Have you upgraded to Windows 11?
I updowngraded to 11 a couple days ago... I hate it so far.
already had to uninstall a bunch of garbage it installed, disable a few other things, turn of allowing my ethernet being allowed to wake my PC(this is only ever turned on by updates and I hate it), now my mic causes the windows key to not open the start menu, and being unable to drag and drop browser tabs after putting PC into sleep mode(didn't do this in windows 10)
going to look at windhawk or open shell to change some stuff later.
not to mention the 1.5hrs worth of steps I had to do so I would be allowed to enable secure boot to update to 11 in the first place(tpm was already on)
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downloaded windhawk and now I don't have the annoying recommended section on my start menu!
better theme for me to. some of the other UI mods it has may have been better in previous years and now just part of windows(notepad dark mode for example)... will play around with it some more later, just wanted to improve my start menu for today.
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yet another new issue found with W11... likely Microsoft trying to solve something that wasn't really a problem.
I can't drag anything outside of the window anymore, I used to drag mostly Genshin impact and occasionally the browser windows so the top was just outside of the screen, but now windows forces it to be entirely within the display... anyone know how to revert this behavior how it was in W10? I don't want to have to adjust my monitor placement(the arm its on is finicky) as its making me tilt my head down ever so slightly whereas before it was just perfect.
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Same with maybe a new PC in 2 years :
- it still runs 90% of the games so i see no reason to change it now
- after all the more we wait the better will be next new PC for the same amount when time will come to buy a new one
- current PC is 8 years old, previous one just lasted 5 years. It all seems very random, but the current one seems to have stood the test of time. There's no guarantee that the next one won't have a faulty component.
I tried windows 11 on my husband's basic laptop but didn't see anything there particularly appealing. Just feel completely comfortable with Windows 10.
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Took half an hour... Annoyed by that time loss and then having to fix some configurations...
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30 minutes too, what a clean windows 10 install would also take.
I wonder why it takes longer for others.
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I installed on top of Windows 10 so maybe that's why?
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No, i also upgraded from windows 10 to 11 and it took 30 minutes.
But i have a SSD might be because you have HDD? They really speed many things up in so many ways.
If you never used one and you get one, you don't want to go back.
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i have windows 11 on a laptop, and for some reason microshit decided that you can't make a hotspot with your pc if you dont have an active internet connection, so i had to make a virtual loopback adapter and set up custom scripts to enable a feature already in windows 10, along many bugs
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I'm still running Windows 7. I'll probably get a new computer early next year some time.
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Won't be "upgrading" for now. And if I feel I have to at some point, I will consider dual booting with something like Linux Bazzite (never used Linux before).
Recommend for anyone on Win 10 / 11 to watch some videos on the Chris Titus tech tool for de-bloating windows.
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Been using it for a while and it's... fine. Still too much random shit broken and half implemented but the same was true for every version they've ever released. Honestly if it wasn't for the knowledge of all the bullshit going on in the background it'd be perfectly passable.
It's a shame gaming on Linux is still such a mixed bag, had a dual boot for forever but when you keep having to swap back to play this or run that the less faff alternative inevitably becomes your default.
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game compatibility is the entire thing keeping me from jumping over to linux full time.
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After the second massive forced error within a year from Microsoft I decided to ditch Windows altogether.
As the tech guy in my family, I can assure you that others will be switching to Linux Mint too.
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As the tech guy in my family, I can assure you that others will be switching to Linux Mint too.
Hopefully that means they have bought into the idea instead of being forced into it (I find people who have Linux forced on them tend to be extra salty about Linux)
But I switched many years ago and eventually convinced my family to switch and they love it now. I think once they saw how much better their low-end htpc ran with Linux vs same machine w Windows, that sealed the deal.
Anyway, best of luck and hope it works out well for you
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My experience with users is that if they can see an easy way and a hard way, they'll choose the easy way.
That's why Windows got so popular back in the 80's - it took away all the clutter of different PCs and unified it into a reliable system.
Now that people are literate enough (And with thanks to Apple and Android phones understand the user process rather than any technical skills) they can venture out.
With a lot of systems being 'always on' these days a lot of work can be done through a browser, that cuts out most of the bloat Windows makes mandatory.
Games and specialist software are the only hurdles after that and Steam's Proton launcher and Winboat take care of that for more people.
