I know that the only words have real Japanese meaning come from Kanji,
I can only passively read or write Katakana (mostly for English language anyway) and Hiragana.

How long it take for you to understand Japanese language completely?
How long it take for learning Kanji only?

Shamefully I'm 34 years, is it too late to learn Japanese language?

"Watashi wa mune ga daisuki desu!!!"

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Can you understand Japanese?

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I can understand Japanese completely (Read, Write, Hear, Speak)
I can understand Japanese passively (Read & Write)
I can understand Japanese actively (Hear & Speak)
I can understand Katakana and Hiragana only
I can understand Kanji (Hanzi - Chinese only)
I can't understand Japanese at all

Wakarimasen. Eigo de itte kudesai.

I don't even know if I said or spelled that correctly.

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Seems this language is the hardest to learn, especially when one Kanji can have up to >5 sound (Kun-yomi : Japanese and On-yomi : Chinese)

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Try to learn kanji by remembering whole words, not by remembering single kanji signs with all their readings. You won't have problems with reading later.

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I would like to ask something I really want to know since I was a kid:
do japanese people write in japanese with alphabet? is it possible?

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They usually use hiragana for japanese language (non kanji) mostly for children that haven't really master kanji.

Btw they use Katakana, Hiragana, Kanji, and Romaji (Alphabet - rarely used, mostly I seen use for game title)

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interesting... but why so many "simbols" variations?

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  • Katakana : For writing foreign language mostly english language (So I can understand this completely)
  • Hiragana : Mostly used for auxiliary words, don't have real meaning. Other than that used to write kanji too for people who don't master kanji yet.
  • Kanji : Main Japanese language (mostly taken from Chinese but simplified)
  • Romaji (Alphabet) : Mostly used for Title, Brand, etc (rarely used for daily words)

They all have their uses and very different one another, their main language is Katakana, Hiragana and Kanji (Without one of this their language can be misleading)

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Katakana was derived from formal Kanji, or the stiff/rough one. Hiragana was derived from cursive Kanji, or the informal one. Thus katakana was historically widely accepted, whereas hiragana was lesser-known and mainly used by women (for its more feminine appearance). It's only in the recent history that hiragana started to be popular as a main form of Japanese writing, and katakana shifted to slightly more "formal" purposes such as in new borrowed words, foreign name transliteration, etc. You can still see both katakana and hiragana everywhere, though.

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They're essentially all the same. Kanji is a system of writing originating from China, where each character is a set of strokes, each with its own basic meaning, combined in such a way as to describe the overall meaning of the word the character represents. But for words which are purely syntactical and don't have any semantic meaning there are a few characters reserved for describing sounds instead of ideas. We can call that set of characters "kana".

Kana includes Hiragana and Katakana. They're basically the same thing, only written slightly differently (Katakana is stiff-looking, while Hiragana is curly-looking). These days writing is usually done in hiragana (when it's not in kanji, at least) and katakana is used to make certain words stand out; for example, to indicate that a word is in a foreign language. It's like if you were typing some prose in English but there are a few Spanish phrases scattered in, so you decide to make all non-English words italic so that your readers can tell you're mixing languages and not just having a cat walk over your keyboard.

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hahaha good comparison. interesting... portuguese is FULL of rules and people say that is a lot harder to learn than japanese (and all this variations...) but somehow I think I have trouble with those simbols convertions to words. I never tried but it seems very challenging to ocidental people learn languages with unique simbols like japanese, chinese or russian.

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Yes, learning a language is a lot harder when you're trying to learn an unfamiliar script at the same time. It's probably best to avoid trying to learn kanji and kana entirely at first and just focus on the language written in Romanji (Japanese written using our familiar Roman alphabet) until you're comfortable. That will help you pick up the spoken language more easily.

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For you non Japanese, that can understand Japan language completely please answer my question :

How long it take for you to understand Japanese language completely?
How long it take for learning Kanji only?
Shamefully I'm 34 years, is it too late to learn Japanese language?
Is it possible to learn it our self without teacher/ courses?

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Without any knowledge about the Japanese language at all, I can answer your last two questions.

Shamefully I'm 34 years, is it too late to learn Japanese language?

Nothing to be ashamed of. Learning new things is just part of life, and there isn't any "limit" to when you can learn something new.

