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Feb 23 2022: Original post

As a Russian-speaking Ukrainian currently living in Poland, I have a complicated relationship with my home country. I have relatives and friends hailing from Russia; half of my family speaks Russian. Everybody in my school in Kyiv (i.e. Kiev) spoke Russian back in the early 2000s. It is true, there are millions of Russian-speaking Ukrainians. But just so you know, Ukraine is not a part of Russia; it was not created by fucking Lenin. Many Ukrainians have never been and do not want to go to Russia or be its part. The language vs. culture question is absurd. The Russian language was forced upon Ukrainians for centuries, and still, Ukrainians are different culturally. The mad tsar Putin is literally a blackmailer who imposes fear and anxiety on the entire Ukrainian nation. Everyone I know back in Kyiv prepares alarm briefcases with water and medicines, just in case of bombing, or plans to move, as I did after 2014. This is a fucking nightmare. I have anxieties of my own; I cannot stand this shit anymore. Please! This is an awareness thread. You have to know.
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https://www.la.lv/video-jakutijas-pilsetinas-iedzivotaji-ar-asaram-acis-atvadas-no-mobilizetajiem-viriesiem

Men are already being loaded on buses and taken to war from region of Якутия (Jakutia). Video in article with relatives saying goodbyes.
Most of these people most likely don't even understand what is going on. They live thousands of kilometers away from frontlines. For those living in neighboring countries in Europe this is bigger deal. And putler is just sending these poor souls to grinder.

Just more senseless deaths so a power hungry dictator can feed his ego. But hey - according to cement its going by the plan and everythings fine. Thats why they need inexperienced guys from remote regions of russia.

As a side note - it is actually laughable something like this is sent out by a paper notice with a stamp on it.... Russia and how kremlin works is literally how it was 20-30 years ago. Zero improvement ..... but as we can see same goes for tactics and equipment. I just wonder - how much did those poor sods will receive for writing up and stamping up to 300k call-up papers..

PS... its also reported that up to 1300 people have been arrested for protesting against war ...... seriously - you have to be braindead to defend anything kremlin does.

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About 3,500 euros per month (transferred, and so from 205,000 rubles per month). This is a fairly high salary, and as you can see on the commercials, people understand where they will go. Why are the younger ones, since they just think about those who served recently, they do not need to be taught a new technique. And then we take a radio operator 43 years old and what. he knows almost nothing about the new technology, he needs to be trained. So the inexperienced are not needed here at all. Meaning from untrained fighters, there would be a task to detain at any cost, then yes, anyone already, but here it is not necessary.

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You can't really spend your salary when you are dead cannon fodder... So it really isn't that high...

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[Photos] Inside a church, a cozy therapy center for Russian 'heroes'. At least they were able to pray for their recovery, if they had a lot of faith because the whole thing looks like a biohazard dump.
EDIT: I removed the part "a former Russian army medical center".
@cement, thanks for pointing out the semantic issue. Now you can join the Russian mobilization with a relieved heart.

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looks like amputations were made there, so more like a field surgery center

maybe put a disclaimer

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What kind of disclaimer should I put?

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maybe something with "viewers discretion is advised contains explicit footage"

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A small clarification. This is not a medical center, this is a dressing station, which is located as close as possible to the positions, because the earlier the dressing begins, the more likely it is to save a life or reduce the amputation of a limb. And so they are field camps, as well as points, but at the same time brick walls will protect much better from splinters than a simple tarpaulin (fabric). If you look at other videos of this author, you can see on them how a group of people drives around the city. If you write a center, then it will sound, if you wrote a dressing station, then it no longer sounds. And so those who need it, then they understand, but those who do not understand, then rejoice in high words. "Oh, the Center."

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What are you even doing here? Shouldn't you be among the first ones going to a recruitment office voluntarily?

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You should go fight for Dombass with your fellow Putin's troops

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(unconfirmed) Putin Decree's Missing Line May Reveal Plan To Mobilize 1 Million—Report
The absence of point 7 of the Russian mobilization decree raises concerns. Newspaper Novaya Gazeta says the paragraph missing from the decree on the partial mobilization might contain instructions to draft 1 million people into the Russian military. The Kremlin has denied the claim.

Time will tell if Putin goes that far. For now it's just bluff material. The Kremlin is already busy with the 300,000 newly mobilized.

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Why 300k? Do you trust honest Putin's authorities?

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I agree, it's just a figure written on the Russian mobilization decree. Kremlin is not known for its honesty.

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You understand situations change and as a leader you may have to change your mind. People act like no one has changed opinions on thing when they get new information. That is one issue of the social media era having records of what you previously said and try to play "gotcha" with old posts.

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Very true. But I think he is trying to say Putin does this kinda often. He isn't the most reliable person...

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I would say most elected officials are unreliable. I am not trying to defend Putin just making an observation. Also thing change quickly in war. If he didn't change his stance on thing he would surely be doomed to failure.

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Yeh, I agree, our president isn't reliable at all either. But Putin is next level unreliable :P
This war shouldn't even be here as Russia promised to leave Ukraine alone if they gave them the nuclear weapons.

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The Ukraine situation is very complicated. Many treaties and deals broken on both sides. The US leading coups to overthrow the government there several times didn't help things either.

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The US leading coups to overthrow the government there several times

you got proof for your claims this time?
because last time you didn't had one

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I am guessing he believes the Russian propaganda that Euromaiden was an American coup.
Kinda weird to watch Russian tv in America to be honest...

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look on the previous page about the discussion i had with him before, especially the part where he claimed white supremacists aren't Nazis

Kinda weird to watch Russian tv in America to be honest...

i guessed he is a Trump supporter, so he's already used to propaganda and fake news

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I just read most of it. He isn't wrong on all parts though. The Ukraine is very much corrupt too. It's the main reason why they aren't in the EU yet.
I don't understand why he thinks we watch Ukrainian news propaganda though. Around here we get to see both Ukrainian and Russian claims, and they always say "unverified". Most verified news comes from British intelligence. So yeh, weird he watches Russian TV and thinks the rest of the west watches Ukrainian TV. :P

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The Ukraine is very much corrupt too. It's the main reason why they aren't in the EU yet.

i agree, but it's a problem in many east european countries

Around here we get to see both Ukrainian and Russian claims

it's a thing even cement fails to understand over and over again, maybe it's more convenient for russian trolls to assume that, so they can fabricate shit out of it or they're just not familiar with how liberal western media works

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it's a thing even cement fails to understand over and over again, maybe it's more convenient for russian trolls to assume that, so they can fabricate shit out of it or they're just not familiar with how liberal western media works

It was very beautifully shown that they themselves admitted that the news was still leaking. It does not work out completely not to bring only a piece, the truth still comes out.
Or have you forgotten the discussion about England? This is the previous page. It is very little connected, since this program was generally from Russia and about England, and it was very difficult to understand what Ukraine had to do with it, although Ukraine should be discussed in this topic.

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It does not work out completely not to bring only a piece, the truth still comes out.

i can't believe that you state something like this and still believe your russian propaganda and repeat their claims when a number of lies from them have already been uncovered, i don't see anything even close to that on western news and what do you want with england again?
You mean that mumbo jumbo about declaring war, which you haven't even backed up with sources, just cut it and don't embarrass yourself another time

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i don't see anything even close to that on western news and what do you want with england again?
You mean that mumbo jumbo about declaring war, which you haven't even backed up with sources, just cut it and don't embarrass you another time

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/23/britain-must-prepared-go-war-russia/
https://news.sky.com/story/raf-chief-tells-sky-news-british-fighter-pilots-ready-for-russian-threat-to-uk-12652529
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10930527/Prepare-fight-beat-Russia-World-War-Britains-general-warns.html
Or have these articles passed you by? It was still June and July. But now there is a reaction. It's just that the reaction was not shown in connection with these articles. And as you can see, these are English media.

