the blue line shows the regular price. They raised the regular price just for the sale so that they could give a bigger percentage discount for a higher price. Different governments may have regulations that govern the usage of 'regular price' and 'discounted price' and other sales tactics. How much they can change, or what percentage of a year they must be listed at a certain price to be able to claim that it is their regular price, etc.
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Yeah! Lube up, consumers! Bend over, open wide, and grit your teeth!
What sort of imbecile would try and complain against bullshit anti-consumer practices? Get him, boys...
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All depends who you put the blame on.
The companies stupid enough to try and exploit consumers, or the consumers stupid enough to fall for it EVERY SINGLE TIME. With a little research before spending your hard earned cash (a tough thing to do when you're looking at pretty pictures that you absolutely must have, I know)... consumers can not only protect themselves, but they also hurt the companies trying to fuck them over through lack of sales. Their wallets. Which frankly, is the only thing most companies understand anyways.
Instead, we stage these "let's get everyone together" topics, shift ALL of the responsibility away from the consumer, send a "message" to the company that they'll likely never hear and ultimately accomplish nothing because the consumers are the same unaware buffoons they were two days ago... just waiting for the next company to turn and take advantage of them. And they always do, every single time.
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Well, I take these threads as a PSA, and often add the miscreants to my mental greylist of dodgy companies, so from that perspective they are helpful. This certainly doesn't seem like any sort of "toddler angst" thread...
Personally I do vote with my wallet, and [probably somewhat naively] imagine that others on the thread may do too! It's threads like this that give people a heads up, and a chance to look into what is going on and make their own minds up - I just don't see the harm of bringing skullduggery (which would otherwise be successfully hushed up) to a wider audience :)
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I agree, there's nothing particularly offensive about this thread.
But those "toddler angst" threads are all to common. Can you imagine how many reports are likely made to various commissions and the BBB because a game is "too short" and they didn't get a refund? How about the game's too easy? Too difficult? Too buggy (while conveniently not acknowledging potential issues on their end)?
When the consumers are truly willing to educate themselves, and stop crying wolf, is when I'll give them the benefit of the doubt over the developers. Until then, I'll make sure I'm protected by making educated decisions with my hard earned cash... and to hell with the rest of you.
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I hate when in EU2 region, prices are more expensive. Just talking about some games that cost you more in EU2 than in EU1 and sometimes otherwise, not about "only summer sale price rise".
I thought is normal thing rising prices for products, here in Spain a lot for stores do it when putting something on offer, so the resulting price is higher than it should be, but never saw Steam doing shit like this.
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Mediamarkt sells here thing 30€ more than normal price, GPUs for 100€ more, etc(specially to PC stuff), but this are their normal prices, if they're increase it even more, that would be bad the resulting offer would be like 5€ better than normal price, so it's like not paying for shipping, happened to several stores, since I never buy on Mediamarkt because even normal prices are ultra expensive there, I was thinking about other stores like pccomponentes, they do stuff like daily offers, normally there goes bad brand stuff or other stuff that practically nobody buys, sometimes they clearly up the price to make resulting offer better to them, also since shipping is free a lot of ppl buy these stuff, but good we have Google Shopping, so I can check when they lie or not, and as I see is like 99% of cases is not worth buying their daily offers.
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I,for one,haven't seen a single game that differs in price between the 2 EU regions.maybe the enhanced steam is lying,i can't really tell,since i'm in EU2,and have no idea exactly which countries are in EU1,and could phuckin care less tbh,thus i'm not wasting time with vpns just to obtain a pointless piece of info like that(and let's be honest with ourselves,we can't change jack about it-if ya want legal games,put out-that's exactly what they count on)!
Either that,or i'm not looking in the right direction.
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For example:
Infestation: Survivor Stories
Spanish store page 13€
German store page 5€
Left 4 Dead 2:
Spanish store 14€
German store 20€
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welp,I've forgone the country code checking from almost the day one;the reason behind it being major discrepancies in pricing between regions for a very long time. . .hence i've stopped shopping on steam and it's been quite some time since i last bought anything,with seeking game codes elsewhere.
but,fair enough and tnx for the heads up.btw,are there any more documented cases like these?
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I laughed so hard seeing in Region 2 Monaco, Norway and Italy. San Marino and Vatican City are certainly not poor countries as well.
And Spain + Portugal deal right now with serious recessions, so they are certainly much less rich then before.
BTW where is Iceland ?
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It's a shame, because XSEED has a history of making quality localizations for good games that would otherwise see no release outside of Japan.
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"lets see how Valve handles this" .. actually this is not about Valve.. they don't decide the prices and discounts to be applied.
The fact that the price was raised isn't illegal in any way.. especially when the prices were raised without any discount for a few days before any discount was applied to it. They have every right to change their prices whenever they see fit, just like you have the right to not like it but nobody is forcing you to buy their games in these circumstances either.
