Xbox ONE (AKA Vhs HD) and PS4 without retrocompatibility, what do you think about it?

Xbox (x86) to Xbox 360 (PowerPC) to XbOne (x86)

And keep the cycle spinning around...

your point being?...

It´s like a hacked ps3 maybe, hacked ps3 can load psp games as i see and ps1 and ps2 games so i maybe belive in the next time ps4 can do the same, and the good point is not online all the time and second hand , but i´m not aganist the new xbox

and?

does that include games you already bought on psn stores?

Im sorry, but Halo 1 was an exclusive of the Xbox and then Gearbox did the (BAD) port to pc..

To be honest, I doubt that. Don't know about the release of last batch of consoles (ps3/x360) as I wsan't really into buying pc's at that moment. But I am going to do a near complete upgrade of my system soon, budget is about a bit over 400 (€), but it will probably be slightly better than then the new generation consoles (mosty GPU wise).

So no, I don't agree with you on that (I also disagree with the $200 for surpassing, but Cheeseburgermafia is pointing to upgrading as far as I understand).

Comparable to a PS4:

119.99 - AMD FX-6100

46.99 - 8GB DDR3 RAM

159.99 - AMD Radeon HD 7850

54.99 - ASRock 960GM/U3S3 FX AM3+ AMD 760G SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard

59.99 - Western Digital WD Blue WD5000AAKX 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM

39.99 - APEVIA ATX-CW500WP4 500W ATX Power Supply

Currently, this will all run you about 500 USD at today's prices. By the time the PS4 comes out, this price will be lower.

I would overclock the video card. The reason is because while the PS4 is using a 7870 instead of a 7850, it is not a full 7870. So a small overclock will match/beat the PS4. Going with a 7870 would add 100 USD, and I would go for this personally. You get twice higher performance, the VRAM, and three games with the card: Far Cry 3 Blood Dragon, Bioshock Infinite, and Tomb Raider. 124.97 on Steam. If you wanted these games anyway, consider this a more powerful card for 25 USD less.

The PS4 is using a custom 8-core CPU running at 1.8GHz. While it is 8-core, this is about 54% the speed of the 6-core CPU I have selected. The PS4 will have a small advantage when using at least 6 cores, but will be a distant second place the rest of the time.

The RAM I picked is fairly standard. As system RAM has very little impact on gaming performance, I did not go with anything super-expensive, and I do this with my own normal builds.

There are cheaper hard drives available, but I like Western Digital. WD Black are better, but at a 15 USD price increase. I would definitely go for this due to four times the cache size.

The motherboard may seem weak as hell, but we don't need better than this to support our PS4-ish parts. The chosen video card can't saturate a PCI-E 2.0 slot, so why would we need PCI-E 3? As for max supported RAM speed, this is of little concern. RAM speed has very little effect on gaming performance. We more than make up for it with the CPU and GPU. This motherboard also supports 16GB, twice a PS4, so you can always add more to improve multitasking performance greatly. I have yet to hear about the PS4 allowing you to play HD games on monitor 1, watch videos on monitor 2, and browse the web on monitor 3.

For the PSU, 500w is plenty for this build. We're not using SLI or Crossfire for dual-GPU support, so we only need one 6-pin pci-e connector.

We don't have an SSD, because the PS4 doesn't have one. I recommend you add a 120gb one during a sale, and they are frequent. Even regular price, you'll barely pay more than a dollar per gigabyte. You'll want your OS and your most frequently played games on an SSD. You'll be able to load your games from internal storage over seven times faster than a PS4.

Expect back-to-school sales to produce great prices for these or comparable parts. Starting today with keeping your eyes open for great prices, you could assemble the parts for around 350 by Christmas. Make it 550 for the suggested upgrades if you want to beat a PS4 at launch rather than just barely outmatch it.

Keep in mind that you can also upgrade these parts later on. The Motherboard will hold you until PS5. The CPU probably will, as console price has never been because of the CPU, and you can also overclock your CPU with help from a simple low-cost cooler upgrade. The hard drives will also be fine, but I believe the next-next-gen consoles will begin carrying SSD drives or whatever comparable technology we'll have by then. Just upgrade the video card, which for first-week console matching is usually around 250 USD, and you're set. You can also re-sell your old parts to offset the cost of your upgrades.

Considering how limited a console is for software compared to a PC, simply price- and performance-matching a PC still gives the advantage to the PC due to upgrades and hardware/software mod-ability. A console -must- justify its limitations to be worth its price. For the common gamer, a console is the clear winner. For someone who knows what they're doing, a PC today will outperform at an equal price point.

With the next-gen consoles coming out, we will see consoles with weaker performance than PCs on launch-day for the first time.

I suspect this will be the last generation that will feature non-upgradeable consoles. If you look into HTPC media center PCs, you'll see the form that I think consoles will take. Very simple design, easily upgradeable parts inside.

Pretty much this.

Sadly what the planned redundancy of technology, inbuilt by companies to make you buy more shit, does to something like videogames is basically rob you of your ability to play certain games, many of which are classics.

Imagine if, for example, instead of just selling books, publishers also sold eyes. These eyes could read only books they had published. Later, they develop a new set of eyes, which is lucky because yours are starting to fail. Some of their old books will be made available for the new eye format, but you'll have to buy them again - and many will not be available at all and your old copies will be entirely unreadable by your new eyes. Suddenly, you won't be able to pull down that yellow-paged, dusty old copy of that book you love written decades ago. That's how I feel about the lack of support from companies for allowing people to play their old videogames.

PC emulation is an answer, but the computer you'd need to run something like PS3 emulation now would have to be IMMENSE, essentially your console breaks in five or six years and you still need to wait the same again, if not more, before an affordable PC can run a reduced frame-rate version of the game you used to play just fine.

Backwards compatibility solves that issue, and in the case of PS4, while PS3 may be an issue it would be quite simple for a company as huge as Sony, with the resources both technological and human at their disposal, to allow a software emulation of old PS1 and PS2 titles from their original disc based media.

Sadly, this takes away their ability to get money for old rope and so they sell it to you as a rebranding or an upgrading and peddle endless HD rehashes or sell titles on PSN and tell you downloading and DRM is the future!

And yes, I am cynical about the upcoming generation of consoles - and I am speaking as a primarily, at least formerly, console gamer.

tl;dr - I moan about planned redundancy in technology a lot and explain how the current solutions are shite and companies should have more respect for the developers and the awesome games they produce instead of milking them like fat fucking cash cows.