I like to throw them a bone ever couple of OSs or so. I know M$ is one of the Evil Empires, but as responsible pirates people need to dangle a carrot every so often so the stuff gets better. And this time $40 bucks is no where near what I had paid for XP Pro way back when.
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It's not about money or the Microshit itself... but about a crap product not worth a penny.
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You don't need to be a Jobs fan or an *nix user to despise Win 8.
The only box I have on Win 7 is one that has hardware which isn't supported on XP. Win 7 still has many of the same problems that Vista had (such as the inability to actually kill a task that is in a logic loop but still responds to the OS, or useful features removed in Vista that were present since Win 95 such as being able to put the IE Links toolbar in Windows Explorer and use Favorites for quick navigation to folders on the local HDD).
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yawn I heard the exact same arguments when Vista came, which I actually used and it turned out to be okay system if you didn't try to ran it on 10 year old toaster.
Ever since then, I consider guys urging to downupgrade from Vista/7 to XP to be idiots, and so far I have seen nothing to consider Win 8 to be different.
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hahaha thanks, let's try to kill off win8, what you NEED on your desktop computer. (new era on multitask) lolwut???
Disclaimer for people who can't read properly: I'm not a fanboy of ANY company, and here I'm laughing at both concepts and companies.
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OK no need to get snippy. You asked why someone should upgrade from xp to win8. It was a very well documented fact XP's usage of read/writes to the storage media will shorten the life of SSD media. Also those "expensive" extras are becoming pretty common place in PCs, like it or not. The first laptop I played with as a kid of the 80's had NO internal storage at all. HDDs were about 4x's the size they are today and you were giggling all over yourself if you had 25 MB.
Look at this image of Newegg from Apr. 18 2001 Western Digital 40GB 7200RPM EIDE Ultra 100 3.5" model 400BB - OEM VERSION - $127 thats a price per GB of $3.18!
As for "expensive extras"... SMH
Currently prices are: HDD $.07 per GB SSD $.69 per GB
Based on SAMSUNG EcoGreen F4 ST2000DL004 2TB SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive Price: $129.99
Mushkin Enhanced Chronos MKNSSDCR240GB 2.5" 240GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) Price: $164.99
Prices listed as of Oct. 26 2012 on http://gb4less.com/
According to the cost comparisons we are actually reaching the end of cost effective platter based storage. If Western Digital and Seagate were the one's not making the expensive extras we should be paying only $10 per terabyte. Moore's Law
AND just an FYI win7 isn't currently offered on any sale basis. Drop the attitude. It isn't necessary. I"m not by any means a fan of the evil empire, however; I'm trying to make sense of the data. I'd rather play it safe and give my family legit software when they have to let their employer tool around in the box for proprietary software installs. $40 for an advance OS that looks like what about 90% of the world uses, or spend countless hours fielding phone calls from a mother-in-law who will tell me the computer doesn't work because she can't find M$ Office... because Open Office 'doesn't work either' in kubuntu. No.... I'll pass on that thanks.
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Nope Windows user to the core, even liked Vista enough to use it as my main OS for a couple of years. But Win8 is a monstrosity. MS went out of it's way to make it as user-unfriendly as possible and to make sure it's near-impossible to get any kind of work done on it.
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For now I think win 8 is a flop like vista. Wait it out then see. MHO
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Oh i see. I didnt get those problems for the games i played then. I had vista for 5 years until the graphics cardfinally broke. Also i kept getting bsods a bit often. But the thing which i liked was that it was faster than xp and the modern interface.
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I've used Vista for several years without trouble. Initially it was missing some drivers, but nothing that time and a few hardware upgrades couldn't solve. If you're running it now it's more compatible than XP for modern games, faster for games and provides better rendering (through DX10 and up). I'd never go back to XP.
I recently upgraded to 7, and there's not as big a difference as between XP and Vista.
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I think for tablet computers Windows 8 is great but I dislike it for the desktop. As for games not working, you should be able to run them in some sort of compatibility mode (or run them with a program like DOSBox which is something you need to do to play The Elder Scrolls Arena and Daggerfall on Windows 7).
I haven't really used the Windows 8 consumer preview much but from what I've seen it's decent at least, but again, I think it's best for tablet computers.
I love the BSoD though (which I never actually saw while running the consumer preview btw): http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/BSoD_in_Windows_8.png
It has a sad face :P
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I tried the Preview and I think there isn't much difference between 7 and 8. The new things are the Apps (which are made for touch devices and not much usable with mouse) and the fullscreen "Start menu" which I like better. Almost everything else is mainly the same like Win 7 with some extras. But for 40$ it is a good deal and you should buy it (especially when MS releases Win 8 only software).
Edit: BTW I almost never got any problems with my games (only two of my games didn't work).
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I'm thinking of getting it just to hold on to a few keys. At this price one could make some money on Ebay from the drolls who don't live on the web but have a gambling addiction. Plus I just built my in-law a new comp and just kept her old hdd in it to keep her upgrade cost down. I already have the SDD for when she starts on with how slow it is once she gets used to the new speed, but its running XP and I'm lazy so I don't want to configure her machine.
