Pretty annoying don't want to giveaway without any contributer level gain
Pretty annoying that you have this attitude.
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I like your comment and your avatar (Spaceman Spiff for life!) Here, take a blue heart!
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Yeah, let's act like you paid full price for any of the games you're trying to give away.
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Not in the slightest.
CV is a decent motivator, especially for newcomers, but by no means the exclusive driving force. Straight value-for-value, gaining levels has diminishing returns. No high level user will tell you that it's an efficient way to win more giveaways. Overall, it isn't "worth it" to climb levels to gain some sort of advantage. This is because this site is about giving away games, not "gaming the system."
CV affects everyone equally, so your complaints of reduced value aren't justified.
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Glad you figured out the issue. Apologies for being curt, as the minimal information you provided in your OP simply came across as another "Why am I not receiving full CV???" thread, which are posted almost daily.
Guess I'm feeling laconic today, but perhaps next time I'll think twice.
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CV doesn't matter in the long run, it's a fun thing to play with but wont really give you any benefits.
What will give you benefits, however, is not being a jerk.
What benefits you ask?
This!
Welcome to my whitelist :)
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Yeah, the community here can be very cool....which is what makes it worthwhile to do giveaways at all...hoping someone cool wins (which actually happens every now and then, haha).
The vast majority of giveaways are for keys rather than Steam gifts . Keys you can get from a lot of different sources where Humble is a popular one.
Check this thread for pointers to where you can find current bundles Master list of ongoing bundles. (bundles are a great way to get keys for giveaways relatively cheap)
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Laconic. Now, there is a word one doesn't hear that often. In fact, I had forgotten its existence until you used it in your post.
How exalting. )
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Getting to level 10 is still the only so obviously best way to win all the hidden GTA V giveaways. Like all the lootbox etc sellers say, paying the most has the best value.
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Jesus, don't be an elitist asshole >_< You're level 10, yeah, cool. Doesn't mean you need to shit on the newcomers.
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If you didn't noticed, doctorofjournalism is level 10. And still doing giveaways. Do you really think he cares about contributor level? And let me tell you, it's not unique, many level 10 users still do giveaways. People doing costly giveaways without getting ANY CV for that. Think about it.
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Of course you stop caring about contributor level when you max out, because you literally cannot climb any higher :P
Do you think the attitude would be entirely the same if a level zero regular wanted to do a similarly high-value giveaway but (mistakenly) thought it would give them zero CV? Come on. There is nothing wrong with that frustration/confusion. Someone intending to become an active participant in both entry and giveaway is not being selfish if they thought that, and this treatment of them is wastefully bitter. Regulars here should seriously be above this. Unless they're actively being selfish or obnoxious there's really no need for it.
It's just as well it was a mistake on their interpretation of the giveaway layout, isn't it?
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If you were right - those people would stop making giveaways after they got to level 10. They are not.
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No, they would still make giveaways as they see fit, they would just stop caring about the CV aspect of it.
You asked if someone cared about contributor level, when they were incapable of progression, as an attempt at contrast. But I'm pretty sure if someone at level 9 CV made a 4x Cyberpunk 2077 giveaway batch and felt they saw a "no CV will be given away for this" marker, even if they didn't really care about CV they may feel a little more than absolutely nothing than radiant holy benevolent charity. :P
Your post was an attempt to say "Level 10 people dont care about CV so you shouldn't either" but it falls flat when lvl10s literally cannot progress, whereas lvl0 newcomers who want to contribute are unable to enter stuff due to giveaway restrictions. There's nothing wrong with quirking a brow at the idea that nothing you give away counts. Again, it was a mistake in their interpretation of the giveaway layout, but the judgement was unnecessary and seriously jumped the gun.
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I told you why you are worng. I don't care enough to explain it even further, you either think about it and understand it, or stay with your wrong opinion - both is fine with me.
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Ah, the old "I'm right you're wrong, because I say so, I'm not listening laa laa laa" chestnut, then?
Classic
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No, another old one. "I've already proved this logically, and have nothing to add".
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All you proved was that you were able to posit an argument.
When it was challenged you failed to address counterpoint, plugged your ears, and started saying "I'm right you're wrong".
Anybody can make the hollow claim of "I win therefore I don't have to respond" if they are willing to ignore challenges or rebuttals to what they assert. Maybe my troll radar is broken and I'm giving you too much benefit of the doubt.
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One can challenge and find a counterpoint to anything, even to something completely proven. If one don't want to understand - there is no way to force one. Why whould I spend time for something that stupid?
