They'll take a look at it, just don't expect a speedy response. I'd recommend including as much evidence as possible with your ticket. I'm not sure if it really qualifies as misuse of feedback, but it's worth a try.
If you wanted to trade with me, I'd investigate the feedback and ignore that -1 given the situation, and I imagine most people would do the same. So don't worry about it too much.
And not to rub salt in the wound, but those Doorways games have been free before...
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Haha. Most the games he had have been free before. I was just cutting my losses and trying not to leave entirely empty handed.
Thanks for the advice.
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You accepted his counteroffer and in the end got something in return.
Wether its what u wanted doesnt matter.
You shouldnt have accepted that counteroffer if you didnt like it and should have sticked to the deal you made. If he cant comply its a very valid reason to give negative feedback.
Now its imo not enough to add negative rep.
Contact him again and propose you both remove the negative rep.
It will make future trading for you easier.
EDIT: I see you have 4+, 1-. And with the explanation you wrote I wouldnt have a problem trading with you.
In the end its not worth it though I understand its frustrating.
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I have 4+,1-
And I hardly count "I don't have the game anymore, tough shit, choose something else" as a counter offer. He already had my key at that point. If he had the second game I chose I would have left positive feedback because everyone makes mistakes. But then when I chose the only other game that sparked any interest, he gave me two used codes, then told me choose something else.
That level of carelessness, including STILL not updating his tradelist to remove those games is worthy of negative feedback in my opinion.
Maybe I shouldn't have accepted the throwaway games. Like I said, I' new here, and wasn't sure what the protocol is in that situation. I figured something, anything, was better than nothing. But that doesn't mean it was a successful or positive trade.
Thanks for the feedback. I like to think of/ hear all sides of this.
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I thought about this as well. But I figured
A.) Even if I walk away entirely, he'll still probably leave me negative feedback as revenge, and
B.) I honestly kept moving the goalposts because I REALLY didn't want to leave him negative feedback. When he flaked on the first game I thought "I'll leave him positive because he's trying to make up for it". Then when he didn't have the second game I was STILL debating not leaving any feedback at all. I waited a full day to do anything and he didn't leave me any feedback in that time either. Which I'm confident was so he could strike back against me if I left him negative. Then after that wait, I checked to make sure he had been on in that time, and went to his list to see if he removed those games he didn't have. My reasoning being that if he had, I'd just let it go.
But he didn't. And that was the final nail in the coffin. I don't want someone else getting screwed.
I think I'll just put in a support ticket, attach the chat logs, and let the dice fall where they will.
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I don't really consider it a counteroffer if he already has my key. He didn't say, " I dont have theif town, can I offer you something else?"
He told me he DID have thief town, and then AFTER i sent him my key he said, "sorry, actually I don't. Choose something else."
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You're correct. At that point it's not a counter-offer.
This is a common scammer tactic, and is scamming, period, whether you accept the free games or not.
Their intent from the start is to scam you.
Trading through Barter.vg offers an extra layer of security on such things.
Make sure to report the user to Steam and Steamrep.
Send an 'Other' ticket to remove retaliatory feedback- though no telling if that'll go through or not.
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You never had a trade in which you offered a key which you forgot to mark as traded or redeemed?
It happened to me a few times. I always made sure the deal ended with both parties happy though.
A guy with 70 succesful trades isnt starting to scam for a bundle key. lol
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He told me he DID have thief town, and then AFTER i sent him my key he said, "sorry, actually I don't. Choose something else."
If i were you, i would say NO to all his new offers and ask him to give my CD-KEY back and if he refuse to do it and has anything else to say, i would leave a negative trade feedback. If he make a revenge negative feedback, i have my chat log that it will support me against his fake -feedback.
But about your case, you have accepted his new offers and your agreement is registered in chat log so i really have serious doubt if SG mods or admins accept your request to remove his negative feedback.
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He didn't have a choice. If he didn't want those games, he gave his game already so like I said he come up empty handed. And leave a negative feedback. What will it do to him? What is his return?
If he didn't give his game first and wanted those games, then I would agree with you. That would be "unsatisfied" completed trade. Not this one.