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Thank you for the first non-biased comment i've read in this thread. Win 8 isn't bad. It is an improved Win 7 with a few features dedicated to mobile devices which nobody is forced to use
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I only have 3 opinions about it:
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There are small apps in Vista and 7 but you don't have to use them. Same for Win 8. Except the case you want to use IE or the built-in PDF reader, but who would do that :P?
In my opinion, the new Start Menu is better than the old one. A fullscreen program to display every other program on your computer sounds more logical to me than a little popup
Yeah, 8 needs a few seconds less than Vista and 7. No big change here
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Well, years later people will come back to this thread and laugh, Windows 8 is and will be the next top os everyone will ultimately change to, if ur game cant be played, blame the game developer not the os maker, the game developer should have patched the game or the game uses legacy codes and methods, dont forget win 8 uses winrt not nt kernel
Just so everyone here knows, if u already installed win 8, right click the bottom extreme left screen in the classic desktop, u may get used to it pretty darn quickly, and everyone cant deny win8 is way faster
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3.1 was far better than 95, especially compared to early Windows 95.
NT and 2000 were not directed at home users - they each had a version directed at professionals, i.e. businesses, but they were more well known for their server versions.
The image is painstakingly true.
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Yup, idiots who made it conveniently forgotten about anything that demolished their cute little picture.
Btw, I actually used Win 95, it was far superior to badly disguised graphic patch over DOS (Win 3.11), Vista was superior to XP after SP1... Try meming harder.
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You can't put the blame solely on the developers, you can also blame MS for not allowing DirectX 11 to be cross platformed, also various other dynamic libraries that are only on Windows 7, and quite possibly newer on the Windows 8 system that some developer may in the future be forced to use and in turn force the end-user to use.
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Tts the reason to use opengl, the apis were made to suit the nt kernel, the new rt kernel is better, I dont see problems with over 80% of games, so that most probably means that its 80% dev fault, 20% os maker fault
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My opinion: stay with windows 7 until problems are fixed.
Some people never even used windows vista, they just skipped from XP to 7.
From what I've seen they made a huge mistake with the windows 8 'desktop' stuff, making it look like a tablet interface rather then a desktop interface.
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u do have a desktop =.= and its so much easier to use the tablet like ui, type anything to search, not happy, go to classic desktop, case closed
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I'm one of those who skipped Vista and all I can say now is: no regrets at all...
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windows vista and 7: type anything with the start menu open to search... not much difference.
Also, I'm not sure about the release version but I heard loads of complaints about the beta needing a registry change to switch to the classic desktop. Not really user friendly (again, this could be changed. Don't know and don't really care since I'm not planning to change)
Edit:
After looking it up, it seems that the "classic desktop" is exactly what it says: desktop only.
The weird tablet interface stuff will still be your start menu... So if is case closed, I won't be switching to windows 8 at all ;)
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Win8 is just so much faster with the same hardware, if u wanna sit it out, I strongly suggest u buy it first since its cheaper and upgrade when u feel like it ;) i actually still rmb ppl giving the same reason for not changing from vista to 7 :D
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They never said games will not work outside the Windows Marketplace. That's just a rumor that's been passed around like the plague. There's no reason why you wouldn't be able to play non-steam games or use the Steam platform, they all work flawlessly. I mean, I have a friend right now playing Borderlands 2 through Steam on his Win 8 machine. He's also used Big Picture mode with only some minor issues that aren't tied to the OS.
That being said, you might be confusing Windows RT with the Windows 8 version that's meant for PCs. The RT OS is meant for ARM devices such as Microsoft's Surface. It's a pre-installed OS that's tied to the marketplace and doesn't allow the user to install desktop applications. It's meant for lower end tablets, that's why it doesn't offer the functionality of the regular OS.
Also, I don't mean to sound like a harsh fan boy, I'm just trying to provide some better information than what's been put up before and has stuck for the most part. As for myself, I'm on the fence whether I should buy it or not.
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Your reply makes sense. Also it sounds like the same shelf like intel saying their new mobile chips won't support android only win... We nerds have such wonderful resources like programmers who love to tell mega corps. "naw I don't think so"
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That is sort of the approach I'm looking at. But again at a $40 price point buying it and selling it for say $80 bucks on ebay is a nice profit since I think winXP pro sp3 still retails at over $40 though its been cracked and distributed via torrents for the better part of the last decade.
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It's not a matter of being cracked - all recent Windows versions, including 8, got cracked and shared before release.
If you can make a profit by reselling, then sure, go ahead. There are plenty of uninformed users who will jump on Win8 just because it's the latest.
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To me Windows 8 looks like it's meant to be used on tablets or at best for computers with touch-screen monitors. I don't really see how their interface would work for someone who uses a mouse, only wants to perform some daily tasks, perhaps some gaming and doesn't care for fancy graphic visuals.