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get your facts right, pootin was the first one, who threatened
still can't get action and reaction right, don't you?
also i can read nothing about england wanting to declare war
not to mention russia made offensive threats and england said, they're ready to defend and then russia made even more offensive threats

you embarrassed yourself again, as i've already foreseen

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get your facts right, pootin was the first one, who threatened
still can't get action and reaction right, don't you?
also i can read nothing about england wanting to declare war
not to mention russia made offensive threats and england said, they're ready to defend and then russia makes even more offensive threats

Didn't read the article https://www.dailymail.co.uk Well, it's not difficult for me to put it here.

Britain's top army general has told his troops to prepare to fight and beat Putin's armies in a European land war, it has emerged tonight.
General Sir Patrick Sanders, who assumed overall command of the British Army this week, warned soldiers 'we are the generation that must prepare the Army to fight in Europe once again' as Russia's invasion of Ukraine rocks global stability.
In a tub-thumping message to British troops, he wrote: 'I am the first Chief of the General Staff since 1941 to take command of the Army in the shadow of a land war in Europe involving a continental power... The scale of the enduring threat from Russia shows we've entered a new era of insecurity.
'It is my singular duty to make our Army as lethal and effective as it can be. The time is now and the opportunity is ours to seize.'
It comes as Putin menaces NATO countries and this week taunted former Soviet states in Europe by declaring: 'They are part of historic Russia'.

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I can't read the first article as I don't have an account. I can read the other 2. (actually sky is american, not english).
But I can't find a single threat. Of course the British military is prepared to fight. Every NATO country is prepared to fight right now. There are probably a bunch of nuclear submarines right next to russia. But really, what do you expect? Putin invaded a European country, continuously threatens with nukes.
Are you saying NATO shouldn't take him seriously and should not prepare for the worst case scenario? Or should we just let him walk in? What sort of logic are you working with?
Besides, NATO is a defensive organization. We only blow Russia to pieces when a NATO country is attacked. Don't be so scared...

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he's making up things as usual, or misunderstood something, because of bad english skills
he was disproven and defeated, but wriggles like an eel to admit it

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I don't watch Russian new. I just try to keep an open mind when my government pushes war. Remember the Iraq war that had nothing to do with 9/11? The US also has a history of pushing coups in many other countries.

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I didn't agree with the Iraq war either. But the US didn't invade the Ukraine here, Russia did.

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I never said they didn't. Why did Russia invade though?

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we discussed this already earlier, vast resources of Ukraine, hate towards Ukraine (look up Holodomor), love of bullying little neighbours, like any imperialisitc state did 100 years ago

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Because Putin has a crazy soviet union complex? You tell me whats wrong with him... The whole world doesn't understand him. Or do you actually believe NATO wants to invade Russia and start a nuclear conflict?

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Keeping open mind means absolute shit, when people are dying needlessly. On par with sending thoughts and prayers.
Russia invaded Ukraine, started killing people, triggered energy crisis and food crisis in third world. Why? Who the fuck cares - stop the war and then you can analyze and discuss that.

You can discuss of course what you think was the reason and analyze the political background here. And I'm all for that - but I am starting to have a feeling you are trying to make russia not such a bad guy here. If this is what you want to hear - fuck USA and fuck each war they have started in middle east. For all I care Bush should hang for crimes he has committed. But that has zero to do with what putler is doing now in UA.

The war has to be stopped and that psycho brought to justice. End of story. Just because you say the situation is complicated doesnt magically mean people aren't dead and cities haven't been destroyed. None of that had to happen - whatever political games USA where pushing in the background, russia didn't need to invade a fucking country over that. This is major crisis for Europe.

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My issue is calling Putin "Putler". The same people saying that were saying the same about Trump. Was he Hitler too? If so you lose all credibility. As soon as you dismiss your enemy as just evil you lose sight that all human are capable of that. I am also not defending the war in any way. By keeping an open mind I mean being willing to take in information that may be contrary to the current pushed narrative. Remember to think for yourself and not just react how governments in the west are pushing you to feel.

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By keeping an open mind I mean being willing to take in information that may be contrary to the current pushed narrative. Remember to think for yourself and not just react how governments in the west are pushing you to feel.

saying you believe in conspiracy theories without saying you believe in conspiracy theories, well done you excelled in that

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Ehmmm...
No offense, but I am not capable of blowing up a hospital or killing kids or torturing or raping people. It is really not in me. I wouldn't be able to live with myself.
And in trumps case, he lied or spread misleading information 30573 over 4 years. I also won't be able to do that in an entire lifetime.
If you actually believe every human is capable of this kind of evil there is something seriously wrong with you...

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/30/russia-ukraine-war-kiev-conflict
Here just one story for you
Also some minor history of Ukraine
https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/11/how-the-u-s-has-empowered-and-armed-neo-nazis-in-ukraine/
You don't have to believe everything you read here but there are lots of sources linked.

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it's an opinion, which isn't an objective story in any way and that's why they are marked as such
cement tried that cheap trick once too (https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/3SEjeTn) and called it an addition to the discussion, when it wasn't, because the writer can distort and claim things how they like and you see it in other opinions of him:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/29/ukraine-fascists-oligarchs-eu-nato-expansion

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Most modern news articles are filled with opinions and not marked as such. I will not be able to provide a source good enough for you. I don't feel I should have to try and persuade you. I provided an alternate point of view. I'm sure you are smart enough to research this for yourself and learn the truth. That is if you want to.

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If you can't provide a good enough source, then maybe don't make false claims
not to mention you're trying to blurry the lines between objective news and subjective opinions and play factors down in the process, that's distortion

yeah right, alternative facts or point of view, how you call it, welcome to conspiracy theories land. "the truth" yeah lol

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I never read news articles with opinions. You might want to change your news source.
About those articles... It looks more like a tabloid article to be honest. That the west supported the revolution (not the coup). Of course we did. That doesn't mean we staged it...

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That doesn't mean we didn't either. And as far as news sources go I use Ground News primarily. I don't watch the news as I don't watch tv.

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"That doesn't mean we didn't either." is not an argument of course. I supported the revolution too, does that mean I staged it too?
If you read news sources with opinions in it I still suggest you switch news sources, preferably from a country with a high freedom of press.

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I think you missed the point here enormously.

Of course in military setting situation changes quit fast and new decisions need to be taken.
And while of course it's not surprising that putler issues a mobilization, it is quit ridiculous in the context of Ukraine war.

kremlin was with full confidence trying to propagate that nato and UA can't do anything, that russia is the superpower with second largest and most powerful army in the world. How they could take UA as fast as needed, that they are destroying UA soldiers, UA airforce and whatnot. And EU wouldn't even stand a chance.

Basically according to kremlins propaganda russia is unstoppable and everything is going by the plan. Hence no need for mobilization - they have the best military there after all. And here comes 7 months into war, horrible economical, political, diplomatic and militaristic losses and they do indeed issue mobilization. It is a sign nothing is going by plan and it is a wake up call for those who where fed kremlins propaganda that they are being lied to and people are dying senselessly. That's why it's also important to spread these facts - poke holes into what propagators are claiming.

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His press secretary though, Dmitry Peskov, said just a week ago: 'No, currently there are no plans for mobilization'.
https://rg.ru/2022/09/13/peskov-rech-o-mobilizacii-v-rossii-sejchas-ne-idet.html

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For how long did the Kremlin suggest that their "special operation is going according to their plan"?
Till late August? Few days before they triggered the mobilization? Or was the mobilization always part of the genius plan?

Fact is that Russians, be it its government or the Russians defending them, are lying 24/7, And even believing their own lies.