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Ofcourse he had a choice.
I understand, I do. No one wants to leave empty handed.
He could have left a positive rep with a side note: "Traders key didnt work, the alternative key didnt work as well so I ended up with 2 games I didnt really want. But it was either that or leave empty handed. The trade was completed but I advice other traders to be careful since this person obviously made a mess of his keys administration"
Or something like that ;)
Since that guy's rep was clean before this trade I'd go with that.
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I see were you're coming from, I really do. I should have left empty handed because that might have given me some sort of moral high ground.
If you read elsewhere in the thread you'll see me address this to another user. I really considered that but ultimately I kept moving the goalpoists and trying to convince myself everything was cool and I shouldn't leave a negative.
Basically this. http://i.imgur.com/c4jt321.png
I was just not going to leave feedback at all until I saw he still hasn't removed those games from his list. That moved the ordeal dangerously close to scam territory in my mind and I felt it was my responsibility to warn others.
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So let me get this logic straight.
You go to a restaurant and order a burger. They say "sure we can do that. But you have to pay up front and there are no refunds." So you pay them and they go "sorry, out of burger. Choose something else. but we'll give you fries on the house for our mistake"
So you go, "how about a philly cheesesteak?" . They say, "coming right up!- oh wait we're out of that too choose something else."
So you order a hotdog even though you don't like hot dogs because you can't get your money back and leave.
You should then go on yelp and leave them a positive review?
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I wouldnt eat at a restaurant where they would say that.
Besides that, money is always refundable whilst a gamekey once used isnt. I think that comparison you made doesnt make any sense.
There's still the option of not giving feedback at all.....
I'm curious what the admins here think of it. Its interesting imo.
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Exactly.......a gamekey isn't refundable.
Which is why I couldn't just say "trade off" and walk away.
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Kind of seems like he 'agreed' to take those games with a gun to his head. If those games had been the initial offer I don't think he would've have agreed to the trade at all.
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You DID have a bad trade experience and intentionally or not he kinda screwed you. You can't exactly back out of a trade after you've already gone first. He made a mistake and intentional or not it makes him a risky trader. Submit a support ticket and explain it just as you did here and link the chatlog. Tell them that if they feel the feedback you left for him isn't justified that they can remove the feedback you left for him as well.
You are not a liar, you have the chatlog to prove it. Either way they will remove the feedback he left for you. Might take a month or so, but they'll get to it.
Easy route: Offer him to both remove eachother's feedbacks.
Route of justice: Support ticket, but you'll be stuck with that neg rep for weeks or month(s) until someone can get to your ticket.
*edit: I would say that if it has just been the one key then just go the easy route, but the fact that it was THREE keys that he didn't have or were already used, that makes him way too sketchy to deal with and the -rep is entirely justified.
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If someone is liar it is this dude who scammed you. For me it's just a scam. He offers something he doesn't have, takes keys first and than he goes like "oops, my bad, take some crappy leftover instead". IMHO you should report him, provide all evidences you can and wait. VERITAS VINCIT !
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Yea, god forbid I end up in a bad trade in the future I'll be more careful to scroll up and grab it all. All that's cut off is him asking "can I help you?" and then me responding we were supposed to trade x for y. Which you can still actually read just from the bottom half of letters if you look closely.
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it would not do if he have 80 plus and 1 negative reps but since he have only 4 and allready 1 neg, i personally would not trade with him and like he said before he accept a trade. It was not the trade he want but he accept it so his neg rep he leave is basicly also a fake rep.
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Woah. I would also give him negative rep. Don't get me wrong, I once traded with guy and it turns out that the code I had was a duplicate. Oh, and the other time I traded game that got revoked. Both times I just ask them for a little time and send them either the right games or the games they gave me. That, in my opinion, is the right thing to do.
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Agreed. I used to trade physical games a long time ago on sites like cheapassgamer,Goozex, etc. and had it happen to me once where I traded a game to gamestop and forgot only to accept a trade for it. So I went out and bought a copy and sent it because I figured it was my mistake, I'll take the hit on it.