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From what I've seen and heard of Windows 8 I think it's clear it's going to be a bigger flop than Vista. It's just fucking terrible and anyone who was even remotely involved in the development process should consider ritual self-castration.
Windows 8 getting Green-lit shows a complete lack of understanding about their core demographic. Trying to play catch-up to the mobile/tablet demographic which is already completely entrenched in other providers and alienating your core users is just commercial suicide.
Now is not the time to buy MS stocks, kids.
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I bought mine with 15 Euro,i had to use a promo code with 50% discount.You can use the old win7 interface by installing an addon from stardock called Start8.
In my opinion,buy it now,install it later if you are unsure about it.
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Friendly tip. If you want your argument to hold any weight; always remember to refrain from calling people "fanboys" when you're praising a product.
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I despise Apple with all my being, been using Windows forever (from 3.0 to 7, and even Vista), and still won't get near to that half-baked OS. I do't want the limitation of a tablet on my desktop PC and I shouldn't have to install a third-party to get any kind of functionality out of my OS. It's more a downgrade than an upgrade, plain and simple.
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If 'Everything else is the same!', what's the need to change SO only for the sake of it??.
If my W7 does everything I need, I have to 'update' only because it's a trend? That's stupid.
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Because it had been significantly upgraded in inner works. That's why.
But what someone who only read one article from Linux M$ haters on Metro would know? It's not like you need to, you know, actually test OS yourself to see if it's any good, am I rite?
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Well, you can make fun of 'Linux M$ haters'. I don't care. What I find annoying is the urge to force other users to test a new OS when they're perfectly satisfied with their own.
I don't have anything against W8 lovers, but their attitude is becoming as stupid as the rest of the fanbois
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A bonus feature would be something good that I can turn on if I want it. Something bad that's forced upon me is not a feature, it's a defect.
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^ This. The fact that you can't even turn it off is terrible, and apparently even with third party software you can't completely get rid of it.
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Look at MS history. 1 good OS, 1 bad. 7 was good, 8 will be bad.
Plus, i think 1 OS for phones, tablets and PCs just wont work. Then theres the MS shop thing that seems stupidly restrictive.
I dont know, havent really looked into it enough but i wont be upgrading till a while after release.
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Its seems pretty good to be honest, I'm pretty sure everyone is just saying its horrible because thats what its meant to be in the Windows line. Though, I can say it sucks the start button was gone, and would take a bit getting used to.
I will put it this way, If I had $40, I would buy it.
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No, people aren't saying it's bad because of predictions. People have already been using it (I have a couple of friends who got to test it) and it's literally just Windows 7, but with an interface based off of a tablet/smartphone. The whole system is designed around tablets and smartphones and as such it's a format that would work with touch screen, but it's just horrendous to navigate with a mouse. Now, which are you more likely to have for your PC: a mouse or a touch screen?
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i'm going with this guy. i used the preview, and i would say, it's amazing, IF you have a touchscreen PC. if not, you're shit out of luck, and it's not worth it. Plus the marketplace was almost empty (probably improved since release)
But all in all, unless you have/intend to upgrade to a touchscreen, and think you'll eventually buy a legit version of Win8. then i would avoid it.
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I have no intent to buy touchscreen, But still like Windows 8 and use a Desktop with Mouse and Keyboard). It takes a whole, What, 1 hour to get used to it?
The only reason I currently still use windows 7 is because I don't have the money to buy Windows 8 (and hence, don't want to put it on my SSD for the speed boost), But in the few hours I used it, I'm already completely used to it. It doesn't take a genius.
Now, I'm not saying its perfect, I find some of the backend things BS, But its not as bad as everyone is making it out to be.
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oh i agree, it's not difficult to use. by any means. i just don't see the point in an entirely new operating system, to support touch screen advancements which, not on a touchscreen are redundant.
I did consider buying it, just so that i had it for if/when everything goes touchscreen
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According to google and various other sites which are up to date with the current rates it's about 40.25$, which is even more than OP would've paid anyways. To top it off: You did not only fail your math yourself and criticized me, even though you failed your math, no, you also failed your english while doing so. Congratulations.
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OP has to pay more then $40 due to sales tax, 6% here in PA, USA, for a total sale price of $42.40 (which I don't understand unless they have distribution servers in PA because otherwise I'm not actually purchasing the item in PA (let the lawyers figure it out). As of 1:43 am October 28th 2012 google reports £25 GBP = $40.2264 USD. Its gonna vary hourly, so for shits and giggles, its pretty much the same.
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Has anybody seen this? Upgrade from XP thru 7 to Win8 Pro for $40]. Deal or dud? I ran the upgrade assistant and found a few games (Morrowind, Fallout III) and programs (comodo, DEAMON tools) apparently will no longer work. I never ran the beta but have been seeing that win8 is supposed to be a crowning achievement for M$. I'm currently running win7 ult but have been having some issues with it crying that I'm out of memory even when it tells me there is 4 gb free. Anyway.. is win8 that much better? Buy it at $40 and hold off for about a year till M$ gets a bunch of bugs and exploits taken care of?
Waddaya tink?
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