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everything is according to the plan, all the losses, dead russians, sunken ships, accidents and fires

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https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-marches-farther-into-liberated-lands-separatist-calls-urgent-referendum-2022-09-19/

Firstly - @Provos : Here, read an actual news article. No personal opinions, just stating what each side is saying. I do really suggest you to look into legitimate and normal news providers not some bullshit tabloids that only propagate opposing views for EVERYTHING

Secondly - Here it is, Russia is going forwards with the sham referendums. And interestingly - they are saying that due to very special circumstances they wont use traditional methods of voting electronically but will have paper ballots and they will go around the houses with a fucking box gathering write in ballots from people..... suuuuuuuuure that wont be faked.... we can totally trust the result here :)))))

Pathetic to the core. So transparent and pathetic.

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Doesn't matter. These lands were and will be Unrainian, no matter the amount of paper crap russia tries to pull.
They will be liberated, Ukraine will be free of the orc infestation.

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Let's hope so. It is a scary situation though. Of course Russia will win the sham referendum. When that happens Russia will see that part of Ukraine as part of Russia (of course the rest of the world wont).
When Ukraine will try to liberate them, Russia will see it as an attack on Russian soil which gives Russia a "reason" to use heavier weapons. It's Russian logic....

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Well, some of the Russian territories or that are considered as such by them, such as Crimea, already been under attacks per their own claim, so I don't necessarily think that this changes things much. There's an opinion that this might be attempted to be sold as victory of a kind to Putin's supporters but I'd agree that there's no logic in actions of Putin and his acolytes and we don't really know what will happen next

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What peterlol said.. This poses more threats regarding russias position on war...
They are actively looking for reasons to escalate the war... it would be brilliant for them if they could claim that evil UA nazis with support of horrible west is attacking free citizens of these regions who are part of russia... in their eyes at least.

I just hope its all just a bluff and putin is trying to scare everyone, but they dont have any capacity to actually take on full fledged war.

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It's a stupid gopnik bluff, like every russian threat so far. Poopoo is trying to scare Ukraine into submission, but that won't fly.

Also, west already claimed that no matter the results of the "referendums", the affected parts of Ukraine will still be perceived as Ukrainian territories (which leaves us the "go ahead" for destroying orcs there).

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Yeh its most likely is a bluff. And yeh the west and probably most/all other countries won't recognize the "referendum".
But Putin does still do it with a "plan". Either to tell the Russians "See! We freed them! They wanted this!" or to have an excuse to use more powerful weapons because "Ukraine is attacking Russian soil".
The guy is completely insane. He lost pretty much everything in the war and is even so desperate that he is now mobilizing noobs.

I also read some news articles today about the "referendum". Civilians are forced to sign it while a soldier is watching over their shoulder. Russian soldiers sign the "referendum" too. So it is pretty much going exactly how everybody expected. One big sham. But in Russia it will be praised as a win....

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Even russian people know this will be a fake referendum, this is all just a pathetic attempt to grab more land before Poopoo dies.
Yes, he might resort to using more powerful weaponry, but as of now, all he's doing is conscripting local population, mostly "non-ethnic-russian", into fighting Ukrainian forces. For example in Crimea they force indigenous tatar residents to mobilize - they are over 90% of new conscripts, despite being only about 40% of the population.
On russland side, Poopoo does the same - he's eradicating "trash minorities" (in his view, of course). the amount of buryats, tuvinians, and other "non-white" russians is about 6 times more than "purer" citizens from other regions.

russia is doing genocide not only on Ukrainian soil, but also on it's own.

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I would like to clarify the data source. Or is it Interfax-Ukraine?

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we already discussed this topic 10 pages before, but i did a quick google search:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/8/2/racist-federation-russias-minorities-complain-of-racism

i also remember to have seen a chart, which clearly showed, that the minorities die the most
something like this: https://ridl.io/who-is-dying-for-the-russian-world/

and here some recent article: https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/09/23/russia-partial-military-mobilization-ethnic-minorities/

you thought you were onto something? well no, Sherlock

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Articles https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/8/2/racist-federation-russias-minorities-complain-of-racism
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/09/23/russia-partial-military-mobilization-ethnic-minorities/

I understand, articles based on the "Yellow" press. Or did they not know that Alexandra Tsyrenovna had already escaped from the "Caucasus. Realities" (at the moment she lives in Prague) in connection with the fact that she admitted that "she is not ready to take responsibility for all the "yellow" content, fecal sketches on the fan and headlines like "Kadyrov's Kennel".
This is a little bit about her and the Buryats https://federalcity.ru/13534-aleksandra-garmazhapova-komu-sluzhit-svobodnaja-burjatija.html
And so the Free Buryatia Foundation is a subsidiary of Radio Liberty and is funded by a grant from the US Congress through the United States Agency for Global Media (USAGM) or did you not know it? The most relish is that Radio Liberty is banned from broadcasting in the USA itself.

i also remember to have seen a chart, which clearly showed, that the minorities die the most something like this: https://ridl.io/who-is-dying-for-the-russian-world/

About the fact that they can reach 20,000, and according to Ukraine, it is twice as much, and they immediately write about about 6000. Well, a little more than 6000 or at least 20,000, it's just 3 times different, if you don't take Ukraine's data about 40,000. And so, if an ethnic group consists of 100 people, then 1 dead person will be 1%, and if an ethnic group consists of 10,000, then only 100 will already give this 1%. If an ethnic group consists of 2 people, then the loss of 1 will already be 50%.

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do you have any proofs for defaming it as yellow press?
And even, if so, they would still tell more truth than russian state owned propaganda sources

Alexandra Tsyrenovna, who? and who even talked about her? and your article doesn't even touches the topic of minorities dies the most, which we talked about, can you stay on topic one frigging time? deflecting and inflating...
no one talked about Radio Liberty either, you're deflecting a lot lately, is it because you're lacking substantial arguments again?

About the fact that they can reach 20,000, and according to Ukraine, it is twice as much

did you considered that the article is from April?
and it was just an example, because i couldn't find the original chart i've seen
Edit: i think i found the original article https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/20/casualties_eng

and they immediately write about about 6000.

this number isn't featured in the article, they don't write about 6000 as you suggested
and your explanations about percentages doesn't add anything to the discussion, the chart shows losses per 100k population, percentages doesn't even come into play and aren't featured in the article

so the whole second part of your post is just useless information, so what was the purpose, deflecting and inflating?
aren't you even ashamed of yourself to get debunked and disproven on a daily basis?

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do you have any proofs for defaming it as yellow press?
And even, if so, they would still tell more truth than russian state owned propaganda sources

Persuaded, now there will be a "Yellow" press and we will also consider them as a source of information, not propaganda. If this is not the case, then it means the use of double standards, and this is already unilateral propaganda.

Alexandra Tsyrenovna, who?

Александра Цыреновна Гармажапова (Alexandra Tsyrenovna Garmazhapova) president of the Free Buryatia Foundation https://t.me/s/freeburyatiafoundation There was a conversation about her in articles about Buryats, and in that article I cited her struggle for the rights of Buryats. While they are not looking, there is a struggle, as soon as they put it on the first edge, then immediately into the bushes. It's very good to fight for rights from another country. In fact, if you fight, then from the place where the oppressed are, and not from the other end of the earth.

no one talked about Radio Liberty either, you're deflecting a lot lately, is it because you're lacking substantial arguments again?

My message indicates the degree of interaction. This is a subsidiary organization or a subsidiary structure. There is a large concern and it includes regional representative offices, that's exactly what was said about it. And the subsidiaries are completely subordinate to the main structure and promote its policies. These are not free media, but subordinate media.

did you considered that the article is from April?

