Do you agree?
I like the ideas, and I'd like to add the suggestion of clearing the usernames of users that have been inactive for 2 or more years, replacing that username that was removed by a randomly generated code [123example], and then in case those users return, provide them with the message and page to replace their name right away. This is based on a username system on an MMORPG I used to play.
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That's a nice suggestion as well that has already been suggested: https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/QAtrR/ They suggested replacing the username with the user's Steam ID. I think that would be better than a randomly generated number.
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Didn't know about that, the idea just occurred to me when I was reading yours, and that would make more sense too, to use steam ID instead.
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Please don't put words in my mouth, I never said that.
It's not about disagreeing with me, it's about not wanting other people to have nice things. I mean, how would this affect them in any way? Unless they can give me a good reason why this would be a bad idea, besides the entitlement of "I wouldn't be able to recognize the users anymore!", they are assholes to me, because this wouldn't have any impact on them, and yet they don't want other people to be able to do it.
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He didn't put words in your mouth. He quoted you. You flat out called anyone who disagrees with you an asshole.
As for "what harm could it do?" Allowing people to change their names at will makes it far easier for them to deceive other people about who they are while conducting trades and giveaways.. Simple as that.
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Yes, he did, just like you did right now. Again, I didn't say anyone who disagrees with me is an asshole. Read what I said. I said anyone who disagrees with the suggestion is, because it doesn't affect them in any way.
First of all, there are no trades on SG. And how exactly would you deceive someone while conducting giveaways? What exactly would you lose?
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https://www.steamtrades.com/ is from SG group, your username is the same in both sites.
And I agree with LIGrenadier saying that it is easier to deceive other people. Like on steam, you have the 10 username history, but you can't see all the previous usernames. I can change my name to a famous and reliable trader, scam someone and then change my username 10 times to "delete" from username history.
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Changing your username on SG does not change your username on ST.
Well, that is the someone who was scammed's problem. People have to be more careful when doing trades.
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well i hope you get scammed someday
How mature of you, wishing bad things to people. :) Wouldn't happen to me though, I don't trade. And if I did I'd like to believe I would be smart enough to do my homework.
i hate you
I feel sorry for you, so much hate in that heart. :( But I don't hate you. Nothing more than love and positive thoughts to send your way. <3
your black-listed
OH NO! HOW WILL I BE ABLE TO LIVE MY LIFE WITHOUT YOUR GIVEAWAYS NOW? PLEASE FORGIVE ME, I NEED YOUR GIVEAWAYS, I NEED THEM SO BADLY! 😠\s
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anyone who disagrees with the suggestion is, because it doesn't affect them in any way.
You are wrong it would it a lot easier for people to troll. Or for people to pretend they are the winner to a GA when they are not, which I assume is the main reason for that rule.
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A username history will make little difference when I can flood it with as many names as I like. I'm not against you or your ideas, it's simply that I believe it would lead to impersonation and trolling.In a perfect world where everyone is nice I'd agree with you, but there are plenty of toxic and petty people on SG already (this is not aimed at you or anyone else specific though, it's just a general statement).
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I'm sure you perceive it that way. It then becomes a debate whether the solutions will offset the abuse, which I believe they do not, while you disagree so there's no point arguing further. I only set out to provide legitimate reasons why someone disagrees with your first suggestion without just being apathetic, which I did.
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I didn't say anyone who disagrees with me is an asshole
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I said anyone who disagrees with the suggestion is, because...
I don't see how those are different. The but doens't change that that you think people who disagree are assholes, it just elaborates as to the reason why you think they are.
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What I mean is that it's not about me. If someone else made this suggestion I would say the same thing. It's about the suggestion, not me or what I think.
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That's not the point people have a problen with. People don't care that you're the one to come up with this opinion or really what it is and why you think it, they have issue with the fact your invalidating opposing opinions over something so trivial or meaningless by calling them assholes.
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I'm not invalidating anyone's opinions. It's their opinion, they have a right to it. I just think they're assholes for having that opinion. And that's my opinion. See? Everyone has their opinions. Doesn't mean one's better than the other, or one's right and one's wrong. They're just opinions.
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Doesn't mean one's better than t.he other, or one's right and one's wrong.
