Use Google. It's the first result.
Also, why the loving f*ck do you have Java installed?
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"To turn off UAC, move the slider to the Never notify position"
Yes, thank you for pointing out the fucking obvious. Now if you will actually care to read the post?
As for Java, I have no idea. I only ever notice it because it bitchs to me all the time about needing an update it never actually downloaded. I just assume it came with Minecraft or something, it never really bothered me. My point was that it was a very common program. Another one is puush, one I trust to work without W7 asking me "Are you super duper sure about this one?" every single time.
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With the amount of crap they deal with, they have a right to be sound a bit more pissed than the average steamgifts user. Also jade is just like that, so...
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If someone gives me dumb as hell advice because they couldn't be bothered to read the damn post, I'm going to call them out on it.
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I don't know the context of that, so I won't comment on it, but if that's how it truly went, I would be among the half of the community on your side.
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But that doesn't mean they have to be uptight and cannot get mad or something. Sure it's nice to keep your composure when you're a staff member for the sake of every member, staff and non-staff, but come on. We're humans.
...except cg. He's a robot...
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You can't complain about getting prompts when you haven't turned it off entirely, as you should have done immediately. No "step 3". Get your ship together.
As for Java, it has no place on anyone's computer. In fact, if I were your computer, I'd format my hard drive simply because you put Java on it.
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"You can't complain about getting prompts when you haven't turned it off entirely, as you should have done immediately."
You have misread my entire post so well. Have an achievement.
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"I sure as hell am not going for 4"
That's your problem, not mine. Why are you complaining about Windows protecting you and also complaining that you don't want to turn it off because you don't want to be protected? You can't have it both ways.
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He wants more fine grained control over the protection he's given. Seems like a fairly reasonable request. Windows 7 has designed this safety feature in such a way that everyone just disables it completely. Security is all about a tradeoff between security and convenience. The design of UAC is basically best security with terrible convenience or no security with full convenience. There should be some options in between.
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Fine-grained... how? UAC pops when something wants to perform administrative duties on the computer. Here's the list:
Running an application as administrator
Changes to system-wide settings or to files in the Windows or Program Files folders
Installing and uninstalling drivers & applications
Installing ActiveX controls
Changing settings to the Windows Firewall
Changing UAC settings
Configuring Windows Update
Adding or removing user accounts
Changing a user’s account type
Configuring Parental Controls or Family Safety
Running Task Scheduler
Restoring backed-up system files
Viewing or changing another user’s folders and files
Changing the system date and time
There are serious things. No half-decent software should EVER pop an UAC dialog during regular work, because it has no place doing any of the above. If it does do that, well, you can't do anything else but consider it malicious. If you're annoyed by protection from severe system changes, then turn the god damn thing off and stop whining.
The rant was about UAC popping when trying to disable it. Well no shit, of course you have to confirm that you want to disable it, otherwise anything on your computer could do so and fsck everything up.
There is NOTHING wrong with how UAC works in 7/8. In Vista it was horribly obtrusive, but Vista is dead and that scenario is long gone.
Now when you also consider blatantly false statements such as "XP only used to ask once", whereas in fact XP never asked for anything... (Both true and false. One of the later service packs allowed Windows to check some file metadata to pop a warning dialog, and IE is I think the only piece of software that sets that metadata on downloaded executables; I also think it gets wiped when you move the file from its download location, but I'm not sure.)
This is a case of PEBKAC, extremely low computer knowledge, and nothing else.
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The problem in my experience is that some programs change system settings when they run and you'll get the popup, you get the popup whenever a program updates, etc... With the amount of software the prompts could be annoying and it would be nice to say "Shut up, I trust this software". Implementing such a request would decrease security but I don't think it's entirely unreasonable to want.
Hell, just including a list like you showed with the possibility to enable the popup for each type of change would be an improvement. The rant is about not having fine-grained control. He also had one complaint that served as an example of how ridiculous it can be. He looked at his settings, changed nothing, and then hit ok at which point he was asked if he really wanted to make the change.
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You can't "trust this software" if it wants to do any of the things listed above, except when it's installed under Program Files and wants to update - and that won't happen very often.
You honestly don't need anything more fine-grained. Does the program want to update and you trust it? Allow. Does it want to do something weird when it's not updating? It's malicious, you must not trust it, and it needs to be removed from your computer as soon as possible.
An internal "changed" flag switches when you move a slider. Of course you have to confirm, because you made a change - that the change is the same setting as it was is irrelevant. It has been changed and needs confirmation.
