Sorry if a thread like this already exists and I couldn't find it - but I was looking through my stats and realized I haven't actually added that many people to my blacklist throughout my years on this site, so I was curious to hear what other people's opinions are. What makes you add someone to your whitelist, what makes you add someone to your blacklist? This is not a thread to single out or 'expose' individuals, so keep that sort of thing out of here, this is just to share general thoughts and opinions around blacklisting/whitelisting.

Oh also, here's a couple of level 5+ giveaways (ends in 2 days from this post going live, just remove BOTS from the links)
https://www.steamBOTSgifts.com/giveaway/Y10aX/disney-epic-mickey-2-the-power-of-two
https://www.steamBOTSgifts.com/giveaway/gALMT/my-hero-ones-justice
https://www.steamBOTSgifts.com/giveaway/U8rSn/worms-ultimate-mayhem-deluxe-edition

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White list: people who have offered a lot of gifts or made statements that help others.
Black List: People who are involved in fraud (confirmed by SGTools), win too many times, or harass others.

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Whitelist: being supportive in the forums; constructive criticism; nice giveaways; ...
Blacklists: abusing the system; broken SG rules (non activations, multiple accounts,...); being an asshole, esp. supporting extremism/terrorism/facists, ...

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I don't like blacklist, so I don't add people to here. Whitelist is working this way at my site: if your profile is nice or you gave good games, I add you to my whitelist. That's all.

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I whitelist someone I have a good enough interaction with or someone who makes a very positive impression on me.

For blacklists, generally I only blacklist people who blacklist me, to make sure they don't have to change their mind, once there, it's permanent. There are other special occasions though, such as someone doing sg scams or someone who is so far beyond reasoning with and I want to avoid some awkward interaction. It rarely happens but I accumulated a few over my time here.

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Is there some way to figure out who blacklists you (other than trying to look at their giveaways)? SG tells me I've been blacklisted by 11 people, but I only know one specific user who blacklisted me.

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ESGST can help, you just run it in a page and it checks all the users there to see if they white/blacklisted you.
no way to just run it across the entire active user base at once though.

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My favorite way which was shared with me, is to go through the community trains. I found like half my blacklist there. Even if it ended, like go through the latest one. I found 3 more people in that one.

Although, it would be nice if cg would show us the list.

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Same here, except, I do not blacklist anyone, if they break a rule, they are already punished by moderators and I really have no qualm with anyone over any topic, even if they do, and believe me, many do. Hahaha.

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I'm new and still trying to learn how to properly use blacklist/whitelist so I appreciate this post.
Thanks for the giveaways, as well!

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Welcome, friend! :-) It's a really neat little community so I hope you'll feel at home.

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The added BOTS text bring no protection because bots grab only the 5 digits code and set it in their own template.
So only changing something at the 5 digits code part have a effect on them.

Blacklists:
Multiaccounter (on sg, freebie sites, discord GA servers etc.), Autojoiner, Unactivated wins and the clear sign that it isn't a one time mistake, users that give the clear sg links from sgtools protected GAs around, regional store abusers (faking the country to buy cheaper) etc., so in short all cheaters.
Users that do nearly 100% regional GAs, users that abuse the cv system (5 copies of each $1 Fanatical bundle as example and giving nothing else away as this ones), users that have curations and sell or trade REVIEW copies (not keys) that they got for reviewing purposes and users that done their last GA years ago but actively entering, daily, a lot of GAs (they use often autojoiners on top).
Users that aren't honest, as example if they play the white knight in public (mostly only to get whitelists) but for them don't count the same rules, as they demand from/for other ones, as soon as they think none will see it.
Users that don't use their brain for thinking and are only a brainless mob that read somewhere maximum the headline before they start to riot (the extreme twitter/X users...).
Very much of the blacklisted users fit into more as one of the reasons.

Whitelists:
Honest users, that aren't asskissers only to have advantages, that don't abuse sg, being mostly friendly, helpful, knowing basic manners like "thank you" and such stuff.
The whitelists description is much more difficult because its hard to pin it down to a few "headline/main" points because the decission is based on more factors as a decission for the blacklists.

Ps.: Yes, it gave such discussions in the past. More as one time. But it don't hurt to write one time more about it and the other discussions are maybe deleted, closed or hidden in the pile of old stuff.

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I guess you are correct about the part that they only grab the 5 digits part, however adding the bots part will mess up the grabbing regardless since chances are high they are programmed to grab digits 21-26 for example, so adding "bots" before the 5 digits part might make it miss its intended target, and grab digits 26 till 31.