Calling them assholes for holding that opionon implies differently.
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Well how you perceieve it doesn't really matter as much as how everyone else does. Most you think you believe an opinion is wrong if you call the holders of it assholes.
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Please don't put words in my mouth, I never said that.
Errr, no, that's exactly what you said.
You made a suggestion based on your opinion, then claimed that anyone who disagree is an asshole.
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I won't keep repeating the things I say over and over again. Do some reading.
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I won't keep repeating the things I say over and over again.
That's good, because repeating the same lies over and over again won't make them true.
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I'll add a trigger warning next time just for you, baby. :)
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Go hide in your safe space if you can't take the heat.
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Lol I'm the one who can't take the heat? Ok, I'll get back to you when I need an expert in hypocrisy. I'm not the one who got all butthurt for being called an asshole.
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You're the one who got butthurt over having your lies called out.
If you want to champion an unpopular opinion and call "assholes" anyone who disagree with you, then grow a spine and own up to it. Instead you pretend you never said that when everyone has the proof of the contrary right in their face, then melt down like a delicate snowflake when called out on it.
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I'm getting tired of your stupidity. I said I never said anyone who disagrees with me is an asshole. I called everyone who disagrees with the SUGGESTION (not with ME) an asshole, and I stand strongly by that statement.
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but you're not entitled to that.
And why are people entitled to change their user name? At all or even more so whenever it pleases them?
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Because it's our account? Don't we have control over our avatars and emails? Why should we not have control over our usernames?
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The purpose of names is identification. Your idea seems to be that its purpose is anything but that.
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Identification should not be permanent. I may have been identified by something in the past but now I want to be identified by something else. What's the problem in that? "My idea" is an idea that is implemented in the majority of the forums out there. In most of them we have more freedom with our usernames than here on SG. And might I bring up Steam? Where you are allowed to change your username anytime you want? Did that cause the end of the world?
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And Sony doesn't allow name changes at all and the world didn't end either. That kind of argument goes both ways, as you see. One change per year is absolutely sufficient to satisfy all demands and I haven't seen you provide one reason why users should necessarily be entitled to more.
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Comparing Sony to SG is like comparing apples to oranges.
No, it isn't. It doesn't satisfy my demand, so it doesn't satisfy all demands.
You are the one who fails to provide one reason why users should not be "entitled" to change their username more. I already provided a reason - it's our account, we should have more control over it.
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I don't see why Steam should be so different to PSN names. Both provide user names for online platforms, that are used for games as well as forums etc. How is that comparing apples and oranges?
Okay, let me rephrase it: SG's solution is a compromise that grants a certain ability to identify people by their names and users to fix their names once in a while, if they are seriously unhappy with it.
All that your suggestion would provide on top of that is for people to abuse a system, playing games with their names, messing with the primary purpose of names. And I don't see why I should support that.
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Ah, I thought you were talking about Sony as in the Sony website - to buy stuff, not PSN. I don't have accounts there, so I wouldn't know. But it doesn't matter - some places allow it, some don't, my argument is about SG.
Well, this is pointless then, if you refer to it by "fixing" then this conversation is going nowhere. But remember that my suggestion is to either lower the limit of 1 year (maybe to 6, 3 or 1 months) or allow us to change it anytime. I could settle for any of those.
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We just come from very different point of views. I've been online since 1994 and I changed my main user name exactly twice in all that time. So you'll understand why I might be troubled by some people arguing that they'd absolutely need name changes all the time. ;)
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I understand your point of view, but I don't understand why you don't support the suggestion. There are many suggestions I have no use for, but to me, if other people have use for them, why not let them have at it?
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Actually, you can't change your username on Steam. What you can change is a display name. Your overall account name stays with you.
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I know, although technically it's called "account ID" and not "username". And that's not an issue, because the display name is what's important, as it's the one others see/how people find you. Same thing here. Our username on SG is our display name, so we should be able to change it more often.
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I think there should still be limits to how often you can change your username though. Possibly limit it to once per month instead of once per year?
I think SteamGifts implemented it to prevent scammers from quickly switching to different usernames, etc. etc. the whole scamming deal.
