There have been multiple reports of people being suspended by doing that. Konrad got banned after outing himself doing it in a separate account..
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How do you think?
Using bots to enter giveaways sounds so bad, it's not even auto-GA-creator =d
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Yes, you will get suspended if you use auto-join scripts.
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Considering I just identified at least a dozen people using AutoJoin last week, I'd say not. it was updated to not spam as much. (or there is another that doesn't do it.)
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Just a heads up that, other than the 24h suspend, you'll also get a lot of blacklists for using autojoin scripts.
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For example if users of those script create threads about them not working properly.
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i found some users as they joined alot of my giveaways with the same thank you message in 1 sec..
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When you see 27 "thanks" messages pop up in 90 seconds, it is not that difficult to tell. :)
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do you open 27 tabs from the same gifter and willingly spam him? :P
bots could at least have inbuilt spam reduction...
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Back in the old days, where a thanks comment was "mandatory" - yes, I exactly did that. :P
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Tabbed one takes at least twice as much time, no matter how good your PC is. Page rendering time alone is more.
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You open every interesting looking giveaway first, then ctrl+tab through them, while spamming the mouse.
This way it's easy to make a high number of entries/comments in just a few seconds. :D
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Other addons have the ability to post a typed comment and enter with one click...
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It's slightly slower. Easy SteamGifts and the like can take 3-5 seconds per entry. If I see 10 comments in 2 minute span, I usually suspect that add-on. With this fast spam, especially when you see the pattern automatically re-emerge at point refresh intervals… It is hard to assume a user is literally sitting there constantly and waiting to enter.
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it's just sads to use an autojoin script like an enter giveaway button.
shows no respect to people that give away games here.
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people that give away games here
People give away games on this site? What nonsense is this!
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LOL, Cjcomplex and Wallister. And Mullins, headmonkey, I gots mad respect for people who give away games here. Many thanks.
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I never used the AutoJoin feature. Seemed pretty stupid and useless to me. All it does is let you join every single GA on the page. All or nothing. I just liked the Join/Leave link for each GA being on the main page. But its caching is crappy and the further you get down the Auto-page, the more it crawls, often taking several seconds to go to the next segment and sometimes failing to load the next one entirely.
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So in other words you're saying that you didn't see if the GA creator had taken the time to write a message? :3
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Well, to sort of his defence, how many times have you seen a meaningful message in a public giveaway?
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Hey! All my messages are meaningful! :P
..okay, well, no.. but I -am- interested in the answers I get to them. :$
Auto-joiners, including those that use the one-click feature, are telling me my prompts, which I -am- invested in, silly or not, are only worth spitting on. That's a deliberate insult and put-down.
Joining when a creator asks you not to, without a comment, means you think you're above their rules and considerations. But not even bothering to read at all? That means you have no respect whatsover for the creator.
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The message thing is such a weird double-edged issue. When I first joined, I left a thank you message on every GA I entered, even taking the time to do it in the language of the poster. But after seeing various users whine that generic thank yous just clogged their inboxes and were irritating to them, and realizing that many users here blacklist people for, IMO, rather petty reasons like "you irritated me", I stopped doing it. I always make a point to thank someone for a game, and to try and friend anyone I gift to or am gifted from.
So, some blacklist you cause you don't thank, and some blacklist you cause you do. I personally have never blacklisted anyone, and would be have to be hard pressed to do so. I think it's rather juvenile. But that's just me. And saying it's juvenile can get you blacklisted too. What's a boy to do. : )
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and to try and friend anyone I gift to or am gifted from.
Please don't send friend request to the gift giver. Some of us have sent a lot of games (I passed 1000 recently), and it gets a bit annoying to get friend invites so often from people who then end up just sitting there in the friends list. If you're going to send a friend request, find some way of contacting the person before you do this.
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The only time I friend-requested a gift-giver was when I needed to contact them to tell them to get a re-roll. Steam hadn't told me I'd had the game I'd won, and it didn't show up in my library, but when I tried to redeem it, it said I'd already had the item.
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I can't recall, but it was DLC for something, but Steam never told me I had it. Really odd.
