I have cancelled the giveaways and will be relisting them elsewhere. keeps being hassled by mods on this site and they never made it clear what was going on and kept insisting things that weren't happening were happening. The giveaways will still go ahead, just keep an eye out. Very sorry for any inconvenience.

Check out my current giveaways including Hunt: Showdown, Ark: Survival Evolved and Full Throttle here: http://giveaways.indiebob.live (which redirects to https://steamcommunity.com/groups/IndieBob/discussions/0/613948093887994007/)

Good luck to everyone!

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I just use http://giveaways.indiebob.live as it's easier to remember.

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Avoid using link shorteners, as they obscure the destination of the link, making it difficult for users to know what they're clicking.

While exceptions are made for reasonable circumstances (such as obscuring links for the sake of puzzles) site guidelines [quoted above] do actively discourage link shortening. Of course, there's a more grounded reason to avoid obscuring link destinations; With something like puzzles, it's understood that exclusionary elements are part of the process, but it's counter-productive to include such elements when your intent is to encourage inclusion (ie, when promoting something). Given that obscuring links in such situations is so clearly detrimental, links obscured in such circumstances would only amplify any feelings of suspicion users may have on the matter.

Personally, I'd consider the best approach to be posting the link as http://giveaways.indiebob.live Code: [http://giveaways.indiebob.live](https://steamcommunity.com/groups/IndieBob/discussions/0/613948093887994007/), thus achieving all three goals of (Not obscuring the direct link, spreading the shorthand link, and shortening the length of the link within the post). You'd probably still get the occasional skeptical comment from users who don't look too closely at the link with that method, however.

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It's probably best the way it is. It's not a shortened link but a redirect from a domain I own.

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If there's a distinction between the usage of the two terms, I'm unfamiliar with it.

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One is from a link shortening site like goo.gl, the other isn't?

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They're both equatable methods of shortening and redirecting, the only difference is if you're directing the process through your own site or through a third-party service. Typically, the only key distinction made on redirects is if there's a portal involved or not [ie, to garner a profit from the redirect].
A secondary distinction could be made in regards to if the url is simply an alternative access point [ie, domain alias] or its own distinct page with an internal redirect, but your previous phrasing gave the indication that redirects were the sole element being considered. Moreover, that distinction isn't meaningful within the current context, so it'd run against expectations for that reason.

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Are you saying it'd be OK if I actually put a web page of my own at that address? How would that make a difference? I like the fact that if I do change where I list my giveaways that link can be changed to point to it, wherever it is. Unlike a disposable shortened link.

My loss, anyway.

What would be far better than any of this would be if group giveaways had the option of being visible to all, but still required group membership to enter. It'd save the need for any of this.

Thanks for the bump.

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That's fine. Good luck to everyone else!

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There, I edited the OP just for you :P

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I've joined the group, but still cant see the giveaway =/

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Did you sync your account?

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Oops... It works now. Thanks, mate!

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thks you, already on the group for a long time thks for info and gib :)

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Hi, You may want to refer to this comment and make the necessary adjustments.
Regards and Cheers, Cruse~

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There is no website.

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Ah the other links. TBH they weren't in the post but I added them later as a joke to get as many references to indiebob,live in there as possible. I have posted links to livestreams before, however, and the link police did not call.

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Yes. I am not sure about before but the comment I linked was for a post quite recent and I am just informing you as a fellow user on SG. Its all up to you decide on your actions. Whether or not its a violation is not up to me to decide. I presented it to you for information and your decision. :D

I'm not sure if http://giveaways.indiebob.live is a violation so I'll leave it as that and other more qualified members may advise you further if you are interested. You may also want to make a Support Ticket if you want to rectify the situation yourself.

All in All, good luck to your group and your livestream, Cheers, Cruse~ :)

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It's links to a post on the steam group required to enter the giveaways.

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Much more of this BS and I am cancelling the GA and taking it to g13@m and you can all go whine at something else..

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The other users are trying to help you avoid being suspended for "advertising." One solution would be to use the Steam Group Recruitment subforum as intended by advertising your Steam group (https://steamcommunity.com/groups/IndieBob) instead of giveaways.indiebob.live. That would bring your OP into line with our site rules.

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at the top it says "Group Recruitment" as the forum. Is that not the right one?

Both giveaways require membership of my steam group.

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Recruiting members to your Steam group is not the same as redirecting Net traffic to one of your web pages (giveaways.indiebob.live). It is your redirection to giveaways.indiebob.live that is apparently in violation. Had you simply used the link to your Steam group, there would not have been an issue.

The SteamGifts' giveaway system is intended to provide its users with a working raffle system they may use to conduct giveaways. As an additional service, we provide the Steam Group Recruitment sub-forum for the purpose of recruiting members to a user's Steam Group. All other "advertising" is restricted to giveaway descriptions. Despite that, you have repeatedly attempted to steer traffic to and through other websites, presumably for your own benefit. Such an action would be in direct violation of SG Guidelines.

  • When posting links or content, that content should not force users, encourage users through reward, or primarily exist as a traffic source for users to perform an action for promotional, commercial, or monetary benefit. Such actions include but are not limited to clicking a referral link, liking a Facebook page, following a Twitter account, joining a Steam group, completing a survey, or making a donation. (Please note, in giveaway descriptions we do allow users and developers to link to their related Steam Greenlight, group, and store pages, as well as their social media channels. Users are also able to reference their group giveaways when posting in the Group Recruitment category of our forum.)