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While I agree with what you're saying regarding the trust issue that's not really the point. The choices are either a level of security that annoys many users or nothing at all. Ultimately this leads to many users making the choice to disable the feature entirely which leads to less security than if they provided a bit more fine grained control in the first place. You can argue that it's perfectly reasonable behavior from a security standpoint, I actually agree with that, but good security takes into account the things that are going to annoy the user's as well so they don't just work around your security measures completely.
It's essentially the same story as complex password policies. Yes, they would make things secure if people followed them. The problem is that once your policy becomes too complex people just write their passwords down and you've lost most of your security.
I'm also well aware that as soon as the slider changes position it will mark it internally as a change. From the user's perspective that's illogical behavior. I've seen some dialogs that handle this well and actually check if the value is different, which in my opinion, is how it should be done.
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You can actually use Java on websites for added client-server functions. The best example: go to nVidia's drivers and controllers (at their website), and click on the button to automatically find your OS, GPU and all the boring stuff by itself. Needs Java installed, thus it's quite handy.
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No, don't, just don't. Java is inherently broken, it's responsible for most malware and virus infections, it's swiss cheese and you can't do anything about it. A random applet won't change the fact that your computer will get owned sooner or later. Just get rid of Java.
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Get a legal copy of Win7 and turning off UAC will work.
Edit: Besides, it has to ask if you confirm turning off UAC, because of parental control and non-administrator accounts and how non-administrator accounts need an administrator's permission to make changes. This is still enabled in administrator accounts because people like to know what changes they are doing.
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I'm not using a pirated copy, you goddamn genius.
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Yeah but it's not a great solution to turn UAC completely off, he wanted something more akin to Win XP where you can select "I trust this program" for UAC to never again popup for that single program.
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Believe me, I'm getting it. Windows Vista and 7 have left a distinctly bad taste in my mouth. 8 couldn't possibly be worse.
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Meh. Titanfall will make up for it. Everything I've read about it says 8 is generally better in every way once you get used to it.
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So wait, you're complaining about having to deal with a security issue that goes away once your usual changes are escalated (W7 really reduced the prompts - they only often occur if trying to run programs that need proper system-wide admin privileges) but would be happy to move to a system that has a completely different UI for the sake of having one AND has the same UAC system, so you'll be dealing with the escalation prompts anyway.
It's there for a reason - do away with it if you want, but don't be surprised when some program eats your system alive because you allowed it in.
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And a reading comprehension fail goes to another user. Oh, man, this is truly a beautiful day for the awards cermony.
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"Everything I've read about it says 8 is generally better in every way once you get used to it."
8 is 7 with a different user interface. Apart from a few bits of under-the-hood tweaks (faster booting etc) there is very little difference but it's all hidden behind a schizophrenic design that demands you use both the Modern/Metro UI and Desktop UI to get stuff done.
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Just look what M$ is doing with that crap. Its designed for TABLETS, every single control is on different place than the other and the biggest bullshit is start button(yes, i know there are programs for that). At least M$ will return it in 8.1. The start button which brings you to Metro.
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Secret admin account. Seriously, just enable it and you'll have no trouble with this UAC crap
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Yes, I do, which is why I don't have it on never notify and I don't want to despite what the geniuses here think I should do without reading.
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You hate all the options. I still vote for 4. Learn to not click on suspicious links :P
That's also why you have virus scan, firewall, spyware/adware scans.
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I'm seriously tempted to, but there've been times when UAC was the only thing stopping me from doing something remarkably stupid, so I want to leave it on. My complain is that Windows XP did the same thing in a far superior manner, giving you control over individual programs.
And the virus scan on this PC is McAfee. q.q It can't pick up jack. Honestly, I think I do have a keylogger on this PC, but nothing's picking it up.
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Go through your running processes, enable the viewing of hidden processes and find the suspicious ones. Google their process names <process>.exe and find the keygen. Delete it manually. This is how I got rid of 90% of my trojans/viruses. Nowadays I just don't get them.
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Been doing that if only to save the crap CPU from melting.
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Wut? Windows XP enforced ZERO process escalation. You either ran as a standard user who couldn't do SFA or an admin that had deep root-level access to the operating system. There was no 'granular control' that doesn't currently still exist with the added UAC prompt to say 'do you really want to do this?'
You've also said in this comment that 'it has saved you from doing something stupid'. Does that not mean it's completely justified in existing?
The reason you got a UAC prompt when turning UAC off is because the first thing malware tries to do is turn UAC off.
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You and I must have been running two different versions of XP.
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That came with SP3, I believe, and still exists in Windows 7 even with UAC turned off.
But it doesn't stop you from being an idiot. It doesn't really stop you from anything. If you were dumb enough to download it, are you really smart enough to read that box saying that download may be dangerous?