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The bots don't count the digits before the code.
I assume they go with the "/", which means the know where the 5 digits must be.
https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway**/Y16jX/**NameXYZ

Maybe it would be possible to make them problems with adding one "/" more
https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway**/fakeZ/**/Y16jX/NameXYZ

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Thanks for the feedback regarding the BOT prevention thing, and for the detailed thoughts about whitelist/blakclist. I got very few entries for the giveaways, so no idea. Could be the bots don't scour forum threads for giveaways, that the BOT thing did something or that the giveaway being 5+ stopped them dead in their tracks, or some combination of the three I guess. No idea :D

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I recently had someone leave the same comment on two of my active GA at the very same second -_- that sounded like an autojoiner, so I thought it was worth blacklisting

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I used to manage a blacklist, but I've given up on it for the most part.
Whitelist is really personal, I don't have a set of rules, but I won't generally add someone to my whitelist for no reason.

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Whitelist - for actively making SteamGifts a better place:

  • making regular threads for deals, bundles, helpful information etc.
  • hosting regular puzzles & events etc.
  • regularly being helpful in the forums and comments
  • regularly spreading good vibes in the forums and comments
  • actively standing up against harassment, hate, racism, queerphobia, extremism, fascism, disinformation, abuse, exploitation, cheating etc.

Blacklist - for actively making SteamGifts a worse place:

  • abusing or exploiting the SteamGifts community and their giveaways in any kind of way
  • cheating the SteamGifts system in any kind of way
  • engaging in or supporting harassment, hate, racism, queerphobia, extremism, fascism, disinformation etc.
  • I do usually blacklist back - if I notice - to prevent the "temporary unblacklisting to enter giveaways" exploit, unless it is someone I feel like a good talk with them could sort it out

Will add to the lists if more comes to mind.

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This is generally the same basis for my lists as well.

Though our interpretations of being helpful or exploiting the SG community may vary, of course.

Also, thought I already had you on my whitelist, but now you are for sure, Waxworm. 😎

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Samesies! ^^

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If u try to openly express your vision or thought you will end up on lots of blacklists. At this point after 10 years on SG i dont care about it anymore because when i was in school i cant afford games but now i can buy any game i want so now it doesn't matter to me if someone adds me on their blacklist or not.

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Whitelist: People who excel in empathy or reasoning.
Blacklist: People who fail in empathy or reasoning. Or people who abuse this place.

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Very rarely put someone on my blacklist. Person must have a very obvious bad behavour.
I check the winners of my giveaways and decide if I put them on my whitelist (mostly because of good stats then). If I win something, I put the creator of the giveaway on my whitelist. Sometimes I put people on my whitelist that stand out positively. There may be some other WL cases but these are the main reasons I think.

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Whitelist: Random (made me smile, good person, good vibes) but usually no developer accounts
Blacklist: racists, fascists, islamophobes, anti-semites, religious fanatics (from any religion), hate mongers and lgbtq-phobes

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Whitelist: People which i see contributing a lot to the community, which are helpful, which are kind or just make me laugh with their comments.
Blacklist: Rude people, bots, autojoiners and those with a lack of common sense.

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Well... Since i'm not a bot and i don't use autojoin i don't know if i prefer to be rude or without common sense...

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Ah yeah i forgot to add giving away complete garbage, thanks for reminding me.

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Now I'm reassured!

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I try to add everyone who added me to my whitelist. Unfortunately, I don't know how to identify everyone ( I don't have a blacklist yet

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Everything is reason for anything.

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I also blacklist people who blacklist me for no given reason.

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I rechecked my list of duties. Nope, announcing reasons of my decisions isn't there.