If you are truly unwilling to adhere to our policies and rules while using our site, I suggest you find another more in line with what you wish to accomplish. If you feel this is all "an honest mistake," then you need to clarify your intent and comply with our rules as soon as possible.

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giveaways.indiebob.live is my steam group. It is a post on my steam group. It is a simple redirect which sends people straight to a post on my steam group which lists all my current giveaways. No referrals, no stats, nothing, just a shorthand which I find easier to remember. Plus if I make another post, I can make it point there instead. Since it is a link to my steam group, I do not see the issue, as it is not prohibited in the rules, from what I can see.

There is no "indiebob.live" website, I am advertising nothing. I just use it for a few shortcuts I use. e.g. steam.indiebob.live for my steam group main page. I am a bit surprised you didn't check this before making such accusations!

I can't see what's wrong with the OP but please delete it if it breaks any rules. Nobody who posts in this forum fails to mention a giveaway and a steam group.

Examples:
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/qPHWm/call-of-duty-ghosts-wl-recruitment
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/lqP33/feenas-choice-group-weekly-gas

I can't see how my post is different from them.
That's why I posted here. if they are allowed why am I not?

I have used the same shortcuts in my listings. Please delete them if they break rules. Unwritten rules, since I am not breaking anything in your written laws. Please explain what part of my listings are wrong and why.

You have failed to do so, thus far.

If you want my giveaways you at least owe me an explanation! If I really was all about advertising I'd put them on gleam. obviously, where I could garner facebook likes, youtube subs, twitter follows etc. Seems to me you are being unbelievably petty over nothing and/or picking on me for no reason.

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Fickit.. Giveaways cancelled. Enjoy!

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Oh no! What shall we do now? Maybe focus on giving games away perhaps.

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That's what I intend to do!

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I can't see how my post is different from them.
That's why I posted here. if they are allowed why am I not?

Neither of those posts redirect to a personal webpage. You apparently did not read what I wrote above, so I will quote myself. "It is your redirection to giveaways.indiebob.live that is apparently in violation." If you simply replaced your giveaways.indiebob.live link with your Steam group URL, you would be in compliance.

If you want my giveaways you at least owe me an explanation!

You are free to use this site or not as you wish. Regardless of that, an explanation has already been given. Please refer to my previous post for details.

If I really was all about advertising I'd put them on gleam. obviously, where I could garner facebook likes, youtube subs, twitter follows etc.

If you really have nothing to gain from using giveaways.indiebob.live instead of steamcommunity.com/groups/IndieBob, it should not be a big deal to use the latter in place of the former. If a post violates a site rule, it is Support's job to act upon it. The degree to which a rule is violated is only relevant in regard to possible punishment.

Seems to me you are being unbelievably petty over nothing and/or picking on me for no reason.

I am simply enforcing the site rules. Those rules are intended to apply to all our users, including you. You were notified about a site rule and the apparent violation of that rule by your OP, and you were then asked to edit your OP so as to avoid that violation. Your hostile reaction and refusal to comply seem unreasonable.

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You are mistaken.

  1. Use of URL shortening services was said to be discouraged, even though I didn't use them.
  2. There is no indiebob.live website. I can't be steering traffic to something which does not exist.
  3. The URLS steam.indiebob.live and giveaways.indiebob.live resolve straight to my steam group with no intermediate webisite involved. This is quite easy to check with a domain resolution service. You tell me this is wrong but from what I see, it's not outlawed in the rules.
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Now we are getting somewhere.

It seems as if indiebob.live is an intermediary webpage. Please explain what exactly giveaways.indiebob.live is and how it functions. I may not personally be able to verify your explanation, but there are other Mods who can, and your explanation can be cited for future reference.

In the meantime, please refrain from including any links to giveaways.indiebob.live in your posts and use steamcommunity.com/groups/IndieBob instead.

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If all it does it redirect, why do you need it so badly that not using it prevents you from giving away games? Pick one, either it's meaningless and you can easily stop using it or it has some meaning which is prohibited by the rules.

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"Despite that, you have repeatedly attempted to steer traffic to and through other websites, presumably for your own benefit. "

Is what you said.

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That is indeed what I said/wrote. I was including the incident from February 8, 2015. I believe it is better to focus on the current post, however.

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Anyway, all this is pointless. Giveaways gone. Case closed. Feel free to delete this and any other threads you feel are in violation.

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PS you don't seem to have noticed that I took out all social links from the OP some time ago.

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checks

The indiebob.live link is still there. Problem not yet solved.

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indiebob.live doesn't exist.

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If I may jump in...

You may already be settled and have decided to move on to another avenue. Fine if that's the case, I'm not trying to sway your opinion one way or the other.

That being said, I don't understand the purpose of using your redirect link. Why is it so disadvantageous to you to simply link directly to the group page?

A minor change to

Check out my current giveaways including Hunt: Showdown, Ark: Survival Evolved and Full Throttle here: https://steamcommunity.com/groups/IndieBob/discussions/0/613948093887994007/

is all that would be needed to resolve the issue from our perspective. Why are you as resistant as you are to making that change?

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Even when I did have the social links in there it was a case of "here are my social links" and not "look at these great links"! No mention of having to look or join anything.

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sorry that this was such a disaster. i have known indiebob for some time and know him to be a thoughtful, straight-forward guy. too bad this happened. makes me wonder ...
Ah well, thanks indiebob for the gibs.

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