Is it possible to learn it our self without teacher/ courses?

In my personal opinion, nothing is really impossible when you put your heart in it. There are several websites which will help you learn a new language by yourself. Obviously it will be much harder than with a teacher, but yes, I do believe it's possible.

Sorry for butting in like that. I'm done now. :D

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Nothing to be sorry about,
I welcome any input, and I think all your input is right.
Thank you.

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I've been studying it for several years (3 in university and 2 more in Japan).
University was great for the passive part of the language but I find it nearly impossible to acquire the active part without actually living in Japan and talking to natives. I know also about people that claim to have learnt to hear and speak japanese just from anime/drama, but I'm not sure about that.

Kanji are the hardest part of the language since you have to master reading, writing and understanding their meaning. Luckily you shouldn't worry about the writing part too much since there aren't many occasions where you have to take a pen and actually write them (Japanese people too use smartphones/computers most of the time).

I think 34 years is perfectly fine, maybe it will take a while more but my parents just started learning japanese (more like a brain-trainer than for an actual purpose, but still) and they are 63 years old! So don't worry about that.

I think it's possible to learn without a teacher but just if you have the possibility to receive some kind of feedback from native speakers. If you don't have any japanese friends who can help you, there are websites here and there to ask for corrections and stuff (if you need any, let me know)!

Hope my answer has been somehow useful, good luck with everything and don't give up!

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Thank you!
If you don't mind, what is the best website to ask comfortably about Japan language?

I bought several books for grammar, etc, and Kanji with origin Pictures.
I just started to sign in WaniKani.

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I used lang-8, it`s not only for Japanese but there are a lot of Japanese people willing to help and usually they answer really fast!

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Thank you for the recommendation!

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1 year if you're really serious and diligent
Yes you can, I think so

Depends on your memorizing skill xD

Nothing's too late.. At least late is better than nothing

Hmm I'm self studying
Not really going well
Would be much faster if you can practice it with some conversation

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I hope so... I think I want it to be quick.
With very little spare time I have.

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I believe that you can learn something by yourself but you won't really be able to get a hold of it (any language) properly unless there is someone to have a conversation with. (In the language that you are learning).

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Right, I can see that.

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Fun fact: In Hong Kong, many youngster can read some Japanese (because of Kanji) and understand some Japanese by hearing (watch too many anime). When youngster were asked to translate some Chinese short phase into other language, the first thing come to their mind is Japanese, rather than English, despite the fact that most, if not all, of them had been learning English since kindergarten, while only some of them have had Japanese course.
Disclaimer: not scientifically proven

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It maybe true because Japanese writing (Kanji) is actually taken from Chinese but simplified.
I believe Chinese can learn Japanese more easily rather than english.

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Yes you are right. Many (if not all) Japanese Kanji words derives from Chinese writings.
I found it easier to learn Japanese because I knew some Chinese already, and the meanings are usually the same.
As long as you have the motivation and dedication to learn Japanese then it's never too late to learn.

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Most Kanji characters aren't simplified at all. Some of them even got "complexified".

Chinese grammar is more similar to English grammar than Japanese grammar, so while it is easier for Chinese to learn Kanji, they have less problem making sentences in English than in Japanese.

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I don't understand Japanese but I would like I do :) I like Japan and maybe I will start learning Japanese some day, who knows.

Only thing I can say to you now, you should know that its never too late, so just go and start learning Japanese if you really want that. ;)

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I believe you should start learning Japanese soon, if you really like Japanese culture.

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I can more or less tell basic topics from hearing, but that's very vague.
I can speak very little of it (just the very very very basics) , can't read and absolutely can't write...

But I can count to 99!

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To read a newspaper you need 2300 Kanji. To work in Japan you need around 8000.
Add grammar to that and you're set for a couple years at least.

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Yeah, thanks for the info.

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Are you sure about the work part?
For the newspaper I think you're referring to the 常用漢字 which are indeed 2100~ kanji. The work part seems a little too high though, maybe you're referring to kanji compounds?

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The government recently increased the amount of the basic kanji. I think the exact number is 2134 not 2300. So you are right about that.
For the other thing: I can only give you the number my Japanese teacher told me. She is Japanese and said that if you had to write a report for your company you would have to know 8000 kanji.

