people outraged over trivialities.
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I haven't seen anywhere in the article and the comment the developer made to Valve where they called Valve racist. If you could point it out to me I'd appreciate it.
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So we've established that the developers haven't called Valve racist.
They pulled their games because in their view Valve hasn't explicitly stated that they are anti-racist, ergo the silence bit. Valve not speaking out doesn't make them racist, it just doesn't make them explicitly anti-racist in the view of the developers.
At the end of the day, companies only have one value - making money.
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Some people see indecision as erring on the side they are against, I'm not going to defend the developers on that. I think its misguided for people to expect companies to genuinely support causes, but some change can be made even if its done in a cynical way by the company.
On a seperate note, if your toaster ever does tell you to put anything in it, slices of pizza or otherwise. I suggest unplugging it and throwing it at the nearest wall until you're sure it can't evolve further.
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https://i.imgur.com/VYsaWIT.png not a good luck for you justseedy you also have a bunch of other comments in there how you can you be so for something then against something at the same time
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Humble has a large number of charities available, a lot of which are for social justice in one form or another. It's not new.
And look, I agree with you that not every company has to make a political stand (and Valve probably thinks that, given their target, it would hurt them more than losing a few games in the long run) but I respect the choice of indie devs who are trying to affect change in whatever way, however small, they deem appropriate.
Most brands are hypocritical when it comes to those issues (and many others) but it doesn't mean companies who work with brands, any brand, don't have a right to decide to stop working with them if they don't agree with their silence.
Free market, free choice. Wishing them harm for making a decision that is a matter of opinion and a personal choice regarding their own integrity is childish, imo.
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What makes you so positive that they don't give to charities. You ask us to believe you give to charities so why don't you give those guys the same credit, considering they went a step further?
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They haven't stated that they do so your logic is flawed. And wishing these devs harm is @justseedy's opinion regardless of what you think which they are entitled to as you stated.
Making no statements for PR like Valve instead of trying to take advantage of the situation like EA and Bethesda is something we should commend them for. It's not like the SJW types can be satisfied anyway since they would complain no matter what saying that the statements are empty if they are made and insinuate the company is racist if they aren't made. Retards
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Good thing it was later down the comment then. I'll be assuming you agree with or conceded to the rest.
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Nah, sorry, I just fell asleep in the first part :P
(seriously, I don't disagree, as I stated before. I believe in freedom of speech and freedom of silence, which I wished more people exercized online. You just really lost me at the last couple of sentences though.)
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Well that's not good. You should get help if you have Narcolepsy. Also what does :P even mean? is it along the lines of :D and :) or D: and :C?
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In the Steam shoes I'd do right thing and help those cool indie guys maintain their unwavering integrity and ban all their releases from Steam forever. That way no matter how big temptation they will have to return later, they can thank Steam for helping them to stand strong.
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Ah, so this is what desperate indie devs salty at the world are doing for easy press now...
No, wait, hold on a minute, I agree, what on Earth would we do without game companies making a stand on this?! I mean listen, I'm a steam user and a gamer, and if Steam isn't talking about this whole ""BLM "" (battlefield lives matter amirite?!) thing then like, how or why am I supposed to know or care, you know? Yes this is how I am. I'm just a dumb dumb gamer. And all companies of any service should know it's THEIR job to tell their customers like me what's right and what's wrong in the world. Because we'd just be so LOST without them. The... businesses, who are always otherwise so righteous and generous and entirely not self-serving?
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That screenshot says a lot about how companies (and people in general to be completely honest) are opportunistic and use double standards for their own means. Pride month and BLM are a PR thing now more than anything.
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Meh, fuck indie games. People have all the right in the world to be silent. Honestly if more people were silent in their daily lives we may have less issues.
Now screw off.
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So trash games are leaving on their own...i see it as an absolute win.
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Link to what? Steam's support for GC? Here: https://twitter.com/GuerrillaCollec/status/1269674262048026624
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No, but you did dishonestly imply that the indie devs thought so, as part of your rolling bias on the general BLM protest subject of late : Reply link
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While irrelevent to the point I was making, they can simply find Valves silence to be distasteful to the point they want to distance themselves, if the subject is really close to their hearts. That's a far cry from calling them racist. If you really wanted to project upon them, it would be more accurate to suggest they found them too apathetic on a divisive issue.
None of that subtracts from the fact you were knowingly dishonest in your assertions, to skew the reception the posted subject towards your view of the overarching subject, though.
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Its time for SG users to get outraged over some random developers they've never heard of pulling their games from Steam.
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Outraged over people being offended. Because dammit, people have a right not to give their opinion on something! Actually it looks like Steam is taking the right strategy considering doing anything else is offensive now or something. Not sure what it's all about so my summary may be well off.
And a happy cake day!
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Exactly, why voice any opinion and even remotely risk losing business.
Also thanks :D
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Steam seems like a religion to some people here lol I use and like steam ofc, but c'mon people why are you getting so offended and defending a billion dollar company like is your child? I just don't get it
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Isn't it funny from people denouncing the "culture of outrage" to be outraged by a bunch of indie devs nobody ever heard of making a choice to lose money by not being on Steam?