Anyone still standing their ground against Linux at that point is just the new incarnation of those former Linux pushers forcing it onto other people, and there's no reasoning with them - let them discover how to get to the easy way themselves :)
While they take weeks with the tech teams discovering how to uninstall Realplayer, BonziBuddy and whatever new toys come out while forced logins, updates and shredded SSD drives put them behind in their workloads the rest of us will welcome their users over with their home systems and let them take some authority over what they use for a productive life.
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you will be in peace knowing you don't have to format your family's PCs every year!
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As the tech guy in my family, I can assure you that others will be switching to Linux Mint too.
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Required to use Win11 at work because security updates, so I did that early this year. It is...differently buggy now. I will probably have to update my laptop because it goes to work sometimes, and all the network there is constantly bombarded by people trying to find common unpatched security vulnerabilities.
I don't like how they keep finding ways to require a Microsoft login for Win11. My kid doesn't need a MS login.
I like Linux for things, but I need graphic apps for work, and enjoy the Affinity ones. I need to be able to edit Adobe things sometimes. And sometimes there are Windows-only things like usb-writing BIOS updates that only come with Windows installers that we need at work. But I have had a Linux desktop in the past and enjoyed it, particularly when I was a poor college student.
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There are still ways to bypass it, but yeah it's annoying.
https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/install-windows-11-without-microsoft-account
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Agreed. I have never connected to a Microsoft account.
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There are, but they recently removed the standard way people were using. I gather people figured out yet another workaround, but it would be nice if it was not...weird. The last workaround required terminal commands.
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You can still use Rufus, i's a tickbox during setup.
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I remember when it seemed like everyone was avoiding upgrading to the dreaded, hated Windows 10. Now it's please, please, please can i have it back? I make every upgrade when it is available and have never considered it a big deal.
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TBF the loss of faith caused by Windows 8 wasn't totally unreasonable, it was an absolute car crash.
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Well, let me put it like this: When you are forced to leave your 3500€ job for a 3000€ job, you will be pissed (assuming no other quality-of-life changes are associated with that change). A few years later, when you are forced to leave the 3000€ job for a 2500€ job, of course you want to "please, please, please" keep the 3000€ job you didn't want to take in the first place. Its actually quite logical.
But of course there are also people who actually changed their opinion with time or got convinced by improvements that addressed their issues with Win10. All kinds of reasons. If you're happy, thats fine.
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Your analogy doesn't seem very comparable. It suggests that the first version (first job) was best and we should have all stayed with DOS. Windows 11 is already better than Windows 10 and will improve further. This does not compare to the lower paying jobs in your analogy.
I actually don't care and I only comment because we, the tech savvy crowd, are supposed to be open to new changes. But it seems that there are as many people in that group who are as stuck in technology as the technology illiterate crowd who never wants to change their cellphone, for example. BTW, I'm a senior citizen.
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Nah, its not about new vs. old. Nothing is either good or bad just because its older or newer. My analogy was written from the point of view of the people you described in your OP. They liked Win7 better than Win10, but had to switch. Now they like Win11 even less. Windows 7 is no longer an option, so of course they'd like to stick with 10 (the middle job from their perspective).
I have personally gone through many changes in my OS history.
C64 Basic -> Amiga Workbench 2.1 -> DOS/Win3.11 -> Win95 -> Win98 -> WinXP -> Win7 -> Win10 -> Kubuntu Linux
I'm more than happy with Linux now. If Windows 11 is the best choice for you, thats great too.
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They just don't like changing. Windows 11 is better than Windows 10.
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I've been with Windows 11 for almost a year or more now. I only changed my Windows Start Bar to the Windows 10, other than that, I'm okay with Windows 11.
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Why would you want such a clunky way when you could have it like this? Searching for a picture/program when you can have it in an organized structure.
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Quite simple. I have all the stuff I need without searching. I can organise it, and I just prefer Windows 8/10 over all the other start menus. I'm all for having everything in 1 place rather than having to search for things. Windows XP/Vista/7 start is fine, but Windows 11 is something I particularly despise, and I rarely despise stuff to be fair.
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+1 from a fellow Win10 Start Menu lover. There are hundreds of us ✊
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I've been running Linux for years and don't miss Windows at all, especially from what I have seen of Win 11 so far (seen it on friend's pc but I'm also in the process of setting it up for my elderly uncle on his laptop bc that's what he wanted)
I'm not out to convert anyone, I figure you know what you want better than I do. But for anybody on Win7 / Win10 / etc, who is already interested, I'd recommend either Nobara Project or Linux Mint as good options that don't have too disimilar of a layout compared to Windows, are beginner friendly (but still viable for non-beginners), and popular enough that you'd likely be able to get help if you needed it. Nobara is made by a gamer with gamers in mind but isn't limited to gamers. Mint is a good all-arounder.