Now I understand not everybody is willing, or even really capable, of doing that. But then you should be willing to own up and lose face without getting angry.
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I fully agree with you. By agreeing to trade and especially asking someone to go first, you're taking full responsibility for it. That's why when I started trading I wasn't very keen on idea of "low rep go first" and surprisingly actually every high level user I traded with didn't have problem with that. Now I don't mind going first, unless we are talking about something of really high value.
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That really just seems like a way to cause even more drama...
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http://i.imgur.com/5s4kkZ1.gif
It seems like shit stirring to me, but I don't mind at all. I have nothing to hide here.
And I've said my piece, it's only fair he has a chance to say his if he'd like.
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I'd just send Support Ticket and let them sort this out.
Unless he changed it in last few minutes, I'd add screen of games-list, to show he still offers that game(s).
And I guess lesson for everyone: always ask in chat if offer is still valid before sending keys.
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It's hard to tell because that part of the chat log is chopped of but if you squint hard you can see I did ask him over steam chat about the trade and he agreed. I didn't just cold start a chat message y sending him keys.
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Here's my two cents on this:
First of all, I think you're approaching this a bit wrong and I can understand since you're new so I'll explain:
People / traders around here are not 'shops'.
Where as in the business world it would be acceptable to leave a negative comment on 'bad service' for a shop / business or whatnot, here we're talking about individual people.
Here - The negative feedback system is usually used as way to warn others of scammers, meaning people that try to deliberately fool people and trick them into giving them free stuff / money.
So, the mere fact the guy made a mistake (he didn't try to scam you since he offered another key instead) shouldn't warrent a negative feedback (unless the guy was acting rude or obnoxious in general).
So what I'm saying is - The negative feedback system is usually used for 'don't come near this guy he's shady and obnoxious' rather than 'his service was not top notch'.
Here's what I learn from the guys profile -
He joined a year ago, has 71 positive feedbacks means hes done alot of good trades and hes probably not up to shady stuff.
Also, hes got about 200 gifts sent in giveaways, meaning hes not cheap.
Scammers / cheapskates wouldn't have that kind of record (usually).
Also, leaving negative feedback would almost always get you one in return. So its best to avoid it when possible and to solve the issue before you flag someone with negative feedback.
My recommendation - talk to him and try to reach an agreement to mutually remove the negative feedback.
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If the only reason to leave negative feedback is for confirmed scammers, then what's the purpose of a feedback system at all? Shouldn't a confirmed, card-carrying scammer just be banned altogether?
What if, not saying this is the case, but what if this guy intentionally scammed me because he figured he's got nothing to lose. My 1 negative feedback doesn't hold weight against his 71 positive.
I should just look at his record and say, "seems like a top lad. I'll just keep mum so as not to tarnish his reputation". ?
Sad part is I might have even done that if he had immediately removed the games from his list.
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Regarding the nothing to lose, thats not exactly the case - negative feedback is negative feedback. And people look at it, it leaves its mark.
A guy can have 100 positive feedbacks but people would always peek at the -1 negative one to see what went on there.
I don't think he scammed you on purpose. Perhaps however, he didn't solve this the right way.
See, when I make similar mistakes, I compensate the one I trade with by giving him a choice of something else of equal value or more. Sometimes even two games in return.
If you feel he brushed you off by throwing a 'crap' gamekey your way without trying to make sure you're satisfied then yes, a negative feedback is in order, however, its best to actually talk to the guy about it first rather than leave a 'strike'.
So, I would recommend to talk to him and see if he can give you something you actually want in return. Either now, or later on down the line in case he has nothing else in his stock.
If he doesn't want to talk to you or hear what you have to say, then yes, a negative feedback is in order.
Also, the games hes missing are still on his trade list? how long after the trade?
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I don't know, I feel like "Hey, I took your code and don't have what you asked for. Take this worthless thing, or nothing," is close enough to a scam that the exact intent might not matter. It's extremely poor practice.
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Not worthless. When I made similar mistakes in the past, I gave away things that are 'valued' more. That depends on the person.
