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Armor means nothing, it's always been the stats, numbers above visuals, it's how always since the dawn of gaming it has been, and so it shall be as.

because in mmo's cute girls are treated as dress up dolls and guys are made to look bad ass. look at most mmo players they will get several outfits for the girl toons but will have 1 bad ass looking outfit for the guy. there is no reason not to have end game tight pants & nipple pricing armor for guys.

Well I mean the generation you grew up with would definitely wise up to what's going on, but if you're wiling to hit rock bottom you could always continue doing it on the generation below you..

That may well be true. It's also possible that I am the confused one regarding gender and to be honest I'm not much invested in the topic.

There isn't even a gender binary as far as biological sex goes. Never heard of hermaphrodites? They've got at least a little bit of both going on physically.

Less than 2% of the world population is not clearly male or female due to ambiguous genitalia, Androgen insensitivity syndrome, or other chromosomal abnormality.

Sex is biological and is binary. Male and female. To deny this is to deny science.

Gender definitions are a totally different and are socially created. In the most simplistic terms, a male can feel what is considered to be socially stereotypically feminine, and a female can feel what is considered to be socially stereotypically masculine. They can dress and behave however they wish, but no amount of hormone therapy or surgery is going to change the biological sex of that remaining 98% of the world population. To give people experiencing this BDD the hope that they can change the basic biological building blocks of life is cruel and unnecessary punishment.

This isn't bigoted. It isn't *-phobic. It's simply reality.

Society has not done people any favors when it comes to allowing people to simply express themselves how they wish. The whole reason transgenderism (social construct) has come about is that people feel like they cannot just be who they feel they are because someone tells them they are in some way broken, therefore they must actually be someone else.

You're a man who loves men. Well, homophobes will tell you that's wrong, so you must obviously be a trans-woman. That's at least somewhat more socially acceptable to some (see Iraq) because it appears to then be more heterosexual.

You're a woman who grew up a tomboy and likes softball, fast cars, and other women. Well, you must obviously really be a man. It's not possible to just be a lesbian. You must be erased. Society says so.

Let people be people and stop reinforcing gender stereotypes. Gender stereotypes do more harm than good.

+1

Thank you for posting a comment in a really stupid or rude way in order to make sure that nobody will ever care to answer your comment. But I will answer it and, as I said above, I know it sounds prejudiced and that there are also mean gay people. :P I'm just taking a wild guess, since I've met gay people that were really kind and they've told me about other gay people that were also really kind. But, as I said, there are also mean gay people, because people are gonna be people, which means that it's in our nature to do bad things too. :/

I understand and I agree about that. As I said, it was a generalization. I was merely talking about the homosexual people I've met and their friends.

You didn't even say anything that can be considered offensive. xD Damn, you're good. Really good. Yeah, probably these guys are back.

Reason why I decided not to read this thread. [Although, that's pretty much what I'm doing right now! duh]
EDIT: Barely reading it... since I'm now confused as if you had been blacklisted 300 times or blacklisted 300 people.
I really should go sleep. ^^

ya i was just pointing out the even being scientific there are more than 2 genders. if you want to get into fungus i hear they have like 50some genders but i have not studied it enough to understand it yet.

but this is where the confusion comes from when people are referring to a mantels state but using terms meant for genitalia. its not really as complex as its made out to be. this isn't new though people want to think it is. where do you think were-wolves came from? it was a psychosis where people thought they were wolfs and would run around the forest and act like a wolf, howling and such. you can look it up. its just not common anymore because they think it manifests as different rage psychosis now. they think its do to our lack of contact with forests and/or wolfs.

Actually there's a term called "third gender". Some specialists even say there's a fourth and a fifth gender. But the name doesn't matter, since people don't think about names when it comes to identify themselves. They just feel (or don't feel).

All that matters is that those people are not identified as the traditionally known genders. They don't have a woman mind or a man mind and don't like having an exclusively manly or womanly body (or even don't like any sex prominent body characteristics).

1. Retard is still used, so is moron and idiot. So the scientific community groans and has to come up with new terms that are simply better, because it became part of every day speech, and the connotations for it became negative. The correct term is Transgendered, transexual can still be used but it's no longer the correct term. I mean I guess you can still use it but the correct term is transgendered, because people have weird hangups about sex and sexuality.

2. No, except people can identify as whatever they want which is my point that doesn't make it true. Also it is, because there are people out there who think that they are a female tiger, and that's what they identify as. The question at large is identification and that falls into this category right now.

3. Gender is binary, you can say that you're not going to do the whole societal expectations of certain genders which is perfectly fine. If you're a woman and you want to be an oil-rig worker or do traditionally male jobs, then whatever go for it. If you're a male and you want to be a seamstress or do traditionally female jobs then good for you. You are still one or the other, saying that you're not either is silly. Again it falls into the well why can't I say that I'm a wolf category. It's simply not true, you can make some societal argument that you're going to fight the system, but we have labels for a reason, and if you want to be an irritating shit about it and make other people accommodate you then you're an asshole.

4. I do know someone who once told me that they were a male wolf, she might have some form of gender dysphoria, but as of the last time I checked she was still a woman and hadn't transitioned or was going to start the transition. Clearly she is not a wolf, and as of right now she's not a male. So clearly there is an issue.

5. I personally believe that you are free to identify as whatever you want, I can't stop you nor would I stop you, unless you are a danger to yourself or others. If a man comes to me and says my name is now Sandra and I'm transitioning to be a woman, I'll buy her a cake and respect that person. I'll be supportive, what I will not do is accommodate people who want to be special and be treated as special. I don't care if you think you're special. I think people are forgetting why we label things. Dog, cat, we label them so that we can communicate with other people. Starting to make shit up and demanding that other people follow your whims makes you an asshole in my book.

