You can recognize them by the Have: Game X and also want Game X. They're posting the same games for trade, but they also want some of them also given in trade.They only speculate prices of games and ruin the market. Their posts generally include long lists of trash games with a few ones that are worth anything. They want humble gift links mostly so they can store them and trade later. Disgusting

Example:
[H] Northgard - 10 keys
and then on their wishlist
[W] Northgard (humble link only)

This is where my post sparked from. I was trying to get that game, but somehow from the 2-4$ it was worth after the bundle split, now they're sharking it at 20+$ and hoarding the humble links from everyone else that might have it and would want a fair trade, just so they could get profits and scam people. They're at the same time selling the game for Paypal or keys, and also buying it from anyone who's got it as a humble link for probably under 5$

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This is Steamgifts, not Steamtrade and Steamtrade has no mods, the mods here won't do anything there.

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SteamTrades has always been a hot [and unmoderated] mess, even before it was officially abandoned.
If you want to address matters involving SteamTrades, you should consider communication methods which approach cg more directly.
The SG community itself can't do anything, and is pretty burnt out with the overfamilarity of bumping up against that other site's issues.
(Moreover, the behavior in question is not a violation of ST rules, so they wouldn't get bans even if the site was moderated.)

Rather, if you're fed up with the issues of ST, you should really consider utilizing Barter.vg. One aspect of that site's wide range of superior features and support [relative to ST] is the site providing you with the option to block specific users, which can quickly help minimize encounters with exploitative users. While my experience with it is limited to when it was new and not recommendable, Lestrades may also be a viable alternative option by this point.

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Happy cakeday! :D

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Happy cakeday!

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Officially abandoned? What happened?

Happy cake day!

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Sorry, I can't seem to find an official announcement or statement from that period at the moment.
I summarized my knowledge of the event in my response just a bit further below.

Note that I'm utilizing "officially abandoned" to mean "an official statement, which indicates a lack of future support and updates".
Just to cut off anyone wanting to nitpick that cg never used the precise word "abandoned" or the like. :P

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Wait, i thought ST and SG have the same mods under one management ?

My whole life is a lie :O

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cg made both sites, but ever since I joined SG back in 2015 there was no meaningful connection between the two sites, nor any moderation for ST. Others have indicated that there wasn't any support for trading matters preceeding that point, either. Further, while the site had basically never received any meaningful updates during the period to begin with, some time back cg made a final update which made ST user-moderated and then indicated he wouldn't be providing any further updates or support for the site aside from basic server maintainence.

As such, the only connection between the sites is cg himself (all the more so, now that all major links and references to ST have been removed from SG), and ST is effectively an abandoned site. There's also been a strong push from both SG support and community to not discuss SteamTrades matters on SG (at least, in any way other than how one would normally discuss any other abandoned, unrelated, and issue-prone site).

Well, not that the site encouraged such discussion even back when ST was active. It was always indicated to be entirely separate from SG, but its ever-more-emphasized "lawless wasteland" vibe has brought it somewhat in line with the perspective the community has towards G2A, in that SG's community both avoids bringing the site up and criticizes the site whenever does happen to be mentioned.

Basically, a gerneral shift among responses favoring a perspective of "Yeah, that's another site, but SG doesn't actually have any relationship to it. You could try Barter, if you want a good alternative." to ones favoring a perspective of "What, you still use ST? Is that really still a thing? That site is so busted. Let's not discuss that nonsense here. Just go use a better site." :P

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Ahh now i kinda understand the history and the relationship of both site. Thanks for the explanation~

It's kinda sad tho because the only trade forum i use (beside steam and reddit) is ST. I love the clean UI/UX of ST and SG and more importantly it is easy to learn and use. I tried barter.vg but its UI/UX makes me dizzy, it's just feel "old' and outdated. ST forums feels more "alive" to me. But that's just my personal preference.

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I felt the same way about barter vs. ST. Barter looks so ugly and cheap while ST looks nice and modern. But trust me, barter is vastly superior to ST. Doing things is way faster. You can accurately search for what you want. Adding a game to your trade or wishlist literally takes 1 sec. You just click a button.

Adding a game on ST can take many times longer if you plan on alphabetizing and adding steam page links for the game. Searching for games on ST is terrible. Let's say you want Hotline Miami. If you search for that it will also show all searches that include Hotline Miami 2, Hotline Miami Soundtrack, Payday 2: Hotline Miami. There's no way to specify a particular game.

I didn't like using barter at first but you will get used to it. Now it's enjoyable to use compared to ST.

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Happy cake day I guess :)

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The sharks are worse on barter.vg than steamtrades. Barter.vg is 90% sharks.

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Those mostly popped up after Barter went down for a time, so- while it has been some time now since that happened- it's still a relatively new issue (and thereby may still have a chance of eventually seeing some administration-side updates, if they can figure out any way of mitigating that trend).

