Just waiting for Cybermonday sale.

I've seen the light, AMD Processor just suck on high end. Any tips? It's my first time using an Intel processor.

Kinda want to know how does turbo thinggy works, Is it automatic or a bios/power option settings?
what should I know to maximize the processor (Bios hidden settings that I should know)
Overclocking a non-K processor possible? (Someone fucking swept all the i7-4770k stock on memmoryexpress -_- ) (got the 4771 instead for 10$ more expensive :( )

oh also first time using an SSD (Samsung 840 evo series 120gb).

What software I should use to maximize SSD's life.
Also the cache thinggy for the most used files being stored in SSD.
Should I turn off my PC to lessen SSD usage or It's safe to 24/7 standby my PC? (Standby = afk)

P.S: Don't bash, I'm a loyal AMD user for 14+years lol, also I've sworn to myself that I'm not getting an SSD until the average life span becomes 5+years.

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POST will look different, but other than that, I can't think of anything I've particularly had change or had to change between AMD and Intel processors. I dig into BIOS settings when I first set up a machine, but those are usually motherboard-dependent things and not so much processor. I've never really bothered overclocking things either.

Can't help you on SSDs -- still haven't owned one yet myself!

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Turbo is automatic. As long as you have some thermal leeway (not heating up to a limit), it'll automatically boost.
The stock setting for the BIOS should be enough (sometimes it depends on motherboard manufacturers) unless you're overclocking.
You can overclock non-K processors but the multipliers are locked (hence you need to overclock the BCLK). Not recommended if you don't know what you're doing.

SSDs shouldn't need any software to maintain (it should be automatic). Sometimes it depends on the manufacturer as well (I know Intel SSDs have a firmware layer that does everything it needs). Not sure about Samsung SSDs.

About AFKing. Not sure. Depends on what background process you're running. If it's just Windows, I don't think it'll amount to much writes.

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Thanks!

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For gaming that supports multiple cores, as well as productivity that supports multiple cores, AMD destroys intel at price/performance. Yes, the more expensive intel i7's are slightly better, but they cost more than double that of AMD 8350, which is probably the best bang for your buck as a CPU.
Overclocking an Intel cpu should be more or less similar to AMD cpu's, i.e if you know how to OC AMD CPU, you will figure out how to OC Intel, as long as your motherboard is decent enough.
For the SSD, disable file indexing (useless, due to SSD being so fast anyway), either remove pagefile completely (not recommended) or create a small 1-2gb one on your HDD (can go higher or lower, depending on the amount of RAM you have and what you plan to do on this system). If possible, disable system restore, but that shouldn't be a huge deal. Disabling hibernation wouldn't do much to longevity of SSD, but it would sure free up the already limited space on it.
About the 24/7 standby thing... As long as it's not writing anything, the life of your SSD isn't being reduced. Not to mention it would take years upon years to use up all the write cycles even if you wrote 10gb every day on it, which you won't, I'm sure. Sudden power loss can kill an SSD however, so if you don't have a UPS, it's probably safer to turn the PC off overnight or if you're not planning to use it for hours. With SSD it will boot up in under 20 seconds anyway, so it shouldn't bother you anyway.

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You do NOT wanna move pagefile to HDD (or totally disable),
but with SSD it's safe to use dynamic pagefile (since seeks don't slow down, ie. min 800 Mb max 6 Gb or whatever)
Do not disable file indexing if you have HDDs
Do not disable system restore, what if windows update fails and you can't boot?

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I haven't used system restore in about 10 years and when I did use it last time, it messed up my whole system and didn't even fix the issue I had in the first place. Sure, it's not recommended to disable it if you're not very tech savvy, I guess I worded it bad. I find the feature useless for me personally, but I have heard of people who using it a lot, so it's up to the individual.

Disable file indexing for the SSD at least, is what I meant, although if you don't use search often, it won't make that much difference if you disable it completely.

Disabling pagefile completely is a bad idea, but if you have a decent amount of RAM (8gb or more), you can set it to something so tiny (1gb or maybe even less) that it won't even make a difference, and won't be writing on the SSD all the time. Again - it's all opinion and preference.

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I'm not getting an Intel just for gaming. The heavy contenders are video editing, rendering, encoding. Although some games are actually faster in Intel.

Thanks for the SSD tips, really appreciate it. How about the SSD cache thinggy feature, would you recommend that I should use it or no? Does it kill the SSD life way faster if it's not used?

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"I'm not getting an Intel just for gaming. The heavy contenders are video editing, rendering, encoding."

Funny, but that's exactly where the AMD chips are getting the lead.

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yeah, with the excessive heat and power draw too. Btw, those improvements are more focused in GPU not in CPU which I'm still using a CFX 7870 and r9 270x

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Well, each CPU has its pros and cons. That's the price you have to pay for the extra cores and the 32nm lithography vs Intel's 22nm. (Obviously you can't have it all at that price range)
Btw GPU has nothing to do with video encoding which is a time consuming task. (Unless, if you're using for example a cuda enabled video encoder, but that's another story).
Anyway, the bottom of the line is that both choices are good depending on what you wanna do with those chips and your expectations.

IMPORTANT: I forgot to mention that there are Intel CPUs that do not have certain features enabled such as VT-d and vPro. Example: 4770k don't have unlike 4770 and 4771.

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nothing to do? I was assuming that you were referring to adobe improvements on AMD GPU. Unless I'm not hearing some new news on some facny AMD innovation to beat INTEL on those heavy tasks

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When you encode a video, you're using your CPU and not your GPU.

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So wrong. Please stop talking now.

