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I don't understand.

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He's just drunk, don't mind him.

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PES is Konami.

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EA have been extremely aggressive with signing deals with clubs and leagues this year, and it has meant we can't implement major European stadiums, including NO Spanish stadiums. People were getting worried when they announced exclusive deals with Spanish teams. Well it turned out it meant we couldn't implement their stadium, amongst others.

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Well. They should have paid for that licenses. I did no see any outcry when Konami signed the UEFA League exclusivity contract.

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but they can pay because of EA. It is same as with Porsche licenses which also own EA - so some game developers had to remove Porsche cars from existing games (for example GTR2)

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Well EA paid, EA can profit from them. As easy as that.

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It is not EA fault (I assume, but EA can pay also black money for uniqueness of this license) but fault of FIFA association. It is the STUPIDEST thing they can do, selling only one license. Word as "monopoly" probably does not exist for them.
Imagine for example fps games and their gun licenses. So for example BI will buy licenses for Heckler & Koch guns and other games will not be able to do it too... Isnt that retarded? But yeah, we see this stupidness also in F1 and so on.

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Well .. EA gonna EA :P

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It's about the licence-lockout situation in football games.

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To be honest, stadium is last thing I'm concerned about when playing digital football.

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Mods.

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"Adding to the licensing woah, Stadium editor has been removed."
And slowly they take all the mod possibilities out of PES, well done EA.

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I remember the good old days where if firms couldn't afford to license player and club names, they simply changed a letter or two and that was deemed good enough.

Step forward Lional Messy, Cristiana Rinaldo and Woyne Roaney...

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Good olde Castolo. And the Merseyside Red or the West London White. Go, West London White! Go!

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lol

Screw the West London Whites.

It's West Midlands Village all the way for me.

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Merseyside Blue were so good the club they were the unlicensed version of stole their badge for this season...

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i miss Rolando. :(

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LOL that reminds me of the sega genesis with Donadona instead of Maradona.

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Football associations, leagues, clubs and players put out exclusive rights to their likenesses and stadia in the oh-so-honourable pursuit of making shit-tons of money and this is EA's fault?

EA pay for the licences, a lot of other people more ruthlessly money-grubbing than EA issue them. Konami blaming EA for being 'aggressive' in their negotiations is using anti-EA zeitgeist to complain about a rival doing better business than them.

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EA is the game company that pushed and abused the one-company exclusive rights tactic in sports games. Don't forget what they did when Madden faced legitimate competition from NFL2K5 (a game that some critics were saying was better than that year's Madden). Rather than try to compete, EA went to the NFL and NCAA and convinced them that it would be in their best interests to grant exclusive licenses to only one game company, EA itself. (EA even used NFL2K5's price as part of its argument, saying that the game's lower price was an example of an unsuitable company lowering the value of the NFL brand.)

And EA benefited from that agreement for nearly a decade, at least until the NCAA lawsuit threw a wrench into the works. And Madden as a game has trundled along with minor improvements, because EA didn't have to worry about any real competition forcing them to fight to hold their marketshare.

It might be worth noting that EA has been in the news for the last few years for flat out recycling versions of FIFA, with versions for the Wii and Vita pretty much literally being nothing but graphics and roster updates, sold as new full-price games.

I wouldn't be surprised if the issues with the NCAA deal are why EA is trying to lock down licenses for FIFA.

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What EA does with their rights once they have them concerning. Their aggressive negotiations in obtaining exclusive rights, and encouraging the practice, and what they do with those rights is concerning. I don't defend what EA do, and as gamers we should all be concerned, but are Konami really that much whiter than white that they can go crying about it? They're not some tiny indie dev being bullied by the big boys! I don't use the "It's business!" excuse for EA...well, at all! But when both teams are playing by the same rules it kind of applies. I don't remember Konami moaning when they got the rights to the 'Champions League' licence for PES?

In these circumstances it is not Johnny Customer who is doing the complaining. This is a rival company, offering a rival product, moaning in advance about how EA didn't level the playing field for them. True, that's a legitimate enough business tactic but I don't like a company trying to convince me that some Big Bad Corp. is responsible for their half-arsed product. As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, PES, and others, used to make do with just-enough-to-get-away-with-it changed player and club names and unofficial grounds and it was a great game, a FIFA-beater, back then.

At the end of the day, the need for greed has not merely been the product of EA. Other big publishers, developers and distributors have played their part too, Konami being one of them. If they want to dig themselves into these little greed graves they shouldn't expect sympathy from me when they get buried.

As for me, I'll get both games in two years time when they're £2 each in my local independent games retailer's bargain bin!

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It isn't really a rival company moaning, though. It is a rival company telling concerned consumers what will be missing from the next game and why it will be missing. The post doesn't denounce EA or even imply that it is a Big Bad Corp. It just mentions that the PES team realized that they need to fight harder on license issues in the future.

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So, because they can't implement rain they bring the licensing shit to blame EA? lol

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Always easier just to blame EA for everything!!!

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Yeah, this isn't EA's fault. They simply acted first and they acted better. Get off your anti-EA hatewagon. It's starting to smell.

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+1

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People love hating on EA for getting exclusive licenses, instead of blaming the companies/conglomerates that sell them the exclusive rights. They choose to make their licensing rights exclusive.

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So buy FIFA.

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Still better than Valve.

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most of that guys thread is about the lack of weather effects. (also a license issue? did EA now licensed weather? i've lost track already)
but don't blame EA for that, blame the whole world as it currently exists.

apple sued a very, very small german manufacturer (basically just one woman) of cups and other small stuff, because the cups got a red, non bitten apple on it. true story.

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A third of the thread is about the lack of rain (which has nothing to do with EA.)

Another third is about various license issues. EA's more aggressive approach to soccer licensing locked them out of using various stadiums. The thread claims that they found out late, and didn't have time to make replacements, and that they also had to cut the Stadium editor. Another license issue is that they've had to remove some teams.

The rest is about how they want to make the game good, and want people to know in advance what they will and will not be getting in the next game.

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competition is a b####, ain't it?

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Yep, which would also be why EA likes to throw money around to avoid competition as much as possible.

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TL;DR?

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pretty much, ea did exclusive licenses with certain teams so PES couldn't sign with them awell

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Meh all the stadiums looks the same anyway

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Half Life 3 is VOLVO's secret.

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I'd probably be really upset about no rain on PES if I actually knew what a PES was.

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