PS4 has a super clear crisp picture of the rock monster which shows the most drastic difference. Unless the PC has fog enabled which made the rock monster look blurry PS4 looks better than the PC in the unreal comparison. I wonder if it took 8 GB of GDDR5 to render the rock monster with that much detail.
Also PC does win the video comparison with frost particles physics which is just as noticable as the lack of clarity of the PC's rock monster in the static comparison
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Clear? PS4 version barely looks any better than Oblivion with HD textures. PC doesn't have "fog", it imitates focal lense effect found in cameras. Also, I can't help but laugh at anyone thinking RAM somehow equals dedicated much faster card memory...
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GDDR5 does equal faster video memory for APU's such as PS4 by improving performance by more than 20 percent. Someone should do there required reading
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/memory-bandwidth-scaling-trinity,3419-6.html
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Yup, someone should do reading as they know nothing about the topic. GDDR 5 or not, dedicated memory directly connected to video processor on card will always be orders or magnitude faster than shared memory pool with generic bus consoles use for everything. It's like pointing on garbage truck with aluminium rims and claiming it's sport car as these have aluminium rims too. Also, you're not seriously thinking all 8 GB is used for graphics, do you?
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Is there any way to be sure until the system is released? I know very little about this sort of thing, but it seems wasteful to not capitalize on the shared memory if you're going to force your CPU to use GDDR5.
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For APU's such as PS4 the shared 8 GB GDDR5 RAM is most likely going to allocate the bare minimun for CPU RAM and leave the majority for GPU memory. However, it is very difficult to determine whether developers will capitalize on the left over GDDR5 RAM available for the GPU.
Althought i thought the reason why the textures for the rock monster, pillars, walls look better on the PS4 than on PC was because the PC was being limited by the 2 GB or 4 GB GDDR5 memory from the nVIDIA GeForce GTX 680
A good comparison to determine whether developer's capitilize on PS4's GDDR5 memory would be in GTA V which is highly optimized for large amounts of video memory and multi core CPUs
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I can't see it. In modern PCs, normal ram outweighs video ram for a reason - all things that make game need to be put in it, such as levels, position of enemies, physics, music, etc. Trying to make console where bare minimum of ram is allocated to CPU is good way to make video player, not interactive entertainment.
As for texture looking better, again, it's not. Lack of postprocessing on PS4 makes it looks "sharp", but at the same time it's highly unnatural because it doesn't function in a way our brain expects all lens-based pictures (such as generated by our eyes) to behave. Once you see it in motion, not on still picture, you'll see why.
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The thing is - modern graphic card has memory allocated exclusively to it connected with very fast, wide connection to GPU, engineered to maximize the card potential. In case of memory connected to both GPU and CPU, as the PS4 one seem to be, we need tradeoff - either we use connection like these found in video cards, which would be even larger, more expensive and wasted on most things put in ram, or more likely, normal ram bus, which would be slower and waste some potential of GPU in return for system having affordable price. You can't have both, it's like trying to combine truck (normal PC ram) with F1 car (video ram).
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PS4 has better details than PC in the first 2 comparisons and rock monster comparisons unless your PC fanboy
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You can't see the lack of ice and frost on the PS4 pictures? Also the rock rubble on the ground looks a lot worse on PS4.
The rock monster looks "better" because PS4 seems to be missing the depth of field effect. If you look at the close-up of the hand, you can see that the textures actually look a bit worse on PS4, but that's most likely due to lack of blurring. On the head close-up you can again see that PC has some blurring, which makes the textures look a bit worse on PC, but in fact are pretty much the same quality.
Good thing that consoles are catching up with PCs a bit.
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there is less ice and frost on PS4 but why is there a lot of depth of field being used on the PC. Depth of field should be used only for aiming down sights of a gun and very large draw distances. An explaination for the rock monster is that the blurriness was from the heat given off from the rock monster. However, the blurriness of the pillars and walls for the first 2 comparisons is a mystery.
Another theory is PC is using FXAA antialiasing which blurs everything and not just sharp edges like MSAA would.
This may be a prefrence thing but FXAA and depth of field seem to decrease contrast and blur the image. Both effects decrease performance and result in not so crisp image quality
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+1
Now, the PS4 version is pretty nice, lets get that out of the way, its in no ways bad and probably beats many PC rigs currently since not everyone upgrades an a yearly basis but to say it looks better then the PC version is lol worthy.