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The vast majority of the video encoders out there are based on the CPU. As I said earlier there are exceptions. Also, programs such as Premiere Pro with the Mercury Engine encoder is using the GPU but only for clips that use "accelerated" effects. If you have none of the Mercury effects applied on your video then it's only a task for the CPU.
Btw friendly request... lines such as "Please stop talking now" aint necessary in a friendly discussion.

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majority, you mean those sucky ones? Again, most of the improvements are heading towards GPU. AMD supporting adobe slowly. Second if you really are pushing the CPU argument. Just see this

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Define sucky, because what is sucky depends on the output's quality.

Left image -> CPU (slower)
Right image -> GPU (faster)
Clicky

Another one
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wow dude, how far are you watching your 1080p videos? from the screen It isn't like there's a big noticeable difference on the quality, moreover if you can distinguish them real-time.

I can't even notice the difference between RF: 18 vs RF: 15 on Handbrake (which uses GPU encoding) and the 2x increase on encoding (on AMD) is not worth it

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For distributing your own videos, for archiving purposes etc you aim for quality and not for speed. (CPU wins here)
If you wanna throw some movies on your tablet from your PC, yeah quality aint such a big deal. Anyway. we're off topic for good.
My point is that GPU encoding is great in terms of speed but still needs some time to be mature.

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I have to ask, exactly what AMD processor are you going from?

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Phenom II 965 BE

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Not bash you? loyal amd user, you say. GOD PRAISE YOU, finally, you realize amd sux, INTEL THE BEST!

PS Why so serious?

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but but, price for performance ratio :(((

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3570k for $150 at microcenter. Rocking it rock solid @ 4.5ghz. Gotta love that price/performance ratio.

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dat price, not here in ca D:

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they both do their jobs fine for gaming but yeah id still go for Intel too :)

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You probably should disable disk defragmentation on ssd if you haven't already. Also you should verify that the TRIM command is enabled. Also, some ssd softwares have a manual trim button, like the OCZ Toolbox (for ocz ssds only). You should run the trim command may once a month or so, depending on usage.

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brief explanation what is this TRIM thinggy?

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It basically keeps ssd performance at its highest level. Works by telling the device firmware which blocks have empty space. Over time without TRIM/Garbage collection, ssd speeds will decrease.

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TRIM should be turned on by default in newer OS and you shouldn't run it manually, let the controller do its work. After all that's what it was designed for and that's what it does best.

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To be a bit more technical, an SSD is divided into many blocks. If a block has been written to before and you want to write something else to it, you need to erase the entire block first. TRIM marks a block as no longer being used (say, when you delete a file) so the SSD can erase it when it has free time. This allows you to write to the block later without erasing it first, increasing write speed.

Hard drives don't use TRIM because it can write and erase (mark as 1 or 0) individual bits. SSDs can only erase blocks rather than individual bits because that makes the circuitry simpler and smaller, I believe.

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What's bad about disk defrag on an SSD?

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It uses write cycles to move fragmented files around. However Windows 7 (I think) and newer OS can detect that you have an SSD and turn defragmentation off for it.

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It's useless, due to no moving parts in an SSD compared to HDD, so it regardless of how fragmented your SSD is, it's not going to affect the performance.

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As some people said below, also in some cases it kills the SSD's life cycle, or just kills it there and then. Makes it's data unreadable or something like that, forgot what it was detailed.

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Intel is the way to go for CPU's, if you overclock grab an Hyper 212 heatsink, still the best bang for the buck I think.

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Hyper 212 EVO, if you can't fit the bigger sink. So mad when that happened.

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I had fun times fitting Noctua's NH-D14 into my system. That fucker is so big that you could call him Snorlax.

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Depending on how much RAM you have, you could disable the page file altogether, though if you don't know what you're doing/why you'd do it, leave it.

To answer your questions:

Kinda want to know how does turbo thinggy works, Is it automatic or a bios/power option settings?
Automatic.

what should I know to maximize the processor (Bios hidden settings that I should know)
Let it handle itself unless you want to overclock it.

Overclocking a non-K processor possible?
Yes, but not to the extent of a non-K, as other people have mentioned.

What software I should use to maximize SSD's life.
You don't really have to do anything, it should take care of itself. As people have mentioned, you should disable defragmentation as it's not needed.

Also the cache thinggy for the most used files being stored in SSD.
I'm assuming you mean pagefile. See the first line of this post. I'd recommend you set it to a fixed size, anyway (min and max sizes being the same).

Should I turn off my PC to lessen SSD usage or It's safe to 24/7 standby my PC? (Standby = afk)
You should sleep/hibernate your PC when it's not in use simply to save power. Unless you've got things going on in the background while you're afk (torrents, etc.), your drive should not be doing anything (it does not physically move like a HDD).

brief explanation what is this TRIM thinggy?
Normally when you delete stuff on an SSD, it doesn't actually erase the block, the OS just marks it as usable. When it comes time to using that block again, the SSD trying to write to that block first has to erase it before writing to it. See this link.

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Cache: I mean the cache on the software included in the SSD. Is that actually really useful or just wears the SSD much faster?

Anyways thanks for all the answer

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If you want your software to run faster leave their cache on SSD. Otherwise there is no point in getting an SSD.

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To maximize SSD's life you don't need to use anything. Concerns for SSD's life are a thing of the past. Any tricks anyone tell you to use will cost you in terms of performance of your computer, stability, speed, all of which nullifies acquisition of an SSD in the first place.

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I moved from AMD 1100T to i7 4770K. In 3D rendering, 4770K is much much more powerful. It simply reduced the rendering time to below half of time that 1100T needs. BTW, no need to buy a haswell cpu with K. Haswell cpu is not good at overclocking and overclocking really makes a little difference in real life use.

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