Though a username history will definitely come in handy. :D
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I don't care if there are still limits, as long as it's not an absurd limit like 1 year.
And there are other ways to identify users that are unique, by SG ID or Steam ID.
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Agree you with the absurd limit of 1 year xD
But regarding the SG ID or Steam ID, it's slightly less commonly known by many users (not really sure abt this tbh)
But definitely reduce the limit, coz once per year is way too long :P
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Not for me, and I'm sure not for many others. A detected.
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Yes, you've stated your opinion multiple times.
I've given mine.
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Ok, so how does your opinion affect you? I mean, why are you against it if it's enough for you? What difference would it make for you? This is the kind of arrogance I was talking about.
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Arrogance? I stated my opinion in 5 words.
Once a year is enough.
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Well, that opinion led me to believe you are against it. If that's not the case I apologize.
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I am against it.
Once a year is enough.
Since you seem to require reasons - read Golwar's replies again.
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Golwar didn't present any reasons. Just more arrogance.
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Ah. Good that I read this before I wasted time for another reply. Have a nice day sir.
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Sorry, it's just how I see it: you have no use for it, and yet you don't want anyone else to use it. That's arrogance to me.
Only "reason" you provided was:
The purpose of names is identification.
To which I said identification does not need to be permanent, or at least for display names. There are a couple unique ways to identify someone on SG other than by username that are permanent.
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Step 1: You didn't provide any reason!
Step 2: Oh, you provided a "reason". See how I belittled it? Only my reasons are real reasons!
Step 3: Oh, see how I provided counter arguments to your "reason"? I'll pretend that they must convince you and you are arrogant if you don't support me now.
Step 4: I'm sorry but I'm not sorry
That is how I would summarize your discussion style here. And now I'm out. For real.
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I only called you arrogant because you said you only changed your username twice in the past 13 years, so you don't need this suggestion, and yet you are against it. If that's the wrong term to describe this, then I don't know.
And I never said only my reasons are real reasons, I just didn't understand your reason at all. Based on your reason, we should only be granted one username for our entire lifetime and stick with it till our death because it "identifies" us. Online names aren't the same thing as real names.
Would you be ok, for example, if the limit was lowered to 11 months? My suggestion says "more often, if not any time we want". It means I would settle for anything that is more often than 12 months, although 11 months would not practically solve anything, but it would still be more often.
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Anyone who disagrees with you is arrogant. Got it.
You'll go far in life with that attitude. Best of luck.
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Why do people keep putting words in my mouth?
You said once a year is enough. -> So that means you don't change your username often or at all, so you don't need it. -> Yet you are against other people needing it. -> Even though it would not affect you at all (still no one presented a reason why it would). -> That's arrogance for me.
It has nothing to do with you disagreeing with me.
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Once again, Golwar sums up my thoughts perfectly.
https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/NOVkRjV
Enjoy your day, if you can.
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Fine, shut down the conversation. I'm at least trying to come up with solutions that could get you guys on board with this, but if you're not even open to hear me, then this conversation is really going nowhere.
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You really have a problem in accepting other`s opinions, and this two people who you try to convince to sustain you are right.
I strongly disagree with you too to be honest, because is my choice (call it arrogance or whatever you want).
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This goes in both ways, think to that before storming to everyone who doesn`t agree with you.
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Who did I storm? I was trying to convince them that this is a good idea, I wasn't storming anyone.
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Alot of users disagree with you, as you can notice in comments.
They feel like pushed with your "way to convince them" (trust me no one likes to be called asshole because he/she doesn't have same opinion as you do), everyone is free to have his/her opinion without the need of insulting them because it's different of what you think, just my two cents (someone who doesn`t agree with you wont do it after either, especially if you talk to them in this way : me right, you wrong).
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Ok, whatever floats your boat in this case (many quoted what was "wrong" with your thread content, maybe you should read last line in it to realise what I mean... And to be sure that you really understand me, I explain and I'll use myself as target here : I disagree with your 1. and that makes me and asshole, because you said in your thread that everyone who doesn't agree with that is an asshole, so you called me an asshole, not that I really care how I'm called by random internet people...)
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Oh I still stand strongly by the last line. But I never talked to anyone in a "me right, you wrong" kind of way. I tried to understand their argument and convince them of a solution that would work better.