I hope they dont announce they are going with Epic or they'll get death threats lol
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Not everything is spinning around BLM. There are a million other problems around (2nd outbreak of COVID-19, world hunger, pollution, etc). Why every corporation has to focus on this one particular problem? Coz it's trendy? Coz part of community lobbing that? If Steam/Origin/Itch/HB/anyothercompanyoftheplanet don't say it aloud doesn't it mean they do nothing. Maybe not every company wants to get famous on this "event"
Just cool down a bit folks.
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A large number of Americans genuinely think that everything revolves around them
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In reality, these devs are simply exploiting the situation and BLM movement to get some publicity for themselves. Fuck 'em.
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Really? I don't think that cutting off a massive source of revenue in exchange for some sideline publicity at best isn't really the winning move you think they're attempting. They also apparently didn't call Valve racists, that's Justseedy stoking their idealogue strawman : Reply link
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BUT like corona what if indie devs gonna make games like black lives matter and steam removes it (like what happened with the corona games) now that will cause more of a shitstorm.
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Yeah.... I'm about as progressive as they come but this is silly. To shame a company for not choosing to make a statement about a current event/movement?
If a company makes a statement followed by honest commitments to help further a cause, GREAT! Support that company, buy their products over others, etc.
But to boycott a company because they didn't make a statement on an issue that you're passionate about? Come on.
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They don't boycott them. It's a store and they choose not to sell their products there. They're not clients of Valve. They're partners. It's a choice I respect even though I disagree with the sentiment that every brand needs to speak up about issues.
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I had to laugh at the three devs who were named - like really? One of them clearly is a liberal cry-baby, while the other two I actually haven't heard of their games.
The point is: this whole current BLM charity shit (don't get me wrong, I think charities have a good idea, but I feel this whole fiasco is racist on both sides of the argument) was spurred into action by a bunch of COPS doing stuff they shouldn't have been doing to another human being. Yes he was black (dark brown actually - let's get our colours correct!), but it had nothing to do with the gaming industry. If anything, it should be COPS, and governments around the world that should be showing their solidarity against this stuff, and doing donations themselves. But, as someone said already, it's not money that counts at the end of the day, it's actions that matter.
I'm sure there are other thoughts rattling around in my head, but I reckon some people just need to shut up, cos all they're doing is inciting more hate, deflecting the actual problems at hand, and they're not helping the issues at all.
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If you don't say anything about BLM, you're racist?
It's very important to be against racism and to make a statement. But just because they're "silent" they are racists?
I mean sure a statement would be cool, or what should they do to make it better?
They are a capitalism huge company, but racists?
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But when you say Black Lives Matters aren't you racist against other races (Asians, Indians, Whites) because you omit them on purpose?
All Lives Matters.
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All Lives Matters.
I'm pretty sure it's been said over and over but it bears repeating. Black Lives Matter never meant "only black lives matter". It's only that "black lives matter too".
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So... BLMT? Like... All Lives Matters? I failed to see...
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It's pretty obviously implied that non-black lives are already considered to matter - the whole objective is to point out the gross overrepresentation of black people as victims of police killings. I think they missed an opportunity to call it Black Lives Also Matter (BLAM!). They could have claimed that Batman was a supporter as well as prevented people willfully misinterpreting Black Lives Matter.
I think it's ridiculous to expect people and corporations to make public statements every time there is a high profile hate crime or disaster.
- "What? It's been six hours and the opposition leader hasn't made a public statement condemning the latest tragedy? Maybe he secretly wants police to kill unarmed black men or nutters to shoot up mosques or aeroplanes to crash or earthquakes to kill people".
- "What? They haven't changed their logo to rainbow colours for the month - maybe the company management hate homosexuals".
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Nah, Justseedy admitted elsewhere that they made up the part about calling Valves racist : Reply link
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People fail to see justseedy's sarcasm. They're posing as a stupid person who will raise a fist without thinking...
However, that's not what's in the link. It's not that they're racists, but they're making Valve see that they should care, and devs do it in the only way they can. So joke's on justseedy for being unable to properly read, and for people who attack them thinking they really believe that.
So hard to find some little gray cells behind avatars on the internet...
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You're entitled to your opinion. Devs are to theirs as well.
But they're not saying Valve is racist as the OP implies. They're just pointing out that Valve doesn't care and that devs think Valve should.
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Of course, its just someone priming people to be outraged. Taking one thing and exaggerating it to further their agenda. Most of the people making their hot takes haven't actually read far beyond the title and the OP.
I wouldn't know anything about this if a thread wasn't created since I don't read gaming websites basically at all.
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i mean...i appreciate company support towards BLM,but i also respect companies that stayed neutral like valve.after all,they're still just a gaming company.
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I think there's more to Valve's silence but I don't think it's that they're a bunch of racists. Nor is it the point of the devs pulling games, I believe.
I agree with you and respect companies not making statements either way (which doesn't mean they support racism) but I also respect these devs choice to take their business elsewhere. Freedom of expression works both ways so I'm fine with either.
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A strange kind of thought; we're becoming idiots very fast on the internet era 🙈
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Yah, this is stupid, and personally I don't think any companies should get involved in this, because let's be honest, if they do, it's likely for PR and personal gain, nothing else.
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Ahhh some more people trying to extort businesses into 'donating' to the DNC. None of those 'Indie' devs will get anywhere. They were failures from conception.
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