Hello, just a little advice for a newbie PC builder. I'm thinking of getting an i5 6500 or 6600 CPU and read that support for Windows 7 was initially going to be stopped in 2017, but has been extended to the original end of life date of 2020. Is this for prebuilt PCs or can I install Win 7 on my own build and receive updates until 2020? I really don't want to move to Windows 10 as I hate the idea of Windows forcing updates.

What are the biggest advantages of Win 10 for gaming if I did bite the bullet?

Thanks

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No reason to do that, win7 is fine enough

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DX12, you only get that with Windows 10. Also, Microsoft is introducing a new "gaming mode" for Windows 10. Apparently it will detect when you are playing a game and throttle back on background processes, things like that to help performance.

I highly suggest moving to 10. I know some will hold on to Windows 7 until the bitter end, and there are many people still using XP, but 10 is not that bad. Yes, you do get forced updates, but for most that just takes the hassle out of checking for updates. It is no more intrusive than the way Firefox handles updates, for example, or many smartphones. It's the way of the future.

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^this

Also, staying on Win 7 and especially older systems, like XP, means you won't be getting any security updates. Correct?

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If you don't get any windows updates, your security won't be updated. So if the updates for 7 stopped (I have no idea if they did), then you're right.

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They didn't stop supporting windows 7, updates stop January 14, 2020

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Correct. Without updates there are no security patches.

Windows 7 will continue to get security updates until January of 2020. After that point it becomes a use at your own peril operating system. It has already ended mainstream support, meaning there are no new features being added (which is why it doesn't get DX12) and the only bugs that will be patched are those that present a security risk. All other bugs in Windows 7 today will get to remain there forever.

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Well, as long as there will be security updates and you're happy with how it works now, then I see no reason to switch really. I personally like windows 10 and I'm glad I updated, but if someone wants to stay with 7 there is no risk in doing so really (at least until 2020).

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soon u can pause windows 10 updates for 30 days

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you can also use programs like Shutup10 to turn off auto updates for as long as you want,i do all my updates manually now.

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DX12.
Much faster boot time (in extreme cases, almost one-tenth of Win7 boot time, but it is a Win8.x thing as well).
The fact that the kernel can't just randomly decide to not stop working (unless you are in the Insider program, using beta OS).
A much better explorer.exe that automatically resets itself when crashes (again, Win8.x feature).
A process explorer that can actually be used for something (ditto since Win 8.x).
An update method that won't turn your machine unresponsive and unusable until it is finished. (I honestly cannot even tell when my OS updates, only when the shutdown command suddenly changes.)
The option to choose to never install Flash player ever again; if you really need to use it in 2017 for some ungodly reason, it is built-in to Edge and managed by MS itself (so if something is patched, they take care of the update fast).
A lot less resources used. (It may not be too important for you with a Skylake chip, but I use an ASrock motherboard and I like that my CPU runs at 0.77 GHz when it is under light or no load, drawing a lot less power. Win7 in idle was more demanding.)

You also get a UI that is a weird mixture of Metro and classic (I like it, but it is weird), and the strange decision to divide the Control Panel into two separate things. Also, the need to manually force the OS to not try to auto-update your drivers; especially on AMD, where it simply uninstalls Catalyst but never actually installs the new version.
The need to fiddle around for an hour or so to set up the user interface in a way that it is not intrusive as all hell.
Also, the forced updates are annoying, but not absolutely deal-breaking. Pro/Enterprise is significantly better though.

As for compatibility, right now it is not worse or better than Win7 after its first year; most anything runs well enough.

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DX12....because of that biiiig amount of games which are supporting it....12 is a tragedy
owners of Nvidia will stay at DX11 or choose vulkan if possible (future)
boot time ? in the era of ssd's ;o also resources nowdays....if u dont do nonstop hardcore stuff,
your recources cant be eaten or limited form the OS... he talk about getting a i5 so probably also 8-32gb ram
Not possible to bring them into trouble with a normal usage

If someone dont own a OS ...okay Win10 is totally fine... but if it had to be bought...pff ;o

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Why would AMD users stay ad DX11?
AMD GPUs benefit a lot from DX12.
Or did you talk about CPUs?