This is a lie and you know it perfectly well. At the very beginning of the article it is indicated on September 23, 2022, 4:26 pm https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/09/23/russia-partial-military-mobilization-ethnic-minorities/ This data is taken from this article.

this number isn't featured in the article, they don't write about 6000 as you suggested

Again, lies, well, how is it possible, they themselves gave a link to the pack and did not read it.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/09/23/russia-partial-military-mobilization-ethnic-minorities/
Russian officials have been deeply secretive about their battlefield losses, which U.S. officials estimate could be as high as 20,000 deaths and which Ukrainian officials peg at more than twice that. Analysis by activist groups and the media have raised suspicions that ethnic minorities are dying at disproportionately high rates. The BBC’s Russian service examined reports of more than 6,000 confirmed battlefield losses and found that by the beginning of September, troops from Dagestan, Buryatia, and Krasnodar in southern Russia had lost the most soldiers—over 200 deaths from each region. By comparison, only 15 people from the Moscow region, which accounts for almost one-tenth of Russia’s population, had been killed in battle.

I immediately bring this piece, about which there is an argument.

and your explanations about percentages doesn't add anything to the discussion, the chart shows losses per 100k population, percentages doesn't even come into play and aren't featured in the article
so the whole second part of your post is just useless information, so what was the purpose, deflecting and inflating?

Well, take into account everything. If there is a calculation for 100 thousand, then how to take into account 20 thousand here. That's why I applied these percentages. And so in the Russian Federation there are ethnic groups living in just one aul( village), and another ethnic group lives in the neighboring aul (village). Here's how to add them to the schedule if there are actually 473 people? Or was it taken into account in this schedule?


corrected the name of the places of residence to a more correct one

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Persuaded, now there will be a "Yellow" press and we will also consider them as a source of information, not propaganda. If this is not the case, then it means the use of double standards, and this is already unilateral propaganda.

what the hell are you talking about? i asked about proof and you go full mumbo jumbo

There was a conversation about her in articles about Buryats

so you used this little mention to change the topic, as i already said, deflecting and inflating, others would call it even spam, a thing you were already suspended for and obviously learned nothing from

My message indicates the degree of interaction.

you must have read that degree wrong, not to mention your sentence doesn't even make sense, like all the other stuff you're talking about and using this thread as your personal blog again, i stated that no one talked about Radio Liberty except you and in the next post you're just going on with talking about a topic, no one is interested in and no one asked for

Again, lies, well, how is it possible, they themselves gave a link to the pack and did not read it.

maybe quote the proper link you're referring to then, you quoted https://ridl.io/who-is-dying-for-the-russian-world/ and not https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/09/23/russia-partial-military-mobilization-ethnic-minorities/ which you've quoted now

and it's not even contradicting as you suggested, 20k are estimated, 6k are from reports, don't you even get simple things like the difference of these both?

This is a lie and you know it perfectly well.

as i said above, maybe quote the proper article and don't call everything lies, when you failed at quoting the proper article

Well, take into account everything. If there is a calculation for 100 thousand, then how to take into account 20 thousand here.

what the hell are you talking about again, is this an automated bot response mumbo jumbo?
did you failed at understanding something again? It's not a calculation for 100k, it shows losses per 100k population, as already mentioned above
your percentages thing is just a lousy attempt to sow doubt and is easily to debunk

and my claims still stand true, you wrote that whole wall of text containing only useless information, which doesn't add anything, i see no point in inflating this further

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maybe quote the proper link you're referring to then, you quoted https://ridl.io/who-is-dying-for-the-russian-world/

I could not open it, and all the figures were taken from the article that I have just given.

and it's not even contradicting as you suggested, 20k are estimated, 6k are from reports, don't you even get simple things like the difference of these both?

Well, according to estimates, the losses of the Ukrainian army are 1,000,000 people now. Indirect losses of 5,500,000 people. Let it not converge with reality at all, but these are assumptions and estimates.

as i said above, maybe quote the proper article and don't call everything lies, when you failed at quoting the proper article

https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/9I0H55s all this is already indicated here. It is not necessary to resist what has been refuted, it is necessary to accept it or were these not your words? https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/VaWvECo

It's not a calculation for 100k, it shows losses per 100k population, as already mentioned above
your percentages thing is just a lousy attempt to sow doubt and is easily to debunk

Well, how to count losses per 100 thousand of the population of an ethnic group, if there are only 20 thousand of them. That's how to count here. If we take and make a sample in increments of 100 thousand, then not everything can be calculated. I gave examples. That's why the percentages were indicated.


I propose to end the discussions not on the topic of losses. The conversation can be conducted with numbers, not assumptions. Here is my version of the assumptions and that it is worth launching it into the network. After that, everyone will already discuss it, and some will also increase it.

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Well, according to estimates, the losses of the Ukrainian army are 1,000,000 people now. Indirect losses of 5,500,000 people. Let it not converge with reality at all, but these are assumptions and estimates.

and this adds what to the discussion? deflecting and inflating again, no one talked about this
did you got 20 extra rubles for mentioning it?

Here is my version of the assumptions and that it is worth launching it into the network.

you're disproven on a daily basis and still think your crap is worth anything?
you're changing the topics to talk about things no one talked or asked about and still think anyone would be interested in?
someone would call this severe loss of reality

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Just so you are aware Ground News is a new aggregator. Reuters is included in it. Also in that article Reuters mentions several times they cannot verify the information provided.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/22/ukraine-russia-prisoner-swap-azovstal-mariupol
https://nra.lv/pasaule/392461-azoviesi-stasta-par-120-gusta-pavaditajam-dienam.htm <-- about torture, you might need a translator for this site. Original source seems to be UNIAN

among all other stuff going on I don't think I noticed this mentioned here - there was prisoner swap and russia let go 215 captives of which 108 are from azov. The trade was done by giving medvedchuk and 55 soldiers over to russians.

Interestingly - there are already reports being gathered from captives which state that russians tortured and kept them in unlivable conditions. some of them where held in isolation for almost the whole period from May when they surrendered. Many have been tortured quit severely, they haven't had enough water and food to sustain themselves. And no possibilities to properly take care of their hygiene.

Considering they can't even take care of their own soldiers, it wouldn't surprise me that war captives have deplorable conditions to live in. And seeing how putler is trying to dehumanize Ukrainians and azov, torture seems right at place with morality of your average russian soldier there. Although keep in mind - lets wait for actual investigation into it. Might be propaganda from UA side to sway more support towards them. But that would be stupid to lie about something like torture as that is easily proven or disproven.

Also interesting food for thought - Petrushev seems to be the one who was coordinating the release of azov fighters in discussions. He also has visited Blinken in USA apparently and there are speculations that he has spearheaded putins decision to attack Ukraine with insufficient intel in order to use the war as grounds of initiating change of power within kremlin. IF these talks prove to be true we might see some developments in kremlin in coming time. Also it was speculated why putin had to post pone his speech for the next day to declare mobilization. Information is circling around that after the defeat against UA counteroffensive and China outright refusing to help he was almost ready to declare full fledged war against Ukraine and actually pull out nuclear weapons. But with political games going on inside Kremlin itself, its hard to know what actually happened. It is still chilling to think we might just have narrowly avoided an actual nuclear war.

Btw just a disclaimer - these are not official statements and even less something grounded on hard proofs (thats kind of why they are in a comment not in some news site .............), but these do come from different political sources within Russia, UA, USA and EU countries. A lot are speculations, a lot are just opinions. But I did want to share it with you guys so at least everyone gets an insight. Keep an open mind and don't take this as absolute truth. There are still a lot of unknowns..... Seems weird I have to point it out, but figured I better do seeing how discussions tend to be go in this thread :)

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Scary words. Luckily Putin can't just push a red button all by himself. But a nuclear threat hasn't been this nearby since WWII, so we shouldn't take it lightly either with this crazy person.
I have no doubt about it that prisoners of war have been tortured. They also tortured, raped and killed innocent civilians. I don't even want to know what they have done to captured military.