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I did read the post, after edits, too.
I'm saying that UAC is stupid and as long as you pay for games and movies like a good boy (or have common sense while doing it, also I do not endorse piracy in any way and I oppose it to some degree,) you won't get viruses.
I'm even going to go as far as to say that computers genuinely don't need a piece of antivirus software as long as the user has enough common sense (which is rare and you still need to practice extreme care while browsing/downloading anywhere and anything).
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Where in the hell do you get the impression I'm pirating shit from? Seriously, stop insinuating that, you look like a fool.
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The way you put it can only be taken literally. You could've said something like "pirated software has a higher chance of fucking up you comp", but you didn't. You immediatly assumed the OP was a pirate and continued to base your moronic posts on that.
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You do understand that privilege escalation is a key fundamental security feature to prevent remote or behind the scene attacks on a computer?
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Honestly, even if 7 is better, that won't make me feel any more cheer toward it. A solid turd is still a solid turd even if you put it next to diarrhea.
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i prefere a keep 'em separated strategy: my corporate laptop has a compulsory 7 with a crapload of safety crippleware that makes it really crawl (but it is supposed to be safe), but apart from that i have my macs for my hobbies (they just work), my linux boxes for nerding around and my xp box just for gaming. better get the best from each one.
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LOL. I imagine you at the table surrounded by desktops and laptops with barely any room for the mouse and keyboard :-P
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2/10
Try harder OP.
I like windows 7. It looks good, it uses little CPU (could use less) which allows for better gaming. The UAC is there for idiots, if you think you are not an idiot, then disable it. If you fuckup your pc because you clicked on something, then you are an idiot and should use UAC.
Here is a suggestion: Send a suggestion to Microsoft to put in a "I trust this program, never ask me again." tick box in the UI of the UAC. Although they will probably never reply. In which case, learn some C# to edit the UI of UAC.
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So... what you're telling me... is that I should mail Microsoft... to get them to put in a system they already had two OSes ago... right. I see.
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Did you just tell someone to learn C# to use an OS?
-2/10
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Of course 7 is designed to be used with idiots in mind, do you realize that the majority population of people using computers have no clue what they're doing when they're using a computer? So the hand-holding, it is necessary in some degree for plenty of people, I know people who still run Win7 with UAC turned on maximum, not because they never wanted to turn it off, but because they require that protection layer. Windows 8 is better than Windows 7, it removes the parts of Windows 7 that people don't like (like UAC), and keeps the parts they do like (like the taskbar), the lack of a start menu? Honestly if it's that big of a deal to you, then I guess you've got more problems adapting than the normal person... When I first looked at it, sure it looked like, eh? No start menu? But it's not really a big deal for me, as I typically stay within desktop mode, rarely touch the Windows 8 Menu, and do everything I need to do through having windows explorer and control panel pinned to the task bar, along with any other frequent programs I use. I didn't find Windows 7 to be a pain, I saw the UAC, knew that I did not need the UAC, and so I turned it off. Used Win7 for a few years, then went to Win8 where there's no more UAC, because they learned that people didn't like it. Still Win7 for those who require that extra layer of protection because THEY ARE THE IDIOTS IT WAS DESIGNED FOR, doesn't make Win7 bad.
I understand you don't want to turn it completely off, but instead of complain about it, why not just go get a copy of Windows XP and install that instead hm? Maybe even Windows 98 if you feel like it, and 3.1, ya'know, that was better than XP.
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At least you're going to Windows 8. I honestly don't get all the people who always go around saying "Previous version of Microsoft Windows is better, don't upgrade to the newest one!" It happened with XP-Vista, Vista-7, 7-8 now too? Hell it even happened with Win98-ME-XP (though to be honest ME was a piece of trash anyways.) Sure it takes some adaptation, but I find 8 to be better than 7, better than Vista, and so on. 7's taskbar icons and pinning got me for a little while at first, but it's the best change to the taskbar since the start menu :p, and windows 8 removing that start menu? Eh, no big deal... Windows 8 having their full screen style touch-designed start menu? Eh, no big deal, I just stay in Desktop mode 99% of the time, which is just like older Windows styles without the start menu, big woop :p
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One more year of life isn't good enough for me, I'm afraid, and while the OS may be supported, more and more programs once designed for it are not.
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Try the free trial of Windows 7 Manager. You can turn off and tweak mostly everything, with minimal effort. You can have it work exactly as you want it it. It explains everything to you, so it should be a breeze. Just mouse over the options and it will tell you what they do.