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Crazy Machines 1.5 does that, for instance. all you see in your lib is this, which might let you think you don't own "Crazy Machines 1.5" (and SG doesn't recognize it, and Steam doesn't show it as "in library" on the store page):
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They had you blacklisted?
Typically you want to bring the request up in the giveaway first, if only since that's the first place staff checks for confirmation that the reroll is requested, and it saves the hassle of making a screenshot and validating it.
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Agreed. I only send them to gift winners. And after sending the gift, I tell them that I'll keep them added, since I trade cards and games occasionally, if that's ok with them.
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First - I didn't ask about whether you should write generic thanks on GAs. It's kinda annoying especially when as a creator, you write some paragraph about something, and people respond with, "Thanks!" Hell, I could write a paragraph about how I don't want someone to write thanks on a GA unless they win it, and I'd still get people writing thanks.... because people don't read and have auto-joiners that even leave automated thanks on the GAs. That's why people get irritated, especially if they have 30+ active GAs running, and then suddenly someone joins them and gets 30 times "Thanks!" in the space of a minute.
Just because you haven't had a reason to yet, doesn't mean it's juvenile to blacklist people. Example - group of people start to harass a member of SG being completely insulting and degrading and outright mean... in public, on the forums. Juvenile of me to blacklist them because I don't want to give games away to people who tell someone they hope someone smashes their teeth out and they die.
Sure you may not agree with all reasons, but that doesn't make those reasons juvenile. Blacklists and whitelists are personal.
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You're right, I think that's a good differentiation. What I should have said is that I think blacklisting people because they irritated you or said something you don't like or agree with seems rather petty to me. Not that you do it, or that I know of specific examples of someone who has. It's just the inference I made after reading a lot of cases of "I blacklisted so and so for x". I can imagine cases where I'd just want someone out of my hair, or feel that they did nothing but take with no intention or even desire to give.
I've gone through today and commented on a view. I've been trying to notice multiples by same person and only do it for one of them, unless I have something more I feel like saying, usually joke about something or post something interesting. I like banter and things that cheer me up and hopefully others. And on all my GA's I put in the effort to post something tangentially related the GA game in some way. The people who comment (far less than a tenth of one percent of total entrants), usually do so with more than a thanks, more often with a reaction to the description.
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As a creator of mass gifts, that is my preferred method as well for thanking. If they have a bunch, I thank them for all of them typically on one of the GAs .. I prefer the same in return but whatever... Happier to receive a comment than not most of the time :-)
There are a couple other reasons that people blacklist, like they only want to give one game to one person and hence BL all winners. Not my preference but I understand it. However there are valid reasons for BLing differences of opinion. Not that I typically do, but bigotry is a common one. Doesn't matter the form. Take into consideration people boycotting a particular store or company because of bigotry. In this instance BLing is the same but even more so. You're voluntarily giving something you will get nothing back for, except maybe CV, a smile on your and their face, and perhaps something else. Why would you give something to someone who you wouldn't buy from and get some service or product?
Mostly we hear about people whining about BLs when typically they may have done something to deserve it in the eyes of the Creator of the GA. That's why I see them as personal and don't get involved in people's BL drama for the most part.
Anyways, just things to consider when someone has someone BLed. Though I do know of people who BL for imagined slights and instead of clearing it up with the person they have BLed they just hold their grudge. Perhaps for them is easier to just BL and move on. Who knows? Like I said, I don't typically get involved. :-)
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I once created a rant thread about getting thanks-spammed, that was before WL/BL feature is added.
That thread got thanks-spammed.
After a while, some mysterious forum user bumped that thread for who-knows-what reason, and me ended up in many people's BL.
So yeah. Whining about getting thanks-spammed on the forums will land you in many people's BL too.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
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But after seeing various users whine that generic thank yous just clogged their inboxes and were irritating to them,
I got almost 1600 "thanks" messages last week. 'Nuff said.
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<applause>
<bows>
We're not worthy! We're not worthy!
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Your number of entries makes this hard to believe.
