like those ever really helps...

Indeed - add the fact that from 2015 you can create PayPal dispute for 180 days still purchase (and all ypou need to do is to pay for purchases using proxy/VPN and then in dispute say your account was hijacked) - so when this happens will Valve block gifting of new purchases for 180 days to "fight scammers"?

Well, it protects the most important Us, Steam Support, from having any work due to scammers, duh. Now they can have potted plant sending automated responses like "LOL, U Mad Bro?" while they go party :|

i sure hope thats sarcasm, because if its not, you are such a sheep...

valve isnt doing this because they care about customers, they are doing it to destroy trading and to deny support to people who get scammed so as to save themselves money. All this will do is shift scams to the GIFTING system, which valve has always said they will not support or help you if you get scammed through it. Valve is being very selfish and mean-spirited with this change.

You know the new Asiatic Steam sections have even lower prices than RU? And then incompetent Steam makes them even lower by cutting off 1 or 2 zeroes at the end? Really, RU isn't responsible for all evils in this world, I assure you.

Also, I really wonder why Steam made games tradable at all if they were just going to do this down the line. No one there had brain to predict what will happen if several regions will have much lower prices?

its just the generic pr blabla

so accurate lol

lol.

I doubt there is a single business that would like to see a small business avoiding taxes and upkeep right on their steps.
So yea, trading scene takes a hit but this was inevitable.
I don't know how much governments might have to do with this but as massive as Steam is taxes are a big thing.

Not that I'm too happy about this change - it just doesn't affect me in any way or form.

To get other things like TF2 keys, and people are fond of abusing price errors to try to get more than they paid. This update is largely a result of error exploiters and RU store users.

To make profit. Why else?

lol this will only increase issues with revoked games...

depending on payment tool you are using - it can be anywhere from instantaneous (Wallet) to up to a week (some CCs and banks are just slow like that). But it still leaves open an issue of chargebacks. Lets say - I have (and use) an AmEx card that would let me open a case as far as 1 year back. Yes, I'm not abusing it (I value my Steam account and my credit score ;P), and yes - it is probably not something available in Russia or Asia or South America region (though who am I to know that for sure), and yes - if my information got stolen I would most likely catch it in less that a day (and act accordingly) - but there's still a possibility of abuse. And what about Paypal - afaik they have up to 6 months for chargebacks? Than I don't see how 30 days would protect the end consumer (e.a. any side of now not fully legitimate "gift" trades)

Because 5 days is not enough time to pick up credit card fraud. For example, on here, I had entered a giveaway for a game, and a few days later I won. I got the game via gift and even played it. 2 weeks later I get a message from steam that the game has been revoked.

So it can take 2 to 3 weeks before credit card fraud is detected. Even if you use a credit card with paypal or some other paying method, it can take that long for it to be picked up.

Basically if they wanted to make things more secure they just did the opposite. Because now more people who don't want to wait 30 days to pick up something at a cheap price will take the chance and go with the gifting option where they have to send the stuff first, which means far more people are going to get scammed because too many people are unwilling to wait.

The only way to make gifting more secure is valve only allows gifting with steam wallet and only with funds that has been in the wallet at least 30 days. And even then there is still the issue with people sending first will still get scammed by people. At least with trading in a trade window, if you trade keys to me for a game I have, and 3 weeks later that game gets revoked because I used a fake or stolen credit card to buy it, you would get your keys back too.

its not a good thing, it just shifts the problem to the gifting system, PURELY so that valve no longer has to support people who get scammed (because valve wont help with scams that happen outside of the trading system). This isnt about making trading safer, this is about killing trading, and taking support away from the majority of people who get scammed.

It is affected by the 30 days as well.

Like there are people that actually care about PB lol

Trading is affected but not so much due to price drops/errors, but rather the fact that people depending on price errors and RU steam (and similar) won't have an easy flowing influx of stuff. That and affecting the high priced/demand stuff.

More mundane fare will likely be done by key exchanges.

What?
you say this kills price ERRORS and your statement is this sucks?

rly?

Well, while I can understand the hit on PB, it will mainly hit the leaderboards events. Else, you wait 30-days before giving it to the bot, if PB doesn't find another way (like accepting gifts and putting them in the inventory - and it's up to PB to wait for the end of the restriction) to submit it faster.

PB is shit anyways, but they could do like in Game Miner, you gift to an email the game.

In that one month, various activation/trade/gifting locks can be applied.

Same. 30 Days is an awful lot

+1

'#believe my friend :C

well, haven't seen a single user happy about the change, so one can only hope

It's possible. Perhaps they simply don't want to to deal with the huge number of support tickets they will see over the Winter Sale period and may rescind the lock after that period is over.

Well the only other way would be to pass down the supposedly savings they would have made on this move to their consumers (not likely, majority of businesses don't do that).

Frankly they'd have to see substantial market share damage before they bother doing anything. They have a near monopoly when it comes to selling PC games. Origins and co. are rather minuscule in comparison.

Not really. Tf2 keys will remain. You can gift keys

Because people are dumb and anti scam measures are supposed to protect dumb people the most. And this will only hurt them more.

You don't see an issue because you obviously don't know how it all works.

Sellers reduce their price during sales because they can buy the games cheaper. Once the sales end, the sellers prices goes up. Sales don't last 30 days and no seller will sell for the sale price after it has ended.
This is a bad thing for buyers and sellers.

No more opening 4 packs on the cheap, or even free. No more cheap games during sales.

A trader will not stock insane amount of games in the hope that he will be able to sell them later. During sales, most of them buy on demand so they will buy a few and 30 days later will sell their limited stock for a lot more than it was during the sale.

Plus, there are a lot less chances that they will have the game you wanted if it is some more obscure/indie title as they will most likely stock up on whatever they think will sell best.

the three answers above basically, say ta-ta to getting cheap on-sale games for your keys safely

So much this. The workload of Steam support relating to scams will drop tenfold since trade window will be even safer than before and they can just auto reply "you should have gone through trade window, your fault" to the rest of scam related tickets. Remember that Steam support was down last week due to ticket overload.

Yeah and of course business should not care about earning money and allow people to bypass a system and purchase cheap games from the restricted regions.