Saw this when I woke up this morning, I'm just going to leave it here...

EDIT: apparently thread has been removed, BSM's side of the story

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Do you ever feel (8) ?

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Admittedly I don't even know what that means foxy :'3

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Someone will , i trust <3 just give it more time :,D

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I can only find this...

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Are u trying to solve the mistery? o:

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Edited, thanks for the additional links

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As a group, they're spammy AF, I think the only sales they net for the games they promote are the cut they take from selling the trading cards.

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If you thought the steam group was bad, the other Reddit posts all mention the twitters lol, I'll have to unfollow them when I get back to a PC

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I know there's (at least) one publishing company out there that throws copies around like they were candy, to anyone that says they'll review it or do some video or w/e.

and a lot of those copies end up at......

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They popped up around last summer and they have gotten their hands on a lot of indie titles that were on Steam already as well as new ones. Not sure what to make of the whole situation to be honest :/.

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I've never trusted them, I gave them a try though.
Nothing good has come from it. They spam all the
time and they don't seem to do anything else.

Edit: They do giveaways for copy's of
indie games that they've published.
And that's what I mean by " I've given
them a try."

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It's pretty bad, when doing business you'd better always have a lawyer or some legal counseling have a look at any contract you're about to sign to see if it's not too much one-sided. I feel sorry for this dev getting rip off like that (steam getting a cut, this joke of a publisher getting a cut. even though steam isn't exactly ripping him off) but he really should had look more in this whole thing.

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That really sucks for the developer, pity there's probably not much he can do about it with there being a contract. Only dealings I've had with them was grabbing the free games they have given away. Other than that they have emailed me asking if I'd like a voice chat with them to discuss my business in the gaming industry and then also a follow up email asking if I was still interested. I ended up just ignoring the emails, especially seeing as I don't even work in the industry at all, I just play games haha.

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If anyone knows how to get in contact with that dev, I'd be happy to review the contract and see if there's anything that can be done (short answer: probably)

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So there're more indie games coming to steam these years while someone tries to get something from them. It seems occasional freebies they host sometimes are a part of these acts.

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Now I feel kinda bad that I joined up to be a be a "feedback tester" for them or whatever they advertised in their groups: basically they send you keys every now and then and all you ned to do is reviewing those games in a google doc form

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How do you sign up for that?
Given that, y'know, all my experiences with bsm have thus far been great, and the story linked is (apparently?) bull. :P

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There was an announcement in their group that they are looking for people to give feedback and such

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btw some quote from what the devs of SanctuaryRPG said

"OP is a fraud and has just removed his post. The entire story is completely fabricated—his story does not check out with any of our current partners.

In fact, the most damning evidence of this libel is that part of our contract explicitly states that if we're not upholding our end of the bargain, our partner has the right to terminate said agreement. In addition, we regularly email all of our partners on a weekly basis, and we always keep lines of communication wide open on Skype. OP's story is completely made up.

TL;DR: OP just wants to watch the world burn."

take it for what you will

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https://archive.is/Lbx6F

original thread

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"I’m an indie game developer with a couple games under my belt. As I was about to release my second game on Steam, I decided to look into a partner to help me with the thing I’m terrible at - marketing.

I came across Black Shell Media, a self-proclaimed indie game publisher. Their website looked very nice and professional, and I thought they knew what they were doing. I contacted them, and we arranged a video chat. They claimed to be marketing experts that were super-connected with the games media, and that they would have a team devoted to making sure my game was a financial success. They claimed that they really liked the build of the pre-release build of the game I sent (I later realized this probably wasn’t true, because I had accidentally sent them a broken link.)

They offered to take a percentage of my revenue in exchange for handling all marketing and PR aspects. I asked that, since they’d be taking a cut of my revenue, if they’d be investing anything into the game itself (like many publishers do). They claimed that they don’t do this, and that I should essentially take them on faith - that the marketing they do will more than pay for the revenue they take. At this point, the person I talked to was very friendly and responsive to calls and emails. I felt like they’d be a good company to have in my corner, so I went ahead and signed their contract. I know realize what a mistake I made. Basically their “marketing” is a complete joke. They have no apparent traction with any of the game media sites, and I have no evidence that they did much marketing at all. The only youtubers that posted videos of my game were small ones that I contacted personally. I had zero coverage on any gaming news site. I didn’t even get a story on the smaller sites that had covered my previous title. One person live streamed my game on Twitch, for about an hour. Again, this was someone that I personally contacted. I would have been better off doing the marketing myself, rather than relying on them.
I looked into other games that they published (something I should have done at the outset had I been smart), and noticed the exact same pattern. Basically Black Shell Media’s “great marketing insights” boiled down to sending out thousands of tweets to people who probably don’t really exist.

As you can imagine, without any exposure, my launch did not go well, from a financial standpoint. It briefly appeared on the Steam “All New Releases” list and then slipped away. The next day, I emailed Black Shell Media asking about their continuing plan to market my game (since they were planning to take a portion of my revenue indefinitely), and they said they would continue to send out tweets and press releases. When I asked to see who they contacted in the media, they said they had no obligation to share this information with me, as this was their trade secret. They refused to tell me a single person who they actually sent a press release to, and as far as I know they didn’t send any at all. When I mentioned how absurd it was that they wouldn’t send me any evidence that they had marketed my game (other than the tweets), they said that this was stipulated in the contract.

After that, I didn’t hear from them in over a month. They didn’t respond to me on skype nor answer my emails. Extremely frustrated, I sent them an email threatening to take my case to the public, and they said that would be a violation of the contract I signed with them, and that I would be subject to legal action.

So I decided to post here anonymously so as not to be sued by my own publisher for speaking the truth. I’d like to share more information, so please PM me if you’d like. At this point, my game is a total commercial failure, though I’m extremely grateful for the few people who did purchase it, especially those who gave me good feedback that I can use on future games. I’m happy to say that this experience hasn’t broken my spirit, and I’m planning to release another title in July without Black Shell Media’s “help”."

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Hmmm ... looking at the list of their games on Steam, and I think part of their marketing strategy may be giving away 50-100 free keys per game on Steamgifts.

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Depends on the publisher. I personally say some aren't such bad apples, like Mastertronic (until they went into administration :( ) and Adult Swim Games (probably my 2 most favourite publishers) :)

On the flip side, we have publishers like KISS...

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bump

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