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They are complaining of the human sea, I know many souls that
toss and whirl and pass, but none there are that intrigue me
more than the Souls of White Folk.
Of them I am singularly clairvoyant. I see in and through
them. I view them from unusual points of vantage. Not as a
foreigner do I come, for I am native, not foreign, bone of
their thought and flesh of their language. Mine is not the
knowledge of the traveler or the colonial composite of dear
memories, words and wonder. Nor yet is my knowledge that
which servants have of masters, or mass of class, or capitalist
of artisan. Rather I see these souls undressed and from the
back and side. I see the working of their entrails. I know their
thoughts and they know that I know. This knowledge makes
them now embarrassed, now furious! They deny my right to
live and be and call me misbirth! My word is to them mere
bitterness and my soul, pessimism. And yet as they preach
and strut and shout and threaten, crouching as they clutch at
rags of facts and fancies to hide their nakedness, they go
twisting, flying by my tired eyes and I see them ever
stripped,-ugly, human.
The discovery of personal whiteness among the world's
peoples is a very modern thing,-a nineteenth and twentieth
century matter, indeed. The ancient world would have
laughed at such a distinction. The Middle Age regarded skin
color with mild curiosity; and even up into the eighteenth
century we were hammering our national manikins into one,
great, Universal Man, with fine frenzy which ignored color
and race even more than birth. Today we have changed all
that, and the world in a sudden, emotional conversion has
discovered that it is white and by that token, wonderful!
This assumption that of all the hues of God whiteness alone to curious acts;
even the sweeter souls of the dominant world
as they discourse with me on weather, weal, and woe are continually
playing above their actual words an obligation of tune.

"My poor, un-white thing! Weep not nor rage. I know, too
well, that the curse of God lies heavy on you. Why? That is
not for me to say, but be brave! Do your work in your lowly
sphere, praying the good Lord that into heaven above, where
all is love, you may, one day, be born-white!"
I do not laugh. I am quite straight-faced as I ask soberly:
"But what on earth is whiteness that one should so desire
it?" Then always, somehow, some way, silently but clearly, I
am given to understand that whiteness is the ownership of
the earth forever and ever, Amen!
Now what is the effect on a man or a nation when it comes
passionately to believe such an extraordinary dictum as this?
That nations are coming to believe it is manifest daily. Wave
on wave, each with increasing virulence, is dashing this new
religion of whiteness on the shores of our time. Its first effects
are funny: the strut of the Southerner, the arrogance of the
Englishman amuck, the whoop of the hoodlum who vicariously
leads your mob. Next it appears dampening generous
enthusiasm in what we once counted glorious; to free the
slave is discovered to be tolerable only in so far as it freed his
master! Do we sense somnolent writhings in black Africa or
angry groans in India or triumphant banzais in Japan? "To
your tents, 0 Israel!" These nations are not white!
After the more comic manifestations and the chilling of
generous enthusiasm come subtler, darker deeds. Everything
considered, the title to the universe claimed by White Folk is
faulty. It ought, at least, to look plausible. How easy, then,
by emphasis and omission to make children believe that every
great soul the world ever saw was a white man's soul; that
every great thought the world ever knew was a white man's
thought; that every great deed the world ever did was a white
man's deed; that every great dream the world ever sang was a
white man's dream. In fine, that if from the world were
dropped everything that could not fairly be attributed to
White Folk, the world would, if anything, be even greater,
truer, better than now. And if all this be a lie, is it not a lie
in a great cause?
Here it is that the comedy verges to tragedy. The first minor
note is struck, all unconsciously, by those worthy souls in
whom consciousness of high descent brings burning desire.

Such sense of duty assumes two things: a real possession
of the heritage and its frank appreciation by the humbleborn.
So long, then, as humble black folk, voluble with
thanks, receive barrels of old clothes from lordly and generous
whites, there is much mental peace and moral satisfaction.
But when the black man begins to dispute the white man's
title to certain alleged bequests of the Fathers in wage and
position, authority and training; and when his attitude toward
charity is sullen anger rather than humble jollity; when
he insists on his human right to swagger and swear and
waste,-then the spell is suddenly broken and the philanthropist
is ready to believe that Blacks are impudent, that
the South is right, and that Japan wants to fight America.
After this the descent to Hell is easy. On the pale, white
faces which the great billows whirl upward to my tower I see
again and again, often and still more often, a writing of human
hatred, a deep and passionate hatred, vast by the very
vagueness of its expressions. Down through the green waters,
on the bottom of the world, where men move to and fro, I
have seen a man-an educated gentleman-grow livid with
anger because a little, silent, black woman was sitting by herself
in a Pullman car. He was a white man. I have seen a
great, grown man curse a little child, who had wandered into
the wrong waiting-room, searching for its mother: "Here,
you damned black--" He was white. In Central Park I have
seen the upper lip of a quiet, peaceful man curl back in a
tigerish snarl of rage because black folk rode by in a motor
car. He was a white man. We have seen, you and I, city after
city drunk and furious with ungovernable lust of blood; mad
with murder, destroying, killing, and cursing; torturing human
victims because somebody accused of crime happened to
be of the same color as the mob's innocent victims and because
that color was not white! We have seen,-Merciful
God! in these wild days and in the name of Civilization, Justice,
and Motherhood,-what have we not seen, right here in
America, of orgy, cruelty, barbarism, and murder done to
men and women of African descent.