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Even better: use the Steam username. If you change your profile on Steam, in the next sync it will change here.
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That would be better as an option, kind of like BLAEO does.
- Use my Steam name.
- Use a custom name.
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There's no need for people to change their names, doing it whenever you want will just cause more problems, what happens when someone starts using your old name and starts impersonating you. I can't see a valid reason for this other than you don't want too be seen as who you are.
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As far as I know, all usernames you previously used are locked to your account and only you can use them.
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Not sure if it is or isn't but it still doesn't change the fact it's not needed. If you have problems with a username being taken then it's really simple to sort out ... get an original name. :)
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Wow, you just went to the moon right now. Where have I talked about problems with usernames being taken? I'm talking about the ability to change our usernames more often. Nothing to do with usernames being taken.
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Currently the only ways to check if a username is already taken is by either going to the "/user/..." page or trying to change the username directly, which are both not practical solutions.
If you have an original name then the need to check if it's taken isn't required. xD
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Your first comment was about the first suggestion and now you're talking about the third suggestion, so I'm confused. But either way, not many people can come up with original names, it's a very hard thing to do. Wouldn't hurt to have a simple message informing so.
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I'm sorry I didn't think we was talking on just one point at a time. xD
I'm sorry but that's a lame excuse, anyone with the slighest bit of thinkin power can come up with an original name. I've had loads over the years allthough this has been my main name for 19 years or so online.
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I'll just repeat this:
Wouldn't hurt to have a simple message informing so.
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Based on some research I think it is. Some people mentioned not being able to use usernames that other users used before. Or at least it's locked for a certain time, but it is locked.
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Hmm... I think once a year is enough... because more than that and people will have to start stalking each time they view a new profile.
We don't want that now do we? ._.
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Yeah, I know you don't ^^ but in order for a change to happen, it needs to satisfy the majority. If you think this needs to happen because you and a few others wants it, then it will probably not happen. It's not that i'm againts you, just that I'm not convinced that this will bring any benefit to the community - no doubt it will be beneficial to some individuals, but what matters to me is the community, so that's why I don't agree with 1. 2 and 3 is ok I guess.
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That's often something I disagree with. The need to satisfy the majority. Minorities are important too. Especially when it's something that will not have any impact on the majority.
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I know minorities are important. But I disagree that it will not have any impact on the majority because changes will always cause an effect. The ability to change name whenever you want may lead to abuse, like using offensive names to reply to someone then quickly changing it before anyone could raise a flag. This will definitely cause an impact.
But why do want this feature implemented? Is name changing something you enjoy doing? Because even if there is no negative impact from this, there are no positive ones either. In the end the feature seem to me hardly worth it. This site is for giving games, not changing names. Maybe there will be a follow up to this in the future, but I think SG should improve other more important aspects of the site first.
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I didn't specifically suggested us to be able to change our usernames whenever we want. I said "more often, if not any time". I could settle for any of those, and I see the problems that could come with doing it any time. So at least lower the limit or allow staff to do it for us through ticket.
I personally just want to go back to my previous username as soon as possible, but I have to think of the other people who might enjoy changing their username every once in a while for some reason.
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Agree with suggestions 2 & 3, but as many others have stated, I think suggestion 1 creates more problems than it solves.
Also that last line of yours is inflammatory and distracts from the valid points you're trying to make.
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The last line is the simple truth from my perspective. Many of the recent implementations that cg has added to SG were suggestions that would always be shut down in the forums because people would say it would "create more problems than it solves". I think you don't find that out unless you do it. And I don't see how allowing us to change our usernames more often would create problems at all.
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I can see why some people may not like suggestion 1, but what's possibly wrong with 2 and 3? People who vote without reading?
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Maybe some people just hate me and everything that I do. xD Or they're just trolling. :P
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Some people don't like clicking an additional confirmation box, since it adds another (debatable) useless action. I certainly don't like it in most cases.
The third suggestion is pretty decent, but some people just aren't too bothered by it and see no need to change it. Though I'm certain some are just a**holes/trolls about it.