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I can understand Japanese partially. Reading(including Kanji-Originally Chinese letters), Hearing is so-so. Writing and Speaking in Japanese are worse than in English.
I learned Japanese at High School, and almost forgot the fact for a long time. Thanks to games and anime, I could increase my knowledge during recent years. In addition, I'm accustomed to Chinese letters thanks to my father's education when I was young.
If you speak an Indo-European language, Japanese will be very hard. Pronunciations and number of letters are simple, but grammar is different from Chinese and Indo-European.
And I think "Nothing is too late to learn." Good luck! :)

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its never to late to learn a new language ^^

and i only know a few words from anime XD

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Well, whatever it is, it never is too late to learn something. If you really put your head into it, you can master it eventually.

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Sadly, my Japanese heritage is now long gone, my Nanna has gotten worse in health, She taught me a song, and a few words not to get me by though...

Moshi moshi, ano ne.
Ano ne,
Ano ne,
Moshi moshi, ano ne.
Ah so desu-ka!

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I found this funny at the beginning, but pitiful later :/

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uh huh. My Nanna is Japanese, and My Pa (Grandfather) is German Italian, or do you mean my song?

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haha this is for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hc3R3iM164

I just realized I have heard of this song before, in different language tho~

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It's basically London Bridge is Falling Down... Not sure if you sing it where you live.

And what do you mean, you've heard it before in a different language?

I also got my Nanna to smile and laugh when I sang the song. Now she doesn't smile or laugh much.....

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Thanks for the support, I try learning this myself though it seems very hard, especially kanji.
They have one meaning but have up to >5 sounds read differently depends on the words/ combination.
The most basic one is 2000 kanji, but they actually have 40000+ kanji OMG.
I'm trying, but not sure if possible without a teacher or attend courses.

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Maybe you should take a look at the kanjidamage site. It may give you insights on making your personal method with radicals.
Also if you reallly want to master them I think you should start writing them down. Using the correct strokes.

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It's never too late to learn new things. Im 30 years and learning programming, french and japanese in spare time.

There are plenty of places where You can learn online like WaniKani.

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Thank you I already bookmarked WaniKani, I bought some books, maybe later I'll use the site after I master some Kanji origins.

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I tried the website, looks very interactive.
Thank you very much!

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It looks like Steamgifts didn't post my long reply for unknown reasons, so I'll try to recall it briefly =(

I've tried to learn Japanese a couple of times, but had to drop it because i didn't have enough time.
My friends, who are achieved N1 in JLPT, said that it shouldn't take very much time to learn basic vocal Japanese (at the level they use in anime), but it would take years to learn kanji. There is no limit to learning it, because there are always more and more rare and complex characters to learn.
I don't think 34 is too late, if your memory is all right, but it should take time every day, without long delays. It is possible without a teacher for some people, but hearing Japanese speech is essential.

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Wow he maybe more expert than some Japanese themselves.
I mean I like Japanese culture (JRPG and VN, Anime since I'm a kid) but now I'm 34 not really sure how much longer I'm into that, what do you think?

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Oh, I can't answer that, because it would depend on what are you trying to achieve in life =)
I'm 33 myself, so if it were me, I would only learn it if I planned to actively use it in future - like working and socializing with Japanese people, translating something etc. But I would not learn it if I was only interested in mass culture, like VNs and anime (I'm actually interested in them now =))
It is a pretty serious decision, not like a hobby decision, because you can't learn the language from time to time, in your free time - you should seriously consider it.

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I hope 34 is not too late because I am 32 myself and just started to begin learning it ;)

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I chose the "I can understand Japanese completely (Read, Write, Hear, Speak)" option but I almost can't write without a computer anymore. Now I read it from the choice given by the computer.

