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Btw,I used to have Firefox crash on execution every time,but now it is fine.Am I entitled to say that Firefox is crap too?No.They are even and have their own aspects that they're strong in.I alternate between Firefox and Chrome all the time.
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Mine works perfectly. You could at least legitimize this thread by posting some info like version(beta channel), addons installed etc. I had problem with chrome once after messing with internal settings (when FF kept crashing flash plugin and even the whole browser not to mentioned poor performance on 10+tabs with addons) and i fixed it by reinstalling chrome with wiping user profile(using Google cloud for bookmarks,addons storage) so i've lost only cookies.
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I also routinely have an unhealthy amount of tabs open and put lots of stress on it and the thing takes it like a boss. :P I've had a tab crash occasionally and that always makes me thankful that Chrome keeps a separate process for each tab so a hiccup doesn't take down the whole browser like when I'd use Firefox et. al. :)
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I haven't had chrome crash on me since long before christmas, 2012. I'm sure I could make it crash, but it doesn't on its own for me. Could it be a RAM issue? Programs will readily crash if they use bad RAM.
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I've always hated Chrome. It's nothing more than Google making a way for uninformed users to be more easily tracked on the internet. /opinion
But honestly, have you considered maybe you have a bit of malware causing your problems? You post is less than descriptive.
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Never said they were. But in using Chrome you agree to their terms of use, which includes tracking surfing habits for things like targeted ads and search "optimization". Opting out of this is buried deep in their terms in a way most users will not find, the opt-out is ONLY for Google-based tracking, and whether or not they honor opt-outs is being questioned. It's not illegal or a privacy breach when you click through their terms yourself.
Opting out of tracking in most other browsers is easy to find and activate. Whether or not any given service honors the flag is on a case by case basis (though most DO under terms agreed to between most major browser vendors and many major advertising firms), but at least you're allowed the protection in the first place.
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Because Google has never misused or illegally collected private information. LOL
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It's open source. Couldn't you just download the source code, comment out those portions, compile the source, and have Chromium without any data mining code? Unless it's invisible and works without even being part of the code, which in that case every program is datamining for Google. Even your microwave, your PSP, and your grandpa's pacemaker.
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Your little exaggeration almost spun me into a rootkit discussion :)
You are correct, a developer could go in and annotate out the offending code. Thing is, I've yet to see a single project or deployment that actually does. Even Awesomium, a deployment often used as web interface integrated into MMO clients like GW2 and EVE for their cash shops, still retains the active code.
On a similar point to your argument, Gecko, the engine behind Firefox, is also open source. Why not just develop on it and avoid the mining entirely?
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What about SRWare Iron? They have a page (http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_chrome_vs_iron.php) listing all the stuff they've removed from Chrome/Chromium to improve privacy.
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Dat english translation...
Poorly translated site aside, if that URL-Tracker entry is what I think it is, then you've found a deployment that did it. BUT, it still doesn't provide the universal opt-out flag that other sources do {see my post nested a chain or so above) from what I could tell, meaning Google Analytics (among the many others but the one in question here) is STILL tracking if implemented on the sites you browse, which is almost everything now (I'm looking at YOU steamgifts.com, and the calls NoScript is showing me).
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FF has always been the slowest for me too. Heck, even IE is much faster than FF.
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This! I guess peoples dont know what is browser and what is rendering engine
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Vendor prefixes are a mess. Firefox uses "moz", Chrome and Safari use "webkit", IE uses "ms", Opera uses "o". So you really don't know what you're getting into on that front. The browsers themselves... much worse:
Mozilla develops both Firefox and the underlying rendering engine named Gecko. Google makes Chrome which uses WebKit for now and will use Blink (which is itself a fork of WebCore, the html rendering piece of WebKit) in versions 28+, Apple makes Safari which also uses WebKit. However, WebKit itself is open source and was based on the work from KDE. Then there's Internet Explorer which uses the Trident engine and both are developed by Microsoft.
Maybe someday we won't have to worry so much about all this mumbo jumbo and merely being standards compliant when building a webpage will ensure it works nigh-identically across all the browsers. Ahaha, someday...
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To be fair it was always kinda bad....but honestly I never heard of it crashing much, sure its not user error? Usually it is with these types of threads.
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Yeah, thats probably it. These threads always end up at that conclusion.
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Love Opera on Windows, Firefox is pretty snazzy on Linux though....Windows not so much IMO.
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I forget what I use on Android, honestly no browser satisfies me on Android sadly...tried them all :-/.
Maxathon is pretty good on Windows also but its less known, nice cloud features.
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I've just always been a little resentful of FireFox and Chrome simply because they blatantly cloned Opera. FF was especially crude about it in the beginning, literally advertising themselves as "this first alternative browser!" even though Opera had been around for years and had pioneered dozens of features they were now touting as their own. I know it's silly, but man, that really pissed me off back then and I've held a grudge ever since.