war,-it is but the beginning!
We see Europe's greatest sin precisely where we found Africa's
and Asia's,-in human hatred, the despising of men;
with this difference, however: Europe has the awful lesson of
the past before her, has the splendid results of widened areas
of tolerance, sympathy, and love among men, and she faces a
greater, an infinitely greater, world of men than any preceding
civilization ever faced.
It is curious to see America, the United States, looking on
herself, first, as a sort of natural peacemaker, then as a moral
protagonist in this terrible time. No nation is less fitted for
this role. For two or more centuries America has marched
proudly in the van of human hatred,-making bonfires of human
flesh and laughing at them hideously, and making the
insulting of millions more than a matter of dislike,-rather a
great religion, a world war-cry: Up white, down black; to
your tents, 0 white folk, and world war with black and particolored
mongrel beasts!
Instead of standing as a great example of the success of
democracy and the possibility of human brotherhood America
has taken her place as an awful example of its pitfalls and
failures, so far as black and brown and yellow peoples are
concerned. And this, too, in spite of the fact that there has
been no actual failure; the Indian is not dying out, the Japanese
and Chinese have not menaced the land, and the experiment
of the African ethnicity has resulted in the uplift of twelve
million people at a rate probably unparalleled in history. But
what of this? America, Land of Democracy, wanted to believe
in the failure of democracy so far as darker peoples were concerned.
Absolutely without excuse she established a caste system,
rushed into preparation for war, and conquered tropical
colonies. She stands today shoulder to shoulder with Europe
in Europe's worst sin against civilization. She aspires to sit
among the great nations who arbitrate the fate of "lesser
breeds without the law" and she is at times heartily ashamed
even of the large number of "new" white people whom her
democracy has admitted to place and power. Against this
surging forward of Irish and German, of Russian Jew, Slav
and "dago" her social bars have not availed against them
she can and does take her unflinching and immovable
stand, backed by this new public policy of Europe. She
trains her immigrants to this despising of "niggers" from the
day of their landing, and they carry and send the news back
to the submerged classes in the fatherlands.
All this I see and hear up in my tower, above the thunder
of the seven seas. From my narrowed windows I stare into
the night that looms beneath the cloud-swept stars. Eastward
and westward storms are breaking,-great, ugly whirlwinds
of hatred and blood and cruelty. I will not believe them inevitable.
I will not believe that all that was must be, that all
the shameful drama of the past must be done again today
before the sunlight sweeps the silver seas.
If I cry amid this roar of elemental forces, must my cry be
in vain, because it is but a cry,-a small and human cry amid
Promethean gloom?
Back beyond the world and swept by these wild, white
faces of the awful dead, why will this Soul of White Folk,this
modem Prometheus,-hang bound by his own binding,
tethered by a fable of the past? I hear his mighty cry reverberating
through the world, "I am white!" Well and good, 0
Prometheus, divine thief! Is not the world wide enough for
two colors, for many little shinings of the sun? Why, then,
devour your own vitals if I answer even as proudly, "I am
black!"

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Tl;dr.

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Can we get the Cliff Notes?

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For whitelist I just add people that are being nice and generous. I usually remove them only if they're inactive (6 months+).

As for blacklists, I probably only ever had 2/3 on there. I did remove my blacklists because I know how annoying it can be to have a blacklist. I remember getting around 40 blacklists from a discussion I made because a friend convinced me to post something. Now I'm still at 29 blacklists and it's kind of like a scar that won't go away anymore. But oh well, what can you do about it. Learned from my mistakes

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I do whatever the voices in my head command me to do.

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While it's mighty tempting to add someone at times, I don't currently have anyone on my BL, I really don't wanna go down the blacklisting rabbithole. I prefer limiting access to the GAs via level restrictions (even though level itself doesn't mean much these days considering how easy it is to abuse the CV system), invite only, whitelist and eventually groups once I join some.

As for whitelist - I haven't made many WL GAs lately, but I try adding active community contributors and event organizers, overall helpful or funny people and generous gifters when I see them (and don't forget to do it), but I should definitely work on expanding it a lil bit more considering how many awesome users there are! Maybe when I actually have something half-decent to give away.

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Don't whitelist people, as I have no need for it (don't, and won't, do whitelist only GAs). As for blacklisting, pretty simply, it's for people I don't like. I am now also temporarily blacklisting winners of my GAs from the train thingy I'm doing, so more people get a chance to win. After the event is done, I'll remove them... probably. Dunno when it will even end or if I'll continue making GA after that, so will see about it when I reach the end.