That said, as far as I know, most of the really bad things about Win 11 have been walked back. Even on the iso I got from MS's site, it seems like the latest one no longer forces tpm 2 and other hw reqs on you, which is nice. Last I heard, they walked back the changes related to ads and that Reflect crap. It's kind of annoying having to apply a bunch of tweaks to get it back to how Win 10 looked but tbh I have to tweak my Linux systems before I'm happy too so I guess it's not too different than that. But... I don't exactly keep up-to-date on Windows goings on anymore so please educate me if I'm mistaken.
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Interesting got any links or videos with more info on them
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Sorry in advance, if this is more info than you wanted or I went a bit wide of what you were looking for. I'd recommend starting with the makeuseof reviews for a general idea and if you like what you see, maybe some of the rest of this might be useful.
| --- | Nobara | Mint |
|---|---|---|
| Official site | nobaraproject.org | inuxmint.com |
| Official download pages (also has screenshots) | nobara | mint |
| Reviews | makeuseof review for nobara | makeuseof review for mint |
| More Screenshots | --- | mint ss |
| Official install guides | nobara install | mint install |
For Mint, I also like Jay's LearnLinuxTV channel for his ability to break things down and walk people through the basics without getting too technical (tho he does have other videos for more technical stuff). Here's a link to his "Linux Mint Beginners Guide Part 01 - Introduction and Installation" (sorry, don't think there's a playlist for the series unfortunately but here's P2, P3, P4)
I used Mint for about a decade before eventually switching over to a highly customized Fedora setup. Nobara is based on Fedora but takes a lot of work out of the setup.
I think the main difference you'll see between the two are:
- "support" in Linux really just means how long you get security and app updates for (in Linux you get the majority of open-source apps from app repo/store similar to Android). Generally, when a release is no longer supported, you can continue using it, you just won't get updates unless you upgrade to a newer release. There's also no forced reboots for system updates and you can usually customize whether or not you want it to do updates while rebooting. That said, the amount of time a release is supported varies. In Nobara/Fedora, a release (e.g. Nobara 42) is generally supported for about a year. In Mint, it's about 5 years.
- as a consequence of the above, Nobara is going to tend to have newer app versions, newer kernel (which affects hardware support). Mint is going to typically have slightly older app versions but with security fixes patched in. There are some exceptions tho. First, there's a version of Mint called the Edge Edition that offers newer kernel and hardware support. Second, if you are installing packages (apps) via a universal Linux format called flatpaks or using 3rd party repos, you may still have newer apps while on Mint.
- Nobara is likely going to have a lot of game-related software easier to setup. You'll still be able to install them and they should work fine on either, but might be slightly more work on Mint. But only slightly.
- One word of warning: while Linux gaming is way way way better today than it used to be even 5 years ago, there are still some things that don't work well. General rule of thumb is that single player stuff tends to be ok, competitive online stuff (especially if it has anticheat like EasyAntiCheat) isn't always great but really depends on the game and the devs behind it. If you want to know how a specific game runs, protondb.com has user submitted reports for thousands of games. If you see "native" that means there is an actual Linux version of the game; everything else is telling how well the game runs via proton emulation. Bottom line: unlike Windows, not every game works. But if you mostly play single player, probably most stuff will work.
edit: formatting fixes. lots of formatting fixes. and typos
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Some additional info:
You can test a lot of distros directly in your browser here. Sadly no Nobara or Bazzite as far as I can see. You can also launch most (or all?) distros directly from a USB stick or CD without installing them to see how they feel, perform on your hardware etc.
I personally switched to Linux this April. After a lot of reading and testing it came down to a choice between Mint and Kubuntu and I chose the latter. But there a lot of great options, depending on what you want or need.
I'm very happy that even I as a gamer can leave Windows behind now. As zpangwin already said: Highly competitive online games are problematic, but other than that (including MMOs) it is rare to encounter any problems.