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I get that one additional confirmation box can be bothering, but for an action that you can do at most once a year it shouldn't be too time consuming :D
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I guess it's just slightly annoying to some while slightly beneficial to others. I simply prefer the way it is now, though I wouldn't be too bothered if it was changed either.
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I think a mod permission to change your username (2nd time) is a good idea, especially if you made a mistake while typing your username.
Now i have to wait a whole year just to delete the "a" from my username -_-
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You can open a ticket for it, but only cg can do it so be ready to wait for months (maybe it's even slower than waiting 1 year).
I have to wait 7 months to revert my username back to my previous one, it's unbelievable. I opened a ticket 4 months ago and still nothing.
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I don't really care, but I'd prefer to be able to recognize people despite them changing their username or avatar.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Not really. Recognize implies not having to look for and check a list somewhere else.
More like the note system in EGST where I can still just see you as RevilHeart.
But like I said, it's just a preference. I'd prefer an opt-in thing where I don't have to see your weekly flair and just see the original account.
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Well, nothing stops that from happening now. Sure, it could be more frequent, but not necessarily.
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To me, the real assholes are the ones disagreeing with suggestion 2 (and thus, this includes everyone that disagreed with 'all').
I mean, seriously, you are against a simple confirmation box for something you can only do once a year? What?
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Most likely didn't read the OP because it was me and quite a lot of people here hate me. If you open another thread right now with the second suggestion I have a feeling you will get more yes's.
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I think it's more likely that the options are just a wee bit too complicated to sort out than the average user is prepared spend effort towards for something as usually trivial as a poll on this site. People are generally lazy and if it's not a topic they are emotionally invested in they are bound to make take mental shortcuts when making decisions.
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you should be able to change it back to your old / one of your previous usernames at any time
and you can earn 1 additional change for lets say 50 giveaways you successfully sent
but in times of Patreon I guess it would be only an option to upgrade a higher tier subscription with such a feature: you pay and can change your username. actually thats a good selling point.
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That's an amazing suggestion (to be able to go back to old usernames anytime - they are already locked to our account anyway).
And I would have no problem if it were a part of Patreon, I just want to be able to do it, no matter the cost.
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Assholes will disagree with suggestion 1.
Hey, don't think I have something against you but, I prefer to recognize the people who thinks I'm an asshole.
And no, I'm not going to click on everyone's username history, I have this option in EGSGT but I never use it.
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Oh I don't think I'll be changing this avatar anytime soon, I'll simply revert back to my previous username "revilheart", which I also don't see myself changing from anytime soon, or if ever. So you'll be easily able to recognize me. :) You could also use a script that allows you to add notes to users and add a note to me so that I don't escape your radar. :)
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If you want a new/old nickname you couldn't just send a ticket or something? Just think about all the trolls who will have a new identity every month...it's stressful.
I really think having the ability to change the nickname too often is a bad idea.
Edit: I saw your answer to someone else...well, just wait the ticket to be answered?
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I already did, but only cg can do it, so it will take months, if not years. It's the lowest priority type of ticket.
I'd be ok with many alternatives:
- Allowing all staff to change our usernames through tickets instead of only cg.
- Reducing the limit to 6 or 3 months.
- Adding a limit that prevent users from changing it too often in a short period of time.
There are a lot of ways we could make this work for everyone, but when people immediately disagree with the idea with arguments like "one year is enough", that immediately shuts down a conversation.
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Allowing all staff to change our usernames through tickets instead of only cg.
I agree with that, nicknames should be changed after the mods "review" your account (just cheking your profile and suspension's history is enough), that would prevent from doing it to trolls and other people who don't deserve the right to change their nicknames.
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I agree with all points made. It's our username and we should be free to treat it however we see fit!
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What about keeping the URL-name as fixed one, but the shown name (forums, profile) could be changed? A bit like how discord's "change name on server" works, while having the same userID.
I'm personally fine with never changing my name as I change one that I would not want to change, but at the same time many people would like to change because of flavour. A similar solution would allow flexibility, but wouldn't be usable to remove "traces"
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Fine by me. As long as the fixed URL isn't the original username, for example: the URL would be like /user/12345, 12345 being the user ID, and then their display name would be whatever they wanted. I think this is how Reddit does it if I'm not mistaken? Or was it Stack Overflow? Otherwise it would not be useful at all.