That said, there's actually rather few of them, it's mostly just an issue of them being rather visible in their habits. Once you block the handful of major players, you rarely encounter any exploiters and bot users. In fact, ST'd probably be similarly managable if it also had a block feature, as it also suffers from its major exploiters simply being a lot more active and manipulative in their posting habits than normal users.

Well, it's way easier to compare and search things on Barter, so it seems rather unlikely that it'd be possible for Barter to be worse on the matter than ST overall, nevermind Barter's active moderation which helps mitigate any more overbearing situations. In fact, while some may be utilizing it differently, Barter seems designed more to be a trading resource. ST, on the other hand, seems more suited to be a marketplace advertisement board. Well, it isn't as though anyone has to strictly choose between the two sites, so "better than" arguments don't have to be emphasized too much. Barter is, at the least, certainly worth trying for anyone who hasn't done so.

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You well summed it up. If you want to trade and have any reasonable expectation of not dealing with jerks or at least being able to block them, barter.vg is the way to go.

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The sharks are worse on barter.vg than steamtrades. Barter.vg is 90% sharks.
-- cdr

And no, SteamTrades does not have any kind of Support staff.

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You'll find all the sharks from Steamtrades on Barter, they're top users. The ones that bump their trades every minute on Steamtrades but never actually trade or sell anything, they just wait for someone to offer them a lot more than what one of their games is worth.. sharks

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Happy cakeday :o)

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I found the same people from Steamtrades on Barter, i've tried that too. They only speculate prices and offer cheap games for your good or rare titles. I got a lot of offers of infinitely bundled games for my Quantum Break, The Long Dark and a few others. On the other hand if you dare to make them a counter offer with something that would be equal in value, am here I'm talking about bundle split value according to how rare a game was or how often was put in a bundle, they always find excuses or say something like "i'll pass, i want decent games, i'll wait for a better offer" So no, Barter isn't any improvement, they're literally the same, you can find those who keep bumping their trades every minute on Steamtrades, as top users on Barter. And guess what, they're not selling much, or trading. They're just waiting for that right shmuck or someone desperate to come and overpay for their game, otherwise they have excuses like "not interested" even though what you're offering is on their wishlist. Just because they're sharking and wait for that person to offer them something a lot more valuable that what their game is worth. I'm disgusting, plus they don't understand that in the long run, no game increases in price, they all fall and will be rebundled. Just because once in a while they sell some game that was 5$ in a bundle for 10-15$ they think they're top traders and making profits. Which in reality they're losing a lot more money when buying every bundle, and their list of bundle games keeps getting longer and worthless

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Use barter.vg it's worth the time it takes to get set up

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ou'll find all the sharks from Steamtrades on Barter, they're top users. The ones that bump their trades every minute on Steamtrades but never actually trade or sell anything, they just wait for someone to offer them a lot more than what one of their games is worth.. sharks

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Some people are in it to make a profit, and you can choose not to deal with those users. You can block people if you don't like their offers, and there are no threads to bump on barter.

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You can try reddit and /r/indiegameswap or /r/SteamGameSwap. They are moderated and have strict rules on what is allowed, what is frowned upon and what is a big "no bueno" resulting in a ban.

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I've been using them for the past 7 years and never had any issues.

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I've had pretty good luck on ST, but I know what you mean. I just trade games, but there are traders on there selling for paypal, TF2 and CSGO keys, etc, and some people seem a little up tight about how they value different games.

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I always liked gametz.com, it's moderated and the traders review each other upon completion of transactions for honesty, speed and courtesy as well as leave comments everyone can view as part of due diligence before making trades. It has a strong matching system for posted want and available lists covering games. Movies, music, books, and misc. Because it's been around so long, we're talking the history of gaming from vintage systems up to current generation games, that are available. There is no intermediate currency, all trades are direct between the parties and subscription is available, but unnecessary for trading--it just removes ads, and offers a few custom perks like allowing your own personal forum. I've been on there for 17 years now, completing a 107 trades with 96 different people and 100% excellent ratings. I've had 1 issue and was compensated by the other trader.

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I used Barter, no one wanted a fair trade there, just their 10 times bundled games for my Long Dark or Quantum Break, they're the same users from Steamtrades, I recognized some of their usernames and avatars

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I've actually met worse people on barter lol. Guy left comment on my steam profile saying he's going to kill me for not accepting his offer or replying.

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I can't really argue that, as my worst experience was from Barter as well (suffice it to say, it was the reason I removed information about my personal circumstances from my Steam profile). BarterAdmin flagged the user, though, so it was nice having that moderation backing. That said, ST didn't actually let me down in the end either, as the community review voting acknowledged my negative feedback while removing his retialiatory feedback. Similarly, the user used both sites, so all-in-all it's hard to really ascribe an emphasis of good or bad to either site.

