Blue Green and all variant are more than 2 color or the same color in a lot of culture :)
Like the white for the inuit have a lot of distinct name ;)
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There are better articles about this. The ancient Greek weren't the only ones not knowing blue, the word didn't exist in any language but Egyptian.
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Brain Games had a couple episodes about color. I think it was the second season where they show that women can see more shades of a color than men. If you want to examine how the mind interprets things, Brain Games is a great TV series. Its actually kind of scarey how much our minds fill in the blanks and we dont realize it.
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Well they were playing The Life in beta tests before the 8 Bit update so no wonder they were having less colors.
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Nah. The advanced sound was added in Must Be The Music update.
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Pegasus (Nintendo clone) and Commodore 64 for me :)
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Yah, I fought with tapes, ended up using the audio ports for sampling music. Had dual 5 1/4" drives, made games like Ultima and Wizardry faster to load. Especially with Diversi Dos, that actually cut load times in half. Days on Apple Panic and Dino Eggs. Castle Wolfenstein was very addictive especially it was one of the few games to have "voice".
Found that Archive.org has alot of apple games preserved. https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_apple_games
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Atari 65 XE for me. Also tape-loaded games, but it took longer than on Commodore 64, unless you bought special cartridge upgrade.
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I have always wondered if we all see colors different from eachother. Like, if you were born and your brain interprets a certain wavelength of light to be what you know as blue, so it is blue because that is what everyone tells you as you learn to talk. Now I am born and I look at the same wavelength of light that you see as blue, but my brain shows me the color yellow. As I learn to talk, everyone tells me it is blue, so that is what I call it, but I am actually seeing a different color. We all call the ocean blue because that is the color we are taught that it is, but we could all be seeing it as our own "blue".
This can probably be disproven with science somehow, but I never tried researching it and always though it was interesting to think about.
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You can not prove that we see the same "blue" or any color or anything. You cannot PROVE it.
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I think it is pretty likely we don't see or experience colors all the same. For one thing, there is something we call color blindness. I have a mild form of red-green color blindness (Deuteranopia). I cannot distinguish between certain shades of red and green. So I know for sure that I see colors differently than certain other people.
But that is an abnormality in my eye. I don't know if you could say the same for people who have "normal" vision.
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I understand that some people can't distinguish different tints of similar colors that are close, like certain shades of blue and green, but that is just a small defect where you probably don't have the ability to see as much color depth that is considered normal. It's like you are seeing in 8 or 16 bit color depth while the average person sees closer to 32 bit. I was thinking more extreme like two different colors being completely switched.
lol, I can see it now, 64 bit color is released and the debates start about how humans can only see 32 bit color depth :) I don't even think we can see all the colors of 32 bit though, so it probably won't ever be a thing.
Edit: I may actually be wrong about not being able to see all the colors of 32 bit. It seems that some people have an extra cone in their eyes and can see a lot more colors. This article is interesting: https://hyperallergic.com/187012/how-many-colors-can-most-of-us-actually-see/
It is not possible to determine if one is a tetrachromat through an online test or by looking at an internet-based image because, according to the Newcastle study, “computer screens do not provide enough color information to be able to ‘tap into’ the extra dimension that tetrachromats may possess.”
Edit 2: Here's an eye test. I got a score of 2, which I think means that I only got 1 block wrong by 1 position. Any kind of online eye test is going to be affected by our monitors though. I'm still using an old CRT. https://www.xrite.com/hue-test
Edit 3: Here's another eye test. I would highly recommend doing the entire test completely once to figure out how to do the different tests, then do it again. This one is kind of annoying because I end up getting some wrong not because I can't see the different colors, but that I can't figure out where to move my mouse to find the correct tint of color before the timer runs out. I got an 8.8, but I might try it again. https://color.method.ac/
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oh yeah, I've heard about shit like that! The 'wine-dark sea' n shit.
I often get in arguments with my girlfriend all the time about what colors things are. (Latest one: Is Makoto's coat red or brown?)
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I think it's all about linguistic, not physiology.
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it's definitely all here.
if we don't have illnesses or eye problems, we all see colors in the same way
another question is the names used to distinguish between color shades or whatever else, but behind our eyes we see black as black, red as red and so on..
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i guess it a matter a perception. im not color blind but i see gray as a light, dull, blue. no1 else ever agree's with me but when doing color sampling for paint to me gray is always a dull, light blue.
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Maybe the lighting under which you view the samples, or maybe you can pick up a hint of UV?
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Hmmm, I guess coming generations will describe the sea different than us....
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yeah, this thing has sparkled a very nice discussion between my girlfriend and me some nights ago..
well, living together is stimulating on all fields after so much time =P
she's an antiquist (I think this word doesn't exist in English, and it's bestly summarized as "classical scholar") and even if she knows perfectly Latin (she speaks it like a language and it's quite astonishing =P I'm juts learning it; I studied as an accountant!! xD) she's always been in love with Ancient Greek and the whole Greek culture (her family is partly from Sicily and she studied in a world full of Greek influences!)
so we talked about colors and she made me a huge explanation about how colors were perceived in Ancient Greece.. ultimately, we ended up by finding lots of words that we still use in Italian (in italian we basically use only Greek words for what concerns specialistic nouns, but this goes the same for English I think..) and lots of them for instance referred all to varieties of red, or blue!