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Honestly at one point Mozilla took the whole entire layout from Opera...it kinda shocked me. People were all like "Oh god I hate the new Firefox layout" then I saw it and was like "The fuck is this? This is a joke right, a funny Opera skin?"
Honestly thought it was a troll thread.
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You may want to try out Memory Fox. I use it and can say it does work rather well. The benefits aren't fantastic but they're measurable. At least it keeps memory usage from spiralling out of control during extended sessions.
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You in IT and you get calls like that? Tell us more!
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I'm "in IT" in that I'm a freelance PC tech / area phone support tech :P And that picture wasn't me, I just felt it fit. Most of my worst stories you hear as stereotypical nerd comedy like above (yes, it happened), but I do have a couple really good (read: KILL ME) ones:
1) Got a call from a local church. The pastor said he was having trouble with his office computer and was afraid it was possessed (I'm serious), typing the "words of the devil" on its own. Get there and I see he has an office desk with a hinged, right-side expandable keyboard tray that fit micro (no 10-key) and full + mouse pad setups. I went to the desk and flipped the expander panel, which was holding down keys, off of the non-10 key keyboard as he asked "You mean that's not a board to hold the key thing in place?"
2) Got a call from a frustrated woman claiming computers are too hard to use. Preface: This was around 2003 and the woman sounded to be in her early 40's.
Me: What are you trying to do?
Her: Anything, really, but it's so hard to control this damn thing.
Me: Well, let's try going to a basic website if we can. You should have an icon on your screen marked Internet Explorer. Cli...
Her: I can't! The space under my desk is too cramped to move my foot that far!
Me: (rapid, silent, soul-draining realization)
Her: Hello?
Me: Y-yes, I'm here. Are you telling me you're moving your mouse w...?
Her: My PC BETTER not have come with any rats! But it did come with this weird foot pedal.
Me: Ma'am, that's called a "mouse". due to the cord "tail", the laid-back "ear" buttons... You control it with your hand. Right hand, no normal configuration, but it c...
Her: Oh, I see it now. It's kinda cute, now that you've described it. But isn't that unsanitary? Using it with your foot AND your hand?
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Chrome was designed for one reason and one reason only -
Microsoft threatened to completely block Google from snooping on IE8+ searches.
Therefore Chrome was created as spyware for improving Google search.
The reason it's faster is just due to using parallel connections with DNS pre-resolution. It's pre-looking up all those links on the webpage before you even click on them, so your not waiting around on DNS lookups, etc. Again, it's spying and looking at what your looking at.
However, saying that Google is the best moral buddy to have spying on you (compared to all the others - IE has built-in spyware too, etc).
As for crashing, never has happened to me in the lifetime of this pc. Crashing is only due to hardware failure, incompatiblility or software errors/malware. If you use a stable build, there shouldn't be any crashing. Note this isn't just around the application, but also the Operating System, valid drivers, plugins, etc.
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+1 - They admitted it, most other applications don't but there's millions which spy on you, even the most popular ones.
Quote "Chrome is spyware. The browser itself is designed to spy on you and report everything you do and every URL you visit to google. What more needs to be said. It's not even a browser so much as a data mining tool with a browser built in."
It's not a secret, that's why I still repect it. They are honest about it.
You can even Opt-Out if you dig deep enough and are that concerned.
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I've used Chrome for about 2 years now, I've loved it the whole time. I've never had issues with it, I think it just depends on the user. I especially like the Chrome Web Store to find cool extensions and such, or if I'm bored sometimes I'll go on their and they have a wide variety of browser games :)
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I can't stand Chrome. No permanent status bar at the bottom (I don't want some bubble flashing up all the time, being distracting) and no way to add it with extensions. No bookmarks sidebar, which I tend to keep up permanently as a quick way to access my regular sites. Wastefully trapezoidal tabs, taking up unnecessary space that could be better used if they were rectangular. If Firefox (or more specifically Pale Moon) separated the UI thread from the website processes, so that the whole browser wouldn't hang when something on the site does, I would have very few complaints.
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Umm, I'm pretty sure chrome has a bookmark bar dude, I'm using it right now.
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The only things it has by default are a bar listing folders below the address bar (which I don't want as it takes up precious vertical space that should be being used for the non-existent status bar, rather than a horizontal panel at the side) or a full tab bookmarks manager, which is both inefficient if I just want to quickly click something and excessive in that I would rarely want to take up the entire screen just to find a web page to go to. There are extensions, but I haven't bothered looking into them too much because the first few I saw didn't look that great and the other factors stopping me using the browser make the whole thing moot in any case.
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For that full tab bookmarks manager you wanted, there's one for sure. You just have to press Ctrl+Shift+O for keyboard shortcut or select that "list" button, then scrolling to Bookmarks, then you'll see an option called Bookmark manager. I know cause I kept using it whenever I need to backup my bookmarks.
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The trapezoidal tabs will overlap each other when there are enough tabs open that space is limited, so it's really not an issue. I think if you use Chrome for a short while, you'll find that you never notice the status bar flashing up -- I never notice when it pops up for me, and honestly I prefer to have the extra screen space.