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No you're totally right ;o I have mistyped ....I wanted to write something else since then I have twisted the names ;o
Dont post anything when you have just woken up^^
*edited it ;o

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Ok, so it's possible to still install Win 7 but I won't necessarily get the best performance.

Can anyone clarify the difference between i5-7xxx series and i7-6xxx series? I understand i7 is Kabylake and only supports Win 10.

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Well, i think you are a bit confused.

You have i5 and i7 CPU with both Skylake AND Kaby Lake. It has been like that since Sandy Bridge.

Differences between i5 and i7 :

  • To make it simple, i5 doesn't have Hyperthreading and i7 does have it.

Differences between Skylake and Kaby Lake :

  • They're basically the same, Kaby Lake is just a refresh of Skylake. Just a bit more powerful. Maybe the real benefit is for Laptop users, Kaby Lake comes with HD graphics 630 (Skylake had 530) and it's capable of playing 4K videos, IIRC.

Also if you're concerned by the Windows updates, you might be interested by that.

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Ah awesome, thanks for the clarification. I was getting a bit confused with the model numbers (I've been using an old AMD system for a while). That's a interesting article, thanks fozon.

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ALSO, keep in mind, if you're going to get one of the new 7000-series CPUs, you will need a new motherboard (B250, Z270, H270 chipsets).
If you get one of the older chipset model motherboards (B150, Z170 etc..), they will work with the 7000-series CPUs, but you will have to have it updated with the most recent BIOS before the new CPUs will work on them.

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Thanks for the advice!

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You can install Windows 7 and use it for as long as you want. I am still using Windows XP on a fairly new computer even though mainstream support ended in 2009 and the extended support ended in 2014.

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No reason to use Win 7 whatsoever. Seriously. Especially with a machine like that.

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I bought recently i5-6500 (new 7 series is just ~200MHz faster) and it's damn good. :) And You can use win 7/10 but only win10 supports directx12.

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https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet
If you want to avoid Win 10 you can keep Win 7, but updates will stop, depends on you how important are updates to you. Personally i wouldn't worry for a a good while specially if you are happy on Win 7.
You can also install Win 8.1 and get +3 years of support, plus most speed improvements except dx12.
You can keep using Win 7 for now and install a newer windows when you feel like it, a newer build shouldn't have problems on Win 10 but sometimes upgrading can be not that smooth and get issues here and there, in that case a clean install would be preferable.

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^this

Also, updates are pretty useless.

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Thanks guys, I appreciate the input. I feel happier to go for an i5 6600 running Windows 7 until I feel the need for updates and then I'll migrate to Windows 10 when hopefully they will have changed the user settings for automated updates. (Not likely I guess).

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For Windows 10, you can stop update this way

  • Open Windows Setting
  • Search View Local Services
  • Select Windows Update
  • Change Startup Type to Disabled
  • Select Stop on Service Status
  • Apply and OK
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read somewhere that this may also stop windows defender from getting virus definitions, if anyones does this and is not using a third party antivirus it would be a good idea to check if that's the case

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fwiw, I built a new PC this summer (finally upgraded from my old XP machine), and have had no issues with Windows 10 and actually like it quite a bit. (I went w/ i7 and Nvidea video, so can't speak to any issues around AMD/Radeon).

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i would go with a i7 so that you have Hyperthreading and just bite the bullet and go with Win10 and use a some free programs to turn off its obtrusiveness like Shutup10.

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Got my new PC recently, had Win7 before but I did change to Win10 when upgrading PC and I'm happy with it. Got 6600k currently OC'd to 4,5 GHZ stable :) Also u can turn off updates in windows settings.

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