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Photos of Mykhailo Dianov, Marine and defender of "Azovstal", has been released from captivity.
He was already injured in his right arm, but after the inhumane conditions of Russian captivity, he is now missing 4 cm of bone in his arm. And obviously he looks malnourished.

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oh damn :S

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damn, reminds me of pictures from concentration camps inmates

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https://media.zenfs.com/en/ukrayinska_pravda_articles_451/5f02d4f17c884358dc8e779c5fadec28
from this article https://www.yahoo.com/news/piece-metal-pulled-arm-rusty-135746121.html
As you can understand, the arm is bandaged with a bandage and a splint is applied. And the next photo showing him with his hand just shows that the hand was saved, which is why he demonstrates it. He is just glad that the arm was saved, but it will not be fully functional, but at the same time it is there and it will be a help in work, not a disability.
And so the arm bone was crushed (4 cm was gone) and bullet wounds in the legs.

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You forgot to mention how thankful he is that the Russians barely fed him because starvation was an important factor in the healing process.
/s for those who couldn't tell

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Wow...
So you actually think he is glad he got invaded, injured, captured, underfed and bad medical care. You think he should thank the Russians?
He needs an operation but can't have it yet because he is severely underfed. AND YOU THINK HE IS GLAD?!?!?!
The only thing he is glad about is that he has been released from those monsters.
How can a person possibly be this twisted in the head to think this is a happy situation? There is something seriously wrong with you.

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underfed and bad medical care.

You won't believe it, but the reality is that without medical help, he wouldn't have had a hand, it was simply amputated, and they didn't save it. So this photo, oddly enough, but shows that medical care was.
Amputating is always easier than trying to save something.

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i think the picture with the metal splint was taken in Azovstal, so he got medical help from his fellow troop mates, nothing indicates that he got any help from russians, only in removing the splint maybe and which can be called almost none medical help

you're just mumbo jumboing again

i already had 2 splints myself, after they were done, i didn't need additional medical help, they were removed after some weeks and everything was fine

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i think the picture with the metal splint was taken in Azovstal, so he got medical help from his fellow troop mates, nothing indicates that he got any help from russians, only in removing the splint maybe and which can be called almost none medical help

Have you forgotten about the bullet wounds, as well as about the fact that the bone was crushed or did it pass by? There is a fracture, there are enough splints, and there is bone fragmentation, and here there may be treatment (if doctors go for it and it will be of use), or maybe amputation (a toe (little finger) with splinter bone fragmentation is very often amputated).
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/22252-comminuted-fracture here about fragmentary fractures (only tex). https://www.medhealthdaily.com/comminuted-fracture/ (There are a couple of pictures here, but without blood.) These are some of the most dangerous fractures.

i already had 2 splints myself, after they were done, i didn't need additional medical help, they were removed after some weeks and everything was fine

It happens with a fracture (a crack is also a fracture category), there is enough fixing bandage, and a splint is used in case of possible mobility of the limb, which is being cured. BUT this is all at the discretion of the DOCTOR. That's how he decides, then so be it.


link to a resource about fractures.

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You are seriously next level fucked up in the head....
Lets say someone breaks all your arms and legs, Pokes out your eyes. You are hopeless. Will you thank him for not killing you? First ruining someones life with injuries, then being proud of "Hey! We could have done even worse!"
What the flying fuck is wrong with you and why arent you banned yet?
You are sick as fuck. And yes, I am calling you out against the rules.. Cement is a sociopath idiot sicko. Fuck, you have issues.... True evil....

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Little bit evil but good.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3l2eXckWos
Tears and hugs as Russia begins troop mobilization for Ukraine fight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s136Dei3Sx8
Mobilization, annexation and nuclear weapons

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Russian idea of democracy was already a complete joke before they were thinking to hold a referendum in the middle of a military conflict, and it can even get worse in the future if they do not react to protect their freedom.

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Oh no, they recruit the veteran warriors.

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The Russian government said they would not draft students, but they were drafted (in the name of sending them to the front lines if they demonstrated, regardless of what they were actually doing).

It seems that they were forcibly drafted from the game to reality.
By the way, how many years does it take to respawn when they die?👼<One Life
Will the Russian team be the next to set up a respawn like this?
mp_randomspawn 2

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Haha
Interested to see if the trend continues in the next few days.
Might be on to something then.

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Rajavartiolaitos on Twitter: "An updated version of the chart we published earlier today. Exits of Russian citizens via land border have been added. Incoming traffic is now greater than outgoing traffic. Some of the arrivals return to Russia, some also travel onward to other countries. #finnishborder " / Twitter
https://twitter.com/rajavartijat/status/1573264124263415808


Rajavartiolaitos on Twitter: "Incorrect or misleading infomation that has been taken out of the context is circulating on social media. Use only reliable and verified sources to share information. " / Twitter
https://twitter.com/rajavartijat/status/1573306106490781698


Rajavartiolaitos on Twitter: "An overview of Friday's border traffic. We will continue to inform you throughout the weekend. ⬇️" / Twitter
https://twitter.com/rajavartijat/status/1573380029589102592


This will be at the Finland border.
There seems to be a lot of suspicious information in Russia, perhaps to prevent people from fleeing the country.
For this reason, the Finland border side of Twitter has issued a warning.
Это будет на границе с Финляндией.
Похоже, в России очень много подозрительной информации, возможно, для того, чтобы люди не могли бежать из страны.
По этой причине пограничная сторона Финляндии выпустила предупреждение.

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Flightradar24 on Twitter: "Flights departing Moscow and St. Petersburg today. The @AP is reporting international flights departing Russia have either sold out or skyrocketed in price after Putin announced a mobilization of reservists. Search SVO, VKO, DME for Moscow airports and LED for St. Petersburg. " / Twitter
https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/1572630639655927815


📹
When the mobilization was announced in Russia.
This is the sky pattern in Moscow.
Some have successfully left the country, while others probably have not.🤔

Когда в России была объявлена мобилизация.
Вот такая картина неба в Москве.
Одни успешно покинули страну, а другие, видимо, нет.🤔

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Signs of torture, mutilation on bodies at Izium mass burial site: Ukraine officials

CNN — Ukrainian officials say they have finished exhuming bodies from a mass burial site in Izium – and that of the 436 bodies found, 30 showed signs of torture.
“There are bodies with a rope around the neck, with hands tied, with broken limbs and with gunshot wounds. Several men had their genitals amputated,” Syniehubov said in a Telegram post on Friday.
(Of the 436 bodies found,) Syniehubov added that most of the bodies were civilians and only 21 were military.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCCZ-LXA-Nw
Russian journalist says Putin knows he's losing

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Those guns looks like they came straight from a Syrian desert.

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Useful tips for Russian soldiers (relatives can also call) - TO SURRENDER call +38 066 580 34 98 and +38 093 119 29 84 - On Telegram, https://t.me/s/hochu_zhyt
GUARANTEES:
✔ compliance with the standards of the Geneva Conventions for the treatment of prisoners of war;
✔ Three meals a day;
✔ medical service;
✔ legal support from international organizations;
✔ regular communication with relatives;
✔ the priority opportunity to exchange for servicemen of the Ukrainian Armed Forces held captive by the Russian Federation.

All those who voluntarily surrender will be issued as captured in battle. This will keep all payments and benefits due to Russian military personnel and protect against possible persecution.

➡ You need to register in the chatbot with certain information about yourself. You can find the chat bot in Telegram: the name is “I WANT TO LIVE”, bot https://t.me/spasisebyabot
➡ If this is inconvenient for you, you can leave all the information about the mobilized person to our operator by phone.
➡ When you find yourself on the territory of Ukraine, you need to contact us at the numbers indicated above and surrender. We will provide you with a safe exit.