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It''s not difficult. Just check a lot (being unemployed helps) and enter nothing costing more than 6-7 points, unless you REALLY hanker for the game (e.g. Talos Principle).
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I also often spend an unhealthy at least for me amount of time here on SG and try to spend all my points (although I'm probably the only crazy person here trying not to win with most GAs I enter = picking the ones with the most entries) but you managed to enter more GAs in 4 month than I did in almost 2 years (or at least since the server died and lost all stats about a year ago) which made me suspicious. To be honest I briefly had you on my Blacklist but a few minutes before you replied I took you off because I didn't feel entirely comfortable with it. You make GAs, you post stuff in most of them... I guess I'd just rather believe in the good in people and assume the title and OP were just poorly phrased.
Damn, why can things never be as easy as they seem :D
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I appreciate your reaction, and removing me. I have actually been nursing a $10 Steam Wallet card since last Christmas. All the GA's I've done have been using those funds and those gained by selling cards from GA games and promo freebie games. Back when I had a great job, and used to buy games at Steam sales—because I think I may actually like getting things more than having or using things—I bought tons of them that I've still never even played. If and when (oh please oh please) I find another real job someday, I'll give a lot more than I do. It feel good.
I'm a hermit, I almost never leave my house, I'm manic depressive, I have adhd, I'm an insomniac, I have numerous manifestations of OCD, and I have an incredibly addictive personality. So it's really not hard to manically check SG every few minutes while watching TV. Lately I've even been checking it when I wake up to pee at night, which is more often than I like now that I'm almost fifty. I haven't woken up in the middle of the night and sat down at my computer before going back to bed since the 90's when I was obsessed with online speed and postal chess and worked as a Sysop for the CompuServe Chess Forum. Wow. That seems so long ago.
I babble. It's what I do. : )
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Yea I know first hand how addictive SG (and Bundles) can be. There was a time last year when I bought (sometimes several copies of) almost every bundle (mostly the ones that offer a good price / game ratio like IndieGala Happy Hour, Daily Indie Game, or Humble Tier 1) in the misguided thought I'll get big into trading and use the rest for GAs until I realized, unless you're selling at G2A or Kinguin, there's no money to be made with trading and the gain does not justify the effort. Now I'm sitting on a huge pile of keys and am slowly giving them away without buying many new Bundles.
The same thing with time... last week I had a GA end at 2pm every day and always planned to call it quits right after I add the key but often I find myself still browsing the forums at 4 or 6pm because you alway find an interesting discussion or somthing like that.
I guess that's the downside of having so many likeminded people in one place. Long story short... I know the feeling :D
But I guess you're still in your honeymoon phase when it comes to SG :D I've noticed a lot of my positions, like for example about the preemtive Thanks changed over time.
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I just went through the GA's I've done and tallied up the number of comments made on each. The average percentage of SG users who comment isn't very high is it? Another reason I stopped doing it after learning that some people ban you for what they deem to be unnecessary, generic thank yous. But even the percentage of non-generic comments I found were statistically insignificant. And only two of the winners thanked me on the GA page (though they all did, of course, on Steam when they received the gift. Hard to imagine, in light of such numbers, why comments are an issue for anyone. I'm not referring to you specifically.
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No it's not (except for WL and sometimes group GAs or if the creator poses an interesting question).
I personally haven't blacklisted anybody for generic Thank yous yet (I just stopped writing descriptions other then how the game will be delivered on cheap GAs and games I don't care about as much) but if you ever do a big event with 50 or 100 GAs ending at the same time you will understand. You might still disagree but you will understand. Specially when you're having real conversations at the same time and don't notice those replies because they get drowned in an ocean of generic "Thank you for the chance to win this game" comments.
Also you might have gotten a Thank you from every winner so far (most likely because you were using gifts and thus added the winners) but trust me that's by far not the norm here. When you're using keys from Bundles instead of gifts it's just way faster and more convenient to send them directly over SG and then it's quite common to not get a Thank you from the winner. The reasoning behind this is normally that a lot of people consider this site a lottery and you wouldn't thank the Lottery if you won, would you ?