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Or you could just enable the God Mode control panel. (I am not responsible for what people do in this panel, you CAN fuck your computer up with it if you're dumb.)
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Please, for the love of god, tell me you use condoms.
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I asked the pharmacist, but it turns out they didn't sell five dollar footlongs.
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Wow, you're overpaying if it's costing you $5 for a footlong
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You didnt look hard enough it right next to the jumbo size dip
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Only reusable ones I hear, legend has it that he still uses the same one from years ago because of sentimental value.
So sweet, would marry/10
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How am I gonna have sexy time with Mrs. Claus?
:-(
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She is all over the place but yes she does, sometimes the elfs get invoved also and thats when it gets real magical, let me put it this way, remember those toys you put on your toy list as a kid but didn't get? Its not that santa didnt care...its just that Mrs. Claus is hefty and toys get lost....I should stop and go to bed and not finish this story.
Good Night :-).
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Great, I was about to sleep too... now you've given me nightmares.
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Windows 7 actually had some serious stability issues on my old laptop that runs Win7. Windows 8 on the other hand, haven't had a stability issue with yet after 8 months, I think my computer has been turned off maybe 10 times in the past 8 months, and I think all but once was my own doing :p
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That's why I use Comodo. It does exactly that and more. :)
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I think a comment string got deleted: As to the difficulty of putting together a PC when it comes to the fragile cpu. It's really the only part expensive and fragile enough to be an issue at least, and even then, you'll only mess it up in extreme circumstances. Even then, it can be fixed if you don't mess it up badly. I bent a pin (enough that it wouldn't work) when putting this PC together, but after 15min of beating myself up about it, I sat down, moved the pin back into place, and it's worked fine since. (8 months so far) I only bent the pin because I pressed down too hard on the locking mechanism, so even then, it's hard to mess up the cpu. It's fragile, but a tiny slip up won't destroy it completely.
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Don't forget the heatsink. That's the other step I've regularly heard of people damaging their machine. People have been known to tighten them too much.
A less severe but still slightly problematic thing is people using too much thermal grease. If you've put some on and you think you need more, you're probably wrong.
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Since I installed 7, I never thought of XP, never again. God that OS was awful, very unstable and insecure. BSOD were an everyday thing with that piece of sh**, while 7 has never given me any trouble, at all, and I'm doing just about the same things I did before with XP.
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Most of my BSoDs on XP were hardware screwups, but most of 7s have been the OS disliking existence. For me, at least, XP was more stable.
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I had to install XP again some time ago to run a game, made a partition and installed it there. Guess what? BSOD within 4 HOURS of running the game. Got rid of it for good, I will never play that game again if it doesn't get Linux or 7/8 compatibility. At least for me, XP sucked, big.
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That is a pain in the ass. I just tell it to stop bugging me with that crap, and am hyper-cautious when it come to what programs I install. Though I would much rather have the option to select individual programs to trust. Would make it easier on me when I'm at my computer at 3am and am too medicated to think straight. lol
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A computer is only what a human makes it to be, making any faults in it faults in the programmer.
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Are you fucking kidding me?!
Windows 7 is absolutely fucking designed from the ground up to be used by an idiot. It has made literally every single control much harder to find so you have less chance of fucking it up. Here you see I have four options.
Windows asks me about literally every single thing I do and dims the screen until I deal with it's bullshit.
Windows asks me about literally every single program I run (not including Windows settings (supposedly)). It again dims the screen.
Windows asks me about literally every single program I run (not including Windows settings (supposedly)). It does not dim the screen.
Windows never asks me about any program I ever want to run.
Those are the four most fucking stupid options I have ever seen. I sure as hell am not going for 4 because sometimes I click on something suspicious I later regret. But 3 asks me about the most inane shit, including two programs that run on start up. I finally snapped and tried again. I was already on 3 and it asked me about fucking JAVA. I looked around for any way I could change my settings and gave up, setting for 3 again.
I pressed Okay.
It asked me if I trusted a Microsoft program for Windows 7 to make not a single change to Windows 7.
What in the hell happened to Windows XP, where you could have it ask you about any program once and there was a nice simple tickbox that said "I trust this, never ask me again"? None of this bullshit.
I fucking hate this laptop and everything it stands for. The SG chat knows the reasons for this well. I now wish to proclaim my hatred for this piece of shit called Windows 7. If there's useful options somewhere in this crapheap of an OS, it's buried under a mountain of useless crap to try and discourage me from searching any more. Well, good job, shitty design, you did your job correctly.
Edit: Man, this could have been a puzzle giveaway and no-one would ever notice. Hmm...
Oh, and yes, I have the admin account. This isn't some parental control crud.
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