Ultimately, she told me that we can't compare through the sources we have, our colors to the Ancient Greek ones.. and they were.. quite brilliant when it came to poetical texts, poems, scientifical essays..
This reminded me a lot of my very first Japanese year at the university (1st year out of 5 during my two degrees in history, but I dropped Japanese after 3 years and my first degree).. our Japanese teacher kept on telling us that midori was aoi and what we kept on seeing as green, for him was blue and midori-green was a modern invention.. =P
I don't know, I think that BASED on the sources we have for Ancient Greece we really can't reach a suitable conclusion. There are no tables that compare 10 American colors to 10 Greek colors, and if I tell my girlfriend "red!" she comes up with 10 different Greek texts referring to reddish colors with words totally different each another..
I think we all see colors somehow the same if we don't have eye problems - the shades are the only issue, what I see more blue than green, for some it's more green than blue, but red is red and yellow is yellow, blue is blue.
I was born with green eyes and it's a rare feature, it's a recessive gene that gets over the recessive blue but gets under the dominant brown; basically no one in my family until the XIX century had eyes different than brown or blue (about 70% of my ancestors had blue eyes, 30% brown), but I was born with green eyes (mother brown, father blue).
Scientists called my eyes "irish" or "shamrock" green and they all told me there was no way that they can be defined in another way. I keep on encountering guys that tell me my eyes look more blue, or even amber, but they are green.. there's even a scientifical name for that stupid color, as I said, I'm listed as "shamrock green"..
but the Ancient Greek civilization died thousands of years ago and still we debate on how they even pronounced their alphabet (and same goes for classical Latin..) so we won't ever really be able to make charts that match red to idk what weird word and so on, I think simply that colors are the same for every one of us that has no eye sight problem and we can just see them differently in shades, when hit by light or in the shadows and so on, but my black and white cocker spaniel is black and white on his pedigree, here, and everywhere else.. I don't know how Greeks would define them, I don't know the terms, but I'm pretty sure they would see my cocker as a white and black dog with their own eyes..
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After reading this, I respect your girlfriend for her knowledge.
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thanks a lot, from her =P
she really amazes me (and she's way younger than me!) with her knowledge.. she does a completely different job (she works in kindergartens with kids 0-3 years old basically, she had to study a lot of psychology, pedagogy and.. all these Greek words xD) but she maintains a huge interest in Latin and Greek, Greek over every other language and civilization, she still reads poems in "lettura metrica" (like, taking into account breaks, melodies, accents..), she writes in ancient Greek and in Latin like we all Europeans did before French (and eventually English) took over..
thank you, I'd love to be just a bit like her but she's too brilliant =P
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Antiquarian is the English word I believe you're looking for.
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you are definitely right, I didn't take into account that word since in Italian, "antiquario" means a totally different thing - basically, an "antiquario" in Italy is someone who buys and sells art objects, paintings and artifacts although it isn't linked to a particular period of time - an "antiquario" for instance can operate just with Renaissance items. the term "antichista" on the contrary denotes a scholar, someone who studies Ancient (and dead!) cultures, languages and such.. an Italian "antichista" is usually a specialist of Ancient Greece or Ancient Rome, but there are also students of the Sardinian cultures, Etruscans and so on..
So, "antiquario" and "antichista" are two very different words ("antiquario" denotes also the proper name of the shop in which he works and trades into old/ancient objects!).. I didn't know that "antiquarian" could apply perfectly to the word I was searching, basically a synonym of "classical scholar" =) thanks!
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It's not about color view. It's about stereotypes. What color children use to draw a water nowadays? Right answer - blue. Even if they see, that water has no color. So nothing strange, that Ancient Greek had another stereotypes.
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Yes it's true the sea has never been blue. But then again I'm nocturnal :)
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Ah, the language thingy and how the word for blue tends to show up later than other colors. I thought this was going to be of how the water is actually reflecting the blue of the sky, and the blue of the sky is caused by the atmosphere filtering sunlight.
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I just took yesterday a random picture of my eyes with my crappy phone for a (different) eye question on Quora.com: as Ryzhehvost pointed out above, it's all about linguistic differences and not physiology. I know that my eyes (which happen to bear a color named "Irish" or "Shamrock" green) could be named in way different ways, depending on the language and the culture of the person I'm talking with (and an Ancient Greek probably could have defined them in ten different ways, referring to mythology and lots of other things not linked to proper physiology and nothing else - look here to an article about Glaukopis), but I'm 100% sure that a person with no eye medical problems sees them in the same way everybody else sees them regardless of their culture.. then, if they define them as "green" or "cloron", "prasinon", "glaukos" or whatever else.. it's only a linguistical or poetical choice =P
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I didnt read the article (do later) but i "think" about colours different than everyone i met...
While people say a tomatoe is RED i say it's every colour but NOT RED... the tomatoe reflects RED light - in my logic the tomatoe is not red then, it is blue and yellow spectrum... :3
MY LOGIC XD
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I just read this fascinating article about the ancient Greeks and their ability to see colors.
Apparently, if I read the article right, the ancient Greeks had a different view of colors, even going so far as to saying that the oceans were other colors than blue.
What do you think about this?
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