Also on a side-note since we keep bumping this thread you might wanna edit the Title and / or OP because I'm afraid a lot of people will read just that, go "Oh another AutoEntry script user", blacklist and move on without reading the rest of the thread.
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Good idea, thanks. I would think the Internet would make all of us more informed and less prone to snap judgement. But that does not seem to be the typical case. Baffles me, really. I think it's because we were all so quick to judge in the first place. The Internet just gives us more opportunities to show our colors. I'm as guilty as the next guy, too.
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Well, time is a finite resource. That's why with most political threads (like most recently "The bathroom bill"-thread or "Homophobia from a publisher"), I might read them and maybe post a single reply stating my opionion but I try not to get involved in such discussions on the internet because once you get started it never stops. Also those tend to turn into BL shitstorms real quick.
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Been using the "Extended Steamgifts" and "SteamGifts v2 Giveaway Filter" scripts today and they are slick and responsive. Good stuff. Huge time savers. Only one weird thing. The "Hide entered giveaways" feature doesn't work, whether I set it to Yes or to Always.
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The order of them in your Monkey addon is important. Also, if you use grid view, hiding rarely works there with other userscripts.
But if they refuse to hide them, try SG++ instead of Extended.
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I think my track record here during my short time so far speaks for itself. This is a good place. I'm poor, and been unemployed since November. But I do what I can and appreciate everyone.
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Darn, I can't find that one autojoiner's comment to quote, where they mentioned how forcing users to use the site without auto-joiners would cause everyone to leave the site, since it was unreasonable to ask people to read giveaways they enter. >_<
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Might have been in one of those threads in the SG Steam group, at least it sounds familiar with what I remember reading there.
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Here ya go I^v^I
You know, blocking autojoin scripts isn't gonna stop people from entering most of the giveaways or leeching. It will, however, make joining tedious for all users, which is a bad decision.
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See my reply above re comments. Would like input. And hope no one is still under the impression that by "script" I mean I'm using something that automates. The SG Add-Ons just improve the GUI and add cool features.
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I read your whole comment. :D
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Look, if you had one shot, or one opportunity . To seize everything you ever wanted in one moment .
Would you capture it? Or just let it slip? yo Thank You!!!! (^o^)/ Thank You for The Opportunity ó/
Hvala puno!
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24 hours if you get hit by the flood filter, as I recall. No other punishments for auto-joining afaik, other than a bump in how many blacklists they're on.
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other than a bump in how many blacklists they're on.
without admitting, hardly anybody gets caught though
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your ban?
I understood that to be directed toward the OP, who admitted several times to using the enter-from-list function, and implying they were ignoring descriptions altogether.
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ah ye, but all those thousand others, who just use it silently.. the rate is so high now, it really became most annoying in my public GAs
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Why dont we all be fair and square and forbid all scripts ?!
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I think there may be some confusion here about the word "script". The SG Add-On Tools don't automate anything. They are not a "script" in the sense as say, the VB or CS varieties. They aren't scripted macros of automated actions. They are snippets of code that add functionality to the SG interface.
The Firefox Add-on that I spoke of in my OP has a "Auto-join all GA's button", but I never used it. Who would ever want to do that? Just arbitrarily join whatever was on the list till points were out, regardless of cost, or odds of winning?
I managed to enter just as many GA's before I found out about add-ons as I do now. It just took a bit longer. And every time I rack up another buck in my Steam Wallet, I do another GA, just like I did last night.
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I only use something like Quick Join from SG++ script. It only enables me to join the GA without entering the thread. I think it's more than convenient enough as I can scan what I join.
Autojoin joins everything including DLC no? If so (since I never use it), that wastes the points.
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I have been using this add-on for a few weeks. At first I liked it, but it's a resource hog and only has a couple of features, both of which break some other built-in SG feature. Today I finally realized that SG Add-Ons Registry Tools exist and after trying them, immediately ditched Auto-Join.
The most-recent review of the add-on claims that the user was banned on SG for using it. Does anyone know if that is likely, or even possible? My review on that site is under the same account name I have here..
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