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do you know why the rock monster almost always looks a lot better on PS4 then on PC? i was thinking the 8 GB GDDR5 shared RAM allowed ultra HD textures to be used and the 2 GB or 4 GB GDDR5 of the GTX 680 was not enought therefore the colors and monster detail looked washed
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No it does not, you have a bad eye if you think so, the difference is that you can't make out the details as well due to the EFFECTS(DOF, Particles, better lighting, etc...) being used on the PC version which the PS4 apparently cant handle while rendering all that detail.
Again you might like it without those effects, so you see the PS4 version more pleasing to the eyes but by a technical standpoint the PC one is superior.
What you think looks better is up for discussion/opinion, but if we are going to go by a technical standpoint its really not....PS4 shots look worse, look at the Lava photo, picture of the doors, etc...
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Although it's most likely a question for developer's of the unreal 4 engine. Why can't PC provide all those effects without washing away color and detail?
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Its most likely there, its just the effects cover it, if I was playing the game I could probably go really up close to that rock guy and see him in more detail.
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Depth of field should not be used in every circumstance like the PC did. Image quality goes down for every place depth of field is used. FXAA does blur everything. So if image quality and performance decrease why would anyone enable depth of field and FXAA. The whole depth of field setting seems counter productive, producing crisp images then blurring then does not make sense.
Someone forgot to do their required reading on FXAA. FXAA does blur everything.
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Uh, your own eyes apply Depth of Field to everything. Look it up, humans normally can only focus on one plane at a time, that's why you see so much effort to replicate it in movies and video games. It just looks more realistic and immersive to our brain, since it's how it perceives world from very birth. "Sharp" is good for stills, not good cinematics.
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The first two pictures look better on the PS4 side, but everything after that pales in comparison to the PC.
It's pretty obvious they either disabled or had to severely limit the dynamic lighting on the PS4 end of things.
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Damn, in the door open picture with the fog, the difference is massive, PS4 was scaled down so much. This goes into a tad more detail and apparently the biggest difference is where the PS4 is awful with physics compared to the PC, can't exactly be viewed on a static screenshot(s) such as these. Nevertheless, PS4 looks to be a good jump from PS3.
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Ask and ye shall receive - side by side video comparison.
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The one on the right should be the PC one, since that video was from last year (PS4 dev kits weren't available at that time)
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I think PC looks more real than PS4. PC looks more blurry and have more depth of field than PS4. PS4's images are so clear it doesn't look so real anymore.
Anyway, I think it depends on the devs how the port would be. Whether it could bring the most of each machines' potential or not.
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well, I always said that the PS3 had excesive light/shadows in all the games... PS4 too... damn, well there are two styles, I prefer the PC for enviroment and PS4 for characters...
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Yeah, thats what i thought when i saw the pics. More like lighting differences rather than graphical...
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i dont know, but it looks kinda like thei disabled some stuff on the pc.
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I still think that the PS4 is going to have a hard time convincing the general public to upgrade from the 360 or PS3's graphics or those of the Wii U's with what it has going for it. (Especially if, as is expected, the Nextbox is weaker than the PS4 and forces multiplats to lower the power needed for their games so that they can run on it and the Wii U, similarly to how the PS1 severely held back the Nintendo 64's multiplats and the PS2 held back the Gamecube's and Xbox's)
If Sony keeps up with it's string of exclusives that it has had recently, it won't be much of a problem, but considering how many of the announced games for the PS4 also will be released for the PC, PS3, X360 and/or Wii U (i.e. Watch Dogs), I haven't met many people convinced that they should consider it when those options seem to be better financially.
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Oh look. The console versus PC debate again. This horse isn't beaten yet.
Consider this: New technologies are released for the PC in rapid succession. Even people who aren't enthusiasts who aren't incapable are able to upgrade to the latest and greatest.
A console can never be upgraded. It can be modified, but that's not exactly an "improvement to performance overall." What is released in the specs for the PS4 right now are great for consoles, but PCs have, and always will outshine a console, for all intents and purposes. What a console has over a PC is that it's specifically built for what it does, so you can count on it to have few freezes, bits of lag, and what have you. On the PC, performance is based on your hardware, how much you have running in the background, and the overall health of your PC.
But that's just a theory. A hardware theory.
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Why is this being brought up yet again? PCs will ALWAYS be better than consoles, there's no debate about it. That doesn't mean that consoles are any less fun to play (me I like my mouse and keyboard much better than a controller, but that's just me).
If you want the best looks or prefer playing with a mouse and keyboard, go for PC, if you prefer playing with a controller, go for console. It's as simple as that.
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