What I'm saying is, it would seem that it isn't the guys 'mode of operation'
If the guy didn't give him any choice in the matter and just threw a crappy game key at him, thats a different story and could warrent negative feedback yes
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And I'd consider that fine in most cases. But not in this specific one.
I do think it is something of a problem that there apparently aren't clear guidelines for the feedback system...some people think negative feedback should be saved for obvious scams, while others will leave negative feedback for rudeness, unresponsiveness or just declining a trade...
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Actually, the staff has clear restrictions that they've clarified, as follows:
So long as an actual trade attempt occurred [versus just preliminary discussion], you may leave feedback based on your experience with that attempt. If it failed due to the other party changing their tradables or behaving in a manner that prevented the trade from completing, that's acceptable to report on.
It is not acceptable to report if they try to change the trade agreement before you actually try to start exchanging games, or if they deliberately cancel the trade, or so forth- anything* that happens outside of a trade attempt isn't valid for a trade feedback.
* With the possible exception of subsequent bullying behaviors, such as spamming insulting comments everywhere- not sure if that was ever clarified one way or another.
That's how they explained it to me, in any case.
That aside, "attempted scam" and "likely a scam" are definitely warning flags that need to be reported. People can based their judgement off the specs of both parties involved, and the details in the feedback- I don't know of anyone that doesn't actually look into negative feedback for details before making assumptions on it.
If someone has 50 "possibly a scam" encounters but noone posts feedback on them.. that's how scammers thrive.
And, as I've noted elsewhere, the scenario detailed is a very common trade scam- the scammers intentionally use the free games to create that sort of confused obligation not to report them / faking sincerity (and hoping the other party doesn't realize they're free games), without ever having had any intent to trade the game they'd listed.
In fact, the key component of this type of scam is that the scammer always emphasizes that the other party has to trade first, in defiance of the usual 'best feedback goes last' accord.
So yeah, right now, all the evidence is pretty damning. So in light of all that, why risk not reporting them? :/
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Again, the "I don't have it, here have these games" / you later find out are free, is a very common scammer tactic. It's intentional.
There's no reason whatsoever to think it wasn't in this case, as well, until the individual attempts to resolve the matter properly.
Currently that other individual is firmly in the wrong, regardless of their intent, and they need to make amends before the negative feedback can be considered reasonable to be removed.
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Yes, I already said that I agree. I know the guy did wrong and he should make up for that mistake.
I do think, however its best to talk to him first, if hes being a dick then yes, leave the negative feedback.
some people leave negative feedback without trying to solve the issue first.
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Tzell
Here's my two cents on this:
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This is an extremely common scammer tactic, and even it wasn't intentional, you're negating the entire purpose of the feedback system in the first place!
Much like Non-Activations/Multi-Wins, if he later provides the keys, the neg feedback can be cleared, but obviously, mistake or not, it deserves to be there!
And "service was not top notch"? Tthis is more in line of "dine and dash" (and then when caught at the door, you say "here, how about I give you everything in my wallet and we call it square", and reveal all you have is pennies?)!
You're making a lot of assumptions about the individual- which is fine, for your assessment.
But expecting others to provide feedback in the same manner as you do, is like expecting people to hold to the same black/whitelist standards.
Moreso, what if this user simply doesn't have prior negative feedback for his scams because people kept doing what you just said to do?!
Your perspective is completely undermining the purpose of feedback, and is putting others at risk.
Let us make our own assessments.
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Theres a reason why I said 'heres my two cents' rather than 'this is how you should react'.
And when you say my perspective is undermining the purpose of feedback, we should first define the clear purpose of feedback in this context.
And regarding assumptions - thats what we all do when we try to judge a persons intentions. I can only go buy the information gathered by his profile regarding the person's past activities.
And like i said before, I don't think the guy is right, I think hes wrong, but I do think it should be discussed first.
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First off, sorry if you were taking a more moderate perspective than I interpreted.
Second, the fact is, that feedback is as crucial as any of the other details on that person's profile.
And if that person legitimately feels it's undeserved, they'll first attempt to clear up the matter with the person leaving the neg rep- or with SG staff- or leave a feedback reply clarifying the situation.