Okay =]

That may very well be true but we, modern society, identify those people as delusional

I addressed that earlier, there are people with ambiguous genitalia, but hermaphrodites in the way pop culture views them doesn't exist. Not really, you aren't born with a penis and a vagina, you are born with poorly formed external genitalia, in the way you can be born with one kidney or a horse-shoe kidney. It didn't form correctly and in that case, as I said either pick one for the kid but be open that they identify as the other or you let the kid grow older and have a choice. So no, you didn't actually get me. It's a sexual characteristic disorder, gender is a binary choice.

...Why because my view of gender is a binary construct based on human biology with some minor variations based on brain chemistry and perception, while also dealing with varying degrees of human nature and how society plays a role in what people view to be true? I don't base my definitions on what other people feel to be true, or feelings or others opinions. I base it on what we know to be true, with as much nuance and leeway as humanly possible. If you want to accomadate everything and everyone then quite frankly I don't think you stand for anything at all.

Okay perhaps I should be even more clear about my words. And spell it out for you, men who identify as women, or women who identify as men are still part of a binary choice. Whether or not they transition, or become a man or a woman is besides the point. My point is they aren't becoming a third gender there is no third gender, and maybe it's not a choice in the normal sense of the word, but saying that see they are a third gender is stupid, when again they are simply transgendered. I don't care what they consider themselves as but fighting for a legal third term does not mean jack squat, nor does it make it a concept that is easily definable other than I feel a certain way.

If Ru Paul decided that he wanted to make Drag Queens a legal classification for men, well that's fine. I like Ru Paul, he can do whatever he wants. It doesn't change the fact that these are men who dress up like women and perform, that doesn't make it a third gender it just means that we're legalizing terms for people that make zero sense. Should they be a protected class, absolutely, should they be treated with respect and dignity absolutely. Should it be legalized in a way that makes it easier to punish those who do it wrong, I'm not sure but what I do know is that you're splitting hairs. They are men, biologically, who from what I read either don't have sex or there are multiple terms for different things and guess what other countries with different languages label shit differently. Surprise! Language is Language, the point remains that they found a group of people who idenitify as one thing and they labeled it. That doesn't make it a third gender, despite what these people may want to believe or they say it is.

Have fun at the next nazi convention both of you ^_~

hehe, well you said you like games, i thought you may like a wordplay game. ^^

You're arguing for a decoupling of these things, when gender the way people see it is both biological and societal, let's ignore the biology for a moment and focus simply on the societal. We have a term for people who do not fit the preconceived notion of traditional gender roles that's gender non-conformity. I wrote about it earlier I don't care to rehash it again. Mostly because I'm lazy and mostly because the defnition is easily available by a google search.

You're arguing that the brain creates gender, due to slight variations in the brain. I probably agree with you, where I don't agree with is intergender because there is no such thing. There is no quasigender, even if their brain is slightly different we have all the tools in the world and what we would probably find is that there is no uniformity there, and once again we fall into perception vs reality and I am not getting into it. Someone saying to you that they're intergender is fine you can treat them however you wish, you can be supportive you can be derisive, you can not give a fuck (I fall into this category) or you can just ignore it and carry on. All because they say that they feel like that doesn't mean that it has anything to do with the brain, it could be completely cultural, it could be due to some variation. We as humans do no concept of it in a societal let alone a biological form. Now if scientists proper ones, I'm so sick of people paying scientists to find the information that they want, determine that yes there are slight variations of this and they could easily do this by doing a PET Scan, and MRI and possibly a CT scan with a simple questionnaire on what I assume will be about gender and what have you, I'd be skeptical of questions though, which is expensive by the way you could probably find out if this is an actual thing. I doubt it is, and until such a study comes out you're hypothesizing on something we have zero proof on. We have that with transgendered people, the same should be said for anyone else. That's the crtuch, I'm willing to believe you if there is several scientific studies backing you up. Not some silly law, not anything else. So I dunno push for it, push to prove definitively that slight brain variations mean something in the long run. Someone feeling different than everyone else is normal human behavior, it's normal human perception. So list the studies out and I will change my mind, because this conversation is silly.

Basically because I am so done with this conversation and probably will be ignoring it from now on.

No, attention does have something to do with it, but it's not everything. I can't deal with people not liking me as much as others or having a different sort of relationship.
And then theres these people I want to be close friends with so badly for some reason, and I can't handle meaning absolutely nothing to these people and I don't know why. I can deal with it better from others but not them. These people say they're my friends or they like me then ignore me 80% of the time. And they flirt and talk to and hang out with each other all the time and just ignore me. I fucking gave one of them my most private lewds and they won't even talk to me. I'm a failed useless whore.

Well to be fair, we all have our insecurities, just that some of us deal with them better then others. As for people telling you how you have to live, bah, screw em. Personally, I enjoy being alone far more then being in a serious relationship, so people who say no one can live alone... As far as I'm concerned, they're just describing themselves, and/or they lack independence.

Now naturally, none of us want to be completely alone, it's nice to be able to go out from time to time, or spend quality time with someone, but it doesn't need to be a relationship where you see one another every day and can't live your own lives. If people could agree on simple relationships, like say, we live separate, we work mon-fri, then on friday night, or saturday we have some quality time, sunday take care of our shopping and/or bills... Then I think relationships would be better, that people would be much happier, but I could be wrong. All I know is, the best part of a relationship is when you first start off, only seeing one another from time to time, leaving you pining. You finally spend that time together, and it's great, you're satisfied and happy. But once you start seeing each other all the time, relying on each other for everything, then it all just seems to go south.

women never gave attention to me ;-;