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Kill and eating animals is legal on every country. But guess what? That doesn't make it right. So yeah... It SHOULD be legal to do that since they have the rights of their own products. You have nothing.
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That depends on the country. Marking-up to mark-down can be illegal, since the advertised "Sale" can fall under false advertising rules. Some countries have stronger consumer-protection laws than others, as do some US states. And some big-box stores have been sued for price manipulation such as this because they were selling in areas where this was illegal, even though it wasn't their home territory.
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« All we need is fair prices for every region and what they did was a price raise before summer sale, to give higher discounts in the sale and then they out the prices back to normal. Nice from them, isn't it? »
How about the usual 1:1 ratio for dollar and euro prices where europeans have to pay 30% more expensive than americans ? Did you make a thread about that ?
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Memoria was like 40€ in Germany, but 20$ in the US. I know, it's 20€ now (which is still bad), but it was that expensive for quite a while. needless to say, it's like 8$ in Russia.
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Looks more like another sale app error, where the sale info entered into the discount app made the base price do euro = usd 1:1 then apply discount. Being in a region where games cost more than every where else I see it a lot where suddenly I have the base price of another region with the discount added to the game. And you have to enter in your possible discounts a head of time for summer sale as you arent told when it will go on sale only that your impending discount will be applied if your on daily or flash etc.
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And for the big sales, isn't it Valve who enters the actual pricing and the devs/publishers just say what they are willing to do? I know a few devs implied as much and they would have to contact Valve to fix pricing issues for the sale.
We know Valve was entering in stuff for the sale days in advance, so it's also not impossible that it was Valve's blunder, not XSEED's. To be honest, that is the more likely cause because XSEED is definitely the last company I'd look at as being greedy.
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A lot of games were 66% off and not 75% off. Was weird.
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It sucks (although the game is shit anyway) but I believe Activision was standardising some of their prices. Some other games that were cheaper for us previously (Ice Age & Transformers for example) also had increases in prices. On the flip side, Prototype 2 got reduced in price to the same base price as the States, while numerous CoD games finally got their price cuts.
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See instead of this you should have asked SteamPrices first...
They had many errors during the summer sale which mostly are increases in game prices. Instead of your way I asked them with email and they kindly replied that it is known bug in "their" system that some prices seem to gone up where there's no real price change on Steam or Steam-Steamprices misrepresenting prices due pack and bundle prices. If you had checked game prices on Steam instead of solely relying on Steamprices you could have seen that...
If you like, ask them yourself or me for a sent email forward...
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It was made possible to change prices directly from partner site instead of sending email to Valve.
So I'd say it was made less complex which lead to this. They even posted Youtube tutorial for changing prices. (it's private, so you won't find it with search)
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Sorry for confusion since they made many mistakes in the form I mentioned, I assumed it was one of them without knowing the depth of your knowledge. Their general mistake was raising prices as of it was bundle prices where it really was individual games. My apologies...
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the onsale price was the same?
i mean... if the developer wanted to sell for 10 euros, it doesnt make a difference at all to have the bigger discount mark on it.
The problem would be if they give 50% discount... then raise the price and give only 50%....
that even then, it would probably be done only so the discount stamp get a regular number.
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the onsale price was the same?
i mean... if the developer wanted to sell for 10 euros, it doesnt make a difference at all to have the bigger discount mark on it.
The problem would be if they give 50% discount... then raise the price and give only 50%....
that even then, it would probably be done only so the discount stamp get a regular number.
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the onsale price was the same?
i mean... if the developer wanted to sell for 10 euros, it doesnt make a difference at all to have the bigger discount mark on it.
The problem would be if they give 50% discount... then raise the price and give only 50%....
that even then, it would probably be done only so the discount stamp get a regular number.
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Apparently Valve changed some things about how the pricing worked and this was a mistake, not intentional.
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I actually talked to a dev friend of mine about this, he said that while this isn't a moral thing to do, it isn't illegal. He also said that if he wants, he can(Theoretially because it isn't his job) change the price of his games when ever he wants. Anything you see on a game's store page is created and written by the devs, including the prices and yes, Valve can also change the prices when ever they want without even telling the devs.
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Changing the price itself is not illegal BUT through consumer law (At least in the EU) an item has to be sold at its higher price for two weeks (Aprox.) before you can take a discount saving on it. So if they wanted to do a discount it would of had to have been from the lower price which would make the offer seem worse than at the higher price
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I do agree that it isn't impossible this was Valve's doing as well. We know Valve inputs the sale prices for the summer sale. We also know they were preparing in advance for it and screwed up with other sales. What's to say when they inputted some that they messed up the regular pricing as well? And then the publisher is correct that it was difficult to change back and getting assistance was delayed thanks to sale prep.
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So they are playing with the numbers, politicians do it all the time, and all we do is give them more money.
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