The important difference/distinction being that it doesn't cost them more than $1 when you pay $1. I understand that many people (myself included) don't have a lot of money, but if one can't afford to pay enough to (at the very least) cover their costs, then A) one probably has more important things to concern oneself with and to focus on than buying games and B) it would be better if they just didn't 'buy' it at all. Some people don't like to hear that because it makes them uncomfortable, but I tell it like it is. The only thing that being such a cheapass serves to accomplish is to deter and kill future promotions.
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I get it, but it's kind of unreasonable to shame someone for doing something that allowed to do. It's like calling someone out for not tipping a lot. It's dickish, but it shouldn't really be mentioned as if it were a problem. HB chose the price, they agreed with it. They decided it to be pay what you want instead of a set minimum. If they lose money it's they're fault. We as customers don't have to keep them up financially if they made bad decisions. They probably are aware that most will leech. They've taken the risk and they are probably 100% fine with it. If they're fine, then no one else really has the moral right to do call outs.
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And just because you can do something it doesn't mean that you should or that it somehow makes it okay. If you went to a restaurant and the waiter gave you great service it would be wrong to give them a meager tip, even though you may be allowed to do so. Now let's say someone did this repeatedly and they caught onto it. Do you know what would happen? Someone from management would approach them and they would be asked (told) not to return. People who do these kind of things absolutely deserve to get called out on ethical grounds, and anyone who wants to call foul has every right to do so. And then people wonder why 'unpopular' policy changes are then made at times. It's because of stupid stuff like this.
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You certainly have a point. But why would they allow behaviours they're uncomfortable with? They could raise the minimum any time and only lose those cheapskate customers you consider good riddance. Why don't they just do it, then?
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I agree. When you buy one of their bundles it says to pay at least 1 dollar to get steam keys. Why don't they set 1 dollar minimum always? That would be better than saying you can pay 1 penny but asking you to pay a lot more because they would lose money.
"Please enter at least one penny (preferably a lot more to help cover our costs!)"
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I'm honestly surprised they haven't put a floor on it like they have with CC/Stripe (though maybe Stripe imposes that).
One big exception here is Bitcoin, since they use Coinbase who impose a fixed 1% fee as opposed to $0.xx + %.
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Not really, when you buy this bundle for one cent over PayPal, Humble Bundle actually loses money as PayPal fee is bigger than the transaction itself.
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I disagree. If they don't set a minimum price, then it' perfectly legal to pay 1 penny.
They surely thought someone might do just that.
It's pay what you want afterall, so if someone wants to pay 1 penny they can.
I would feel bad paying 1 penny, but I don't judge if someone would do it.
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If it is allowed to pay that much why should it have anything to do with integrity?Are you sure you know what that means as you seem to me to be using it in the wrong context here...
At least i do not see how this has to do with integrity.Nobody is being dishonest or being immoral even if they only paid a penny.They could pay more i suppose but who are you to try bring integrity into this or decency for that matter??
I suppose you could say those things to just about anything that someone does not agree they are doing is enough.As i could say the same about you using SG for the purpose of winning games on the basis of why not just by your own and do not be so cheap show some integrity and decency i will throw that in for good measure.
Though it would still not be used in the right context in either case if you ask me because they are not being dishonest or throwing out there honor or good taste and so on.
Also good thing you where not around when humble let you get steam keys for 1cent,boy you would have been damning a lot more people for there sins.Also if humble felt that is to low then they need to raise it,since when did paying the minimum allowed become such a sin?
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yep, read the full description: '10% off Humble Monthly for New Subscribers'
If you can afford it make a decent purchase & give most of it to the charity of your choice, but otherwise if not already subscribed to HB monthly, April's early unlocks (there's two!) are top notch, there's never been a better time to jump in.
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Over here in Ireland leaving a tip when having a meal is simply not done. In the US it seems that many people are forced into tipping just to boost the low wages that people are forced to work for. Whatever people give it's upto them and them alone :)
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I understand that tipping may vary from place to place and there may be cultural differences, but one thing that should be universal is the expectation of getting a fair wage for their life's work. Paying $0.01 is anything but that.
It also worth pointing out that video games are different from other forms of media in this respect: Movies for example generate revenue first when they hit the theater, then again for the DVD release, and then again for other platforms like digital distribution, TV broadcasts, etc. Likewise music does much the same with CD/record sales, digital distribution, radio airtime, and concerts. Video games on the other hand generally only have a single revenue stream from which the people who pour their life's work into them can make a living: sales of copies of the game. That's it. And it is for that reason that it's success or failure has a bigger effect on things.
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Movies are thouroughly evaluated for financial sustainability, even too much so. Music is, frankly, cheap to make and many musicians are ok with having a day job and playing on the side. With games we're in a weird place where the barrier to the market is zero and too many people give it a shot. Many games shouldn't even exist, leave alone carry a price tag. Bundles and the race to the bottom with prices are the result of this situation. Sad but true.
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Problem here is that if you only pay 1 cent, HB is actually losing money to fees
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No company would allow customer to screw them by losing money. If that would be the case, they'd increase minimum price to fee cost + 0.01$. Fee is added to the transaction, and at best might be worth 100% of transaction, but never goes for more than transaction itself.
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Paypal fees are 2.9% + $0.30 per transaction. The percentage decreases for higher volumes, but the flat fee is the same. Please post a source that the paypal fee would be maximum 1 cent a transaction if you believe differently.
I suspect they lose money on the 1 cent purchases, but combined with the the charity donations, they can use the loss as a tax writeoff.
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Typically - yes. If HB however allows to pay 0.01$, then it means that they're probably under different rules because no company would allow to be screwed by it's own customers. This makes sense considering most of their transactions are 1$ and less.