Barter mostly wins in comparisons because it's moderated, regularly updated, and far, far more robust and responsive in features and functions. It's not really unexpected that a lot of users utilize both sites, or that a lot of behaviors overlap across them. That said, ST is designed more with non-trading (ie, sale) exchanges in mind, and that's heavily reflected in the kind of listings which dominate it. Barter (of late) tends to have a lot of bots which solicit unfair trades for the sake of G2A resale.

The fact that Barter allows you to block these bots, and that most non-bot traders aren't really too concerned with making a profit, means that Barter does generally win out on its community after a bit of initial filtering. Basically, the main issue with ST is that it's underdeveloped and unmoderated, rather than any aspect of its core design or community.

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Off topic, The guy on your profile pic, maybe he's a well known person and I've seen him before but can't remember who is he?

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it was a gif on the net, don't know who he is, but he was sure creepy filming a girl

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Trading is a waste of time. Its just people trying to rip you off. Most the people asking for links sell them.

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Once I figured out that's why they insist on getting gift links, I just outright refused to trade with anyone with high rep who asked for gift links.
Had a whale with about 300+ positive reputation tell me I'm going to have a rough time selling my games and that I should accept his (ridicolous) offer. If you're not going to play the game or at least get it for a friend, then chances are I won't accept the deal.

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It's not really scamming, it's just being an overall jerk and trying to squeeze very good deals out of unaware people, then flip whatever you got for a penny. In other words, that's what a shark does. It's like those shady second-hand car dealers.
I didn't go for the 3:1 as the guy with lots of rep suggested me. I DID manage to trade each game for what I wanted and not lose a lot in the process.

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pretty much

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Because people don't know better. They will want some obscure humble game that was technically in a bundle for like 4$ then flip it for 20$. They will try to explain it to the person as hey your games only worth 80 cents you should take make shifty game. Or try to offer games that haven't been bundles but are dirt cheap because retail, sales or other countries and expect 3 or 4 : 1 even tho your games are worth 5x as much.

It makes more sense to just give away or keep extra games. Those same people get your links activated in multiple countries and get you in shit that way too. Trading is stupid

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Gift links transfer Humble support to the recipient, which is why they were favored (even by non-resellers) [Humble also used to be very open with allowing revocations (eg, on grounds of "I activated it to the wrong account"), which meant that non-gift-links also had a mild potential risk to them].

After the whole ongoing "Humble flags gifters as resellers" came about, that emphasis declined. Now everyone I know, myself included, basically just takes a "whatever works for you" approach if they're not resellers. So yeah, by this point, any insistance is probably a sign of a reseller.

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This sums up what sharks do, just what I tried to point out in my post. Their trade is something like

[H] Northgard - 10 keys
and then on their wishlist
[W] Northgard (humble link only)

This is where my post sparked from. I was trying to get that game, but somehow from the 2-4$ it was worth after the bundle split, now they're sharking it at 20+$ and hoarding the humble links from everyone else that might have it and would want a fair trade, just so they could get profits and scam people

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Northward specifically is one of the games they try to get low. You won't find it easily because they then turn around and flip it for 20$. There's quite a few other games like that as well. They offer you some 3$ game and say its a good deal because it was bundled but its not. Just because a games been bundled doesn't mean its worthless. Hurtworld was in the 1$ tier of a bundle but it sells for 15+. So again you get offered crao for it while they take advantage of everyone to flip it for 15$

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Most of my games (I mean 90% of them) I got through trades. And yeah, a lot of those games are awesome titles. A lot of traders are very cool, they even accept games given for free in the past, as long as they don't have them yet. I don't have anything to complain about SteamTrades. Some traders there are just arrogant, but so are some gifters here. It's a matter of finding the right people to deal with.
For real, I haven't ever seen any mods there, but that never kept me from making good deals. Unless something changed there in the last 4 years I'm not aware of.

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Dont know if i was super lucky but i never got scammed and have been trading quite a long time now. i find it a good way to get games without actually buying them. although i can see your concern! there are many scammers there with some so-good-to-be-true deals ready to rip epople off!

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This post isn't about scamming, it's about speculating a game's real worth. No, you didn't get scammed if you didn't know the real value of what you're trading (what you offer vs what you get) or if the other person doesn't know the value, it's the same thing

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Scams are exceptionally rare among traders with both good feedback and long-standing accounts.
Exploitative trades, however, are fairly common. Generally speaking, if you're satisfied with the deal, then a casual trader'll be fine even if the trade ends up being unfair. The issues mostly come in when users try to trade free games, try to pressure trades when you're not feeling comfortable with a trade, or try to trade at a significant profit [there is, after all, a difference between "This game is worth trading for, I don't mind taking a loss" and "I coulda actually traded for like 20 copies of this game had I done my trade elsewhere"]

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I trade pretty rarely, but never had any problems when I did / do. That's true for both SteamTrades and barter, between which I split my trading pretty evenly. My one trade via lestrade went smoothly too. I only trade leftover games for games I want for myself, both keys and links.

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I stopped offering gift links in any trade. I don't want to deal with resellers.

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That dump should be closed for good to avoid questions like that.

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