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Have a windows 11 and a windows 7 and love my windows 7 so much more (using it now)
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I had to fiddle a a bit to set it up to my liking, revert the context menu to the old style, remove a lot of components like AI and the widget feature and after wrestling with the insanely intrusive OneDrive implementation I decided to just completely purge it and not bother with it at all. After all this and a couple days of use W11 actually doesn't feel that much different anymore and l also didn't notice any performance degradation in the games I tested. The one big remaining issue for me however is this awful and severely limited new start menu. I guess AI must have been a big part of it and I "ruined" it by removing those components but man, it is so utterly useless.
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I will not move at last not for some time. There will be still some support (I think free in EU) like security upgrades and then no rush. But of course when it will be no support for some time I will need to migrate (I don't like windows 11).
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As far as i know unless you pay it ends on october 14.
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I answered you in wrong place (sorry I am on phone) . But there is one additional year if you have Microsoft account. Free in EU and paid 30 in the rest. Also when you synchronise setting to one drive.
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I upgraded to Windows 11 in 2021. And I haven't changed anything in it since then.
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I saw a info that there will be 3 ways to have support. I think 2 without reinstalling. The easiest will be having extended support which should be free in EU but paid in the rest of word. But still there will be second (something with achieving to cloud unfortunately don't remember details as I want this extended support for free).
Fast info from AI: "Yes, Microsoft is offering free extended security updates (ESU) for Windows 10 to consumers in the European Economic Area until October 13, 2026, through the Extended Security Updates program. To qualify, you must enroll by signing into a Microsoft account and staying signed in to receive updates for up to 60 days. If you prefer to use a local account, you can purchase a one-time license for (\$30) USD to receive updates through October 2026. "
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I also know there will be version of Windows 2010 to the 2030 but it will be not possible on my version unless there will be some additional tool.
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Until Jan 13, 2032
Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-iot-enterprise-ltsc-2021
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Wish i had known it was free but guess in my case it wouldn't have mattered much anyway, and i have to make that jump eventually.
But in general never trust google AI, so many wrong answers (not saying in this case).
But you say until october 13, 2026, yet qualify you must sign in a microsoft account and stay signed in for up to 60 days? Basically meaning you have to use a microsoft account for that year to come.
And i do prefer to login with a local account.
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Yea. This time AI dont lie as I saw it in articles/news and also YT video, and just now I asked AI to be "fast". But of course you need this account (I have it but at first also has some difficulties to accept it is not local when installed windows 10 for the first time). I think i even wanted to be local but when installing (and entering key) I make a mistake and then just does not care to make it local again :).
When windows 11 was launched I even wanted to upgrade at first, but then I saw some problem with AMD scheduler + other broken things and then about missing functionalities and resigned. But I use windows 11 on laptop at work and it is still not stable compared to windows 10 and I hate some things like worse taskbar and i can not even move it to the right and some other less ergonomic things (even not count some data gathering or advertisements). One think I like are tabs in windows explorer (even they could still work better in some instances).
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You can log in with an MS account to activate the free year of ESU on Windows 10, then remove the MS account and go back to your local one immediately, keeping ESU.
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Changed to win 11 years ago, didn't have any issues, don't have any issues :)
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Years ago. Never had issues, but I will mention that I debloated + disabled/removed telemetry and ai shit.
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been on it since 2022, 0 issues. pretty much the same as win10 only slightly better visually
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On my laptop I'm still using Windows 10 and after checking the minimum requirements for W11 out of curiosity I realized that I actually can't upgrade even if I wanted because of their strict CPU requirements. Meanwhile on desktop I finally took the jump back to Linux and I'm genuinely happy with it, I don't know if it's just that Mint is that well put together when compared to other distros, back in the day I mostly used Kubuntu, or if Linux has improved that much in the 8-ish years since I last used it but I was surprised by how things worked almost perfectly from the first moment and how the only things that gave me any trouble were Wine/Proton (known for being quirky depending on what you're trying to run) and the newest version of the Nvidia drivers (the company has a reputation for being dicks with the Linux community).
So for now I plan to both stick to Windows 10 and on the long term fully transition to Linux, for good this time. I'm not touching Windows 11 unless I have to.
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On my laptop I'm still using Windows 10 and after checking the minimum requirements for W11 out of curiosity I realized that I actually can't upgrade even if I wanted because of their strict CPU requirements.