As for your troll radar - it seems there is a troll rigth beside it, no wonder it goes crazy.
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Again, all you proved was that you were able to posit an argument.
Attempting to get any intellectual honesty out of you has proven fruitless, so I guess I'm done trying.
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How can you pretend you have some kind of moral high ground when you're doing the exact same thing? It takes 2 to argue and you're not absolutely right just by claiming so either.
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I haven't claimed to be right 'just because' at all.
And I have tried to actually engage, and responded to their (sole) counterpoint.
That's kind of a critical difference, which kind of makes our approaches pretty much opposite?
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You claim you are right just because you didn't claim you are right or what? You both have your differing opinions and that's just what they are, not any kind of absolute facts that rule over the free will of every level 10 user. So you are both wrong universally but right inside your own opinions and for some part of the users.
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...what?
Yes, we have 'differing opinions', but I'm willing to discuss and adjust mine if they are found to be inaccurate or lacking. I don't make hollow claims of "I'm just right, if you don't agree then you're just wrong, and I don't care", and the only 'moral high ground' I claim to have is in trying to keep an even temper and not talking down at anyone until provoked or treated similarly. Is any of that objectionable to you? Because I'm wondering why exactly you opted to level this train of thought at me specifically? I mean, did you accidentally mistake who is who in that above exchange or something?
And yeah, it does take two to argue, only there isn't really much of an argument, just one person saying "I'm right you're wrong" and another saying "Okay now you're just being obnoxious". They're not forced to debate or discuss anything, not by a long shot, but they're also not forced to scoff loudly when they decline, and if when the tone sours as a result, you shouldn't be surprised.
Besides, doesn't going by the "everyone is wrong except for in their own opinions" approach pretty much render your own contributions pointless under your own values? Especially given the exchange had just ended when you came in to defend the "I'm right you're wrong" guy?
The only reason I'm even wasting time on this subject is because people jumped the gun trying to rail on a newcomer using a wonky a rationality. So maybe you'll have to forgive me, but I'm one of these weirdos who like dissassembling the thought processes that make people want to browbeat new members who are doing nothing wrong.
Especially when their 'reasoning' is akin to "The head of the company doesn't worry about getting promoted and still contributes, therefore you, the lowest rank, are selfish for being concerned your contributions are totally disregarded".
Don't get me wrong Starwhite, the total hands-off 'lets all get along, nobody is correct, its all just opinion' approach is a nice idea, right up until it gets used to defend those who are actually helping pick fights with people who did nothing wrong. :P
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I just mean that your opinions literally mean nothing at all. It's all the level 10 users who decide it for themselves if they feel something is worth it for them or not and there is no universal consensus you can get by arguing between different opinions. Some agree with you, some agree with Ryzhehvost and some have yet different feelings about it.
I didn't mistake anything and like you see, I targeted the message at both, but you were the one being more active about it and demanding some kind of justification for the opposing opinion, so I replied to you that both are wrong. My contribution was to point out that both are right partially but not completely no matter how long you argue about it with how good arguments.
Attacking both is not defending either, obviously I'm the only one right here. :P But as a counter example to your particular opinion, I made 1.5k giveaways with no CV and thousands more with tiny fractions of a cent before I was level 10. After I don't bother with them, I just give whatever leftovers I have if I buy a bundle and check if they give CV because I need to protect myself from dirty modifiers stealing my levels! And this might change any day when I start feeling otherwise, nothing is set in stone.
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I'm quite aware that people have differing opinions, but if someone presents their opinion as an unbendable 'only logical conclusion' without merit AND that opinion is being used to poke at a newcomer, of course I'm going to challenge that.
And I felt you were mistaken because your first reply pointed at me exclusively, and while the second may have spoke about both of us, both the posts described nothing that I had actually said or done (but that the other had). Isn't that why people debate things, to test the merits of the points that are put forward? Like I said they didn't have to debate matters with me if they felt it a waste of energy or had no interest, but arrogant scoffing as a parting shot has a certain repercussion in a tonal shift.
To underline your example regarding giveaways : That's just it. You acknowledge that there is no solid universal rule towards peoples giveaway behaviour or intents. People vary. You don't try to use your level (or others) as a means of projecting guilt onto new members who were looking to contribute, do you? That's the core thing my point was orbiting around. The implication of the whole overarching conversation is that the OP was being selfish, and the only thing backing this up was using level 10 users as an effective sniper-tower, making assumptions on their attitudes.