If you are forced to participate in a senseless war against Ukraine, call these numbers to surrender: +38 066 580 34 98 or +38 093 119 29 84. You will be a prisoner of war and will receive good conditions and food.
For your commanders, you are not a man with dreams and a future, but cannon fodder. Save these numbers for yourself or your loved ones. You can call at any time!
(Same thing in Russian)
Если вас заставляют участвовать в бессмысленной войне против Украины, звоните по этим номерам, чтобы сдаться: +38 066 580 34 98 или +38 093 119 29 84. Вы будете военнопленным, и получите хорошие условия и еду.
Для ваших командиров вы - не человек с мечтами и будущим, а пушечное мясо. Сохраните эти номера для себя или своих близких. Звонить можно в любое время!

Seems legit according to these sources:
State site of Ukraine - https://gur.gov.ua/content/zapushcheno-iedynyi-tsentr-ta-tsilodobovu-hariachu-liniiu-pryiomu-zvernen-vid-rosiiskykh-viiskovykh.html
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/xmh9i2/to_surrender_call_38_066_580_34_98_and_38_093_119/

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I think it is good information.

The Russian government is going to sentence citizens who evade the draft to 10 years in prison. (I guess they will catch them and send them from jail to the front lines to be killed. It is said that the draft evaders are being annihilated from the prisons.)


Russian lawmakers toughen punishment for soldiers - The Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/russian-lawmakers-toughen-punishment-for-soldiers/2022/09/20/596650fe-38d8-11ed-b8af-0a04e5dc3db6_story.html


It is said that Ukrainian nationals are stripped of their Ukrainian citizenship in areas occupied by Russia, which were originally Ukraine's territory, and are now forced to stand on the front lines as Russian nationals.
People treated as having dual Russian citizenship are also drafted as Russians.


Embassy Warns Kyrgyz Nationals With Dual Citizenship They're Considered Russians While In Russia
https://www.rferl.org/a/kyrgyz-nationals-russian-citizens-ukraine-mobilization/32048314.html


Russian citizens should not think that it is "unimportant" but should write down the phone number in an "unknown place".
It will be a lifeline in case of emergency.🤔

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some insights how bad the mobilization is actually running:
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-23

Russian pro-war milbloggers and social media users are raising concerns about unlawful mobilization practices and showcasing many serious Russian mobilization problems on the second day of the mobilization effort.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-putin-mobilization-classroom-buryatia-1745712
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/poor-rural-buryatia-russias-partial-mobilisation-hits-hard-2022-09-23/

Buryat rights activists suspect that the burden of the mobilisation - and the war itself - is falling on poor, ethnic minority regions to avoid triggering popular anger in the capital Moscow, which is 6,000 km (3,700 miles) away.

Ukraininan offensive making advances to encircle Lyman:
https://kyivindependent.com/uncategorized/uk-intelligence-ukraines-military-assault-lyman-secure-bridgeheads-on-east-bank-of-oskil

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https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-23

https://understandingwar.org/press-media/staff-bios/kateryna-stepanenko Kateryna Stepanenko is a Russia Researcher on the Russia and Ukraine portfolio at the Institute for the Study of War. Natively from Kyiv, she focused her academic and professional career on investigating the implications of Russian hybrid and disinformation warfare on Ukraine and conflict resolution in Eurasia. Kateryna received a B.A. in International Affairs from the George Washington University’s Elliott School of International Affairs where she concentrated in Europe and Eurasian affairs.One of the authors of this article. The mobilization in Russia from Kiev is very clearly visible. Maybe I should write an article about mobilization in Portugal, so what if I'm not there, you can write an article.


https://ptoday.ru/novosti-i-sobytiya/chastichnaya-mobilizatsiya-v-rossii-rezervisty-poluchayut-povestki-svezhie-novosti-na-segodnya-25-sentyabrya/
https://iz.ru/1399634/olesia-ternopolskaia/chastichnaia-mobilizatciia-v-rf-v-2022-godu-voprosy-i-otvety
https://bloknot.ru/yanovost-chasa/tri-dnya-ot-prizy-va-s-kakimi-problemami-stolknulas-chastichnaya-mobilizatsiya-v-rossii-989495.html
Yes, in Russian. But there in the form of questions and answers. Who, and for what reason and how. Moreover, those positions or types of citizens who will not be called up are also indicated here (they receive a reservation).
And as noted in the article, there are no electronic subpoenas and there were none. It is not necessary for Ukrainian bloggers to send this bullshit through telegrams and further, it has no legal force, and it was said on all TV channels.
https://news.sarbc.ru/main/2022/09/25/278686.html
https://www.kommersant.ru/gallery/5581086
https://www.forbes.ru/society/478033-matvienko-potrebovala-ot-gubernatorov-isklucit-peregiby-v-mobilizacii
https://t.me/valentinamatvienko/48 Валентина Матвиенко (Valentina Matvienko) Chairman of the Federation Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation.
https://www.mk.ru/social/2022/09/24/glava-spch-fadeev-poprosil-shoygu-isklyuchit-formalnyy-podkhod-k-mobilizacii.html
We know about the excesses, now the caps will fly from the heads of military enlistment offices who allowed it.


And here's my question, why is everyone running around with this Buryatia. Or do Chechens or Lezgins prefer not to notice, otherwise they will come and kick their ass with a belt, and the Buryats are far away and they can be touched?

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The mobilization in Russia from Kiev is very clearly visible. Maybe I should write an article about mobilization in Portugal, so what if I'm not there, you can write an article.

the same lame arguments, you fail to acknowledge that these people are experts in their field and their assesments can be called an expertise, quite contrary to you writing something about Portugal
and if you would dig deeper into the topic, you would find a vast amount of proofs
even pro-russian military bloggers raising concerns
just another troll sowing doubt moment
and then links from propaganda sources?

And here's my question, why is everyone running around with this Buryatia.

the answer can be found in the Reuters article itself:

According to publicly available data on military casualties compiled by Russian investigative outlet iStories, Buryatia and the North Caucasus region of Dagestan, both of which are poorer than average and have large non-ethnic Russian populations, have suffered the highest casualty rates since the Kremlin ordered troops into Ukraine on Feb. 24, with 259 and 277 dead soldiers respectively.
Moscow has suffered only 10 deaths, according to iStories.

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the same lame arguments, you fail to acknowledge that these people are experts in their field and their assesments can be called an expertise, quite contrary to you writing something about Portugal

If you didn't want to read it, then it's your right. It's just not necessary to refer to experts from another country for another country. Here in this case it is presented. An expert on Russia from Ukraine. And this expert writes from Kiev, which is located in Ukraine. This can be called an expert assessment, this is a maximum sample from the viewed material with very large filters on this material.It's just that if their grades pass for examination, then my grades will also have to be recognized exactly the same or double standards again.

and if you would dig deeper into the topic, you would find a vast amount of proofs

Apparently they didn't follow the links. There it is even more written with the indication of even examples. But this is propaganda and you can't believe it (these are your words).

even pro-russian military bloggers raising concerns

Military bloggers are those who are among the military, not those who make content in the city and did not even think to go, do not confuse this. And these ones just make content on this topic, but they are not military.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War
Regarding Reuters. 259 and 277 in total give 536 people. Out of 5937 (6476 according to the BBC), as you can see, this is one tenth of the losses, then why don't we talk about the rest? Apparently, this is exactly the same as with the export of Ukrainian grain, but if not, there will be famine. It is significant that the first ship with a cargo of corn stood in the port, where it arrived for another 4 days and only then left for another port in connection with finding a buyer.