Noone I know of takes neg feedback at face value unless there's reason to. It's just a resource, same as any of the other things you mentioned, in helping us determine the nature of the individual.
And it can be dangerous to lean toward generous responses, since that's how scammers thrive.
So yes, both individuals should aim to work out the situation if possible, but that doesn't mean the negative feedback needs to be removed until then, or that any hesitation should be had on leaving it in the first place.
If it's unjustified, it can either be cleared up (one way or another), or it'll just be a minor mark on an account that'll end up carrying on spotlessly, soon eyed with little consideration whatsoever.
Flip side, leaving it there reassures people that it happens to again that they're not alone and that they shouldn't err toward generosity in their own feedback.
tl;dr version: No downside, only upside.
Every point you've made so far only furthers the point that the feedback should be left, as it serves all the purposes you're promoting.
That doesn't mean it's a final gesture of dismissal, it just means it's the best current assessment of the situation that can be provided.
And that's all we can expect to begin with.
Either way, the OP certainly seems reasonable enough, so it's not like we should be putting the pressure on them alone.
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ill say the staff might give him a temp ban and remove that feedback, yesterday a guy gave me a -rep just because i declined a trade offer...
what was the game u wanted from him thou, i might be able to get it and trade for it ( if i dont already have it xD )
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Thanks for the offer! But I've already gotten it from another great user here. It was Thief Town for the curious. It's a rip off or maybe the original of an xbox live indie game I used to have called hidden in plain sight.
Great couch co-op game.
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If you're not aware, Hidden in Plain Sight actually made its way onto Steam.
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They generally don't look at negative feedback cause they got better things to do, like banning people for calling out.
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I look at trader's profile on a case-by-case basis. I understand there are "revenge feedback", that is why whenever I do trade with people who had negative feedback, I always check the profile of the feedback author as well to try to understand both side of the story. In your case, I can see clearly that you are in the right and he is in the wrong, I'd disregard your negative feedback and still do trade with you, but if I ever stumble upon his offer, I will be extra careful.
Leave the negative feedback there, it serves as a warning to other traders about his shady trading practice. Contact support about having yours remove, you did nothing wrong, and "liar" is not a good feedback anyway.
I had a friend (not IRL, but known him via trading). His Steam trade window always have the "suspected scammer" message, but I know he is not, because he do trade often enough that people whom he rejects offer often spam report his Steam profile.
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Since we are talking about me, let me try to explain the situation.
I'm not speak English, so I apologize in advance for the illiterate text.
The negative feedback left Outlaw 1991 in my profile, truthful only half - the second half of it is silent or lied.
Firstly, it was initially agreed on the exchange of the two games on 2 games - Missing: an interactive thriller and Thief Town for Ridge Racer ™ Unbounded Bundle and Startopia.
During the time that has elapsed before the exchange, I had already exchanged Thief Town to another person, and Outlaw1991 - bought elsewhere Missing: an interactive thriller.
After I added him to friends in Steam, guy did not ask me about availability of key Thief Town at the moment and said that he no longer needed Missing: an interactive thriller - it just threw in the chat key Startopia game and asked instead of Thief Town.
I have a list of more than 700 games and I do not remember the keys to any game I still have and which I have already traded - looking list, I saw that the game Thief Town I no longer have.
Despite the fact that I did not give confirmation about readiness to start trade before this guy threw the key of Startopia in a chat, and i do not activate this key, and did not consider themselves in something guilty, I suggested guy as compensation for the keys to any two games instead of one (stating that in my list only cheap games, dude lied again - it has a lot of non-bundled games, costing more than $ 10).
He agreed and chose Missing: an interactive thriller (which he, according to him, had already bought and that was he did not need) and Paranuatical Activity. Keys to Paranuatical Activity were used so he chose Doorways and say "goodbye"
Then he leaves me negative feedback, where he continued to lie, saying that I was not removed from the list of games that have participated in this trade (It has been removed and in fact Paranuatical Activity and Thief Town from the list immediately, but after a while I got new keys Thif Town and returned to the game in the list).
The results of the trade:
Question - who is more worthy to dispute a negative feedback - me or him?