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Assholes will disagree with suggestion 1.
another case of "i'm right you're wrong".
what a beautiful sg we have.
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Another case of putting words in my mouth. How brave of you.
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I would like to take a username of someone if they've been inactive for a certain amount of time. I'd like my SG name to match my Steam name. But it's used by someone who hasn't been on the site in over 5 years. I get this would need to be done carefully and should absolutely require that the profile of the name I want hasn't been used in a long time, where it's nearly certain the user isn't coming back. It should definitely be a ticket with support, not something I can just do myself. But that's a change I'd like to see. I don't expect it to happen and I certainly understand why. But a guy can dream
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Dreaming is good. I don't even know why I keep posting suggestions like this, as I'm pretty sure cg will never implement them, especially with the hostility that the community has towards suggestions like this, but we can try. :)
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hostility
Assholes will disagree with suggestion 1.
you're truly delirious...
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That was exactly aimed at the hostility that I knew would come with suggestion 1.
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The hostility is toward your shitty attitude (like calling people assholes), not the suggestion.
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Nah, I've seen this suggestion come up many times and every time there's a great hostility that comes with it.
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You're almost begging to be treated like that.
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I'm ok with being treated like that. I just wish people would focus on the actual suggestion instead of me.
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Then you shouldn't have initiated conflict before the discussion began. The line "Assholes will disagree with suggestion 1." implies that anyone who disagrees is an Asshole. And that is how most people will see it.
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I wasn't trying to initiate any conflict. It was really just an observation from my point of view. And not even a serious one. And if you decide to engage in a conflict, that is your choice.
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Don't let the way this thread has turned out put you off from making any other suggestions. Just take note of how different it would have been without the last line in your original post and consider that for next time.
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I would never. I kinda love triggering sensitive people. :P
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Antagonizing people and then being surprised you're treated with hostility.
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Where did I ever show any form of surprise? Like I mentioned, I've seen this hostility every time this idea is brought up, no matter who is bringing it up. Some people just don't want to allow others to change their usernames.
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Where did I ever show any form of surprise?
I just wish people would focus on the actual suggestion instead of me
People are less likely to take a suggestion seriously from someone who intentionally antagonizes them. Many people have given you legitimate counterpoints and concerns with your suggestion that don't have anything to do with simply not wanting others to be able to change their usernames.
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I just wish people would focus on the actual suggestion instead of me !== Omg I'm so surprised people are focusing on me instead of the actual discussion
And I've added counterpoints to all of them, which some of them still don't support.
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If you wanted them to focus on your suggestion you wouldn't antagonize them. At least some part of you draws satisfaction from annoying others. Like combatbeard said:
Just take note of how different it would have been without the last line in your original post
Do you honestly think you would have gotten the same or worse response if you didn't add that line?
You only gave speculative solutions, they could help but it is not certain. Which is why people won't support them since it's possible you are wrong.
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Yes, I think so. Because I've seen this suggestion being shot down many times, so I definitely think it would have the same or worse responses, they just wouldn't be about me.
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Assholes will disagree with suggestion 1.
How agreeable of you to allow people to have an opinion without being immediately judged for their opinion, in a thread where you specifically ask people for their opinions. /s
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All I want is a way to go back to my previous username as soon as I can, because my OCD drives me insane when I see "rafaelgs18" here and "revilheart" on literally every other social media I have an account in.
Why not allow us to revert back to previous usernames anytime we want then? Would you be ok with that? After all, that's an identity we've already used before. Or at least allow support to change our usernames when needed, through ticket.
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Ok, I get it. It's not even that relevant for me, since I really just want to do this one change and then I'll probably never change again. But I just wanted to include the people who do want to change often to the suggestion. I could honestly care less how long it takes, as long as I can get rid of this name as soon as possible.
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I don't really see the point of the often change of usernames.
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I wouldn't personally use it, since I just want to get back to my old username. But I don't see any problem with allowing other people to do so.
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yeah, I agree, the only negative side might be that some users might mess with people that way, say something then changing pic and name, like a tf2 spy :) but that's really nothing serious
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Assholes will disagree with suggestion 1.
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