And yeah fine, you can't have a bookmarks sidebar open the same way you did in Firefox, but there are other ways of having your regular sites quick at hand. Since the status bar is, as you said, non-existent, it shouldn't cause you any trouble to give up that vertical space for the bookmarks bar. And if you do that, you can do something like the setup I use, where I have all my most-used sites on the bookmarks bar without titles, so only the favicon is visible and I can fit a lot of websites there (and if one of your regular sites by chance lacks a favicon, you could probably use this extension or one like it to give it one, or just leave its name visible or something). You could also just have a folder on your bookmarks bar and fill it up the exact same way you fill your bookmarks sidebar in Firefox, and then it's just one extra click. Chrome gives up Firefox's extreme versatility in exchange for extreme speed and optimization, but it still leaves you several options for organization.
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Neat :P I use My Docs folder for random/temporary rubbish xD everything else is on other partitions/disks, safe from any emergency format C: or Windows reinstall.
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The trapezoidal tabs are more of an aesthetic annoyance than anything else. I rarely use enough tabs for it to be a factor anyway. It just seems stupid that the only way I could find to change it would be to edit the source code of the browser and compile it myself, which is far too much effort to be worth it.
Also the lack of a status bar is depriving me of information about how the page is loading, which I would like to retain. If I want to look at a link in the bottom left corner it will also shove the status bubble to the other side, making it less consistent to look for the URL I am being linked to. Long URLs require me to hover over the link for a few seconds before it will show me the non-truncated version, which is annoying. None of which would be a problem if I had the option of a persistent status bar.
The way I use bookmarks is not especially compatible with the Chrome bookmark bar. Sure, I could put my usual places as icons to click, but a lot of my bookmarks are in 2 or 3 deep file hierarchies. In Firefox I can keep certain more commonly used files open and use them quickly, whereas in Chrome it would result in several more clicks every time I wanted to go to a given site and over time a lot of wasted time, slowly navigating these files.
There are other minor annoyances like having the refresh button on the wrong side of the address bar, no separate 'stop' button (I don't like the system of having refresh and stop buttons merged; what if I click to stop just as it finishes loading and end up refreshing the page by accident?), no separate search bar (not a big deal, but I like having the address bar's functionality clearly defined as specific address navigation rather than search and I also like the ease of access to other search engines or sites that the Firefox search bar gives).
While I might be able to get used to some of these things if I used Chrome for long enough, I can't bring myself to use it for every day browsing due to the cumulative effect of all these issues. Firefox is unfortunately tending towards more Chrome-like designs, but at least there I have the freedom to customise it back to something I am happy to use.
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As it is, not having a permanent status bar gives more room to view the page, and I don't think you want a permanent status bar that's really just telling you what the browser is loading and/or what address for the link you're seeing.
As for the bubble, you can just make the idiot auto-clear if you wanted using the extension download here, it's pointless to hate the browser just cause of it.
As for the sidebar, I already stated it's a waste of good space, especially if you don't have to use it since Chrome can track the bookmark also from the omni text field.
For the wasteful tabs, FF is even more wasteful in that sense cause the tabs in FF don't shrink when there's more tabs open. They do however in Chrome, so your argument there is invalid. And if they copied the rectangular tabs, what's the point of calling it Chrome? Might as well call it Firefox 2 or something.
Firefox has never separated and probably won't separate the main process into separate ones, as one per page. Chrome on the other hand did it first so if FF tried to, they would probably be sued for trying to copy it.
I'm not too sure if Google owns the patent for how Chrome separates the process but they surely would sue FF if they have the patent.
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The status bar may be somewhat redundant most of the time, but I happen to prefer using it. I can live with the lost vertical space at the bottom.
Horizontal space lost by a sidebar is rarely an issue with most sites (in fact it makes YouTube look better on my laptop since they started left-justifying the all the content on the site as it shoves it into a more centred position) and if it is I can temporarily close it by simply clicking my bookmarks button.
I would hope that you can't patent something as generic as running a separate UI thread. The specific method, perhaps, but not the concept itself. I'm not even asking for something as robust as Chrome's sandboxed architecture, but I agree, it is unlikely to come to Firefox any time soon short of starting an entirely new browser back-end.
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Having used both, I jumped ship when Firefox was actually taking too much of a chunk from the RAM and had Chrome installed from the ad on the Google website. Ever since then, I've been using Chrome mainly now and only use Firefox to keep a few tabs that I know if I tried storing pinned in Chrome, I'll be sure wasting at least 100MB of RAM more just to start the whole thing which already has 18 pinned tabs and the homepage tab on top of that.
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Used Firefox since version 2 I believe. Can't live without the addons I'm accustomed to (NoScript is God), though admittedly I use fewer addons now than I did before and I think there are addons/features for the other browsers now with the same functionality.
Opera's my second go-to browser if I need fast and lightweight. Chrome always seemed unnecessary with Opera around.
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crash every 2 minutes = FAIL EXAGGERATION ALERT
EDIT : What did I start.
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