Not sure when you tried but I think they walked back the enforcement of the cpu (and tpm) reqs. At least I got the standard iso from ms site and was doing a test install on my laptop to prep for upgrading my uncle's laptop. Was going to apply the regsistry tweak during install to disable hw checks... And noticed that all the keys I was supposed to create already existed and were already set to disable the checks.
Idk. Then again, I prefer Linux too. Been a Fedora user for 5 or so years, and Mint user for about a decade before that. I don't normally even support Windows for family, but my uncle's getting up there in age and didn't want to switch so I consider him a special case (and I'm still giving him a Linux live USB as a backup lol)
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If they really dropped those CPU requirements that'd be nice, at least if at some point I must upgrade Windows on my laptop for whatever reason I won't need to be bothering with all the tweaks I had read were necessary. I've had bad experiences in the past with laptops and how specific their drivers can get so I'd rather leave the thing with the OS it was originally designed for, I have a much older netbook that's still running Windows 7 because it refuses to work properly with anything else (audio, wifi, battery management and trackpad get super wonky with any other OS).
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If it makes a difference, the one I used was the precreated iso (Win11_24H2_English_x64.iso) not whatever mediacreationtool creates. Iirc, I had been running it from a ventoy usb so nothing fancy (i think someone told me rufus has options to change the iso to auto-correct the settings but I like how much space I have left on the usb w ventoy 😁)
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Yeah, ventoy is an amazing invention, I swear that thing is black magic with how easily it handles multiple bootable ISO's as if it wasn't a big deal.
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I installed Win 11 over my existing Win 10 installation knowing that a clean install is advised. Nevertheless it was a rather painless process with the advantage of all my data preserved and programs still in place and working. After six months with this "upgrade" I can safely say: plus ca change plus c'est la meme chose.
My only motivation for installing Win 11 was the fucking mainboard from Asus in my new desktop which has no Win 10 driver for its WiFi 7 chip.
The Microsoft account requirement doesn't change anything for me as I was corrupted by Microsoft's money to participate in their rewards program already.
Personally I despise Microsoft's forced upgrade policy as it changes fully functional computers into e-waste and creates a huge security gap as a lot of users will stay on then unsupported Win 10.
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I upgraded to 11 after resisting for a while, not really seeing any benefits for doing so.
But so far, it boots much quicker and it is much more snappy when switching windows etc. Apparently making it feel more snappy and making it boot faster were two of their goals.
Honestly, I go used to it so fast that I can't even remember how Windows 10 was different.
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Was already on windows 11 pro, ive used older windows OS's It seems to work fine for me, is there a better option or is it just people hating because of privacy concerns?
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I don't care too much about privacy, but it lacks basic customization options (basic things, that were for long included in Windows, like being able to move the taskbar to vertical position on the side of my screen) and it also annoys the hell out of me with its self-advertisement (X Box, AI functions, Office), even if mostly on the lock screen.
And then, a promise is a promise - Win 10 was to be the last Windows, and I'm about to help MS keep its word ;).
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Hmm, sometimes when there are strange bugs on 11 I wonder if thats just windows being windows or specifically because of 11, maybe I should move back to windows 10 LTSC? Would that be better you think?
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I don't know anything about its bugs, fortunately, for me it's the issue of customization (and I do customize a lot - that's how [my taskbar looks(https://i.imgur.com/8bLCFOd.jpeg) f.e.). And basically I have the same interface since Win 2k, IIRC.
If you are OK with the interface, but just afraid of bugs caused by new updates, then you may decide to sacrifice some security and decide to wait longer before accepting updates. It can be done from within Win 10 and 11, if you are not on Home edition, and for Home edition this simple trick can be used (you modify the registry once and then instead of just 5 weeks you have the option to delay auto updates practically forever).
So IMO it all depends on what are your priorities: customization and familiarity with the old system, security or being pretty well bug free.
Personally I may, just may, decide to stay with Win 11 at the price of allowing updates like once per year. There are some outside programs, that probably would allow the customization, that I need, but they are likely to get broken with any larger updates of the OS.
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I'll just stick with 11 pro, it works well for me, but thanks for the info
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Can't say i like it much yet, and my original Windows was Dutch, and it installed semi English so now it's half Dutch and half English.
Still using Open Shell to give it as much as the old Windows 7 look as possible, and Aero Tweaker to give the old volume control back.
And this might also be useful to some: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9erUzXQsv48 (Removing Copilot and telemetry).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhq0GzA1yXw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqh_40hyGYw
The transition from 7 to 10 felt less worse.
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