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And this expert writes from Kiev, which is located in Ukraine.

u don't say

It's just that if their grades pass for examination, then my grades will also have to be recognized exactly the same or double standards again.

cut it, you're talking bullshit again

But this is propaganda and you can't believe it (these are your words).

a question mark indicates that for you? you seem a bit lost, don't you?

as you can see, this is one tenth of the losses, then why don't we talk about the rest?

i provided a better link, didn't you saw it? https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/20/casualties_eng

Most of those killed in action come from the so-called ‘ethnic republics’, with Dagestan and Buryatia leading the way.
Moscow and Saint Petersburg representing over 12% of the country’s population are almost never mentioned in those reports.

my initial link was only an example, but luckily i found the much better link again, which i was talking about

this is exactly the same as with the export of Ukrainian grain

switching topic again

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u don't say

https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/GCLxDGs I pointed it out from the very beginning. A link to the journalist and her short description. There it is written about living in Kiev.

cut it, you're talking bullshit again

No, either full acceptance or not accepted. You can not be called an expert and does not spin in the area where he called himself an expert. Or it is impossible to make a complete conclusion if you do not take into account everything, and then you need to have access to all the information, and not make it on the part of the sources.

a question mark indicates that for you? you're a bit lost, aren't you?

So we came to the conclusion that in these sources there are regions where violations have occurred, there is also an indication that these violations should not be allowed and in some cases the administration is already making an answer that it is being corrected. But bloggers naturally did not say about it, it will be a plus for the administration, and you can't sell it as media content.

i provided a better link, didn't you saw it?

No, that's what I wrote about earlier. https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/iHyKfiD Not everyone has access to everything, and the VPN cannot be paid at the current time, due to the fact that European banks do not want to take money from me.

my initial link was only an example, but luckily i found the much better link again, which i was talking about

But they did not give the numbers, although they talked about it. (slightly higher). And why then don't they mention the Lezgins? If you don't know, then Lezgins are just living in Dagestan, due to the fact that the area is called Dagestan, but Lezgins live.

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So we came to the conclusion

did we? i asked a question and you're instantly make conclusions out of it?

No, that's what I wrote about earlier.

you have to be more clear, what you can't see and shouldn't be quoting the wrong links again
at least i quoted some vital passages for you

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I understand your desire to turn this discussion into spam in order to file a complaint later, and that's where my questions begin.
And how does this relate to partial mobilization?

did we? i asked a question and you're instantly make conclusions out of it?

Pulling out a piece is your favorite, in fact it is necessary to give a full quote (if it is very long, then the first 4-5 words after 3 dots and the last 3 words), due to the fact that in this case it turns out a quote torn out of context, which can be rotated as you like.

you have to be more clear, what you can't see and don't have to be quoting false links again

I have only given the links that I have seen and read. Or did they not walk on them? Due to the fact that I could not visit the resource that you indicated, I do not use their data, but use only what you wrote.

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And how does this relate to partial mobilization?

i asked this myself, after you began speaking about grain

I have only given the links that I have seen and read.

you don't seem to understand, you gave a quote with a link and write under it, that you can't see it and then claim, you can't see another link or is it, that you can't see a lot of links, because of censory in full swing?

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i asked this myself, after you began speaking about grain

In this link https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/Gyp0e8L there is not a word about this, which is why the question was asked.

you don't seem to understand, you gave a quote with a link and write under it, that you can't see it and then claim, you can't see another link or is it, that you can't see a lot of links, because of censory in full swing?

Except for this link https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/20/casualties_eng and this one https://ridl.io/who-is-dying-for-the-russian-world / the rest have been read. But at the same moment I gave 10 links. But I still don't know if you've read them.
Or why they are silent about the Tuvans, and this nationality also serves in the armed forces of the Russian Federation. And there are 250 thousand of them in total.

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you're providing wrong links again and can't even remember that you started talking about grain out of the blue?

okay, so you can't see any charts, now i understand, why you're talking so confidently about percentages and all that stuff, you should be more cautious talking about things you haven't the full picture of, because it would let you shine not in the brightest light
and i also understand now, why it often looks like you're talking mumbo jumbo

And there are 250 thousand of them in total.

the total doesn't even matter, as i explained earlier
i can see from the charts, that tuvan losses are almost as high as buryatian losses, so no one is silent about them

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you're providing wrong links again and can't even remember that you started talking about grain out of the blue?

About grain, it was pointed out how important it is to take into account not volumes, but percentages. Sometimes volumes don't mean anything, but percentages are important. Moreover, the percentages are not by country, but by a specific country from the world market.

the total doesn't even matter, as i explained earlier
i can see from the charts, that tuvan losses are almost as high as buryatian losses, so no one is silent about them

Percentages matter. For some reason, I noticed about it. As I read from your messages, we took a number for 100 thousand, but at the same time as I showed, the percentage will be completely different, even with the same losses.
About the Tuvans. They will be silent about them, unless they want problems. Sergei Kuzhugetovich Shoigu will be very interested, and who is on his side, apparently they can be involved in service, and not necessarily in the ranks of the armed forces.

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About grain, it was pointed out how important it is to take into account not volumes, but percentages.

now you're making up things again, you haven't talked about this, but instead talked about a cargo ship, who stood in the port for 4 days, i'll think i have to report this, because you're going full off-topic now, deflecting and inflating

Sometimes volumes don't mean anything

and sometimes they do, what's your point? you're comparing deaths with grain exports now, even not being able to see those charts.
You're talking very confidently about things you have no clue about, go on embarrass you any further

Percentages matter. For some reason, I noticed about it.

interesting, can you back up your claims and give examples, how they would matter in the case of russian minority ethnicies dies the most in this war? beware, you could embarrass yourself again, because you're not being able to see the charts we're talking about, so i have a lot more information on hand and can disprove you easily again

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we're talking about, so i have a lot more information on hand

You don't have it, or we use British intelligence data, so there it doesn't converge with BBC data or with Ukrainian data. You have only what we decided to show you. If they think about losses of more than 10,000, then you can throw them out, they are not true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War

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it's like a kid stomping with the foot on the ground facing the facts, "no you don't" this one made me laugh

and i warned you, so here we go

Even, if you haven't the proper information at hand, how the numbers were collected, because you can't see the link, you instantly assume they come from British intelligence, which is btw a wrong assumption and shows again that you have no clue what you're talking about, deflecting and inflating in the process

If they think about losses of more than 10,000, then you can throw them out, they are not true.

cut it, you're talking BS and embarrass yourself again, why can't they be true, only because you say so and they couldn't be documented by now? ever heard of unreported cases, which are sometimes way more higher than official numbers?
but you're slightly deflecting again, to the total number of losses this time and their legitimacy, which wasn't a thing we talked about, is it, because you can't argue about our initial topic, how ethnical minorities dies the most, so you sowing doubt at just another thing?
the heck, i just saw this wasn't even the initial topic and you successfully shifted it
you also threw a decoy, because you wasn't able to back up your claims about how percentages matter

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time will tell, if these are just temporarily issues, like cement tried to convince us, or if these problems will persist
taking into account all the incapabilities of the russian army, i believe the last

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Protests in Russian Dagestan region against new draft

Dozens of videos posted to social media showed protesters confronting police and other security officials [...]

Lone policeman chased by women
Women protesting
Shoots in the air to intimidate protesters
Rare moment in Russia - Protestors defend each other against the cops


[VIDEO] Protest in Russia - A woman in a wheelchair with a prosthetic leg held a sign saying: "Do you want to be like me?"
Fun fact, a lot of Russian cops gather around her, wondering what to do.

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How ironic, rather than Ukraine, it is Russia under threat of being dismembered from its territories. No NATO involved, the Kremlin started the fire on its own.

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people seem to wake up and realize who's the real villian here, after russia committing genocide to them

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https://www.la.lv/video-irkutskas-apgabala-sasauts-kara-komisars-komisariata-sakas-panika

A video of a recruitment officer getting shot by a draftee and everyone fleeing from the recruitment "center". From what is reported - the officer died and the shooter has been arrested.