The phrasing of 'they dont care about CV progression' was what I tackled. I pointed out that this is a strange thing to say, because they are literally unable to progress, and the person he is saying it to is someone who faces every level restriction. Like saying "The head of the company doesn't care about promotion, so you are greedy for caring when your efforts at the bottom of the company are totally disregarded". Surely you can see why I wanted to unpack that kind of thinking?
The goalposts shifted, and they said that if any level10 cared about CV they would stop making giveaways once they maxed out their level, which is untrue. Any level10 could have easily made giveaways with the purpose of progression to where they found themselves in the end. All the continued giveaways suggest is that they still want to give to the community (or don't mind the tiny paperwork required to rehome unwanted keys, haha). It's inaccurate to paint the entire populace in a binary like that, much less using it in support of what amounted to a moral cudgel over a mistaken interpretation of what the OP actually meant. I made no assertion to iron-cast rules of behaviour. I never stood there and said "I'm right you're wrong". I pointed out something that simply didn't track. In your words, to show that things were not as set in stone as they claimed. Pull out the loose pebbles and let the wall fall under its own weight.
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If you still want to nitpick about it, let's go
If you didn't noticed, doctorofjournalism is level 10. And still doing giveaways. Do you really think he cares about contributor level? And let me tell you, it's not unique, many level 10 users still do giveaways.
They only claim that there are some level 10 users who think a certain way.
Of course you stop caring about contributor level when you max out, because you literally cannot climb any higher
Your argument that tries to counter the first by saying everyone must think another way. The counter to "there are some" is "there are none", which clearly is completely wrong. So either there was an argument where you were more wrong or there was no argument between you at all and you were just agreeing about different sides of the same thing, which makes it quite silly to ask to prove it right.
TL;DR their claim was already proven true by empirical evidence of there being such people. Your claim was just your opinion on how it should be.
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They only claim that there are some level 10 users who think a certain way.
Yes, but they claimed as such, in reply to a chain where the OP was being implied to be selfish, to which the OP had replied that people (can) care about CV. "Do you really think he cares about contributor level" is rhetorical, carrying certain implications.
Your argument that tries to counter the first by saying everyone must think another way.
You keep continually making strange claims about my arguments and sentiments, and I'm starting to think you're not actually reading them in full, or not applying the same attention to detail as you did when quoting Ryzhehvost at me. I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but you're consistantly accusing me of claiming/saying things that I haven't, while telling me to pay attention to others wording and saying I'm 'nitpicking'. Its starting to get hard not to read this as bias.
Perhaps take a moment to refresh yourself on the conversation, and consider what you're trying to get out of this. As I said, the exchange had ended when you came to accuse me of 'pretending to have the moral highground' and 'claiming im right just because I say so'.
Back to the quote? No, my argument does not try to counter the first by saying everyone must think another way.
I said that the contrast they tried to use was faulty.
It did not counter the OPs point that some people do in fact care about CV accreditation, particularly when at lower levels. Higher levels who literally cannot progress that still make giveaways was a kind of mismatch.
TL;DR their claim was already proven true by empirical evidence of there being such people. Your claim was just your opinion on how it should be.
No empirical evidence has been provided that that level 10 contributors did not care about CV while starting out, only that some level 10s continue to create regular giveaways despite gaining nothing. While that suggests they are more community-minded, or prefer giving away spare keys rather than ignoring and wasting them (and speaks well of them), neither are arguments that support the need to scoff at newcomers with concerns over CV gains, nor that some members create giveaways to level-up as much as to contribute.
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Stating the obvious is not any kind of attack or strange claim, How about you stop thinking someone is attacking you every time you just are wrong? I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt that you actually wanted to discuss about something and come to some conclusion instead of going on and on about silly drama, but you're constantly claiming you didn't say the exact things you keep on saying. The bias against you that you read more and more of comes from this, the obvious has been explained to you several times already but yet you have some inane need to go on and on about how it's an attack on you, no from what you initially claimed or anything personal.
How about you focus more on the point of what is said than still nitpicking about bad wording or whatever that has nothing at all to do with the point. You blamed them for acting some way, I merely pointed out the obvious that you are acting the same way and then acting all high and mighty when told that you both are doing it. If you still are unable to get this, I suggest you read it over and over until you finally do. Or did you finally want to provide your proof for your opinions? Still haven't seen any.