Thank you
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So you agree to trade said games,but then trade them to someone else and then still take his two games without telling him they are no longer in your possession?
You should have informed him that the keys where no longer with you.Why is it on him to ask you,when he is going into this thinking you still have the games.
Granted he could have asked if you had them,but you could have said just as much that you did not and asked if he wanted other games.That is what a good trader would have done,is tell them.Do not give me the excuse he did not give you time,as you could have done this as soon as you traded the other games away.'
Again a good trader would have done this,you could replied to his forum post.
Now if you agreed to this in the forum post and then when time come to collect you in the mean time sold/traded the game to someone else without contacting them and then try and try shift most blame on them.
Sounds to me like both had a bit of lapse on communication,but still seems like to me your the type i find in Group Buys once in awhile,where they will agree to wanting said game from bundle,then later come back and say i got it from someone else i no longer need it.
While at least they said they did not need it,why tell someone you want it just to go back on the deal,They are posting on other threads and whoever is fastest will get the trade/sale.I think once you agree on something you should follow through and not sell./trade with someone else within a set time,i am not asking to hold it forever but give it some time.
Question - who is more worthy to dispute a negative feedback - me or him?
You both went about this whole thing the wrong way with feedback,and lack of communication caused this,next time you trade said games away let them know as soon as you do.or better yet next time do not until you contact the current person you have a trade with.
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You carefully read what I wrote? Which of his two games are you talking about? This I gave him 2 games (one of which he wanted for trade initially) and in return received a one game and a negative feedback. And the problem is only in the fact that the man threw the key before to discuss trade in steam chat.
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I went off what both of you said and then,shared what i thought..
There is always 2 sides to a story and so you have to listen to both and come up with my own conclusion which i did.
I may have missed some things and so on,as i am still missing info like the actual post and replies from the trade thread,and i did not read the feed back left.
I merely went off what both of you said,and it just still what i think of what i said and shared what i thought.
And i lay blame on both sides,but your just to busy trying make it seem like this all started based on he gave key first.I pointed out you could have let the other party know you traded the games as soon as you did.Not wait until they decide to contact you.You could have replied in the the thread,you could have maybe left a reply on his profile there where several ways to go about that.
You chose not to,he shows up thinking you have the games and then offers you the keys right away,where is the problem with that,why is this is fault because he gave keys before you could say anything?When knew before this that you did not have the games.
I also pointed out that he could have asked if the games where still available just as much as you could have warned him before that.
Again lack of communication on both ends,but at the same time if you agreed on terms for said games before he contacted you on Steam,then shame on you for doing a back door trade,and then try blame him for giving keys first.A deal is a deal.Though what i just said is based on if price and such was agreed for a trade in the thread.
This is a he said she said thing going on.He said you just replied with negative feedback and then just called him a liar.
What what the hell does that prove?Just calling someone a liar and that is it,does not make them one.You have to show a valid reason why they might to get someone to take your side on the issue,other wise we could just run around calling anyone a liar and that makes it so just by stating it.
As i said before i tried my best to share my thoughts on both sides of the story and i may make mistakes it a lot to read and a lot to remember everything,but when it just down to he said,she said,i have to judge for myself.as nobody posted any other proof of what went down other then what each other said and even that is just hearsay
I was just trying to point out there where faults on both ends and both sides could have handled things better,and even that is based on if i take what both of you said to be somewhat true.
Which from what i have read it is obvious someone is changing the facts around,as one said one thing the other said no that did not happen.So in the end all i can conclude is someone is not telling the truth.None the less i still tried to be fair and objective with my thoughts.
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When we got into steam chat I asked if you wanted to trade my games for your games and you said yes. You didn't say, "let me check if I still have them", you said "oh,sure :)". In my mind, that's a confirmation that yes you have the games and yes you're interested in trading.
Furthermore, it's not as if I immediately threw the Startopia key down after that. Others can't tell because the chat logs don't have timestamps but there was a good 3-5 minutes of silence between when you said sure and when I pasted the code. Being that you had already agreed to the trade and that your trade profile says "you send first" I presumed that you were waiting for me to send my key first.