I started learning japanese in high school, it was really basic (hira and kata+ basic grammar on the first year, some "culture" and some kanjis on second year, and for the third just some more kanji) so I learned from my dictionary, from translation for myself and different sites.
4 years later I could watch japanese TV, still had trouble reading. But japanese variety & news shows have subtitles almost every time so I learned alot from it. 1 year later I could easily read most of what I wanted. Still need a dictionary for most science or history related words.

so:

-How long it take for you to understand Japanese language completely?
A whole life wouldn't be enough, but for basic understanding and speaking I would say 3-4 years.
-How long it take for learning Kanji only?
Another whole life, or 5 to 10 years if you want to cover all kanjis even those that aren't used anymore (gotta learn 'em all!!)
-Shamefully I'm 34 years, is it too late to learn Japanese language?
It's never too late, I met a 70 yo man who had been learning for 2 years and could understand most of what he heard in japanese.
-Is it possible to learn it our self without teacher/ courses?
Yes, but having some japanese people to talk to helps a lot.

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Thanks for answering my question, I hope I can learn the language more soon though.
At least to understand it like I understand english.

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It's never too late! Thinking you're too old is just an illusion and will restrict you to learn it psychologically :) Just go for it, just do it! xD
I'm learning vocabulary by watching japanese movies and anime (obviously japanese origin) with english subtitles. I'm not actually trying to learn actively but the vocabulary I catched would be the edge on making it through a day in Japan. Best way learning would be of course living over there^^

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Yeah but I'm not that rich, it seems very hard living there without much money.
I think I'm a senior at work here, but even my salary is not half of their fresh graduate salary there.

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You could participate in an exchange program for some time. That way you would even have a family or a roommate of the person you at who's place you're going to live with whom you could communicate ;)

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It's never too late to learn something. But keep in mind that younger people can absorb knowledge faster than the older ones. :/ Every language needs you to study it for AT LEAST 2 years in order to become a fluent speaker/writer. But the languages that don't have the latin alphabet, are harder than the ones that have it.

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I only know Hiragana and I'm not able to use it completely. But I can use Romaji, my hear & speak is intermediate level ^^

I'll start a Japanese course next month after my finals, it costs 100$ in total ^^

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I did learn a few phrases in Japanese and considered taking some classes, but I decided to concentrate on learning French instead. I already have a good basis in French from school and I'd rather be really good at one language than sort of crap at loads. Plus in my every day life it's much more likely that I will find French useful.

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Don't listen to what those guys say. I graduated from Japanese Studies, had a government scholarship in Japan, I own a company specializing in a pro translations and Japanese teaching. And I have 35 years now :)

You only have to learn about 2100 kanji called jōyō kanji: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C5%8Dy%C5%8D_kanji
When you get to know them you can read anything. If there is a kanji that isn't from that list it has to be signed in hiragana (furigana). You don't have to know 8000 kanji!

Of course just knowing kanji isn't enough, you have to know grammar, idioms etc. Like in every language.

It took me 3 years to get to know jōyō kanji but that was on university and I was a Japanese Studies student.

I was teaching Japanese (and still doing so) but the problem in most cases is motivation. I don't know what your basic language is but in most cases it is very difficult to learn it on your own. It is even more difficult if Japanese native speaker is trying to teach you.

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Thanks for the insight,
I'm indonesian, my second language is english, I hope I can learn Japanese as the third.

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I lived there three years, starting when I was 20. I came away... sadly ma ma. It comes back when I drink enough rum or make a visit though. I always tried to speak it like I was an old samurai, a yakuza gangster (complete with yakuza-ben!) or at least a dirty old man. Fun times.

The JLPT tests are great for motivation. The Steam game, Influent, is fun for little drills and vocabulary retention.

You can use the browser extensions Rikai-kun and Rikai-chan to help understand meanings of some characters online, along with their pronunciations. This can be invaluable.

The Heisig approach to learning kanji was very fun and I never really forgot the 400 or so I picked up through it. That said, you don't learn how to pronounce them, nor their "exact" meaning, but it's enough to get the gist of stuff and learn how to write. Some people would hate it, and I can see why. It's 1945 kanji there.

Yeah, enjoy. I miss it sometimes.

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Thank you that's a lot of information and recommendation!

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It's never too late to learn something new! :)
If you want to learn kanji quite quickly, I can recomend you this application
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.Obenkyo

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Thank you!!!
I bookmarked it.

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Interestingly native Japanese people tend to have hard times to acquire English. Maybe it's due to the cleavage of the cultures.
I heard rikaisama is useful for learning it from real sentences.
If somebody is forced to be in the foreign country, he/she has to learn the language to survive in the region. It's not impossible at any age. Good luck.

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