You should maybe talk to some level 10 users and learn how they think, then you could also make claims based on something empirical, not just your own imagination. And stop confusing level 10 users with level 0 already, they are not related in any way or form in this. The only faults you find are of your own making trying to mix in unrelated things. Someone says that he knows many level 10 users who prefer apples over oranges and you come in arguing that they must prefer oranges because some level 0 user might be allergic to apples.
This is where I got bored of this and go to sleep, I bet there will be another wall of blah blah waiting about how you're the poor victim here, but you can keep it as a monologue from now on since all points have already been made and I would need to be drunk to actually start attacking you to keep you happy.
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Stating the obvious is not any kind of attack or strange claim.
You keep saying I claimed something that I didn't.
I keep repeatedly underlining what my intent or (actual) points are in case of a language issue.
What more can I possibly do here to set you straight in that regard?
If you still insist at that point without quoting me so I can try to fathom where you're getting these impressions from, it becomes so detached from the reality of the situation that we have no mutual basis for discussion. In which case it becomes a conversation between you and a figment of your own imagination and my presence isn't even required here. :P
How about you stop thinking someone is attacking you every time you just are wrong?
Uh, what? Wrong? Am I wrong about what my own intentions or what arguments I'm trying to put forward are?
So who gets to decide that exactly? :U
Because this is the crux of why nothing constructive is happening here. You insist I'm saying things I'm not. I'm not going to sit and try to defend points that I didn't make and that I don't believe in. I mean, where's this bizarre disconnect coming from? Every supposed counter you have made has been to something I haven't said nor implied, hence why I started to doubt you were even reading my replies seriously at best.
I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt that you actually wanted to discuss about something and come to some conclusion instead of going on and on about silly drama
Except the entire issue here originated from that "silly drama", and was already resolved before you came wading in.
For me to come to a different conclusion you have to actually talk about the subject and my actual thoughts, not the weird alt-takes you keep projecting onto me.
but yet you have some inane need to go on and on about how it's an attack on you
I pointed out that you are consistently ignoring my actual words and each time I attempt clarification you neatly sidestep it and claim my intention/point was something different. These claims of 'going on about how this is an attack' is another fine example of it. I have never claimed your previous stuff was an attack on me even though I doubted your neutrality due to what appeared to be a selective focus, though given how this panned out it seems to have been more than just that.
Or did you finally want to provide your proof for your opinions? Still haven't seen any.
So you now require hard proof to accept that users can value CV while still wanting to contribute?
Or that level 10 users were capable of valuing CV prior to reaching higher levels?
Exactly what proof is it that you require, that isn't easily observed or reasonably extrapolated?
Also do you even appreciate the hypocrisy in such indignant mentality when you yourself haven't "provided proof" of the things you keep claiming I'm saying? Such as when you said I claimed I was saying "i'm right just because"? Or when you said because I suggested an alternative interpretation to what someone observed, that I was in fact claiming all other people do something opposite? Or where I avoided the actual subject matter in favour of apparently focusing solely on 'personal attack' when this entire mess of a conversation has been pretty much just me trying to establish a basic understanding of what I'm trying to say?
And stop confusing level 10 users with level 0 already, they are not related in any way or form in this.
Gee, it's almost like that's an aspect of something at the very core of what was being discussed. That line actually gets closer grasping one of my central thoughts. It's kind of almost funny, if not for the attitude you're throwing out. I mean, did you already forget what the actual subject matter was that we were discussing or something?
Someone says that he knows many level 10 users who prefer apples over oranges and you come in arguing that they must prefer oranges because some level 0 user might be allergic to apples.
rly?
This is where I got bored of this and go to sleep, I bet there will be another wall of blah blah waiting about how you're the poor victim here, but you can keep it as a monologue from now on since all points have already been made and I would need to be drunk to actually start attacking you to keep you happy.
Heh. I'm only a victim to my own lack of willpower to ignore obvious timesinks that go nowhere. Well I suppose I only have myself to blame for all this, because I'm trying to have like, basic civil discourse in a gaming forum. What did I even expect? :P
spoilers : It'll keep happening
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I actually like your friendly attitude very much.
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Actually yes they exist, not everyone is giving away just to have CV.
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No need to be a dick about it. Starting out as a fresh face on steamgifts and having all your potential giveaways marked with a zero is a pretty disheartening thing. It's only made worse when an established regular gives them the middle finger over it.
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No need to be a dick about it.
Eh, that's never stopped me before.
Thanks for the blacklist.