But the point is - the dissent is growing. And it would be funny if it wouldn't be this sad. The whole world wanted to influence the regular Russian citizens to see what's going on in Ukraine and what their dictator is doing. But kremlins propaganda was strong. West and Ukrainians where dehumanized, everyone was told how evil west wants to destroy Russia and Russians. They where pouring enormous amounts of dedication into keeping the citizens in dark.

And that moron within one speech absolutely wrecks everything his lies tried to build up - the whole country is up in arms and realizes that shit is going down. putler himself dug his own grave and made people realize that they live under dictatorship. There are more and more reports of regular people being drafted, meaning that the speech was absolute BS - firstly the number is still secret. The 300k was just a ballfigure shoigu had to say while retaining the actual planned number of mobilized troops a secret. And military background? Bullshit as well. Many reports already of random people getting the draft papers.

Just this morning I saw a video where new conscripts where already arguing and fighting on a plane being taken to war. Imagine what will happen when these poor sods will receive old ass guns from last century. If the guns will work at all it's going to be an absolute shitshow. putlr has effectively turned many people against him and is going to arm them now. Lets hope his degeneracy will be his own demise.

And just a comment about putler - in the last weeks he has actually taken over a lot of decision making. He is denying requests from generals on the ground as well - in Kherson the army wants to retreat as they are foreseeing a similar fate as previously. From one point of view - unprepared and unmotivated army will only make it easier for UA to take back the land and cause huge losses .. again ... but thena gain - I do feel sorry for the troops on the ground. For the most part they are people sent to frontlines by lunatic dictator. Literally never has dictator controlling an army from bunker been successful. This is just a long ass downwards spiral for Russia and it's dictator - the question is how many innocents will die before it plummets to the ground and burns up like a pile of shit that putler has turned the country into.

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Russia: man shoots commander drafting residents for war in Ukraine | Russia | The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/26/russia-man-shoots-commander-drafting-residents-for-war-in-ukraine


It seems that the Russian government's bosses are increasingly risking their lives when they open their mouths with the draft.
Will Putin, not the Czar, be missing in the Third Russian Revolution?🤔

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The Russian army should add a sign in front of the mobilization buildings, "Do not come here if you plan to fight against the fascists".

The mobilized are already learning to 'regroup' far away. https://twitter.com/revishvilig/status/1574270838811009024


CNN - More than 2,350 detained across Russia since partial mobilization announcement, independent monitoring group says (from Sept. 21 to Sept. 25 but the number of those detained may be higher)

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Also:
Russian security services count more than 260,000 men fleeing Russia
meduza

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https://www.la.lv/video-viens-no-mobilizetajiem-krievijas-iedzivotajiem-parada-kados-apstaklos-viniem-jamitinas

in the article we can see a video of what they are fleeing from. anyone with half a brain would run. Video shows view of the barracks the conscripts have to live in and at the end of the video the person goes out to show such "shacks" have been built up all around.

While of course war time is no walk in the park, this is beyond sad. I can only guess but the person in first seconds sleeping like a dead guy is probably drunk out of his mind.

Every video and picture from the war on Russian side is like looking in history books from previous century.

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Found on Reddit photos of a train loaded with Russian trucks, because the trucks looked like garbage on wheels, the Mod had to lock the post because of the "NO LOW EFFORT POSTS" rule. That says something. Those trucks really suck.

View attached image.
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https://youtu.be/zlmr29Jm7g0?t=294

i found this footage earlier, but decided first to not post it, because it looks somewhat staged and i can't believe the situation is that bad, but on the other side russian trolls post whatever BS they can get their hands on without questioning the source or the footage, so i can do just the same and everyone can form his own opinion

he also have some other snippets in his video, so it's probably worth watching anything

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after the latest nuclear threat of russia against the U.S., the EU and Britain and after the latest interview of "Dog" Lavrov at the U.N yesterday, we should go full force as NATO into Ukraine and push these dogs back.
Russia is gone and wont be coming back as long as Puto holds on to Power

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‘Blame the West and scapegoat the commissars’ The Kremlin’s latest propaganda guide (mobilization edition)

The document emphasizes that Russia has only won past wars when “everyone” in the country has contributed — and only when the people have believed the country is fighting a “people’s war.” Thus, the authors conclude, the media’s current task should be to convince Russians of one main idea: that “the people of Russia must unite against the NATO threat.” According to the Kremlin, the alliance is set on “dismembering and ransacking” Russia.

meduza

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Really worth reading.
Thus, the indignation of Russian propagandists against some mobilization errors is a decoy, who divert discontent towards the military commissars rather than the Kremlin.
The fake indignation of Russian propagandists against certain cases is also 'the tree that hides the forest' of the massive illegal mobilization of non-reservists.
I can't wait to see the Kremlin run out of scapegoats.

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According to the Kremlin, the alliance is set on “dismembering and ransacking” Russia.

Wow. Honestly, I think that if the Soviet Union had had social media and the internet for its propaganda, they probably would still be standing today.
The number of people willingly believing the lie because the truth scares them is off the charts.

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The soviet union actually held up so long due to the simple reason of there not being an internet or access to the outside world. I don't know where you are from, but people who actually lived in Soviet Union very well remember the constant fear mongering of how evil USA has only one thing in mind - to destroy soviet values un its citizens. No one could understand where such hatred comes from and thought that USA truly is the evil power wanting to destroy the world and nuke the poor soviet citizens without any other reason but hatred towards them.

Putin is of course doing the same thing now - going by the book of how Soviet Union worked. Fearmongering and trying to portray everyone else as villain. But people are not buying this anymore and even Russians themselves are finally waking up. So I'd say its the other way around. Imagine how well had this war worked out if people wouldn't be able to actually see the situation from other points of views.

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I must admit that while it's frightening to see the power of indoctrination the internet can sometimes have on weak minded people, it's definitely a tool for change in a lot of cases.
If it wasn't, dictatorships like China or Korea wouldn't have such a tight grip on it. Look at what's happening in Iran.

Fearmongering, sadly, is a tactics used by many countries, and oftentimes on both sides of an argument.

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September 11-Update-Ukraine Grabs Russian Big Kahuna
https://anotherpointofview.quora.com/September-11-Update-Ukraine-Grabs-Russian-Big-Kahuna-Reports-have-come-out-that-Ukraine-has-captured-the-commander-of-R
(Sorry if this was posted already didn't read through the whole discussion)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La9zDXu7VlE
Gunman opens fire at Russian draft office amid backlash to Putin's military mobilisation

Heard from other reports that the protests in the far East of Russia are quite severe with people fighting.
Nothing confirmed by media yet.

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https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/CW0aPuT
you may add it in this branch, where the video was already posted twice

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Oops must have missed it.

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One thing is certain, the more incidents of mobilization, the better.

Arson Attacks on Enlistment Offices Spike After Putin Starts Mobilization
Putin’s Top Cheerleaders Panic Over Russian Army ‘Mutiny’
( see also: https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/LeJfbaP )
Russian propagandists may try to divert discontent towards the military commissars, but in the end this will not spare the Kremlin.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/russias-former-president-said-nuclear-112901273.html

"...And if Russia did strike Ukraine with a nuclear weapon, NATO member states will put their own security ahead of protecting "a dying Ukraine that no one needs," Medvedev said.

I mean sure - he has been talking like a lunatic constantly, but to be honest I'm starting to have a feeling he truly is even more psychotic then putler. And as I've said previously - each time this moron opens his mouth it's more and more dumber then previously possible. The sheer fact that such a condescending and aggressive degenerate for security council chief is horrifying. I do hope he un putler both will meet a fate fitting of them.

And I have a feeling they truly are afraid of what USA would do due to the fact they usually calm down and forget nuclear bluffs after USA has talks with them. This time after the mobilization USA has in detail provided info on what they will do if russia strikes UA. Somehow silence from them now (if we don't count medvedev.... but he is hardly someone worth listening to IMO. Apart from having a laugh each time he has a tantrum)

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