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Whitelist: basically shown respect and reason, giving most of won games a nice try
Blacklist: at least level 4 active users with extreme selfishness, connivance, racism and other disgusting traits and attitudes to me that I can read. It doesnt include having just a different opinion and being an occasional prick.

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Whitelist: very nice and/or very active users; users I often trade with (on Steam); users who added me on their own WL and who are doing GA for their WL

Blacklist: mainly users who abuse the CV system; also some users who are doing region restricted GAs for a region they are not living in (for example if someone from the US is only doing GA restricted to Brazil).

In the past I also included unfriendly users and users with a very bad ratio (for example 0,1 or lower) on my Blacklist, but soon I noticed that I can't put all of them on my BL anyway, which was the reason all of my public GAs are only for Lv.7 or higher. According to my experience, the higher the level, the better the overall ratio and the more likely it is that the winner will agree to delete the GA if there are problems with the key for example.

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Ohhhh, I always wondered why people said they BL people for many region restrictions or that they don't really like them. It makes sense if they are purposefully restricting it. But why are they doing it? Is it because they want one specific person to win?

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Well, once I won a game in an Indiegala GA, only to learn it was Region Restricted to USA+Africa (I am from Brazil). Since I could not use it myself, I created a GA here for it with the correct Region Restrictions.

That said, I would think that is not what the case use PotiNator is referring to? Or is it?

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Ohhhh, that makes a lotta sense too in regards to PotiNator's example but also makes me more confused as to why people would BL others for putting the correct region restrictions? I don't think it's that easy to always get a worldwide receivable key? Or at least, I don't know how to get one...
When I'm looking up subIDs for proper region restrictions, I often find that there are keys strictly for RU or PRC. I find it kinda sad if those people are BL for giving away a key for that region but not allowed to enter a GA because it has no restrictions.

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I would say it's because they are abusing the CV system.

Games have region restrictions mainly for two reasons: The first is that it's not possible to play/activate keys bought from countries in which games are very cheap compared to your own country, or the second reason would be legal reason (if a game needs some changes, cause part of the content isn't allowed in specific countries).

Back to the first reason: a game which costs 60 USD in the USA for example, often only costs around 3-5 USD in some countries like Brazil, Turkey or Russia). But keys from these countries mostly have region restrictions to their specific region. Russia for example is in a region with Belarus, Uzbekistan, Kazahstan and so on most of the time, Turkey is mostly alone and Brazil is in the same region as Argentina and some other countries in South America.
In the end you'll get 50 CV here on SG for example, but if you're giving away a region restricted key, you only have to pay 3-5 USD for example.

I'm not against it if the gifter is living in this specific region, cause it's only natural to buy keys from your own region, but if someone is living outside of this region, it's the same as exploiting the CV system for me.

PS: My latest GAs are also region restricted, but out of precaution. The EU was one of the most expensive regions until a few months ago, but nowadays USA, Australia, Switzerland and Israel are often over 10% more expensive. And if you want to gift a game directly on Steam, it's only possible if the recipient is living in a country where the gifted game is cheaper or max around 10% more expensive compared to the market price of the gifter. Which means, that I can't gift these games if the winner lives in Switzerland for example (although it's my neighbouring country, hehe). Normally this doesn't apply for keys, but ouf of precaution I included the region restriction right away.

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Ahhh, I see! For CV abuse, thanks for explaining!

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White list: Active people with good numbers (i like to see the profile page from who im interacting, i check monthly the list to clean)
Black List: normaly people with won/sent ratio unbalanced (ex: 1500/24) also rude people

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I whitelist nice people. Everytime I win a giveaway, I whitelist the owner of it. Everytime someone whitelist me, I whitelist back.
I blacklist people who blacklist me, and the usual "1 million giveaways won, 2 giveaways made 10 years ago" people too. The "thank you" people get checked to see if they deserve a blacklist (usually the "thank you" people are the "1 million giveaways won, 2 giveaways made 10 years ago" people, but sometimes they're just nice people).

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gonna sound dumb, but how do i see who has whitelisted me? i can see how many have whitelisted me, but don't see the other option.

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probably, when their WL GAs pop up
no need to whitelist people back, who never make any WL GAs and only want to participate in yours

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That, and when I'm added in a whitelist recruitment.

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I blacklist people who blacklist me first.

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