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You're welcome?
edit : Reverted it because it seems stuff got smoothed over. What can I say? I saw everyone jumping the gun and must have felt the urge to join the bandwagon myself :P
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Reduced value means the game has been bundled before and therefore don't give full value.
No value games are due to the fact that they have been given away somewhere else for free at some stage which is only fair.
I don't really see the issue here.
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https://www.steamgifts.com/bundle-games
This gives you a list of what games became bundled and when. Also Vee79 below posted a good link to check and see if the game has been bundled before.
EDIT: I see that your point has been answered below.
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Most of the games from the community wishlist will give you full cv.
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Nope. Those are under the giveaways, when you try to create a giveaway there will be an asterisk after the title for those that it is applicable to.
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Those are the legends that explain what the asterisks mean if they ever show up on your game title. ;)
Try typing "goo" in the box, and you will see a few titles with red stars.
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The red stars and text there are for reference because people said they didn't know what the red stars meant. If a game is reduced value (if it has been previously heavily discounted) or no value (if it has previously been free) it will also have stars directly after the name. Cyberpunk 2077 has no stars next to it because it is full value.
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Those text are static and will always be there. You should look at the title of the game to see whether it has asterisks or not.
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Some people are just mega rude. Majority of people here are cool though. I actually copped what you were saying and was going to respond similarly to the above comment from nhahtdh. Games like "Lego Lord of the Rings" give 0 CV because they were previously given away free, so you can type that one in the box just to check how it works. ;)
I get the impression that they jumped to the conclusion that you were complaining about getting 0 CV for previously free games.
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That's the conclusion I came to reading the post. It never would have occurred to me that the user mistook the key at the bottom to referring to every game.
But it got sorted out in the end, so hopefully we didn't scare them away before that. ;)
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Welcome to our club. Looks like its already explained but I just made this so here it is anyhow.
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guys don't be so rude, how many of you have been like him your first day?
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None?
Since the system mentioned didn't exist back then for almost everyone responding in this topic.
Also no, I would have never gotten the actual issue from the text in the OP, just saying. We do get plenty of new users complaining about cv so 1+1 is an easy connection. Happy that's not the case here.
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If you make even 1 giveaway you'll already be in the top 15% of users on this site. Welcome to elite status. :)
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Don't bother with it, really. At this point, pretty much everything that's not full priced and recent has been bundled at least once so reduced value is all you get, don't worry about it. You'll still get cv for giving away games you don't want to play yourself, and you'll get levels and (slightly) further your chances of winning. Honestly levels don't make much difference.
You'll just have to make more GAs to get to higher levels, like we all did. Be a part of the community. Discuss games with like-minded people. Butt heads over who the best character is. Bitch about Humble Bundle and Steam with other gamers. That's what it's about.
Level is just something in the corner of your screen that gets higher as time goes. GAs are for sharing and CV is just a bonus you get.
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It seems the issue is that the user thought the */* key at the bottom applied to every game, and wasn't just a key so you knew why some games had / ** after the title.
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im confused. you joined one day ago. won a game with no cv and yet complain that it sucks to make giveaways with no cv. if user awefaw had that same attitude, you wouldnt have had the chance to win something.
edit- damn! and won that giveaways only entering in three others! what luck!
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That's not what he was saying. Check above. He thought that the small print under the text box was giving him 0CV for all games he wanted to make giveaways for. Not just typical 0 CV games.
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gotcha.
i will piggyback off of doctorofjournalism
Apologies for being curt, as the minimal information you provided in your OP simply came across as another "Why am I not receiving full CV???" thread, which are posted almost daily.
i can see that footnote indications could be confusing to some who arent used to it but op was incredibly vague coupled with being an ass in a few comments but big apologies. there are a lot of misunderstandings flying around
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Well, I'm glad to see you guys got that problem sorted out :P It's nice to see it was all just a misunderstanding instead of a full blown argument. Also, welcome to steamgifts and I hope you have a wonderful time
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Welcome to the community. It seems that you have understand what you have inquired about. :D
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Welcome! I hope the attitude in this thread doesn't dissuade you from using the site, people can get emotional when discussing SG controversies. I respect that you are already trying to give back to the community, good luck and have fun around here :]
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Well, welcome to SG. Prepare to deal with a lot of elitist assholes, this website is really going to destroy your faith in humanity.
Just give away your leftovers for the sake of making a random person happy, your level will slowly rise. Good luck :)
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AFAIK Level 5+ ppl doing giveaway either for the fun, play-together, charity, or maybe even for the lul
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