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Well not all are forced in most cases it is optional.Some places do include the tip in the final bill.Also if you are good at what you do i highly doubt you will have an issue making more then a low wage.
They also have to be paid the minimum wage if tips do not add up to at least that,and why they get paid a bit less.Heck i once worked for a car wash where most people did not know they could tip let alone even tip and on busy days i still cleared half or more in tips then i did with my minimum wage and sometimes i made double what i was paid in tips.
So yeah i find it hard in a place of work where most people feel they should tip and so on,that if they do good work they are some how lacking in funds or pay.If it was that bad nobody would want to do it.The better you are the better the tips,
Again nobody is forced,you can refuse to pay a tip or do not pay one.There is no law for it.
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Because nobody should be preaching what someone else should do with there money,would you want some stranger telling you how to spend your money?
I agree from a moral stand point it should push you a bit more to pay more,but are they wrong,not when it is allowed.Limits and minimum should be put in place if they feel they are losing money.
You never walk into a dealership and tell them you want to pay full price the object is to pay the lowest they will let you.Would it be right for a stranger to come a long and and say show some dignity stop haggling and just pay the man what he wants.
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Nah people will bitch regardless. You would have everyone in an uproar about paying for demos.
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They allow a penny, pay a penny. They allow paypal pennies, pay with paypal. Think it's not fair? Don't do it! Simple.
Too much discussion here about opinions. What's next? PC players should pay the same as Mac/Linux players pay for their humble bundle? :P
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Okay, since I accidentally lit this powderkeg, this is my belief:
When I order a humble bundle, I set it to send all the proceeds to charity. I purchased every mobile and weekly bundle, two of the monthly bundles so far, and years of the bi-weekly bundles along with hundreds of dollars spent in the HB shop (the shop where only 10% of what you buy can go to charity... hmmmm).
If I purchase one bundle so I can turn around and give them more money for another bundle, I think they can take the hit.
Buffets make money with a simple business model: they know some people will "beat the buffet" and eat more than they pay for but they also know that more than a few will eat far less. For every person who may pay a penny for this or a Humble Book bundle, there are dozens that buy the 25 dollar tier in the special bundles or keep their monthly subscriptions going.
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Your logic doesn't help the developers of the games currently in the bundle. Just using them as a quick discount.
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By paying a penny, I have coupons for their games for the HB Store now, too, and I'm more likely to buy them for Steam than I am to play them as DRM. And, even with the coupon and HB's cut, they would make more money from me buying them from the store than if I waited to buy them in a bundle.
So... no one loses.
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The if is in if you decide to give any of the developer and money rather then give them a few dollars now assured. Only time will tell if you put your money where your mouth is.
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Skipping over morals and that its wrong and you are not paying anything for the stuff you get.
To Basic Economics and supply and demand. They have endless supply, no price floor, and a demand. If people can get it for a penny Then they have that right to pay a penny for it. Humble Bundle should have made a requirement cause they had to know that many people would be going for the best deal for them.
Personally i wouldn't pay anything for this bundle. The Coupons are worthless to me and i don't want to play part of a game. Now if you think of it as "Hey donating to a charity" Then yes i would pay more cause it would go to the charity for me.
Basically don't judge on people for paying a penny. its their right and not yours. if They didn't want it happening then they should have made a price floor in the beginning KNOWING people would do just that. If to some its worth more then pay more but people like me think its not worth even going thru paypal then leave them alone and let them do as they like.
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But then they should be allowed to do what they want. If people can buy this bundle for a penny. People can complain about them for free equally.
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Is it so wrong to write my opinion. You were the one that replied to me so you went into my business with my thoughts.
I just posted them on a thread for people to read if they want and that i think its pointless to judge their actions because they dont fit to their morals.
Also lovely chat with you.
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You are here complaining about peoples opinions now you are going to hide behind the "Is it so wrong to have an opinion" card Lol, ok.
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How am i complaining about others opinions. I just said its wrong to judge which im not doing.
I never said they should be ashamed of themselves or that they are wrong. Cause they are not but the poor guy who made this thread should not be judged for his choice cause it was his choice.
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You are showing an opinion over other people's opinions about other people's purchases. In your opinion they shouldn't have an opinion over what other people do. But you are passing judgement on someone else's judgements while saying people shouldn't pass judgement. Get the irony now?
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I honestly don't get all of the outrage about this - they're letting you buy this for a penny because they know that the only content that is worth anything (the coupons) will require you to spend more money with them, where they will make plenty of profit. It's no different than a company giving out free samples of their product (and even paying the shipping costs to mail them) to entice you to buy more. I don't know why anyone would spend more than required on any product, especially something like this. We bargain hunt for a reason, and smart companies take those discounts into consideration when budgeting. It's all just part of the market-driven economy.
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It's the internet. Raging is the second most popular activity only behind fapping.
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Whoa, I had a few messages in my inbox when I woke up this morning - thanks guys! What I am saying is that most people will pay the 0.01 cent because that is human nature. It doesn't make it right but again neither do many things in life. I like Humble Bundle and will always support them but it also boils down to the quality of what is on offer in their bundle. People have commented that these are largely demos we are getting with little incentive to support fully until the finished product is available. The pc games market is over saturated so gamers can afford to support games/offers however they see fit. Again, it's neither right or wrong with what people choose to support it by giving because at the end of the day people will always argue one way or another.
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Just Buy The New Early Builds Bundle for a penny and you get all the coupons (including 10% off HB Monthly) with it:
https://www.humblebundle.com/mix-digital-preview-ticket
No Steam keys are promised, so you aren't missing out on anything by not paying a dollar.
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