At the end of the day, it's your responsibility to maintain your tradelist and make sure your keys are valid, not mine. Even more so when you stipulate that others send first.
I'm sorry and it's a shame that this trade seemed to work out poorly for both of us. But I feel my feedback was very accurate and valid. I don't think yours calling me "liar" was. Because I didn't lie about anything.
You got the the game we agreed upon. I didn't.
Good luck.
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I wish You all the best with getting negative comment removed ffrom your account (since I heard it really happens) but You have to be extremely patient. I have 2 revenge negative comments as well, that are literally "negative for negative" and I'm afraid those will never get removed... All this made my health worse and got me into deeper depression but who cares?
As for now I've been waiting for 13 months and still haven't got this problem solved... I have never reported the other revenge negative comment though, I was too depressed that time and since it never worked with the first one, I never had any motivation to do it for the 2nd.
Interesting thing here is that I saw people saying that they have received a reply for their reports about revenge negative comments and got problem solved in about few days or one week but I am afraid it's just joking. Unless I'm extremely unlucky with this as well :(
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I would say the negative feedback was not the best way to handle it and not negative feed back since there was a successful trade done.
I think a better way of dealing with it would have been to say the trade went through but beware that the games they said they had they did not and was not told until after i sent my 2 games,but make note you did get 2 games.
After all a deal was done,and was a success even if it was not 100% what you wanted.
This is one reason for the most part i have quit dealing with Steam Trades it is the wild west of trading,and full of people like that.I find a lot offering free games and want high tier bundle games and non bundle games or low ball offers,Or they buy say a 1tier bundle then demand just as much as the cost of the bundle Tier or more for one game.Or in this case they do not have said games you wanted because they traded them away on ya,i had that happen and it is annoying.
While they are free to ask what they want for there stuff and so on,but when a site is full of greedy people who buy low and sell way high and do not budge or barely or want games that not even close in value,or trades games away that they said they had and agreed on before even chat with them on steam that does not give me much confidence in the community and its users.
Though if you dig through the mess you can find some good traders,also annoying that some have 2 or more threads that just clutter up what a mess of a forum it already is.
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Better then 1 Thread where someone throws everything mixed in. Like Game keys (obviously bundles) and game gifts not bundled with way different prices. and then getting spammed by people who dont read and want the gifts for the price of a game key.
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Yeah i should have mentioned that both sides have a lot of idiots,the ones who try and low ball you and so forth
It just some of the sellers man..i seen one ask 1 cs-go for each game from a 1tier bundle.I do not mind a bit over pay for profit,but when you get say 4 games in a 1$ Tier then ask 1 tf2/csgo each game that is a bit much lol and i think it becomes greedy.On top of that the bundle was still being sold lol
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----- EDIT: I appreciate everyone's thoughts and all the discussion this garnered. I don't think there's anything more to gain in terms of discourse so I'll be closing this thread. However, I'll leave it up for 24 more hours in case anybody would like to read through it or add anything more. ----
Hi, I'm pretty new to the site. A few days ago I had a bad experience where a user agreed to a trade and I sent first. He then told me he didn't have the game I wanted. He told me to pick another game and he didn't have that either. To be fair, he gave me 2 games to "make up for his mistake" but that's little solace when they aren't something I wanted/needed.
I hesitated to leave him negative feedback because I knew he would leave me negative back in retalitation rather than own up to his mistake but I figured that fear defeats the purpose of a feedback system and I should warn others especially since he specifies on his trade list "you send first". (I'd have assumed lower rep would send first but whatever). So I left him a negative, but in my mind, very fair feedback explanation of what went wrong and provided chat logs to prove it.
The worst part is, he still hasn't removed the games from his tradelist that he apparently doesn't have. So it's likely someone else is going to get shafted if they want those games.
So anyway he just left me a negative with "liar" as the only explanation. Is it worth putting in a dispute ticket to refute this? Do they even get involved with this sort of thing? Or should I just accept it as a badge of honor. It almost seems like it'd be better to get that first negative early on so the pressure is gone rather than have your profile blemished after 400+ great trades.
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